**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 13 01:39:05 2011 Oct 13 01:39:05 * Now talking on #occupyboston Oct 13 01:39:05 * Topic for #occupyboston is: IRC channel for #occupyboston || OCCUPY BOSTON NEEDS SUPPORT, HELP US BUILD/MAINTAIN AFTER CRACKDOWN. || occupyboston.com | livestream.com/occupyboston | "Remember that justice and the struggle for justice is what love looks like in public" -- Dr. Cornel West, speaking at OB || Disclaimer: this is a peaceful, relatively unmoderated forum. Opinons expressed are not endorsed by OB. Oct 13 01:39:05 * Topic for #occupyboston set by lovecrime!~lovecrime@b-57-933-46-146.hsd0.ma.comcast.net at Tue Oct 11 19:14:48 2011 Oct 13 01:39:06 -crispusattucks- Welcome to #occupyboston. Please visit http://occupyboston.com for updates and http://www.livestream.com/occupyboston for the livestream. Oct 13 01:39:07 * occupyboston568 (~occupybos@690-29-58-81.bois.qwest.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 01:39:22 * boston99er (~boston99e@q-40-68-32-5.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 01:40:03 * roastedcoyote (~roastedco@cs7-ipx-76-28-02-305.fuse.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 01:40:40 * axb211 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) Oct 13 01:41:07 * boston99er has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 01:41:35 * solidstate (~solidstat@cvji-05-946-22-222.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 01:43:24 * MediaTent is now known as MediaTent_REL Oct 13 01:43:31 * ready1 (~ready1@99.64.wkm.vjw) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 01:44:06 * moonunitzappa has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 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Oct 13 01:51:36 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Drumming Meditation with Karl - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=czl1M2Vnb2hiNzB1cDRzMWRrcTloYmllODggOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 13 01:52:48 * OccupyBoston506 (~OccupyBos@f-93-29-073-033.hsd4.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 01:53:23 * solidstate has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 13 01:54:38 * OccupyBoston506 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 01:55:20 * OccupyBoston553 (~OccupyBos@j-02-773-98-382.hsd6.ca.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 01:55:22 I don't know what it is about a mic check that always makes me grin. Oct 13 01:55:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] PHOTOS: 10/10 #OccupyBoston Student and Labor March: BOSTON - Over 2000 #OccupyBoston participants and supporter... http://t.co/vJbcApVT - http://twitter.com/BostonDailyNews/statuses/124362161257586690 Oct 13 01:55:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @dogworldd: Protesters keeping warm by burning job applications #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/J_Holla/statuses/124362325582020608 Oct 13 01:55:36 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Discussion: Buddhism and Social Justice w/ Harvard Divinity School Grad Student Joe Hodgkin - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=ZWlidGNnZG5nMm9uYWxzNm5lYXBqbjZ2MmMgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 13 01:55:46 * MediaTent_REL is now known as MediaTent_PJA Oct 13 01:56:18 are you guys watching seatle? Oct 13 01:56:23 I am Oct 13 01:56:33 Looks mostly calm right now. Oct 13 01:56:44 now it does Oct 13 01:57:00 a few minutes ago, they were flipping out Oct 13 01:57:00 * OccupyBoston553 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 01:57:30 idk Oct 13 01:57:34 Yeah, and they just mentioned the bike cops trying to flank them. Though I'm not sure how one who is already surrounded gets flanked. Oct 13 01:58:05 i dont get that either Oct 13 01:58:18 they have really nice stream thoguh Oct 13 01:58:35 they have kiler weed there......paranoia? Oct 13 01:59:01 * moonunitzappa has quit (Quit: Leaving.) Oct 13 01:59:19 * SolidState (~solidstat@cvji-05-946-22-222.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 01:59:24 nice.. i always wanted to try that lemon skunk #1 Oct 13 01:59:27 * moonunitzappa (~meek@f-38-801-938-52.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 01:59:46 * moonunitzappa has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 02:00:01 * guest-en (~guest-en@60.53.uz.uwt) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 02:01:05 i like the way they do their camer Oct 13 02:01:42 Interesting. THe closest Occupy to me is streaming an anonymous video instead of the occupation. Oct 13 02:02:19 * moonunitzappa (~meek@f-38-801-938-52.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 02:02:39 bostongeorge: I'm looking forward to several strains I haven't tried this week. Trainwreck, Opium, and El Nino should all be dry by the weekend. 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Oct 13 02:07:58 * solidsta_ (~solidstat@cvji-05-946-22-222.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 02:09:08 :) Oct 13 02:09:17 Especially since I have to work harder not to get fat. THis shit makes me SOOOO hungry. Oct 13 02:09:38 are you watching seatle too Oct 13 02:12:27 * SolidState has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi) Oct 13 02:12:43 * spacechip_ (~spacechip@d-57-438-851-391.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 02:13:45 they say their city hall told police to stand down Oct 13 02:15:28 I think I'm going to go finish watching this movie. Shout if something gets interesting. Oct 13 02:15:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] corporate monopoly hmm, does public education constitute a monopoly semantics aside #occupy #educationnation #ows #occupyboston #baabaa - http://twitter.com/noyb100/statuses/124367036783669249 Oct 13 02:15:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Pls RT! VIDEO: Can humans "THRIVE"? http://t.co/64HTsAJk #OccupyWallStreet #OccupyLA #OccupyBoston #OccupySac #OccupyOakland #OccupySeattle - http://twitter.com/AmitaMetta/statuses/124367366552436736 Oct 13 02:18:11 * OccupyBoston037 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 02:31:52 * OccupyBoston581 (~OccupyBos@wjqb-93-139-45-23.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 02:32:05 * OccupyBoston581 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 02:34:20 * moonunitzappa has quit (Quit: Leaving.) Oct 13 02:35:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @USDayofRage: Noticed that there is a "recommend" panel open for comments on the Mayor's City of Boston FB profile. http://t.co/3Sr7J6SL #occupyBoston - http://twitter.com/astrablaze/statuses/124372303441174528 Oct 13 02:35:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @SageFrancis: Here's a video of my stroll through #OccupyBoston which I filmed 8 hours after the mass arrests: http://t.co/3MMPA6Sx #OWS #OccupyWallStreet - http://twitter.com/BSideBri/statuses/124372490465193984 Oct 13 02:36:21 * superjudgebunny has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 13 02:38:12 * superjudgebunny (~superjudg@382-91-764-69.client.mchsi.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 02:38:27 * Julian (~Julian@fbvg-317-4-518-61.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 02:38:51 * Kage has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 02:44:47 * Julian has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 02:49:21 * Meskk has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 02:55:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @GravityDynamic: #OccupyDenver We are the 99% http://t.co/9Fg7EHhv <-- GREAT poster #ows #occupyboston #occupychicago - http://twitter.com/co6dem/statuses/124377442013036544 Oct 13 02:55:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Need #help finding a credit union? #activist #change #bank #occupysandiego #chase #wellsfargo #bofa #occupyboston http://t.co/TDmIshdm - http://twitter.com/InsanelySane69/statuses/124377487311511553 Oct 13 02:56:18 * occupyapp228 (~occupyapp@f-38-801-938-52.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 02:56:36 * occupyapp228 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 03:00:43 * jdenver (~jdenver@crdd-18-230.nber.org) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 03:01:40 * OccupyBoston219 (~OccupyBos@byue-970-473.res.carleton.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 03:02:10 * OccupyBoston219 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 03:11:50 * solidsta_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 13 03:15:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @OccupyToronto: Boston Cops Brutally Arrest Over 100 Peaceful Protesters http://t.co/ocp7ypPi Oct 13 03:15:26 October 11, 2011 CURRENT TV Keith Olbermann Oct 13 03:15:27 #OccupyBoston - http://twitter.com/GuerrillaDaily/statuses/124382505410363392 Oct 13 03:15:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @racheljmcneill: @Occupy_Boston It was me, and it happened, and I am okay. In the video, I am holding the American flag: http://t.co/WqlClUDk. #OccupyBoston - http://twitter.com/moment_um/statuses/124382536917987328 Oct 13 03:16:42 * climatejusticenow (~climateju@fbvg-317-4-518-61.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 03:18:32 Anyone know how I can get in touch with the MediaTent directly. I was one of those arrested the other night, one of the handful that pled 'not guilty'. A woman named Ariel gave out her info, but I can't find it. Thanks. Oct 13 03:18:57 Also it Oct 13 03:19:32 * yman is now known as yman_zzzzz Oct 13 03:19:33 climatejusticenow: If you can't get back down there to go directly, just come in here now and again. They've been trying to keep a representative around when possible. Oct 13 03:19:51 * OccupyBoston063 (~OccupyBos@pp84-701-101-32.ri.ri.cox.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 03:19:56 * roastedcoyote has quit () Oct 13 03:20:09 rabble rabble rabble Oct 13 03:20:49 * SolidState (~solidstat@cvji-05-946-22-222.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 03:20:56 * OccupyBoston063 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 03:24:26 * jdenver has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 13 03:24:59 you still there climatejustice? Oct 13 03:26:34 Yeah I'm here. Oct 13 03:28:21 * unholycrap has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 03:28:25 we'll pm the contact info to you in a minute Oct 13 03:29:41 I was hoping to get some info on whether its worthwhile for me to keep the "not guilty" plea. I was told initially that all OB arrestees were going to be pleading that way, but of the fifty or so I saw yesterday morning, only 7 or so didn't take the 50 dollar deal. Oct 13 03:30:09 Also, I havem Oct 13 03:30:12 * siegfail (~AndChat@v676957h0.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 03:30:12 * OccupyBoston576 (~OccupyBos@899-7-81-658.c3-6.smr-ubr5.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 03:30:22 Media tent Oct 13 03:30:27 Media tent Oct 13 03:30:47 * OccupyBoston576 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 03:31:08 * SolidState has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi) Oct 13 03:31:28 BTW my name is Julian Taylor Evans and I should be on the list of those arrested. I was held at Hyde Park E 18 I believe. Oct 13 03:31:53 IT's probably worth putting some of the common questions in the topic. Contact info for the Lawyer's Guild and media tent, link to the wish list of supplies, link to the stream... Oct 13 03:32:56 What topic are you speaking of? Oct 13 03:33:07 The channel topic. Oct 13 03:33:13 /topic Oct 13 03:33:14 * OccupyBoston143 (~OccupyBos@m-71-545-415-71.hsd4.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 03:33:56 Its been since 'AOL 1000 free hours' floppies since I've been in a chatroom so I don't know any of the language. Apologies Oct 13 03:34:14 * Hope has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 03:34:29 climatejusticenow: No worries. The topic is the info that probably scrolled by when you first entered. Oct 13 03:34:40 YOu can see it by typing "/topic" Oct 13 03:35:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] "We're at the fire. Where the hell are you?" - @SageFrancis films his stroll through #OccupyBoston: http://t.co/MuE2ScOu #OWS #OccupyWallSt - http://twitter.com/SFRupdates/statuses/124387127751491584 Oct 13 03:35:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @SageFrancis: Here's a video of my stroll through #OccupyBoston which I filmed 8 hours after the mass arrests: http://t.co/3MMPA6Sx #OWS #OccupyWallStreet - http://twitter.com/sirpsirp/statuses/124387560272302080 Oct 13 03:38:53 MediaTent, can you please let me know how I can get in contact? Oct 13 03:45:31 Or would you mind just emailing me at juliantaylorevans@gmail.com or texting me at 857-719-7755 with Ariel's number and/or email. Thank you. Oct 13 03:55:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @racheljmcneill: @Occupy_Boston It was me, and it happened, and I am okay. In the video, I am holding the American flag: http://t.co/WqlClUDk. #OccupyBoston - http://twitter.com/thecorbeau/statuses/124391700771782656 Oct 13 03:55:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @TheDemocrats manifesto http://t.co/MkLWghnG @RNC manifesto http://t.co/pBUwSYCz | #wargames #baabaa #jag #ows #occupyboston #oinkoink - http://twitter.com/noyb100/statuses/124392322183081984 Oct 13 04:03:44 * guest-en has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 04:08:08 * OccupyBoston682 (~OccupyBos@g-52-991-409-906.hsd6.or.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 04:08:19 * OccupyBoston682 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 04:08:25 * OccupyBoston303 (~OccupyBos@g-52-991-409-906.hsd6.or.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 04:08:31 * OccupyBoston303 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 04:09:46 * Henrik (~tzyco@195.159.j.por) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 04:10:41 * TheRavenProject is now known as TRP|Hopefully_Asleep Oct 13 04:14:34 * seth (~seth@401-42-950-966-fwlgwpwc.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 04:15:01 hi folks Oct 13 04:15:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @NewYorker: Like its cousin on Wall Street, Occupy Boston a remarkably media-savvy operation: http://t.co/TOGaawrX #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/Star_Descendent/statuses/124396594262061056 Oct 13 04:15:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @AnonCorpWatch: The world is watching @Boston_police!! Boston PD 4th largest trending topic on @twitter #OccupyBoston #AnonCorpWatch - http://twitter.com/wornlimtv/statuses/124396900257509376 Oct 13 04:16:03 It must be getting cold up in Boston... Oct 13 04:16:10 * OccupyBoston908 (~OccupyBos@844-2-189-11.c3-6.arl-ubr5.sbo-arl.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 04:16:19 * OccupyBoston908 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 04:17:55 is anyone else in the chatroom with me? Oct 13 04:19:29 later, folks. Oct 13 04:19:35 * seth has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 04:30:53 * OccupyBoston743 (~OccupyBos@91.185.yz.nl) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 04:31:14 * OccupyBoston743 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 04:35:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @brookejarvis: "Civil disobedience will not be tolerated." -Boston Mayor Thomas Menino, missing some city history. #OccupyBoston #OWS - http://twitter.com/meglanker/statuses/124401970093105152 Oct 13 04:35:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Twitvid: Trending on @Twitvid RT @tcaputoon7 Here's a video of the 1st arrests at #occupyboston Police now say 129 ppl arrested http://t.co/C2bPJ1fF - http://twitter.com/leonsaintjust/statuses/124402016146571265 Oct 13 04:35:59 * JessyDrastic has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 04:43:57 * bostongeorge has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 04:43:57 * WilleDolla (~WilleDoll@47g0279u.bb.sky.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 04:46:08 * climatejusticenow has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 04:46:20 * climatejusticenow (~climateju@fbvg-317-4-518-61.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 04:47:57 * OccupyBoston858 (~OccupyBos@140.241.ouy.oxw) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 04:48:45 is there a medic on chat Oct 13 04:49:30 * WilleDolla has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 04:49:39 * WilleDolla (~WilleDoll@47g0279u.bb.sky.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 04:50:31 looking for the medics on chat Oct 13 04:51:39 * OccupyBoston858 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 04:51:53 * unholycrap (~Computer@606-51-259-245.net.bhntampa.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 04:53:52 * superjudgebunny has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 04:54:36 * superjudgebunny (~superjudg@382-91-764-69.client.mchsi.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 04:55:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @PhilipEtienne: Spectacular! Finally something I can mobilize for RT @robzidar #occupyboston http://t.co/JE5YyYJ4 - http://twitter.com/Nils1975/statuses/124406152858583040 Oct 13 04:55:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @ZeeScarlet: #occupyseattle Boston could LEARN from Seattle cops. Not every conflict is solved at the end of a baton. #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/DekTag/statuses/124406961633628161 Oct 13 04:58:47 * WilleDolla has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 05:00:02 * Matt (~Matt@048-012-021-594.c3-6.wtr-ubr5.sbo-wtr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 05:03:31 * Matt has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 05:14:47 contact OUTREACH@GLOBALREVOLUTION.TV SOON Oct 13 05:25:21 * jones has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 05:26:42 * jones (~jones@76.164.rsi.tjz) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 05:27:32 * OccupyBoston228 (~OccupyBos@m-88-86-86-173.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 05:27:55 * OccupyBoston228 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 05:33:09 * OccupyBoston143 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 05:35:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] "We are the 99%" is just a #bumpah #sticka ! Idle youth & washedup 60s #hippies have done nothing but debase themselves. #occupyboston #tcot - http://twitter.com/LtRav3nw00d/statuses/124415913574412288 Oct 13 05:35:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] more #anti-semitism from #occupywallstreet http://t.co/xE4rMREf #jews #jewish #ows #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/jeffkatzshow/statuses/124417740135084032 Oct 13 05:39:17 * jones has quit (Quit: jones) Oct 13 05:39:55 * jones (~jones@76.164.rsi.tjz) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 05:43:33 * OccupyBoston168 (~OccupyBos@8yjr6484.dynamic.mv.ru) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 05:44:51 * OccupyBoston168 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 05:47:05 * Kt is now known as Kt|Away Oct 13 05:47:30 * OccupyBoston897 (~OccupyBos@klpu-60-36-482-811.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 05:49:56 * MediaTent_PJA has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 13 05:55:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @The__Forest: Stay Strong #OWS Don't Let The Various Interests Dilute The Protest! #OccupyBoston #OccupyCleveland #OccupyNOLA #OccupyLA #OccupySF #USDOR - http://twitter.com/Ron_Woodward/statuses/124422490482147328 Oct 13 05:55:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #jvennochi thinks Kennedys would approve of protests My #Opinion too but #StayonDewey #occupyboston http://t.co/NsPn5VrW via @BostonGlobe - http://twitter.com/judymeredith/statuses/124422529900216320 Oct 13 05:55:40 * OccupyBoston731 (~OccupyBos@72-83-07-38.war.clearwire-wmx.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 05:55:53 * maisybaisy (~maisybais@18.95.060.27.dyn.plus.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 05:55:56 * OccupyBoston731 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 05:56:20 * OccupyBoston375 (~OccupyBos@140.241.ouy.oxw) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 05:57:51 hello Oct 13 05:58:43 * OccupyBoston375 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 06:00:58 * Kage (~jad@jkg-54-28-927-404.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 06:08:09 * climatejusticenow has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 06:11:06 * OccupyBoston897 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 06:11:10 * OccupyBoston714 (~OccupyBos@klpu-60-36-482-811.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 06:11:24 * jones has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 13 06:13:12 * jones (~jones@76.164.rsi.tjz) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 06:15:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Audio: #OccupyBoston General Assembly discusses Monday's mass arrests, #ows http://t.co/MFL2qGPA - http://twitter.com/jcberg/statuses/124427547214753792 Oct 13 06:15:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @BrandonTXNeely Occupy Des Moines 1st night..37 arrested http://t.co/zWVHPuoF #occupywallstreet #occupyhouston #occupyboston @JustinNorman - http://twitter.com/BrandonTXNeely/statuses/124427829067788288 Oct 13 06:20:58 * Kage has quit (Quit: -=SysReset 2.55=-) Oct 13 06:25:59 * OccupyBoston714 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 06:33:27 * ooride has quit () Oct 13 06:35:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Labor unions plan massive show of support in solidarity with #OccupyBoston on Thursday http://t.co/O8FwW8HF - http://twitter.com/2012revolution/statuses/124432752115322881 Oct 13 06:35:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Countdown: #OccupyBoston clashes with cops while #OccupyWallStreet marches on millionaires: http://t.co/QUKtpNbK - http://twitter.com/ANationOfSheep/statuses/124432832201359360 Oct 13 06:39:20 * WilleDolla (~WilleDoll@47g0279u.bb.sky.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 06:39:40 * Dittothat (~Dittothat@651-0-39-687.c5-9.abr-ubr1.sbo-abr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 06:40:51 * Dittothat (~Dittothat@651-0-39-687.c5-9.abr-ubr1.sbo-abr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has left #occupyboston Oct 13 06:41:33 * AP (~AP@dccz-79-10-256-267.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 06:41:58 * AP has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 06:42:09 * OccupyBoston087 (~OccupyBos@e-04-515-27-499.hsd4.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 06:42:24 * OccupyBoston087 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 06:46:09 * maisybaisy (~maisybais@18.95.060.27.dyn.plus.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 13 06:46:27 * ooride (~0_0@nl39-390-49-726.oc.oc.cox.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 06:51:37 * OccupyBoston700 (~OccupyBos@s-33-477-808-46.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 06:52:07 * OccupyBoston700 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 06:55:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #OccupyBoston protests could cost city $2 million in police overtime http://t.co/QOFTvjFy - http://twitter.com/fox25news/statuses/124437567864184832 Oct 13 06:55:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Photo: Closer view of legal tent: matthewglidden posted a photo: For the record, I didn't ask... http://t.co/Mp7eUtmL #occupyBoston #ows - http://twitter.com/OccupyPics/statuses/124437593877254144 Oct 13 06:55:35 * WilleDolla has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 07:12:09 * ZanzibarMan (~ZanzibarM@ezry-951-59-26-71.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 07:12:28 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1__Plrec0Nq9EhcU0nydGMZv4_8IqYZucAcM6IFX6Qfg/edit?hl=en_US Oct 13 07:12:38 * ZanzibarMan has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 07:15:24 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @MrTommyLand Tommy have you been at #OccupyBoston?? If so, would you consider joining us at #OccupyProvidence on Sat??? - http://twitter.com/Chrissyisms/statuses/124442951563739137 Oct 13 07:20:56 * Pling (~Pling@siyn-520-406-106-468.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 07:22:01 * OccupyBoston172 (~OccupyBos@4.36.xtl.ymk) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 07:22:01 * Tracy_camp has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 13 07:22:22 * OccupyBoston172 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 07:22:56 * Pling has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 07:23:27 * TarenCapel (~TarenCape@108.117.y.mll) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 07:35:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @NewAmercnClasic: You can't be neutral on a moving train #ows #occupyportland #occupytogether #occupyearth #occupy #occupyla #occupydc #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/Hal4/statuses/124447650580930560 Oct 13 07:35:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #occupyboston start calling the mayor BPD EVANS MUST GO STOP POLICE BRUTALITY 617-635 4500 - http://twitter.com/rocky69rhodes/statuses/124447921168060416 Oct 13 07:35:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @occupycapecod: @Occupy_Boston Rally 4pm Fri Village Green Hyannis can you send some follower to help get the ball rolling? thanks 4 ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124447713420001280 Oct 13 07:35:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Welcome, @occupycapecod ! - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124447791517941760 Oct 13 07:38:10 * MediaTent (~MediaTent@50.12.rzo.ju) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 07:38:10 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to MediaTent Oct 13 07:38:14 * MediaTent1 (~MediaTent@50.12.rzo.ju) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 07:38:17 MediaTent wb Oct 13 07:38:25 crispusattucks always a pleasure. Oct 13 07:38:26 :) Oct 13 07:38:34 * MediaTent is now known as MediaTent_Cyris Oct 13 07:38:37 hey all Oct 13 07:38:58 TarenCapel, crispus is a bot :) Oct 13 07:39:12 I know. :D Oct 13 07:39:17 Bots are ppl too. Oct 13 07:39:18 :) Oct 13 07:39:19 oh ok Oct 13 07:39:21 hahaha Oct 13 07:39:43 I'm services admin over on the Iranserv network, Oct 13 07:40:07 I am trying to help out bringing advise and support from the ME freedom ops, OpIran etc. Oct 13 07:40:08 TarenCapel, nice Oct 13 07:40:34 while we're "alone" in a quiet chan - you chaps should order hay bales for camp. Oct 13 07:40:49 the wind off the water, if I recall, will be brutal come november in your spot. Oct 13 07:41:46 what are hay bales, i am not familiar Oct 13 07:42:01 i would google but this comp i have sucks hahaha Oct 13 07:43:21 * siegfail has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 07:43:25 oh - you know, straw bales. uhm, big blocks of grass from farms. Oct 13 07:43:47 a 1 metre wind block on your east side should cut down on the wind, Oct 13 07:44:08 I have looked at the view of the Dewey's square occupation, may need a second wall as well Oct 13 07:44:18 they are cheap, but should be on your list of donations. Oct 13 07:44:46 your wind chill on an average day in December can drop your temp 20 degrees, and bring saline mist off the harbour. Oct 13 07:45:12 * Tracywork (~yaaic@907-985-933-442.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 07:45:17 Hi Oct 13 07:45:55 93 is a parking lot Oct 13 07:48:32 hi Tracywork. Oct 13 07:48:38 amazing what a little rain can do ye? Oct 13 07:49:11 * OccupyBoston502 (~OccupyBos@m-76-002-451-43.hsd4.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 07:49:15 I am eating breakfast and chatting. That is how slow it is Oct 13 07:50:31 Hi, I have a farm outside of Boston and I was going to try to bring in some vegetables and get some other farmers to donate vegetables. Can you guys cook things like kale and beets? Or do you only want ready to eat foods? Oct 13 07:50:53 TarenCapel, that is a great idea Oct 13 07:51:08 OccupyBoston502 - we were just talking about hay bales for camp - do you know any sources nearby? Oct 13 07:51:22 how many? Oct 13 07:51:30 They're going to need protection from the wind. Tarir did something similar with tarp walls for night time breeze Oct 13 07:51:38 to keep children and elders out of the wind. Oct 13 07:51:40 502 yes we can Oct 13 07:51:53 any donations are very welcome and thank you :0 Oct 13 07:52:25 Great Oct 13 07:52:35 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Gentle Yoga and Meditation with Laura - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=MTkwN2VkMzllN2U0dHIyYWxndDducHU0YTQgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 13 07:53:04 How is the camp handling this rain? Oct 13 07:54:17 Cyris, do you ever sleep? Oct 13 07:54:27 Tracywork, well i walked around camp last night and help people reinforce their camp.... so it is pretty good Oct 13 07:54:46 * OccupyBoston109 (~OccupyBos@96.237.hk.in) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 07:54:47 You need to sleep though Oct 13 07:54:51 Tracywork, in the past 4 days i have slept 8 hours i tihnk Oct 13 07:55:10 but that is between the cops, the court, and the wind and rain stuff Oct 13 07:55:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] rocky69rhodesdavid millette @fox25news start calling the mayor BPD EVANS MUST GO STOP POLICE BRUTALITY 617-635 4500 #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/rocky69rhodes/statuses/124452769242431488 Oct 13 07:55:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Bankers' Salaries vs. Everyone else http://t.co/8SXAtV0H #occupyboston #ows #occupytogether - http://twitter.com/KevinAMaley/statuses/124452987564343297 Oct 13 07:55:48 Tracywork, i will sleep at my house tonight Oct 13 07:56:52 * OccupyBoston502 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 07:59:14 * OccupyBoston109 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 08:00:48 * OccupyBoston925 (~OccupyBos@qxsa-812-91-77-583.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 08:01:41 * OccupyBoston925 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 08:02:37 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Civil Disobedience Training - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=ZDJrcGdkNDdsYmI2YWxlZ21pdHVzbm1tOXMgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 13 08:02:38 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Civil Disobedience Training - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=Y2dsZjZraXRiNTJ1Y281cHJyNDFra200MzAgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 13 08:08:21 * MediaTent1 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 08:08:42 * MediaTent_Cyris has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 13 08:15:11 * JD_PGH (~Storm@cath-90-90-545-595.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 13 08:15:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @Toucherandrich Hilarious. These #occupyboston people are so dumb it's sickening. - http://twitter.com/TheColonel27/statuses/124457947748237312 Oct 13 08:15:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @fox25news Ross was right-YOU DO OWE IT TO YOUR VIEWERS to report #occupyboston fairly. Also, VB, be honest. You'd really eat that hotdog. - http://twitter.com/randallme/statuses/124458017868615680 Oct 13 08:16:48 Who had the remark yesterday that #OccupyBoston was going to cost the BPD 2 million $US this month? Oct 13 08:16:56 * harveysgh8 (~harveysgh@f-67-072-552-052.cpe.metrocast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 08:17:01 * OccupyBoston966 (~OccupyBos@479-498-961-405.c6-3.wtr-ubr9.sbo-wtr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 08:17:16 I had posted a link last night to the police road detail overtime costs for massachusetts, Oct 13 08:17:21 I don't know if anyone got it. Oct 13 08:19:48 in 2003, MA paid over $130 million for police to do road and construction detail, mostly in overtime. So comparing #OccupyBoston costing taxpayers (supposedly) $2 million, is at best, quite ridiculous. Oct 13 08:20:00 * OccupyBoston966 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 08:20:09 * Isis (~Isis@479-498-961-405.c6-3.wtr-ubr9.sbo-wtr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 08:20:13 anyway. I'll bbl, I am on a tether and don't want to hand out partial IPs since this network doesnt properly hostmask it would seem. Oct 13 08:20:20 Isis !! <3 how are you. Oct 13 08:20:24 anyway back in 4 or so. Oct 13 08:20:26 :) Oct 13 08:21:23 * TarenCapel has quit (Quit: TarenCapel) Oct 13 08:21:43 * JessyDrastic (~pjirc@cnpg.lmboston.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 08:22:53 * solidstate (~solidstat@cvji-05-946-22-222.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 08:23:22 * Isis has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 08:23:40 * Joanna (~Joanna@479-498-961-405.c6-3.wtr-ubr9.sbo-wtr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 08:24:28 * Joanna has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 08:24:29 * gene (~gene@m-61-872-791-771.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 08:24:31 * Joanna (~Joanna@479-498-961-405.c6-3.wtr-ubr9.sbo-wtr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 08:25:21 * rydyc has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 08:26:27 * marxistvegan (~marxistve@awqw-124-7-71-492.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 08:26:49 any John Zorn fans? Oct 13 08:27:06 Good morning Occupy Oct 13 08:27:22 Hi Marxist Oct 13 08:27:48 Hi Tracywork Oct 13 08:28:24 * spacechip_ has quit (Quit: spacechip_) Oct 13 08:28:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @T2L_SickBeard: @occupy_boston Notice: Come take off your wet clothes, enjoy some hot cocoa and pastries in my tent. #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124459096895262720 Oct 13 08:28:39 Oatmeal is great when the weather is like this. Oct 13 08:29:38 Supposed to clear up in time for the rally. Oct 13 08:30:59 * Tracywork has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 13 08:31:03 * OccupyBoston263 (~OccupyBos@qusjt5.loomiverse.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 08:31:22 * OccupyBoston550 (~OccupyBos@t-02-29-53-928.hsd4.ct.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 08:33:28 hows the camp in the rain? Oct 13 08:35:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @PantsAroundTown: Heavy rain in Boston today. If you are in a waterproof, weatherproof tent with a company logo #occupyboston then you must be a hypocrite. - http://twitter.com/Wickedsmaaaht/statuses/124462758325526528 Oct 13 08:35:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #OccupyBoston http://t.co/i0pwWtLO - http://twitter.com/san11793/statuses/124463099876085760 Oct 13 08:37:50 * Shidash has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 13 08:39:37 * harveysgh8 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 08:40:50 * OccupyBoston550 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 08:45:36 * Tracywork (~yaaic@184.243.ytx.pp) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 08:46:24 * harveysgh8 (~harveysgh@f-67-072-552-052.cpe.metrocast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 08:46:45 * OccupyBoston669 (~OccupyBos@209.6.s.vj) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 08:46:54 Any Johm Zorn fans? Oct 13 08:47:00 * OccupyBoston669 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 08:48:54 Big Business is killing the small business throughout the country. The have been appointed to Boards of Trusties of Most Univ. throught the country. Oct 13 08:50:42 They direct all major construction projects to a select few union outfits. Price no matter , I mean local Univ. Oct 13 08:50:43 harveysgh8: very valid point have you read "how the university works" and "Academic Capitalism"? Oct 13 08:51:13 Ones that you are attend Oct 13 08:51:18 harveysgh8: union construction work is not the problem Oct 13 08:51:57 Is there any union construction work left? Oct 13 08:53:16 Tracywork: there is at some public universities I know that under mitt romney there was a new dorm put up at UMass that was non-union received many protests by students but then after the unions won the contracts Oct 13 08:55:02 * OccupyBoston218 (~OccupyBos@mpcu-09-417-966-098.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 08:55:09 * PseudoMe02 (~PseudoMe0@198.144.gzk.jiw) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 08:55:23 I think it is appropriate for this movement to be discussing health care and free education. I think we are the only developed country that does not offer free public education. Not sure though. Oct 13 08:55:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @BostonPhoenix: This Is What Democracy Looks Like: The Future of #OccupyBoston http://t.co/KYZXgixw - http://twitter.com/lizpelly/statuses/124467690042691584 Oct 13 08:55:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] autographed hippiefest poster -oct. 12, 2011 boston: Protest Photos1 posted a photo:... http://t.co/nMAKtv3k #occupyBoston #p2 #tcot #ows - http://twitter.com/OccupyPics/statuses/124467729041330176 Oct 13 08:55:33 The boards make the final choice and they are on them. I live it Im a Demo/Abatement company owner who has been forced out of Boston then Waltham as the base of work getts smaller the Union drives up the costs of the projects they have ...this comes with a cost the cost is all the little projects the small non union outfits did are gone the money is not there due to higer costs and delays Oct 13 08:55:53 * OccupyBoston192 (~OccupyBos@144.212.x.k) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 08:55:59 * OccupyBoston192 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 08:57:21 stay dry in the rain Oct 13 08:57:24 I 46 yo spent @% years building myself then my business and have watched be taken a little at a time by the $$$$ doesnt matter boards that run our citys and Univ. Oct 13 08:58:13 harveysgh8: I am sorry to hear that but do you let your workers democratically decided the conditions of their work? Oct 13 08:58:17 * OccupyBoston669 (~OccupyBos@209.6.nqz.yox) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 08:58:51 greetings peeps Oct 13 08:58:53 harveysgh8: I say that cause you may be a small operation but I now small demolition operations that are 5 people and union they seem to do fine Oct 13 08:58:58 how come the website is not getting updated?? The GA minutes aren't updating either. Oct 13 08:59:02 Morning PseudoMe02 Oct 13 08:59:17 * OccupyBoston336 (~OccupyBos@g-95-2-286-41.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 08:59:30 up all night .. marxist? lol Oct 13 08:59:43 OccupyBoston669 last's nights GA I believe went very late and long give it a little time when the camp wakes up I'll try to check in Oct 13 08:59:50 The work conditions a regulated by the state Im a regulated business all is apples to apples . Pay Bennies Health all same the have are requiered by loaw to be so Oct 13 08:59:55 PseudoMe02: :) not quite Oct 13 09:00:08 harveysgh8: that wasn't my question Oct 13 09:00:29 harveysgh8: my question is do you let your workers make decisions about the working conditions democratically Oct 13 09:00:31 the latest minutes online are from 10/10 Oct 13 09:00:36 I'm trying my best to come up this afternoon and stay late at a minimum Oct 13 09:00:57 dying to get in on the front line Oct 13 09:01:04 PseudoMe02: I am hoping this rain clears up for the march turnout Oct 13 09:01:16 what time is the march? Oct 13 09:01:23 * Meskk (~mulee@84-704-34-375.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 09:01:38 PseudoMe02: I am checking http://occupyboston.com/calendar/ Oct 13 09:01:43 Only 7% of private workers are unionized and the unions are not really democratic. We need to increase the number of private sector workers that are in unions so the unions can be more democratic Oct 13 09:01:56 the rain should slow this afternoon...but not end Oct 13 09:02:41 Tracywork: agreed! I am just playing devils advocate to harveysgh8 Oct 13 09:03:01 PseudoMe02: actually here is the info I found http://www.massjwj.net/content/jwj-supports-occupy-boston Oct 13 09:03:32 I checked the calendar but didn't see the march Oct 13 09:03:37 is the concert at 1 pm still happening Oct 13 09:03:41 Is there a labor working group? Oct 13 09:03:58 no probs... I'll play it by ear when I get there Oct 13 09:04:13 Tracywork: yes they meet every wendesday at I believe now 4pm but was 3:30 yesterday Oct 13 09:04:28 PseudoMe02: did you see the link I sent from massjwj? Oct 13 09:04:32 This what the media is talking about . I was trying to show you that there is a large portion of 40-50 yo people who would come out if you would sharpen the message . The Media is killing you guys because of that devils advocate stuff. I was trying to give yu serious points for you message explain what is going on with the construction world Oct 13 09:04:51 Can't make it. I work. Maybe I can meet them at night. Oct 13 09:04:56 * OccupyBoston213 (~OccupyBos@115.174.ovo.kt) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 09:05:10 marxist: calling it up now Oct 13 09:05:16 Get out at four :( Oct 13 09:05:23 * OccupyBoston336 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 09:05:43 support from China, for brave and free american people! Oct 13 09:05:44 harveysgh8: occupyboston doesn't give into the way the mainstream media relays the actions we encourage all to come to the occupation to see it for themselves Oct 13 09:06:04 March is at 5:30 ... I should be in town Oct 13 09:06:11 Tracywork: it likely goes longer and people were still joining it til 4:30ish Oct 13 09:06:34 1000s of us are fighting for our lives our business base is benig forced to by the boards to give the work to the 1percent Oct 13 09:06:43 * OccupyBoston218 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 09:06:44 schedule juggling is pestersome ;( Oct 13 09:06:57 There was an Ayn Rand,worshipper, Ron Paul supporter representing OWS on Fox business. That can't be. Oct 13 09:08:16 You dont get it ...... The lack of a focal point keeping people away Oct 13 09:08:27 harveysgh8: I understand your criticism but giving work to union contractors is not the 1% as Tracywork said private sector unions is only 7% and the union contracts you are talking about are public sector colleges which yes they have 1 board member that is union but there are numerous more that are not in support of unions Oct 13 09:08:37 harveysgh8: have you been to occupy? Oct 13 09:09:15 is anyone at occupy on this? Oct 13 09:09:39 I was trying to read the GA minutes to see what current donations are needed Oct 13 09:09:50 * OccupyBoston911 (~OccupyBos@g-95-36-38-762.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 09:10:05 harveysgh8: you cannot expect 2 weeks of organizing to result in clear demands when the occupy protest is still growing and there are numerous different view points the clear thing is the top 1% are treated and protected by the system and the bottom 99% are not Oct 13 09:10:09 * calliope (~calliecha@50.12.ujx.ujy) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 09:10:11 can someone tell me if there will be a livestream of mass afl-cio presdient at 10am? Oct 13 09:10:23 The Owers of those companys are the 1 percent Oct 13 09:10:34 * cck (~calliecha@50.12.ujx.ujy) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 09:10:37 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @WannaBFanboy: My mother's union (IBEW Local 2222), the sole reason why I still have full health insurance coverage, is heading to @O ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124471050389041153 Oct 13 09:10:37 John Carlos is coming tomorrow. Oct 13 09:10:40 harveysgh8: keeping people away is a false statement more and more people have been joining and continue to join and visit occupy Oct 13 09:11:18 * OccupyBoston082 (~OccupyBos@81.31.hrw.zn) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 09:11:18 harveysgh8: there are now plans for an occupyNewBedford, occupyHyannis, OccupyAlbany, OccupyWorcester those are signs of it growing Oct 13 09:11:34 the perception is people are hesitating ... and some are ....but change is not instantenous ...bummer at the least Oct 13 09:11:47 Tracywork: I heard he is speaking at Northeastern Univ I wonder if he will go to OccupyBoston Oct 13 09:12:16 Fall River is trying to get it's act together ....to join the movement Oct 13 09:12:25 I got an email from act/ma that he is. Oct 13 09:12:39 harveysgh8: I am not denying that the owners of capital are the 1% but the workers are not Oct 13 09:12:49 PseudoMe02: that awesome! Oct 13 09:12:50 * OccupyBoston082 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 09:13:19 I'm coming up today with another key person in starting a chapter in Fall River Oct 13 09:13:53 harveysgh8: I am all for smaller business but my preference is the workers running it not the owners...think about making it a worker run cooperative otherwise we have the same exact problem repeat itself Oct 13 09:13:56 * solidstate has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 13 09:13:58 we have basic plans and want to get a good sense of finalizing Oct 13 09:14:33 PseudoMe02: that's great you will gain a tremendous amount of perspective Oct 13 09:14:40 there is a very old radical intellectual core here.. Oct 13 09:14:57 who really are biting att the bit Oct 13 09:14:59 Detroit is rebuilding. Sustainable businesses and cooperatives. Oct 13 09:15:07 * OccupyBoston213 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 09:15:15 harveysgh8: all I am saying is you should come to occupyboston see it for yourself voice your concerns there Oct 13 09:15:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @Occupy_Boston please rt this for us we did this skit Saturday at #occupyboston http://t.co/1nTH1Raz - http://twitter.com/StndUpFightBack/statuses/124473116167651329 Oct 13 09:15:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @7WhiteRabbits: RT @universalhub: ACLU: Police have some explaining to do http://t.co/CDpqwRFc #OccupyBoston #ows - http://twitter.com/meowrz/statuses/124473158483976193 Oct 13 09:15:33 those old hippies ... lol Oct 13 09:15:58 * OccupyBoston015 (~OccupyBos@46-618-51-542-zaviouzowh.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 09:16:12 Tracywork: I've heard I think cooperatives might be the best model to build that can create the conditions that benefit the present and future Oct 13 09:16:16 Its not about the workers its about the owners drying up the work pool by forcing the projects into the red .The guy at the top gets richer and richer the end result is that the cost out runs the work and the the workers are laid off . all connected Oct 13 09:16:42 Tracywork: have you ever heard of Mondragon in Spain? Oct 13 09:16:43 Providence is trying to build some communication links ...heard them on National Radio asking Thom Hartmann for some advice Oct 13 09:17:12 We are maintaining the camp ourselves. We recycle and it is the cleanest place in Boston. Oct 13 09:17:15 harveysgh8: again this is me personally but it is always about the workers Oct 13 09:17:28 The way things are done is killing the balance of small business and big business Oct 13 09:17:43 * PseudoMe02 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 09:18:00 No, but I just googled it :) Oct 13 09:18:02 harveysgh8: I agree but placing blame on the unions is a diversion Oct 13 09:18:04 If there is no work because of the way the things are done ..... no workers Oct 13 09:18:29 Its the owners NOT the Unions or The workers Oct 13 09:18:44 * PseudoMe02 (~PseudoMe0@198.144.gzk.jiw) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 09:19:18 THE OWNERS are part of the 1 PERCENT Oct 13 09:19:22 the 1% are quite comfortable with destroying small businesses Oct 13 09:19:27 harveysgh8: are you an owner? Oct 13 09:19:35 YES Oct 13 09:19:45 harveysgh8: then are you saying you are the 1%? Oct 13 09:19:54 No i Oct 13 09:19:58 Marxist, we have to meet when we are at camp. Oct 13 09:20:05 * ghostincubicle (~ghostincu@yriqjl-12-254-45-575.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 09:20:14 Tracywork: I'd be happy to :) Oct 13 09:20:22 NO Im a small business owner being KILLED by the 1 percent Oct 13 09:20:28 * OccupyBoston669 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 09:20:30 hey.. don't forget me ..you two Oct 13 09:21:31 * OccupyBoston436 (~OccupyBos@pvji-23-031-012-23.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 09:21:34 and that question is what the media is talking about ..... You make us on the fence people wonder what your trying to do Oct 13 09:21:48 harveysgh8: what i am pointing out is the contradiction here, and on political economic terms as I personally am arguing and this does not represent occupyboston's view but any owner who is not actively seeking to create democracy in their work place is only going to recreate the big business model that is being pointed as the problem there is no accountability without any democracy Oct 13 09:22:06 the movement is moving forward very cautiously Oct 13 09:22:38 * OccupyBoston436 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 09:22:46 * OccupyBoston824 (~OccupyBos@klpu-60-36-482-811.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 09:23:07 harveysgh8: I am stating personal opinion but sitting on the fence leads to splinters step in and see what it is Oct 13 09:23:12 the onlookers desire immediate answers ..and do not understand the ways of "real" change Oct 13 09:23:14 * OccupyBoston664 (~OccupyBos@qxnv-31-878-218-226.prvdri.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 09:23:23 Goodmorning Boston Oct 13 09:23:27 morning Oct 13 09:23:31 I wasnt on the fence till I came here Oct 13 09:23:40 Guten Morgan Oct 13 09:24:29 Trenton New Jersey reports state police are going to remove them. Oct 13 09:24:40 harveysgh8: well I encourage you to take another step here is a place for more hyperactivism and political discussions, visit the websites listed as you enter here and as all have said come visit we don't bite Oct 13 09:25:09 OccupyBoston664 can you provide context and a link? Oct 13 09:26:34 I was trying to get a march of small business owners to show that this isnt a buch of POT SMOKING lazy people as the MEDIA is putting out there . with Oct 13 09:26:57 harveysgh8: if that is you perception of occupyboston you are dead wrong Oct 13 09:27:08 the opposition to the movement will continue to work on ways to disrupt and discredit the movement ... it is historical ... we must outthink them not out violence them Oct 13 09:27:12 NOT me you dont listen Oct 13 09:27:23 The media Oct 13 09:27:59 harveysgh8: unplug the media for 1 second and read from occupyboston there are many many different views even the ones we are having here Oct 13 09:28:36 harveysgh8: I have said numerous times these are my opinions I am not the movement Oct 13 09:29:30 the art of non-resistance to overcome force takes a little time to understand Oct 13 09:30:00 http://www.livestream.com/occupynj_statehouse Oct 13 09:30:05 harveysgh8: if you want to stay on the sideline then do so but don't demagogue the movement into something that the media who after 2 weeks decided to cover go to occupyboston.com read what is happening Oct 13 09:30:23 I give I only to offer my help .... i came to wrong blog Oct 13 09:30:35 * ooride has quit () Oct 13 09:30:53 * Meskk is now known as meskk Oct 13 09:31:33 marxistvegan: not all are won over in the beginning Oct 13 09:31:39 harveysgh8: you are using me as the voice of occupyboston and I am not I am a single voice amongst many there are many libertarian small government small business types but the longer you sit out the longer that view is not expressed Oct 13 09:31:44 * OccupyBoston949 (~OccupyBos@c-30-996-81-174.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 09:31:46 Hey - I have a load of shitty lumber and , some beat-up resin chairs, a small table and a few other scrummy odds and ends. Useful, but not critical. it'll take about 20 people to unload it quickly. Should I wait until it stops raining or head down there with it? If I wait I'll spend the day looking for even more junk and come down later when it's cleared up some. Opinions? Oct 13 09:31:49 You need us 40-50s to help you we are here and are already won over\ Oct 13 09:31:54 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @MariRam13: It doesn't seem fair at all that the students arrested at @Occupy_Boston could also get disciplinary sanctions #BU http:/ ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124476677601492992 Oct 13 09:31:55 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @EBagsLOLZ thanks!! Check with @oblogistics; they will give you a good list. Also, any food and water is much needed. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124476882644250625 Oct 13 09:32:23 harveysgh8: great come to the occupation if boston is too far then find ones closer to you there is space for everyone Oct 13 09:32:31 * OccupyBoston949 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 09:32:38 We just want the message to be more clear. without all support the copsare going to move you Oct 13 09:32:49 certainly ..harvery ...but all answers aren't available Oct 13 09:33:01 * OccupyBoston664 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 09:33:07 the movement is forming and building ..why not visit and see? Oct 13 09:33:34 harveysgh8: what we have right now is daily general assemblies all democratically run discussions and decisions open to anyone that comes in it is very easy to join in Oct 13 09:33:41 * OccupyBoston868 (~OccupyBos@305-874-800-92.c0-9.nwt-ubr1.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 09:33:52 I came here ready willing and able to help I was trying to give information on real world stuff that I hav been effected by at brandeis bu bc babson Oct 13 09:33:54 * evegirl (~evegirl@p-52-096-499-538.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 09:33:57 * BigWhopper99 (~BigWhoppe@lsdb-48-104-05-234.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 09:33:58 harveysgh8: you can start your own working groups for small businesses and discuss proposals to bring to GA Oct 13 09:34:00 the message is being formed daily ... at the General Assembly ..by the people Oct 13 09:34:13 I guess Badiou would say we are the "body". Oct 13 09:34:21 haste makes waste ... old saying you should fully understand Oct 13 09:34:51 harveysgh8: I would suggest coming to occupyboston to share that as there are so many discussions on here it is very hard to get that to the GAs Oct 13 09:35:09 You dont dont get the 1percent will end this if we dont get more diverse support Oct 13 09:35:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @USDayofRage: Contact the ACLU if you were arrested at #occupyboston Send details of your arrest to info@aclum.org They are taking an interest in BostonPD - http://twitter.com/kittylight/statuses/124478071909789696 Oct 13 09:35:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @7WhiteRabbits Can you provide the names of the lawyers doing the "disobedience training? "#occupyboston - http://twitter.com/resistoccupy/statuses/124478147726016512 Oct 13 09:35:40 They run the media Oct 13 09:36:07 Harvey, group is diverse Oct 13 09:36:07 And sadly most people are run by the media Oct 13 09:36:11 harveysgh8: we all agree which is why we don't rely on the media for the message Oct 13 09:36:12 the don't control the net entirely Oct 13 09:36:33 Watch Democraxy Now Oct 13 09:36:37 harveysgh8: there is openmediaboston.org a great source on what is happening Oct 13 09:36:38 Democracy Oct 13 09:36:47 But those who do see the same thing night after night Oct 13 09:36:56 * olypeep (~olypeep@190-78-571-571.tukw.qwest.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 09:36:57 nations all over the world are using the net to connect and then amplify locally Oct 13 09:37:14 * OccupyBoston868 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 09:37:20 harveysgh8: we cannot control that seriously before passing judgement come to the occupyboston we don't bite and invite all Oct 13 09:37:31 past movements did not have this medium to help connect the dots Oct 13 09:38:08 PseudoMe02: well said Oct 13 09:38:09 Once more - I have a van load of useful but non-critical stuff. It'll take 20 people to unload, but doing it in the rain will suck. If I come down will the unloaders be there or should I wait until the weather clears? Oct 13 09:38:28 age has it benefits .. marxist ..lol Oct 13 09:38:43 OccupyBoston824 there are always people there willing to help Oct 13 09:39:05 Gonna take at least a dozen Oct 13 09:39:08 OccupyBoston824 Logistics it the place to drop things off Oct 13 09:39:12 824, contact logistics Oct 13 09:39:19 OccupyBoston24 what do you have? Oct 13 09:39:21 got a number? Oct 13 09:39:24 Thank you..... The one thing that all of the world protests had in common was the strong presence of the Middle Class . 40s- up Oct 13 09:39:29 * CYA (~CYA@t-09-566-000-415.hsd4.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 09:39:40 in time .. they will assail the net too ... but hopefully they will be late Oct 13 09:39:40 Used lumber and chairs, mostly Oct 13 09:39:47 Give 824 logistics contact info Oct 13 09:40:02 harveysgh8: just to note though the media covers how young occupyboston is there are many many middle age and seniors there too Oct 13 09:40:09 http://www.mediaisland.org/how-long-would-it-take-earn-one-billion-dollars Oct 13 09:40:09 Tracywork: I am looking it up Oct 13 09:40:14 * harveysgh8 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 09:40:29 their money helped create the technology which will undo them .... Oct 13 09:40:38 Sneaking this chat at work from phone :( Oct 13 09:40:54 naughty naughty Tracy Oct 13 09:41:08 I am working Oct 13 09:41:27 OccupyBoston824 do you have a twitter account? Oct 13 09:41:33 nope Oct 13 09:41:44 jay.berner@gmail.com Oct 13 09:41:50 doh ok what time are you likely to be there? Oct 13 09:41:52 gotta go myself .. will check in thoughout the day and more when I'm home with the group Oct 13 09:41:59 Maybe he can send a message,througn Reddit Oct 13 09:42:02 noonish? Oct 13 09:42:13 email addy above Oct 13 09:42:29 OccupyBoston824 that's a good time to come since there are marches and rallies this afternoon Oct 13 09:42:43 okey dokey Oct 13 09:42:44 Ty 824 Oct 13 09:42:48 be well all .... Oct 13 09:42:58 * LostInBoston (~LostInBos@yxlt.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 09:43:10 I think I have a line on five beat-up event tables from a church Oct 13 09:43:28 * PseudoMe02 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 09:43:51 We are diverse. Even Harvard Divinity School marched with us. Oct 13 09:44:11 * OccupyBoston994 (~OccupyBos@x-73-184-66-86.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 09:44:21 HELLO Oct 13 09:44:33 * CYA has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 09:44:34 * LostInBoston has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 09:44:42 ? Oct 13 09:44:42 ??? Oct 13 09:44:43 ? Oct 13 09:44:45 * OccupyBoston994 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 09:45:38 Harvard Divinity makes us diverse? Oct 13 09:46:11 I am saying we have all different groups. Oct 13 09:46:26 OccupyBoston824 I sent a message that should get to logistics. Either way I'll be honest just come by and there will be people to help Oct 13 09:47:27 OccupyBoston994 hi Oct 13 09:47:47 So who do we have that's really different from Harvard? Caring about collateralized debt obligations seems like something that only egg-heads do. Protesting is disproportionately done by college students. Oct 13 09:48:11 * dsws is perfectly willing to be called an egg-head. Oct 13 09:48:12 dsws: um well we have many union members on board Oct 13 09:48:38 dsws: we also have support from anti-ware organizations like Veterans' for peace Oct 13 09:49:00 Dsws, I guess I am an egghead then because Care about that stuff. Oct 13 09:49:05 Fair enough. Still, unions plus egg-heads is the standard Democratic base, not an expansion into the entire 99%. Oct 13 09:49:07 * OccupyBoston735 (~OccupyBos@l858.z605869065.nyc-ny.dsl.cnc.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 09:49:18 dsws: woah I am not a democrat Oct 13 09:49:27 Dsws, one can be both union worker and egghead. Oct 13 09:49:43 :) Oct 13 09:50:24 Of course one can be both a union worker and an egghead. But if they're partly the same people, that just makes the whole group of union plus egghead that much less diverse. Oct 13 09:50:35 * OccupyBoston510 (~OccupyBos@18.111.tm.xsy) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 09:51:00 Howard stern listeners are also welcome. Oct 13 09:51:02 dsws: it is not majority union it is a mix off many dynamic backgrounds Oct 13 09:51:04 good morning all Oct 13 09:51:11 Even though I judge them Oct 13 09:51:40 Howard Stern listeners are welcome, sure. But are they involved, or do they just see us as leftist fringe? Oct 13 09:51:52 One word I have never heard associated with union workers is efficient. Oct 13 09:52:06 Do not know. They frustrate me. Oct 13 09:52:06 * guest-en (~guest-en@vatu-274-777-318-281.sip.tys.bellsouth.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 09:52:08 OccupyBoston735 um well I have Oct 13 09:53:01 That's why our current government has so many union workers :-) Oct 13 09:53:29 how was the ga yesterday? had to leave early. Oct 13 09:53:46 OccupyBoston735 um 12% of the public and private sector is not that many union workers Oct 13 09:54:05 * olypeep has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 09:54:36 How are signs at camp holding up in the rain? Oct 13 09:55:04 dsws: I am not sure if anyone is on here yet from the cap I know GA went late last night Oct 13 09:55:19 on that note I am off need to get things done before heading out Oct 13 09:55:24 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @zairacat: I AM NOT MOVING - Short Film - #OccupyWallStreet http://t.co/bFy9SzvV via @youtube #OWS #OccupyLA #OccupyBoston - http://twitter.com/MagRos8/statuses/124483179582197760 Oct 13 09:55:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #OccupyBoston, take a look at #OccupyNorthampton! #massachusetts - http://twitter.com/BostonUrbEx/statuses/124483204701896704 Oct 13 09:55:25 It's still early - 10:00 am. 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Oct 13 10:10:13 Hi Oct 13 10:10:39 * calliope has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 13 10:10:46 * cck has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 13 10:11:06 * OccupyBoston433 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 10:11:50 why are you all taking away media attention from us were 15 african american's that were unjustly fired by boston convention center's while illegals took our jobs Oct 13 10:12:41 hello Oct 13 10:12:51 * yman_zzzzz is now known as yman Oct 13 10:12:52 * OccupyBoston782 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 10:12:54 * OccupyBoston514 (~OccupyBos@x-70-07-150-686.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:13:03 782. what are you asking??? Why did the occupy movement take media attention from you? Oct 13 10:13:14 782: hi Oct 13 10:13:21 * spacechip (~spacechip@d-57-438-851-391.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:14:02 african american's 15were fired from bostonconvention center;s and you peopletake away our medai time Oct 13 10:14:15 ...because multiple things can happen in the world at once? Oct 13 10:14:20 * Citizen271 (~Citizen27@207.206.wjz.ylq) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:14:52 Its not like OCCUPY moved in and said "15 african american's just got fired, lets set up a camp and protest".... Oct 13 10:15:00 782: what do you mean by "takw away our media time" ? Oct 13 10:15:16 They're on your side, why dont you organize and march down to the convention center with 1000 new friends and protest. Oct 13 10:15:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @OccupieBoston: YES. #onepercent #occupieboston #occupyboston RT @NESNmhurley Hi, my name is Bill. Would you like some pie? http://t.co/GmQVYwyU - http://twitter.com/NESNmhurley/statuses/124488249304551424 Oct 13 10:15:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] 20 must-have items to live the #OccupyBoston lifestyle: http://t.co/fFtev8sf - http://twitter.com/kailanikm/statuses/124488260415258624 Oct 13 10:16:05 illegals working at boston convention center governor deval patrick isgetting paid off to block and not bother them Oct 13 10:16:30 * Tracywork has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 13 10:17:11 * OccupyBoston566 (~OccupyBos@x-27-54-735-241.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:17:14 782: are you part of a union? Oct 13 10:17:41 * OccupyBoston566 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 10:17:56 * yman is now known as yman_afk Oct 13 10:18:34 so what can we do about this their is illegals working boston convention center's while people with sham marriages work thier deval patrick gets paid off Oct 13 10:18:54 * MediaTent (~MediaTent@ng-54-779-240-730.public.wayport.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:18:54 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to MediaTent Oct 13 10:19:20 * anonathens (~anonathen@195.251.vy.sv) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:19:22 * schock (~schock@18.111.pr.zw) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:19:31 our union unite here local 26 is anti immigrant Oct 13 10:20:26 we all have charges against the union and the leader left the state once they build up against her Oct 13 10:20:26 * Citizen271 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 10:20:55 782 and 514: one thing you can do is bring the issue up at union meetings. there might be some ideas about what to do. if there is nothing that can be done through those channels, then you should consider protesting to bring attention to the issue. if that doesn't work, consider peaceful disobedience and direct action. Oct 13 10:20:57 * spacechip has quit (Quit: spacechip) Oct 13 10:21:48 piggy backing union bs is totally not going to get this movement anywhere Oct 13 10:21:54 * Tracywork (~yaaic@769-248-201-758.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:22:09 we are not allowed in the union because of charges we have against them Oct 13 10:22:15 Hi Oct 13 10:22:27 hi Oct 13 10:22:43 * Joanna has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 10:22:47 * karabiner (~pjirc@690-29-58-81.bois.qwest.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:23:01 782 and 514: your issues are directly related to the condition of the economy, and systemic problems with how it is run. this is what the occupy movement is trying to bring attention to by protesting. if you think things are broken about the economy and should be fixed, it would be great to see you at the protests. Oct 13 10:23:21 our union president has stolen our union trust fund money to purchase houses Oct 13 10:23:41 Hey everyone Oct 13 10:23:51 the unions are using occupy boston it should not be allowed Oct 13 10:23:52 Hi Oct 13 10:23:55 * MediaTent1 (~MediaTent@ng-54-779-240-730.public.wayport.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:24:04 * MediaTent_Cyris (~MediaTent@ng-54-779-240-730.public.wayport.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:24:05 who would we talk to their about all this? Oct 13 10:24:25 sorry we have been offline for a while... Oct 13 10:24:38 just show up at GA and talk about it Oct 13 10:24:47 514: http://www.nlgmass.org/ Oct 13 10:24:50 would you let churches run their agendas through occupy? why let unions? Oct 13 10:25:06 er, it depends on the agenda? Oct 13 10:25:15 hi MediaTent: everything ok? Oct 13 10:25:56 How are unions changing the agenda of occupy? Oct 13 10:26:01 my union only protect illegals and their friends from southboston Oct 13 10:26:55 514: in particular, see this: http://www.nlgmass.org/street-law-clinics/clinic-overviews/workers-rights/ Oct 13 10:26:56 Rd ain is finally slowing,down Oct 13 10:27:01 when you have time go to www.uniteherecurrupt.org Oct 13 10:27:51 it just seems couterproductive to act like this movement is going to solve every problem for every organization Oct 13 10:27:51 * anonathens has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 10:28:45 * Shidash1 (~Shidash@qtmv-41-63-88-407.media.mit.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:28:49 * Shidash has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 10:28:52 * OccupyBoston353 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 10:28:59 * OccupyBoston846 (~OccupyBos@w-83-05-637-681.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:29:59 * climatejusticenow has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 10:30:23 well go to fixlocaljobs.com our site we also have cases down MCAD that have been lagging i filed my case oct 5 2010 and they still can't tell me sht about a decision Oct 13 10:31:09 Who needs volunteers the most? Oct 13 10:31:18 * OccupyBoston911 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 10:31:57 and my unemployment has run out another african american barely can support his kids and MCAD is dragging our cases Oct 13 10:31:58 hi ghost: good to see you here again. i agree. but at the same time, we shouldn't shy away from seeking out possible overlaps. Oct 13 10:33:16 * OccupyBoston155 (~OccupyBos@cp86-435-81-296.ri.ri.cox.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:33:18 * OccupyBoston775 (~OccupyBos@155.212.sxn.qzg) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:33:28 can you all help us out with media coverage on this issue? Oct 13 10:33:58 * Tracywork has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 13 10:34:04 * OccupyBoston775 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 10:34:18 * OccupyBoston155 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 10:34:44 514: you should contact the media tent, and bring up the issue at the GA (talk to the stack manager) Oct 13 10:34:52 i'm in favor of destroying the current system of government and economics Oct 13 10:35:06 allot of these companies hire illegals to get the wages back from our government Oct 13 10:35:24 injustice will persist until the model which has been created is destroyed Oct 13 10:35:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Is there a difference between being educated and being knowledgeable #jag #baabaa #ows #occupyboston #logistics #clevelandrocks - http://twitter.com/noyb100/statuses/124493183630577665 Oct 13 10:35:32 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @NewAmercnClasic: You can't be neutral on a moving train #ows #occupyportland #occupytogether #occupyearth #occupy #occupyla #occupydc #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/maxtrinity/statuses/124493249921552384 Oct 13 10:35:42 * EmpathizeForChange (~Empathize@a-23-504-076-021.hsd2.ca.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:35:48 governor devalpatrick is blocking secure communities Oct 13 10:36:03 * EmpathizeForChange has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 10:37:12 atleast 5people killed with in thelast two weeks here killed by an illegal alien because the governor won't sign the secure communities Oct 13 10:37:47 we all need to force him out of the office Oct 13 10:39:58 * OccupyBoston846 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 10:40:10 * OccupyBoston926 (~OccupyBos@w-83-05-637-681.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:40:40 * OccupyBoston804 (~OccupyBos@lbg7-xsyrll63-7024134490.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:41:09 * OccupyBoston804 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 10:41:10 where is your group going to be today Oct 13 10:41:21 * meskk has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 10:42:00 * Tracywork (~yaaic@769-248-201-758.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:44:53 the real reason is with these illegals working their cash from the goverenment Oct 13 10:44:54 * guest-en has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 10:45:05 * Sasso (Sasso@69.20.jzi.own) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:45:22 Hi Oct 13 10:46:23 * vincere (~user@130.64.rv.pgq) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:46:38 Tracywork: hi Oct 13 10:46:51 I see there is training from legal at 8 tonight, I've been to camp for several days but where is the ghandi statue haha? Oct 13 10:46:53 sunday night we can march down 415summer street were all these illegals will be working and you all will see why were not being hired think about it their cash from our goverment Oct 13 10:47:14 Hey everone, if any of you know people at the other occupations we are trying to get in touch with as many as possible today Oct 13 10:47:23 * OccupyBoston926 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 10:47:28 * OccupyBoston256 (~OccupyBos@w-83-05-637-681.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:47:34 * Hitman (~Hitman@i-95-63-594-38.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:47:45 after the rais 2 nights ago, we really realized how important it is to utilize the nationwide (and even world wide) solidarity of this movement Oct 13 10:47:49 * Hitman has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 10:47:51 Media, is for the 15 th? Dau of action? Oct 13 10:48:16 its to be connected for everything moving forward, including the 15th Oct 13 10:48:29 espe cially to help out when they are under police attack Oct 13 10:48:53 we went through it and have support and advice we want to share in those difficult times but we need to gte in touch Oct 13 10:49:00 What is going on on the 15th? Oct 13 10:49:19 yeah i us to work the boston hotels and were replcaed by the union's illegals go to 33 harrison ave china town boston unitehere local 26 protection agency for illegal immigrants Oct 13 10:49:26 Can't you do that through social media? Oct 13 10:49:36 [Occupy Boston] Occupier: What Happened to Me in the Police Raid and Arrest 141 of Peaceful Protestors - http://occupyboston.com/2011/10/13/occupier-what-happened-to-me-in-the-police-raid-and-arrest-141-of-peaceful-protestors/ Oct 13 10:49:42 yes we are. I was just saying if anyone knows anyone directly Oct 13 10:49:53 MediaTent: The only list I've found so far of the other occupy sites is here: http://www.meetup.com/occupytogether/ Oct 13 10:50:13 I do not know anyone :( Oct 13 10:50:30 Tracywork: no problem Oct 13 10:50:31 * evegirl has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 10:51:36 allot of good paying jobs at these hotels that the illegals got union trains them Oct 13 10:51:49 * OccupyBoston616 (~OccupyBos@69.16.jn.po) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:51:51 * OccupyBoston254 (~OccupyBos@vbmwknsl.boston.gov) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:51:59 jkjk Oct 13 10:52:11 MediaTent: Sorry, don't know anyone directly. Oct 13 10:52:29 MediaTent: morning Oct 13 10:52:32 Maybe we should organize by region. Northeast, south, etc. Oct 13 10:52:53 and don't train the african american's or no one else i no people on sham marriages Oct 13 10:53:22 wait, what? Oct 13 10:53:29 boston convention centers have jobs Oct 13 10:53:49 hello, i am wondering if there are still occupiers in boston?? Oct 13 10:53:50 OccupyBoston510: explain your last statement please? To me it looks like you're being racist. Oct 13 10:53:55 616: yes Oct 13 10:54:02 Hi lefty Oct 13 10:54:07 morning Tracywork Oct 13 10:54:22 leftyb: huh? Oct 13 10:54:28 * OccupyBoston616 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 10:54:37 * Tell (~Tell@69.16.jn.po) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:54:42 leftyfb: huh? which statement? Oct 13 10:54:51 and don't train the african american's or no one else i no people on sham marriages Oct 13 10:54:56 Are occupiers still in BOSTON?!! Oct 13 10:55:00 Tell: yes Oct 13 10:55:05 leftyfb: that wasn't me Oct 13 10:55:12 oh, sorry Oct 13 10:55:19 4'30 reception down 415 summer street were blacks were fired and called nigger's and sunday is a reception Oct 13 10:55:49 what are we talking about here? Oct 13 10:55:53 514: it sounds like this is not the forum for your grievances. you are welcome to go elsewhere. Oct 13 10:56:17 how long are they expected to stay!?!? Oct 13 10:56:24 Would it be easier to have regional groups. For example: northeast can be Philly,ny ,boston. Easier to have communication between a,few big groups instead of hundreds of small groups. Oct 13 10:56:26 Tell: till things change Oct 13 10:56:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Just spoke with departing state senator, new AFL-CIO MA prez Steven Tolman at Dewey Square. #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/nickfountain/statuses/124498567552438272 Oct 13 10:56:42 i am only asking because i want to join and want to make sure they are still there!! :] Oct 13 10:56:46 i said their is plenty of ilegals working at the boston convention center;s don't mis interpede my words sweetie Oct 13 10:56:50 Tell: we're still there Oct 13 10:56:54 * OccupyBoston254 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 10:56:56 * Grumpy (~Grumpy@ilgha5.modicon.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:57:00 thank you lefty Oct 13 10:57:03 * HewsonBos (~HewsonBos@yrvpwj16007xl.bc.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:57:14 * Shidash1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 10:57:58 MediaTent: How are things holding up with the rain? I'm also wondering how the power switch-over went last night. What is the power meter reading at the moment? Oct 13 10:58:20 514, I personally do not want racism to be part of this movement. Oct 13 10:58:36 514: I second tracywork Oct 13 10:58:56 * Shidash (~Shidash@qtmv-41-63-88-407.media.mit.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:59:02 tracy dont you dare twist up my words Oct 13 10:59:21 * OccupyBoston511 (~OccupyBos@w-83-05-637-681.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 10:59:38 Wish I could ban people Oct 13 11:00:09 OccupyBoston514: can you please explain your overall point you are trying to make please? Oct 13 11:00:23 if you don't understand whats really going on here then you better ask someone yeah wish you could to sweetie don't start with me Oct 13 11:00:45 Ban Oct 13 11:00:47 dont like whatim saying leave Oct 13 11:00:59 yes y Oct 13 11:01:00 OccupyBoston514: please don't be confrontational. If you have a point, could you please start over and explain from the beginning what you're trying to suggest? Oct 13 11:01:11 woah occupy 514... being confrontational will push people away Oct 13 11:01:27 try to be understanding.. or people won't listen to you Oct 13 11:02:22 ? Oct 13 11:02:46 * MediaTent_Cyris has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 11:02:50 I can try to explain what I've understood so far from 514. A group of 15 people were laid off from the convention center. At least some were african american. 514 wants to know what to do, and is concerned that occupy is taking away media attention from their problem. Oct 13 11:02:57 * MediaTent1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 11:02:58 * MediaTent has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 11:03:24 514: sorry if I left something out. I tried to summarize what you have said. Oct 13 11:03:31 This movement is bigger than that Oct 13 11:03:36 it's not about racism Oct 13 11:03:36 * Tell has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 11:03:37 im saying i being working at the boston convention center for 15 year' and my union train illegals for back of the house jobs like kitchen and these companies get thier wages back at the end of theyear from goverment Oct 13 11:04:09 514, come and voice your concerns Oct 13 11:04:23 OccupyBoston514: come down to the camp and share your voice at GA tonight Oct 13 11:04:35 Love Nate Wooley Oct 13 11:05:31 because they dont pay taxes like me and you do so thats why these companies hire them because they get the wges back and not mine or your's thats all im saying Oct 13 11:05:31 * OccupyBoston333 (~OccupyBos@uksa-59-526-935-469.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:05:48 * OccupyBoston333 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 11:06:59 you ileterate folks down even have a clue Oct 13 11:07:24 OccupyBoston514: lose the confrontational attitude to please leave Oct 13 11:07:30 to/or Oct 13 11:07:36 and don't ever judge me cause you don't know whats going on Oct 13 11:08:07 * Tracywork has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 13 11:08:09 OccupyBoston514: Please lose the attitude and disrespect. We are all trying to understand what is going on and are all trying to raise awareness to it. Oct 13 11:08:38 [Twitter] Boston_Police: Save the Date! Youre invited to District E-5s 8th annual Halloween party! http://t.co/kAb2pkX4 via @AddToAny - http://twitter.com/Boston_Police/statuses/124501424431300609 Oct 13 11:08:57 well stop with the im being a racist cause you don't understand what im saying its not like what your saying islaw either Oct 13 11:09:02 * Tracywork (~yaaic@769-248-201-758.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:09:09 * HewsonBos has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 11:09:30 OccupyBoston514: stop being confrontational Oct 13 11:09:43 Bot finally got rid of message from the 10th Oct 13 11:09:50 stop calling me a racist then Oct 13 11:10:07 OccupyBoston514: nobody called you anything. STOP BEING CONFRONTATIONAL Oct 13 11:10:20 i know what im talking about Oct 13 11:10:50 stop calling my comments racist again Oct 13 11:11:00 last warning Oct 13 11:11:04 * Dave (~Dave@15-740-78-824-gjnsnngcyg.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:11:08 OccupyBoston514: move on Oct 13 11:11:23 Hello, I am a member of the press Oct 13 11:11:25 OccupyBoston514: come down to Dewey and voice your concerns Oct 13 11:11:26 please talk to your kid like that Oct 13 11:11:35 Daily News of Newburyport Oct 13 11:11:50 last warning you people Oct 13 11:11:58 * OccupyBoston514 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 11:12:10 Dave: It would probably be best if you were to come down to the camp in Dewey Square to get quotes. Oct 13 11:12:24 Well Im in Newburyport Oct 13 11:12:30 Lefty, he has been at it all morning Oct 13 11:12:46 Im working on story on greater newburyporters Oct 13 11:12:59 involved in Occupy Boston Oct 13 11:13:08 Dave: We would need someone from the media tent who can do a proper interview or give informed quotes. They're not on at the moment. Oct 13 11:13:16 its a mess of hippes in tents Oct 13 11:13:35 nobody is in charge Oct 13 11:13:39 ghostincubicle: please be respectful or you may take your leave Oct 13 11:13:45 dave you can say you're in charge if you want Oct 13 11:13:50 ghostincubicle: please be respectful or you may take your leave Oct 13 11:13:59 hey lefty Oct 13 11:14:02 hi Oct 13 11:14:06 * OccupyBoston162 (~OccupyBos@pzywat-310-418-430-369.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:14:11 would you mind passing along my phone number? Oct 13 11:14:12 lefty pretends he is in charge Oct 13 11:14:16 to media tent Oct 13 11:14:18 Dave: sure thing Oct 13 11:14:29 978-462-6666 x3230 Oct 13 11:14:30 Dave: I can give you an email address Oct 13 11:14:37 sure, that wuld be great too Oct 13 11:14:39 Dave: occupybostonmedia@gmail.com Oct 13 11:14:40 Hope you ALL are doing Ok with the rain ! sat and sun are to Dry.. Oct 13 11:14:55 Thanks lefty Oct 13 11:15:00 rock on Oct 13 11:15:02 np Oct 13 11:15:38 * Dave has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 11:15:49 what happens when its like 20 degrees out every day in january Oct 13 11:16:04 back to the dorm? Oct 13 11:16:16 ghost: we adjust. any ideas how? Oct 13 11:16:18 ghostincubicle: please be respectful Oct 13 11:16:27 i am Oct 13 11:16:30 you are not Oct 13 11:16:33 stop being pretentious Oct 13 11:16:39 and argumentative Oct 13 11:16:49 You are making generalizations about the people who are fighting for your freedoms Oct 13 11:16:49 That will be another thing to deal with But when the People suport the occupation it will contiue Oct 13 11:16:58 i have no freedoms Oct 13 11:17:13 i am a slave to american law Oct 13 11:17:18 not everyone in the camp is a student, hippy or homeless Oct 13 11:17:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] good shit! @Fara1: On @UNregularRadio #TheMorningShow NOW talking 'bout #OccupyBoston ... http://t.co/nFWaQFem - http://twitter.com/ladysauce/statuses/124503738781138944 Oct 13 11:17:26 and a victim of economic oppression Oct 13 11:17:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #occupyfrankfurt: Grüße von #occupyboston. Viel Glück mit dem Kampf gegen die Banken. WIR BRAUCHEN EUCH denn Banken sind international!!! - http://twitter.com/benningtonc7/statuses/124503749753454592 Oct 13 11:17:32 Join the occupation ghost Oct 13 11:17:44 Hope it clears up for rally. Had an issue at OB yesterday. Think it is cleared up. Oct 13 11:17:55 Tracywork: what issue? Oct 13 11:18:06 victims ni longer.. Oct 13 11:18:07 i have been spreading my ideas for a long time and am not convinced that occupy has the same ideas Oct 13 11:18:23 ghostincubicle: go down to the camp and voice your ideas Oct 13 11:18:37 i've been down to the camp Oct 13 11:18:44 not really impressed Oct 13 11:18:44 Yes TAKE PART voice you voice Oct 13 11:18:55 People not communicating properly. Fely I was mistreated. Oct 13 11:19:02 not impressed ok. Oct 13 11:19:04 Tracywork: how so? Oct 13 11:19:13 * OccupyBoston246 (~OccupyBos@782-67-078-18.c7-7.wth-ubr7.sbo-wth.ma.static.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:19:30 Wait pm Oct 13 11:19:35 i am trying to understand what the desired outcome of the protesting is Oct 13 11:19:44 * OccupyBoston246 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 11:19:54 ghostincubicle: you've been here for 3 days of people explaining it several times Oct 13 11:19:57 we need to HOLD the space for our diffrence and TO stay In the place.. Oct 13 11:20:03 leftyfb: I've been at the camp for several days now, where is this ghandi statue? Oct 13 11:20:04 it is evolving Oct 13 11:20:06 yeah so what? i'm curious Oct 13 11:20:19 vincere: it's near logistics Oct 13 11:20:27 k thanks leftyfb Oct 13 11:20:30 lefty you are really rude sometimes and not welcoming at all Oct 13 11:21:10 ghostincubicle: I'd say the same with you which is why I'm being so abrasive, yet apprehensive with you. Oct 13 11:21:15 ghostincubicle: be fair, his position is difficult in dealing with the same questions by dozens of people and the trolls all day Oct 13 11:21:30 ghostincubicle: most of your comments I've seen in here have been very trollish, off-the-cuff and not appropriate Oct 13 11:21:38 for several days Oct 13 11:21:40 so deal Oct 13 11:21:45 Just to SHOW up and be a Witness to what you belive in. The hugh Imbalance The Murder and the the cost of the WAR there are many thing that the occuption stands for Oct 13 11:21:47 i'm here in support Oct 13 11:21:57 ghostincubicle: then support, instead of act like an ass Oct 13 11:22:18 are we going to take down the state house? Oct 13 11:22:21 * Shidash has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 11:22:30 * OccupyBoston558 (~OccupyBos@e-23-634-170-20.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:22:35 that would be a statement Oct 13 11:22:55 battle the powers that be or just yell at them? Oct 13 11:23:15 * OccupyBoston558 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 11:23:16 * OccupyBoston743 (~OccupyBos@ouy1-cwa-frk-6.cisco.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:23:24 so what is appropriate is civil conversation .. and to battle the powers yes.. Oct 13 11:23:37 * Shidash (~Shidash@qtmv-41-63-88-407.media.mit.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:24:19 Ghosy, come down Oct 13 11:24:21 Shidash: How's things down there today with the rain? Oct 13 11:24:33 is this an anarchist movement or not? Oct 13 11:24:51 * OccupyBoston730 (~OccupyBos@15-472-459-14.bethere.co.uk) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:24:51 * OccupyBoston730 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 11:25:03 ghostincubicle: no Oct 13 11:25:04 * Tracywork has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 13 11:25:10 why not? Oct 13 11:25:30 ghostincubicle: This is not about anarchy Oct 13 11:25:37 so it kind of is the lefty tea party then Oct 13 11:25:37 never has been and never will be Oct 13 11:25:50 it's not the tea party either Oct 13 11:25:52 it doesn't seek to exclude anarchists Oct 13 11:26:10 there are anarchists down there who are helping support our cause Oct 13 11:26:13 it's unexplainable Oct 13 11:26:48 is that just a nasty little remarke put down alefty tea party.. how sad Oct 13 11:26:50 ghostincubicle: have you participated in any assemblies? Oct 13 11:27:01 not in boston Oct 13 11:27:15 if you don't mind me asking, where have you? Oct 13 11:27:23 maine Oct 13 11:27:40 ah good Oct 13 11:28:07 * OccupyBoston738 (~OccupyBos@173.11.lz.hsm) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:28:08 I'm very certain the movement will feel different in different places Oct 13 11:28:11 ok wow Maine you should start a occuption there.. you are suffering from the cost of the War and the corporate Greed tht is killing the people in the US Oct 13 11:28:18 * Tracywork (~yaaic@769-248-201-758.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:28:19 * Katie (~Katie@775-6-36-12.c5-4.abr-ubr1.sbo-abr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:28:22 there is one there Oct 13 11:28:34 great Oct 13 11:28:37 * OccupyBoston103 (~OccupyBos@n-40-118-65-33.hsd3.nh.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:28:38 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Occupy Boston benefit show at the Midway Cafe in JP this Saturday 10/15, 9 PM. $5-10 donation. Check it out! - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124505081235247104 Oct 13 11:28:39 starting a protest isn't going to end those things Oct 13 11:28:51 but a protest does raise awareness Oct 13 11:28:54 starting a revolution could though Oct 13 11:28:58 ahh lets stay at home and look at TV then... Oct 13 11:29:04 * GeoBos (~GeoBos@128.197.tjo.xu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:29:06 getting out there and meeting together is essential Oct 13 11:29:11 is anyone at occupy boston willing to die for this cause Oct 13 11:29:19 we don't have to Die Oct 13 11:29:19 ghostincubicle: it's a peaceful cause Oct 13 11:29:21 ghost: if you want to take down the system, get everyone to take their money out of banks on a single day Oct 13 11:29:32 that would really be something Oct 13 11:29:43 when in history has a social movement peacefully taken over a government? Oct 13 11:29:53 india Oct 13 11:30:02 ghost: if a movement takes over a government, it becomes the government Oct 13 11:30:08 true Oct 13 11:30:14 we're not trying to take over a government .... only change it for the greater good. End the bad mistakes Oct 13 11:30:20 where is our ghandi? Oct 13 11:30:21 * OccupyBoston134 (~OccupyBos@q-07-99-965-020.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:30:22 and Yes what do you propose Ghost .. Oct 13 11:30:24 * OccupyBoston103 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 11:30:29 we don't need a ghandi Oct 13 11:30:32 we need eachother Oct 13 11:30:46 ghandi wouldn't have done shit without the support of the people Oct 13 11:30:53 Bye. Be back after Demovracy Now Oct 13 11:30:58 ghandi didn't do it, the people did Oct 13 11:31:03 Be the CHANGE you Want that is what Ghandi said.. Oct 13 11:31:07 * OccupyBoston052 (~OccupyBos@dthg-466-412.arnold-hall.simmons.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:31:08 the government doesn't do anything, people do it Oct 13 11:31:15 yeah Oct 13 11:31:15 we need to stay strong and not let anything stop this movement Oct 13 11:31:17 people did die in india Oct 13 11:31:18 be it yourself Oct 13 11:31:19 * Tracywork has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 13 11:31:22 yes they did Oct 13 11:31:25 * Meskk (~mulee@84-704-34-375.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:31:34 hopefully we won't have to Oct 13 11:31:41 but you know, somebody might.... Oct 13 11:31:44 do you guys Have oatmeal ! Oct 13 11:31:46 that would be aweful Oct 13 11:31:54 somebody will soon i would imagine Oct 13 11:31:54 i have oatmeal... Oct 13 11:31:55 * OccupyBoston738 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 11:32:04 lol Oct 13 11:32:09 OccupyBoston162: If you're offering to donate some, it would be appreciated and needed Oct 13 11:32:13 Hello. I have some questions. I am in a debate with someone about Occupy and want to get my facts straight. They said "the economic crash was stemmed from credit and the BANK, and people who used credit cards to buy stuff that they couldn't even afford." Is that at all true? Oct 13 11:32:14 but only two packettes Oct 13 11:32:15 * Tracywork (~yaaic@769-248-201-758.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:32:24 that's part of it Oct 13 11:32:36 i think the credit card thing is part of it for sure Oct 13 11:32:46 lots of people did that Oct 13 11:32:48 OccupyBoston052: There's lots of reasons why we are in the position we are in. No one cause. Oct 13 11:32:50 * OccupyBoston743 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 11:32:57 but it's the large scale stuff that really did it Oct 13 11:33:05 like banks pretty much doing the same thing Oct 13 11:33:10 but with billions of dollars Oct 13 11:33:11 ghost: people died in india, but they did not seek death Oct 13 11:33:16 Just GREED.. plane and simple Oct 13 11:33:17 Thank you very much. Oct 13 11:33:29 if anyone wants to share their opinions on the movement, or connect to other movements across the country, http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Everything/201593333246529 I am trying to use this as a page to recruit new people to come up to the boston site. I would love to hear from you Oct 13 11:33:33 yeah there's so many factors... Oct 13 11:33:33 * OccupyBoston052 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 11:33:43 the companies that failed were not primarily invested in credit cards Oct 13 11:33:46 * OccupyBoston738 (~OccupyBos@arbx-53-00-912-21.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:33:46 how about the institution of the federal reserve in the thirties Oct 13 11:33:53 that def had soemthig to do with it Oct 13 11:34:11 Ok, can anyone give me some information about Occupy Cape Cods' event tomorrow? Oct 13 11:34:12 we were sold to a private company Oct 13 11:34:19 they aren't even part of the governemtn Oct 13 11:34:32 we don't elect them but they make our cash and set our interest rates Oct 13 11:34:41 Fed actually started in 1913 Oct 13 11:34:46 oh Oct 13 11:34:52 we also dont elect our "elected officials" they are bought thanks to citizens united Oct 13 11:35:03 wel then what happened in the thirties/ Oct 13 11:35:07 * hosap (~hosap@otkk-67-88-832-993.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:35:14 huh, interesting... Oct 13 11:35:19 Katie: they set an interest rate at which the banks can borrow from them Oct 13 11:35:23 i need to get my facts straight Oct 13 11:35:33 yeah/ Oct 13 11:35:34 they don't determine any sort of rate by which say you could lend to your neighbor Oct 13 11:35:35 ? Oct 13 11:35:42 ok Oct 13 11:35:42 hey there, I realize I am jumping into the middle of a conversation but does anyone know who I can contact about the Occupy Cape Cod event staged for tomorrow afternoon? Oct 13 11:36:02 i don't know, but i'd suggest looking it up online somewhere Oct 13 11:36:05 OccupyBoston738: no idea. Do they have their own webpage/facebook/twitter? Oct 13 11:36:08 ok Good People at the occupation Keep the Faith .. Keep United... Have Fun to Oct 13 11:36:14 i'm in boston Oct 13 11:36:16 I have been looking it up online and have not had much luck Oct 13 11:36:22 i was at occupy right before they were all arrested Oct 13 11:36:28 Hope we have a big group today. Oct 13 11:36:28 that's why i'm in this chat right now Oct 13 11:36:28 OccupyBoston738: how do you know there is one? Oct 13 11:36:40 it was posted in cape cod times today Oct 13 11:36:43 just curious what others are saying if anything Oct 13 11:36:44 no contact info Oct 13 11:36:59 do you know if they planon staying overnight or if it's just for a few hours? Oct 13 11:37:00 OccupyBoston738: maybe call the times and see if they have contact for it Oct 13 11:37:20 ok thanks leftyfb!! will try that route Oct 13 11:37:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Please fwd my mail to; #OCCUPANT, Dewey Sq., Boston, MA #OccupyBoston #OWS #OccupyTogether #TaxTheRich #FuckYouGOP #FuckYouWAshington #USdor - http://twitter.com/panda317/statuses/124508814358757376 Oct 13 11:37:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @LtRav3nw00d: I hear that #OccupyBoston is now charging admission to Dewey Sq. Wow ! When did #capitalism take over the movement ? #tcot #teaparty - http://twitter.com/msp0789/statuses/124508892385390592 Oct 13 11:37:37 but in general, do they just stay for a few hours or do they stay for an extended period of time? Oct 13 11:37:38 what// Oct 13 11:37:46 they didn't charge me anything Oct 13 11:37:53 ugh Oct 13 11:37:54 if you hear about the cape cod protests let me know? im very interested. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Everything/201593333246529 Oct 13 11:37:55 i got over there and walked around Oct 13 11:38:01 i don't think they're charging money Oct 13 11:38:06 we need the media tent in here now Oct 13 11:38:11 they're not Oct 13 11:38:17 didnt think so Oct 13 11:38:19 Katie: I'm not convinced the federal reserve is what's wrong at all... they transfered over 96% of their profit back to the us government last year alone Oct 13 11:38:25 hm Oct 13 11:38:40 Where are they? Oct 13 11:38:57 but is it right that a seperate entity is printing our currency and setting interest rates Oct 13 11:39:03 I'm not saying the fed is good, I just don't see what's terrible bad with it either Oct 13 11:39:05 Occupy Cape Cod hsa had a few events alreayd and it seems that they have stayed there for only a few hours and then left but I didnt knowif this would be htought of as one of those times when they would stay for an extended eriod of time Oct 13 11:39:06 shouldn't our own government do that? Oct 13 11:39:22 but what aobut what Jefferson said? Oct 13 11:39:31 and isn't it true that money equals power? Oct 13 11:39:33 they don't set any interest rate you borrow from, otherwise you'd be getting a loan for 0.15% Oct 13 11:39:40 we should make occupy cape cod an extended event Oct 13 11:39:41 Tracywork: no idea ... getting a bit upset at the lack of caring too Oct 13 11:39:43 if the people want the power shouldn't they hold the money? Oct 13 11:39:53 Tracywork: unless they have another power issue Oct 13 11:39:55 What is media? Oct 13 11:40:01 Where Oct 13 11:40:17 * jproulx (~jon@fxlv.csail.mit.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:40:21 * Shidash has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 11:40:24 I dont think they should make it an extended event Oct 13 11:40:27 I saw somethimg about reset and they all left at once Oct 13 11:40:30 I think it would be a bad idea Oct 13 11:40:43 I am just going to go with my laptop and work Oct 13 11:40:45 how would that be a bad idea? Oct 13 11:40:49 I think it's more interest to keep the occupations moving from place to place but not for extended periods of time Oct 13 11:41:02 Tracywork: yeah, the UPS reset yesterday morning and they freaked out and unplugged it Oct 13 11:41:15 738 fluid strategy makes sense Oct 13 11:41:19 Tracywork: if they didn't have the UPS, they wouldn't have power at all and for good at the moment Oct 13 11:41:21 * jones has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 11:41:22 if you span out to certain areas for only a few hours here nad there then you are generating more interest by keeping the groupd moving Oct 13 11:41:24 thats a good point, but that just gives more credence to the idea that the movement is too scattered you know Oct 13 11:41:28 Tracywork: so last night I had them plug it back in Oct 13 11:41:36 it will get more attention to keep the group moving from palce to place Oct 13 11:41:56 well i don't think the banking system is the only thing wrong with this country, but it is obviously not doing the greatest good for the greatest number of people Oct 13 11:41:58 it is cape cod after all and most people get around in vehicles not public transportaion Oct 13 11:42:03 so then i invite everyone to occupy fall river Oct 13 11:42:11 a lot of people are unhappy about it Oct 13 11:42:12 theres also another occupy cape cod going on in Ptown for saturday' Oct 13 11:42:17 leftyfb: how do we get electricity at the camp? Oct 13 11:42:18 and so if the fed is the biggest bank Oct 13 11:42:20 Did not even so GA from chat last night and livestream was bad Oct 13 11:42:23 and the banks are a problem Oct 13 11:42:27 * Shidash (~Shidash@qtmv-41-63-88-407.media.mit.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:42:33 then the fed is prolly the biggest bank problem Oct 13 11:42:43 OccupyBoston510: The greenway provided us a single power circuit. If we trip it, it's gone for good. Oct 13 11:42:44 * yman_afk is now known as yman Oct 13 11:42:54 Shidash: Is power ok there? Oct 13 11:43:01 movement must emulate water- remain fluid to fluid situations Oct 13 11:43:09 leftyfb: wow... :| Oct 13 11:43:10 OccupyBoston510: We also have a solar panel and pedal generator Oct 13 11:43:17 leftyfb: nice! Oct 13 11:43:29 leftyfb: are those hooked up to usb charging stuff? Oct 13 11:44:04 * OccupyBoston256 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 11:44:04 jrabbit: the tech group will be having a meeting tonight where all sources of power will be brought up and decided how to manage Oct 13 11:44:13 hey are you guys down at occupy boston right now? Oct 13 11:44:19 That is why I bring my phone so I am always connected. Not extra because it is rooted. Oct 13 11:44:23 * OccupyBoston785 (~OccupyBos@vbmwknsl.boston.gov) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:44:26 * davewilson (~robert@imry-09-967-991-14.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:44:28 leftyfb: sounds like the greenway folks have been helpful. Oct 13 11:44:30 occupyboston738- if you want to discuss the cape cod protests more check out http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Everything/201593333246529 Oct 13 11:44:32 hey tracy how you feeling today? Oct 13 11:44:40 leftyfb: I'm not really nearby I'm in western mass... I'm jsut familair with the problems of charging Oct 13 11:44:44 hi hosap. welcome back. Oct 13 11:44:44 my suggestion is to use the solar to charge cellphones, pedal to charge laptops and the circuit to power the media tent, logistics tent and GA meetings Oct 13 11:44:52 hey 510 Oct 13 11:45:05 * OccupyBoston615 (~OccupyBos@w-83-05-637-681.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:45:18 whats the availability of getting power from say across the street? Oct 13 11:45:24 leftyfb: for mobile things, I imagine people can run to starbucks, or south station no? Oct 13 11:45:25 jrabbit: not possible Oct 13 11:45:26 from a friendly business or homeowner? Oct 13 11:45:30 ah Oct 13 11:45:36 OccupyBoston510: that's another option Oct 13 11:45:37 see, fluid is much better, totally agree with you hosap Oct 13 11:46:07 im going to be up at dewey square tomorrow, anyone whos there have any recommendations of what i can bring to help/ Oct 13 11:46:11 leftyfb: that would save the electricity that comes to the site for things that cannot leave the site. Oct 13 11:46:11 738 indigenous tactics Oct 13 11:46:46 OccupyBoston134: http://occupyboston.wikispaces.com/Committees+Logistics Oct 13 11:46:48 * Tracywork has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 13 11:46:51 * Shidash has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 11:47:05 leftyfb: i imagine that the businesses will get irritated, but i think we could talk to the people who work there and ask for their sympathy for our movement Oct 13 11:47:26 OccupyBoston134: At this point, anything that can help with shelter would be good. tarps, tent stakes, tents, poles, etc Oct 13 11:47:28 doesn't hurt to ask Oct 13 11:47:53 you could have one of your people land a ob someplace close by Oct 13 11:48:00 then they get promoted to manager Oct 13 11:48:02 nearby businesses for help Oct 13 11:48:06 and there you have it Oct 13 11:48:06 i will see what i can gather, thanks leftyfb Oct 13 11:48:08 leftyfb: is it possible to build there a bit? Oct 13 11:48:10 a sympathetic manager Oct 13 11:48:24 it might take a while Oct 13 11:48:26 jrabbit: anything not permanent Oct 13 11:48:27 appeal to preople's humanity Oct 13 11:48:30 but it's gonna take a while any way Oct 13 11:48:31 to increase the number of people who can live in the space Oct 13 11:48:34 leftyfb: hmmm Oct 13 11:48:44 * jrabbit can look into it Oct 13 11:48:55 * OccupyBoston649 (~OccupyBos@97.8.52.082.ptr.us.xo.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:48:55 appeal to their resentment Oct 13 11:48:57 Katie: thats a horrible solution lol Oct 13 11:48:59 lol Oct 13 11:49:02 lol Oct 13 11:49:09 no its not! it's realistic Oct 13 11:49:11 lopl Oct 13 11:49:15 *lol Oct 13 11:49:20 in NYC the McDonalds manager is with us oddly enough Oct 13 11:50:04 humanity is sacrificed for industry Oct 13 11:50:15 help can somtimes come from the most unlikely of places Oct 13 11:50:18 you cannot appeal to what's already been discharged Oct 13 11:50:28 anywho Oct 13 11:50:28 local cafes and such are helping with water refills & such (I don't know which exactly) Oct 13 11:50:32 people are not likely to risk their jobs for you Oct 13 11:50:42 jproulx: well thats the funny thing Oct 13 11:50:43 kate good point Oct 13 11:51:02 so what can you do? appeal not to their non-existant humanity Oct 13 11:51:10 but to that which has long ago taken their place Oct 13 11:51:13 Envy Oct 13 11:51:18 Katie: there is usually a bit of wiggle room in any job before you lose the job... :) Oct 13 11:51:23 jrabbit what's funny about it? Oct 13 11:51:26 hah Oct 13 11:51:26 * jones (~jones@76.164.rsi.tjz) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:51:28 yeah right Oct 13 11:51:35 not when you are a replaceable cog Oct 13 11:51:43 doesn't hurt to ask; at worse you get a no Oct 13 11:51:46 i lost my job last week Oct 13 11:51:49 btw Oct 13 11:51:52 jproulx: in NYC the small places banned us from using their facilities even as customers :P Oct 13 11:51:58 now all this free time Oct 13 11:52:04 when my savings run out Oct 13 11:52:06 hm Oct 13 11:52:08 well Oct 13 11:52:09 katie: hey, sorry to hear that. if someone is fired for being humane, then perhaps they can contribute to the cause Oct 13 11:52:11 jproulx: only the massive ones with too much beurocracy couldn't do that Oct 13 11:52:16 * OccupyBoston055 (~OccupyBos@v-92-21-13-356.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:52:23 i was laid off because "business is bad" Oct 13 11:52:31 i was working at a pizza place Oct 13 11:52:38 * OccupyBoston738 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 11:52:41 i've been making sandwiches for 6 years Oct 13 11:52:45 kate you're acquiring good karma by doing this :) Oct 13 11:52:47 * OccupyBoston055 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 11:52:51 haha Oct 13 11:52:56 karma... Oct 13 11:53:03 i don't know about that Oct 13 11:53:17 but what i do know is that there are a lot of people who hate their shitty jobs Oct 13 11:53:24 they need them to survive though Oct 13 11:53:26 so Oct 13 11:53:35 make them Know that you can help them survive without Oct 13 11:53:41 * OccupyBoston162 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 11:53:45 or that you can make their lives less shitty Oct 13 11:53:54 appeal to their selfish resentment Oct 13 11:53:57 not their humanity Oct 13 11:53:59 everyone who hates their shitty jobs should be greatful for them, Oct 13 11:54:00 few years ago, read 50% of all americans hate their jobs, must be higher now Oct 13 11:54:02 because they don't have any Oct 13 11:54:16 they should be greateful Oct 13 11:54:19 but they are not Oct 13 11:54:23 that is real i think Oct 13 11:54:28 not sure open to others opinions Oct 13 11:54:31 jprabbit: this is really a great point...it is too expensive for large corporations built on uniformity to cater to particular problems (like people coming in to use the bathroom, or electricity) Oct 13 11:54:41 that's right Oct 13 11:54:53 built on replaceability of the individual Oct 13 11:55:00 individuality means nothing Oct 13 11:55:08 you are a faceless nameless cog Oct 13 11:55:17 but no you're not really Oct 13 11:55:17 * OccupyBoston511 (~OccupyBos@w-83-05-637-681.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 13 11:55:23 so prove it? Oct 13 11:55:44 well i think most people have always hated their jobs, but now if youre lucky enough to find a job you find yourself cast into a working poor role. you used to be able to stand your shitty job long enough to move up, now we are stuck Oct 13 11:55:51 * Meskk has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 11:55:55 yes Oct 13 11:55:59 kate your truly feels people haven't lost their humanity, it's buried inside them Oct 13 11:56:06 maybe Oct 13 11:56:11 maybe it is Oct 13 11:56:17 esp the youngest Oct 13 11:56:43 but you aren't going to get it out while they are at work Oct 13 11:56:46 covered over by indoctrination & braibnwashing Oct 13 11:56:55 so make friends with the real person outsid eof work maybe that will be your in Oct 13 11:57:14 yes it is. years and years of convincing and tv ads and education Oct 13 11:57:21 * OccupyBoston831 (~OccupyBos@38.113.zw.h) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:57:24 * deinous (~deinous@z-29-67-669-58.hsd2.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:57:25 make friends for real with real people Oct 13 11:57:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Occupy Boston - Fuck the fed http://t.co/Q8pWSPSr #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/Beirutiyat/statuses/124513823137873920 Oct 13 11:57:31 we are human beings, first & foremost Oct 13 11:57:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Looks as if the corrupt #NYPD are not kidnapping people #WTF http://t.co/9xoIfKcc #ows #occupywallstreet #occupychi #occupyboston #occupyla - http://twitter.com/Deprogrammer9/statuses/124513901441318912 Oct 13 11:57:37 * OccupyBoston785 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 11:57:47 people are so isolated, noticed that?? how lonely we all are... everyone knows it. Oct 13 11:58:00 * axb21 (~abucci@74.118.li.ukq) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:58:02 we are human piggy banks and thats the problem, whenever the rick screw up they come smash us and steal our change Oct 13 11:58:05 battling against that hopelessness alone... Oct 13 11:58:07 word katie Oct 13 11:58:12 rich* Oct 13 11:58:21 system atomizes people- chomsky's words Oct 13 11:58:27 i sent you guys some boloco burritos- not a lot but just thought some warm food on a wet rainy day would be nice- let me know if you get them please Oct 13 11:58:50 aw what a kind gesture! That is how to win. Oct 13 11:58:59 * OccupyBoston401 (~OccupyBos@dthg-466-412.arnold-hall.simmons.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:59:05 Kindness will reconnect to humanity Oct 13 11:59:14 feeding eachother Oct 13 11:59:27 Hi Everyone. Good afternoon. I see that you need duck tape. Is there a specific brand or color that is needed? Oct 13 11:59:41 kate now you're talking! Oct 13 11:59:45 * Tracywork (~yaaic@769-248-201-758.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 11:59:49 :) Oct 13 11:59:58 * OccupyBoston348 (~OccupyBos@qyl36-crq-qnx-1.cisco.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:00:00 hey tracy Oct 13 12:00:06 Hi Oct 13 12:00:18 how you feeling today? Oct 13 12:00:21 ok so here it is: the revolution is won by cooking for eachother and smiling Oct 13 12:00:30 agreed Oct 13 12:00:38 there should be food all over the place Oct 13 12:00:44 Totally great but what about the duck tape? Oct 13 12:00:48 we should have communnity meals Oct 13 12:00:49 kate by sharing both material and inner riches Oct 13 12:01:03 there should be Dinner Time Oct 13 12:01:12 we all sit down and eat together Oct 13 12:01:14 * OccupyBoston348 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 12:01:17 around a fire if we can Oct 13 12:01:22 kate not a bad idea Oct 13 12:01:28 katie++ Oct 13 12:01:30 i like it Oct 13 12:01:32 OccupyBoston401: just the normal gray/silver is good. Oct 13 12:01:33 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: The Whitehaus Family Record will perform on Saturday from 4-6. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124514634333044736 Oct 13 12:01:34 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Also, tomorrow we have a couple of big non-music events... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124514846808096768 Oct 13 12:01:42 * davewilson (~robert@imry-09-967-991-14.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 13 12:01:46 Pot Luck Oct 13 12:01:49 triballiving for campers Oct 13 12:01:49 style Oct 13 12:01:55 yeah Oct 13 12:01:59 Awesome thanks. Have a good day. Stay dry in the rain. Oct 13 12:02:07 Katie: there's no mess hall Oct 13 12:02:08 https://plus.google.com/101960720994009339267/posts/ENuEDDYfvKP?hl=en Oct 13 12:02:09 :\ Oct 13 12:02:09 * OccupyBoston401 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 12:02:14 we eat outside Oct 13 12:02:18 or Build one Oct 13 12:02:26 big circle Oct 13 12:02:29 join tents and tarps Oct 13 12:02:38 around fire, tell stories Oct 13 12:02:41 laugh, smile Oct 13 12:02:44 have a good time Oct 13 12:02:47 * OccupyBoston194 (~OccupyBos@t-02-29-53-928.hsd4.ct.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:02:48 make the others want to join us Oct 13 12:02:52 * OccupyBoston194 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 12:02:52 because we have such a good time Oct 13 12:02:55 we have good food Oct 13 12:03:04 we are warm and together Oct 13 12:03:11 and That is revolution Oct 13 12:03:27 food, friends, sharing, smiling, being happy Oct 13 12:03:28 leading by example Oct 13 12:03:35 Happiness is revolutionart Oct 13 12:03:38 no fire Oct 13 12:03:42 ok no fire Oct 13 12:03:45 :) Oct 13 12:03:48 i understand Oct 13 12:04:00 oh i mean "revolutionary Oct 13 12:04:15 when are people happy? when do they smile?? Oct 13 12:04:28 alone in front of tv watching movies? hardly Oct 13 12:04:41 together at the dinner table, perhaps Oct 13 12:04:49 concerts are fun Oct 13 12:04:54 life is meant to be a joyful process Oct 13 12:04:58 but really, wall street is gray Oct 13 12:05:00 yes Oct 13 12:05:08 fall st :) Oct 13 12:05:18 life ought to be lived in happiness, isnt that what we're fighting for?? Oct 13 12:05:21 I hate TV Oct 13 12:05:27 so we ought to be the change we want to see Oct 13 12:05:28 * OccupyBoston831 (~OccupyBos@38.113.zw.h) has left #occupyboston Oct 13 12:05:33 i like some tv shows Oct 13 12:05:41 eating together sharing lifes riches Oct 13 12:05:47 i like cartoons.... Oct 13 12:05:49 lol Oct 13 12:06:08 one must be discerning in use of tv Oct 13 12:06:16 agreeed Oct 13 12:06:23 Rain stopped Oct 13 12:06:25 like any other entertainment Oct 13 12:06:27 nice Oct 13 12:06:42 allston is all wet here Oct 13 12:06:48 bet you guys are too Oct 13 12:07:01 i think i'll go down and suggest my Dinner Time idea Oct 13 12:07:07 * Kt|Away is now known as Kt Oct 13 12:07:09 thats helpful stuff i think Oct 13 12:07:17 kate yes Oct 13 12:07:21 maybe they'll like it Oct 13 12:07:37 we could do dinner at like 5:30 til 6 or something Oct 13 12:07:41 i don't know Oct 13 12:07:44 i'll talk to them Oct 13 12:07:51 maybe ask everyone at GA Oct 13 12:07:56 yes?? Oct 13 12:08:06 what do You guys say? Oct 13 12:08:16 do it Oct 13 12:08:23 ok Oct 13 12:08:27 yes Oct 13 12:08:32 boyd Oct 13 12:08:34 that's 2 Oct 13 12:08:43 lol Good Enough Oct 13 12:09:06 I'll write something up explaining my suggesting Oct 13 12:10:22 always bring forward any ideas, the worst that happens is they don't occur and doesn't make anyone less of a person for having suggested it Oct 13 12:10:49 * OccupyBoston238 (~OccupyBos@38.113.zw.h) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:11:01 any word on the burritos delivery? Oct 13 12:11:24 people just need to be willing to hear "no" in order to transcend self-inhibition Oct 13 12:11:37 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Also at 4 tomorrow: a discussion about Buddhism and social justice w/ Harvard Divinity School student Joe Hodgkin. In the spirituality tent. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124515712457900033 Oct 13 12:11:38 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: AND Sukkot Shabbat from 5-6 PM tomorrow. Location to come- presumably so we can accommodate numbers of people appropriately. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124515953856888832 Oct 13 12:11:46 "No" is a valid answer Oct 13 12:11:48 * SFOCC (~SFOCC@12.197.zn.s) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:11:57 kate absolutely Oct 13 12:11:59 perhaps it's not even a good idea for some Reason Oct 13 12:12:03 but it's nice Oct 13 12:12:09 it's in the spirit of things Oct 13 12:12:31 i won't mind if no one agrees Oct 13 12:12:37 for reals, i'm so coool Oct 13 12:12:38 sometimes telling others a half-baked idea gets it fully baked :) Oct 13 12:12:45 lol Oct 13 12:12:56 * OccupyBoston238 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 12:13:03 group mind Oct 13 12:13:06 Hrllo Oct 13 12:13:11 hi hi Oct 13 12:13:14 * MrTightJeans (~MrTightJe@12.191.mk.o) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:13:22 * Savagefish (~Pleb@193.243.hzx.rzv) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:13:39 i really do think the way to peoples hearts is though their stomaches Oct 13 12:13:48 that is why we all work Oct 13 12:13:49 or their nose Oct 13 12:13:54 to feed ourselves Oct 13 12:13:57 Huh?? lol Oct 13 12:14:22 no really! to feed clothe and to shelter, right? Oct 13 12:15:03 so this is where we win, with a better means to these ends, or at least to repair what's wrong with our current menas, right?? Oct 13 12:15:13 food clothing shelter are basic human needs and must become basic human rights Oct 13 12:15:18 yes. Oct 13 12:15:28 they ought to be Abilities Oct 13 12:15:45 for Rights can be taken and given like privilages from a master to a slave Oct 13 12:15:55 but the Ability is certain Oct 13 12:16:03 communications is another basic Oct 13 12:16:12 so some people are able but other people make it very hard Oct 13 12:16:17 unnecessarily hard Oct 13 12:16:53 egos make any process hard Oct 13 12:16:55 the owners of the means setting rules like rights and privilages... arbitrary authority Oct 13 12:17:16 those who hold the money Oct 13 12:17:23 egos will wear down. Oct 13 12:17:26 Tom morello is in NY. Can't we get some big name entertainment? Oct 13 12:17:47 we are third on the list behind NYC and LA Oct 13 12:18:04 human rights not granted bu some gov but rights derived by simple being born Oct 13 12:18:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] .@Boston_Police Speaks on its Genuine Attempts to Achieve Cooperation & Coordination with #OccupyBoston http://t.co/MDmv0bC9 - http://twitter.com/BostInnoHub/statuses/124519139619504128 Oct 13 12:18:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Boston Police Dept. Speaks on its "Genuine Attempts to Achieve Cooperation & Coordination" via Twitter w/ #OccupyBoston http://t.co/cPVZTOO7 - http://twitter.com/BostInnovation/statuses/124519178605576193 Oct 13 12:18:39 there is power outlets enough for a band to play there? Oct 13 12:18:56 forgive the poor spelling, but rather go with content over form :) Oct 13 12:19:02 Here's somehting i think: "rights" are always given by authorities, whether it's the constitution or the lawmakers or people setting rights for themselves Oct 13 12:19:10 BUT rights mean Nothing with out Ability Oct 13 12:19:18 rights are won when the soverign assembles and takes them back Oct 13 12:19:23 inherent human ability Oct 13 12:19:24 what good is the right to free speech if we are not Able? Oct 13 12:19:32 rights don't have names until people interfere with them Oct 13 12:19:39 so I say Ability trumps Right Oct 13 12:19:51 though rights are important to the political process Oct 13 12:19:57 Katie: in the rules of nature ability does trump right. Oct 13 12:19:58 * AdamKlugman (~AdamKlugm@n-26-15-85-378.hsd6.or.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:19:59 because of the nature of the maching Oct 13 12:20:05 but people are convinced to not use their ability by media Oct 13 12:20:06 *machine Oct 13 12:20:13 yes this is true Oct 13 12:20:19 or they are told they have no ability Oct 13 12:20:23 and by public education Oct 13 12:20:25 yes. Oct 13 12:20:25 or they really Don't have ability Oct 13 12:20:26 don't be fooled- the urge for freedom wasn't invented a little over 200 years ago Oct 13 12:20:27 yes Oct 13 12:20:40 hosap: no but the people got organized. Oct 13 12:20:41 some people are truly unable to speak Oct 13 12:20:52 what good is the right to them Oct 13 12:20:55 I am a progressiv e radio show in Portland Oregon and I would love to have someone from OB on my show to let the people here know what happened. Can anyone help me out onthat? Oct 13 12:21:13 so maybe we don't have the right to revolutionize, because authority fights us Oct 13 12:21:20 and during the enlightenment a lot of our political ideas were formed Oct 13 12:21:23 and rights are privilages given by authority Oct 13 12:21:27 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Emma_Goldman.jpg Oct 13 12:21:31 but we certainly have the ablity Oct 13 12:21:33 rights are also privileges taken by force Oct 13 12:21:37 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @jamarhlakauno: @Occupy_Boston video of visit last night. thanks for opp to speak. i am identifying spots to occupy. http://t.co/VGYHGa5i - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124519697889767424 Oct 13 12:21:37 yes Oct 13 12:21:38 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @jamarhlakauno thanks for your visit and your words! You definitely energized and inspired us. much love. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124519839552380928 Oct 13 12:21:53 if you organize the people you can take you don't have to ask Oct 13 12:22:02 what i think right now: we ought to focus on ability rather than rights Oct 13 12:22:09 humans have desired liberation from when we first came out of the trees or where ever the hell we came from :) Oct 13 12:22:17 lol Oct 13 12:22:18 we were free in the trees, hosap Oct 13 12:22:19 yeah Oct 13 12:22:27 we are always free Oct 13 12:22:31 mikey you got tit Oct 13 12:22:36 Adam, I don't think anyone from camp is on right now Oct 13 12:22:56 they are free to oppress and we are free to be oppressed, but we are also free to turn the tables Oct 13 12:22:59 Anyone who was in Boston during the arrest willing to come on my radio show and talk about it...name of show is Mad as hell in America Oct 13 12:23:02 "it" forgive me sisters :) Oct 13 12:23:02 * OccupyBoston134 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 12:23:06 we are free so far as we are able... Oct 13 12:23:09 lol, rhymes Oct 13 12:23:18 Katie: yes. but they haven't even started to do things to break our will. Oct 13 12:23:22 Oh i was there right before the arrents Oct 13 12:23:24 * MrTightJeans has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 12:23:27 Katie: it's going to be hard :( Oct 13 12:23:27 the tide is turning Oct 13 12:23:35 yes it is going to be hard Oct 13 12:23:36 * Tracywork has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 13 12:23:43 it is already hard Oct 13 12:23:45 hard and a long road Oct 13 12:23:52 they've been working to break our will since we were born Oct 13 12:23:56 Katie...can you, or some fromthe Media tent, come on the show to explain what happened? Oct 13 12:23:56 I was there during the arrests but unfortunately I do not feel comfortable speaking for the group on a radio show Oct 13 12:24:02 no tear gas yet, no active denial system, no cops firing automatic weapons into the crowds Oct 13 12:24:08 * spacechip (~spacechip@d-57-438-851-391.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:24:24 well i don't have much to offer but to say this: People were peacefully gathers Oct 13 12:24:28 *gathered Oct 13 12:24:29 if you think they're above that, you're giving them too much credit. Oct 13 12:24:32 Can you contact someone from the media tent and ask them to contact me? I was talking to someone call Kadash??? Oct 13 12:24:46 they were talking to each other and making signs and hanging out Oct 13 12:25:06 AdamKlugman: how should they contact you? Oct 13 12:25:06 the police offered ultimatums, they were recognized but disobeyed Oct 13 12:25:17 then, arresting- Oct 13 12:25:21 Does anyone know how I could reach out ot multiple OCCUPY media sources about a documentary we're trying to promote in support of OCCUPY movements across the country Oct 13 12:25:22 ??? Oct 13 12:25:30 adam@madashellinamerica.com or call my cell 503.706.2006 Oct 13 12:25:35 * OccupyBoston194 (~OccupyBos@ilgha5.modicon.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:25:53 Adam is that in ref to my ? Oct 13 12:26:11 AdamKlugman: I will be back at camp by 4-5 pm unfortunately I can't do it sooner, but if I see anyone here who is at camp and talking, I will relay through them Oct 13 12:26:11 Vincere...didn't get the final thought...say agin? Oct 13 12:26:33 Big whopper...say again? Oct 13 12:26:44 Vincere...thanks! Oct 13 12:27:22 Adam, I was just wondering if you email and phone # response was in regaurds to my question about spreading a link to a video trailer for huge support documentary I am promoting for the movement. Oct 13 12:27:26 BigWhopper99: unfortunately there is no cohesion between the media at various occupy camps currently Oct 13 12:27:36 I see. Oct 13 12:27:51 send the link to my email ad. I will post it on my FB page. About 10k users... Oct 13 12:28:13 fb=mad as hell in america. Check it out. pretty active page. Oct 13 12:28:14 isn't there a lot online you can find if you look?? each place has its page and each page has info Oct 13 12:28:32 BigWhopper99: integration between the movements is something we discussed this morning actually, and occupy boston is making a push today forward to maintain better contact with other occupy's Oct 13 12:28:36 and if you can get to these places you can find people Oct 13 12:28:45 Katie...I want a live person...it keeps it real and human Oct 13 12:28:49 * Tracywork (~yaaic@72-950-68-104.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:28:55 https://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=cThxYmJtaDlxMm1tZHBqcWE3OTYxZnVhMDggOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw&ctz=America/New_York&gsessionid=OK Oct 13 12:29:06 * Tracywork has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 12:29:07 i see. but i think you can use the internets to find real people on the other side...? Oct 13 12:29:11 act locally, connect globally Oct 13 12:29:13 * spacechip has quit (Quit: spacechip) Oct 13 12:29:17 yes. Oct 13 12:29:47 saturday big day for global movement Oct 13 12:29:55 oh is it? Oct 13 12:29:55 * PseudoMe02 (~PseudoMe0@406-999-959-980-kkpxljymsz.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:30:03 what, some plans?? Oct 13 12:30:04 It's also solidarity thing...I want to bring all the groups together on my show to show each other our support and remind us we are NOT ALONE! Oct 13 12:30:17 http://www.15october.net/ Oct 13 12:30:23 sorry for caps...hits the lock Oct 13 12:30:45 SEND ADAM from bigwhopperfilms@gmail.com Oct 13 12:30:48 SENT* Oct 13 12:30:48 http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2011/10/04/occupy-together-movement-snapshot-218098-participants-in-147-movement-centers-usa/ Oct 13 12:30:55 nice pic Oct 13 12:31:06 Hello from SF Oct 13 12:31:12 hi hi Oct 13 12:31:16 du contrat social ou principes du droit politique Oct 13 12:31:18 dam which radio conglomerate is your station part of Oct 13 12:31:24 thanks big w hopper. I will check it out. Oct 13 12:31:25 adam Oct 13 12:31:28 * OccupyBoston561 (~OccupyBos@r-66-73-83-796.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:31:42 Thank you. The video is not up yet, but its rendering and being uploaded within the hour to the KS page. Oct 13 12:31:50 MikeyG: quoi? Oct 13 12:31:59 hey frisco what's happening out there? Oct 13 12:32:00 And of course, all my facebook pages. Oct 13 12:32:04 * OccupyBoston140 (~OccupyBos@otff-36-822-6-272.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:32:14 hello all Oct 13 12:32:17 hi Oct 13 12:32:24 hey 140 Oct 13 12:32:25 what's the words?? Oct 13 12:32:25 That's the bad news ghost...I am left of left show on a progressive Station =AM 620 KPOJ...but it is Clear Channell owned Oct 13 12:32:37 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Social_Contract Oct 13 12:32:40 Another day in the occupation of the federal reserve. Oct 13 12:32:46 how are people holding up in the rain Oct 13 12:32:48 niiice Oct 13 12:33:02 I'm listening to KPOJ now.. it's a progressive station which supports the movement heavily Oct 13 12:33:05 adam you're so left you're right? :) Oct 13 12:33:14 But they never tel me what to say or what not to say. Oct 13 12:33:15 The rain lasted about two days. Luckily enough we were able to have tarps up through it. Oct 13 12:33:15 * Jajaja (~Jajaja@ktk-190-16-096-21.wireless.brandeis.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:33:16 Hey Oct 13 12:33:26 we, being separate from the operating government, have the people to change things. it's built into our government by people who thankfully thought like we think now :) let's call a constitutional convention and get this party started. Oct 13 12:33:37 have the power to change things* Oct 13 12:33:44 Left...very left. Left of Hartmann Oct 13 12:33:50 Let's get Zack de la Rocha :) Oct 13 12:33:59 ahaah Oct 13 12:34:03 the whole station line up across the board ...supports Occupy Oct 13 12:34:08 is he even still alive Oct 13 12:34:13 check me out @ madashellinamerica.com...you'll see Oct 13 12:34:17 of course Zack is still alive Oct 13 12:34:17 omfg Oct 13 12:34:23 lol Oct 13 12:34:23 he's the fucking man Oct 13 12:34:27 obvi Oct 13 12:34:30 <3 Oct 13 12:34:39 but hvent heard a thing since i was like 15 Oct 13 12:34:44 maybe im the deaf one Oct 13 12:34:45 so ive been thinking that we need to make a big statement and occupy either the state house or city hall Oct 13 12:34:56 :,( yeah rage hasn't put much out...they reunited though :D Oct 13 12:34:59 yes. big and loud but loud with laughter Oct 13 12:35:11 nice Oct 13 12:35:40 * imwithya (~imwithya@xqzo-293-8-24-637.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:35:57 ok this is cheezy but bear with me: happiness is revolutionary, they will want to join us when they see us smile Oct 13 12:36:09 * Jajaja has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 12:36:10 at the knowledge that we've won already Oct 13 12:36:11 we have to peacefully disrupt the business of greed in order to really make a difference and we need to do it every time we can Oct 13 12:36:16 Katie...not cheezy at all. I like it! Oct 13 12:36:21 Thanks Oct 13 12:36:21 * imwithya has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 12:36:23 * BigWhopper99 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 12:36:32 i really do feel that way! Oct 13 12:36:49 infectious positivity = good idea Oct 13 12:36:54 * BigWhopper99 (~BigWhoppe@lsdb-48-104-05-234.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:36:55 If we're not dancing at the revolution were doing something wrong! Oct 13 12:36:58 * DannyFuciu (~DannyFuci@v001-070-199-85.hsc.xlate.ufl.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:36:59 so whos in charge of planning these marches at dewey Oct 13 12:37:01 YEAH! Oct 13 12:37:03 there are many ways to make progress with occupy Oct 13 12:37:07 * OccupyBoston561 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 12:37:09 * AdamKlugman has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 12:37:11 Somebody say Hi! To Skeet Surrency for me Oct 13 12:37:12 yes there are many ways Oct 13 12:37:24 hey pseudo and copy that Oct 13 12:37:33 many ways and i would like to stand for happiness Oct 13 12:37:38 hey.. hosap ... how's you been? Oct 13 12:37:39 that's my chosen thing Oct 13 12:37:47 katie is the minister of happiness Oct 13 12:37:48 It's Danny from Florida. We're getting it started down here in Gainesville. We had a 1 night permit but we're going back tonight! Say Hi to Skeet for me! Oct 13 12:37:50 I'm trying to come up today Oct 13 12:37:57 LOL! Oct 13 12:37:59 * DannyFuciu has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 12:38:01 :D Oct 13 12:38:12 around 5 I hope Oct 13 12:38:14 * aldiyen has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) Oct 13 12:38:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @jasonpaulin: Welcome to the United Police States of America ... http://t.co/FwnuWMrw #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/ZachNewsAlerts/statuses/124524093960753152 Oct 13 12:38:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @biohabit: Poll: Occupy Wall St. much more popular than Obama, tea party - http://t.co/j2kVDlDp #ows #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/nika7k/statuses/124524165985349632 Oct 13 12:38:31 Danny: You had permit to assemble? Oct 13 12:38:32 movement must organize while maintaining an amorphous structure- tough for oligarchy to nail Oct 13 12:38:47 great statement .. hosap Oct 13 12:38:51 Oh I have heard of getting permits for protests Oct 13 12:39:03 i think that's silly. we should do this any way.. Oct 13 12:39:09 of course we Are Oct 13 12:39:20 pseudo never felt better in my life :) and You? Oct 13 12:39:22 but its public land why do we need a permit Oct 13 12:39:41 hosap: good idea. no one to pay off if we remain leaderless Oct 13 12:39:51 but we must remain on point. Oct 13 12:39:54 yeah... that's why its ridiculous. we are the public, it's our land. and even if it's private, who cares, we can stand there Oct 13 12:40:03 we haev the ability whether we have the right to or not Oct 13 12:40:10 so we ought to exercise our abilities Oct 13 12:40:12 * superjudgebunny has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 12:40:16 reguardless of our rights Oct 13 12:40:17 we do. we should. Oct 13 12:40:18 so who is in charge down at dewey Oct 13 12:40:19 hosap: planning on being at GA today ... and I am working on the foundation for Occupy Fall River Oct 13 12:40:25 yes we do and yes we should Oct 13 12:40:29 ahh i see what you meant by ability vs. right now Oct 13 12:40:33 sure, but do you want your message to be "we want to be able to protest here" or "we want economic justice"? Oct 13 12:40:34 yes Oct 13 12:40:44 all of it Oct 13 12:40:47 * superjudgebunny (~superjudg@382-91-764-69.client.mchsi.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:40:49 * OccupyBoston194 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 12:40:54 katie you're an asset. keep it going. Oct 13 12:40:56 psudo more power to you Oct 13 12:40:59 we can protest, we want justice Oct 13 12:41:08 MikeyG you are an asset Oct 13 12:41:12 you at Dewey? hosap Oct 13 12:41:14 Keep it going Oct 13 12:41:19 well we want to protest here so we can tell you how much we want economic justice. Oct 13 12:41:21 no Oct 13 12:41:32 ty :) Oct 13 12:41:41 you have made me feel good. this is the revolution in my insides Oct 13 12:42:07 your truly is in here in metaphysical support :) Oct 13 12:42:09 i have been a battlefield, i have been covered in my own lonely self-lacerating blood Oct 13 12:42:10 * OccupyBoston429 (~OccupyBos@g-90-289-265-158.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:42:16 legal is still hosting the civil disobedience meeting at 8pm by the ghandi statue? Oct 13 12:42:20 but i smile now as the sun rises Oct 13 12:42:33 and you validate my new born hapinesss Oct 13 12:42:36 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @allison_francis the tweeter asking this question isn't the same tweeter who posted that. Confusing, I know. Haha. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124521295009423360 Oct 13 12:42:42 there's a ghandi statue in boston? Oct 13 12:42:45 support of all kinds are welcome ... you know that ..hosap Oct 13 12:42:47 * OccupyBoston661 (~OccupyBos@155.33.mmk.hzw) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:42:50 and this happiness which i should not have the ability left to feel is the revolution in me Oct 13 12:42:55 lol Oct 13 12:43:03 * seekr has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 12:43:06 * OccupyBoston661 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 12:43:10 first free your mind Oct 13 12:43:16 and the rest will follow Oct 13 12:43:18 lol Oct 13 12:43:23 sorry i had to Oct 13 12:43:25 :) Oct 13 12:43:32 ;) Oct 13 12:43:34 positivity and love will melt away the media's spell on the masses. Oct 13 12:43:41 I agree Oct 13 12:43:43 they have no idea what that even feels like anymore Oct 13 12:43:47 * seekr (~Foo@587-4-64-027.c6-3.smr-ubr9.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:43:56 look at what they focus on! Oct 13 12:43:58 is anyone on here serious about making change because the only way that happens is we get organized with a clear message, spokepeople, and start occupying places like the state house, city hall, blockading the financial bldgs downtown. we have to make em hurt where it counts Oct 13 12:44:05 so cynical, so pessimistic Oct 13 12:44:06 funkadelic said free your mind and your a-- will follow :) Oct 13 12:44:08 * daddylynyrd (daddylynyr@jhhb-07-405-78-55.gsp.bellsouth.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:44:20 creating a coordinated nationwide net of communication between all the Occupys would be useful Oct 13 12:44:24 haha! Oct 13 12:44:42 pseudo essential Oct 13 12:44:47 to develop unified strategy Oct 13 12:44:52 we need to do this now while we still have youtube, twitter, fb, irc, etc.. Oct 13 12:44:59 agreed Oct 13 12:45:00 and subsequent tactics Oct 13 12:45:01 PseudoMe02: I'd like to see that as well. Portland's has been streaming Anonymous. Oct 13 12:45:04 remember these companies are controlled by the 1%. Oct 13 12:45:08 yes they are Oct 13 12:45:10 * cephaline (~Baloo@m-733-05.a237.priv.bahnhof.se) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:45:20 hey ..my friend hazard ..good to see you Oct 13 12:45:30 if social media taken away, we all hit the streets Oct 13 12:45:37 agreed Oct 13 12:45:39 anonpress does a pretty good job on fb. Oct 13 12:45:45 sorry to interupt peeps Oct 13 12:45:48 alright guys -- the most important thing for us right now is to determine if there is any particular gear that is lacking in any occupations, as well as legit groups that need premium accounts. PLZ tell people contact OUTREACH@GLOBALREVOLUTION.TV SOON! Oct 13 12:45:50 if we have our feet we can walk to eachother Oct 13 12:45:51 hosap: if we all hit the streets we must do it in solidarity Oct 13 12:45:54 hey haz Oct 13 12:45:56 we can all meet in chicago Oct 13 12:46:08 i'll go to chicago Oct 13 12:46:11 all 210,000 of us Oct 13 12:46:11 mikey it will happen spontaneously Oct 13 12:46:21 * OccupyBoston429 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 12:46:21 or however many there are now Oct 13 12:46:25 hosap: that's called a riot, they are easily broken up / divided / conquered. Oct 13 12:46:36 * daddylynyrd (daddylynyr@jhhb-07-405-78-55.gsp.bellsouth.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 13 12:46:38 Adam, video updloading if you are still here. Oct 13 12:46:44 uploading* Oct 13 12:46:47 we will hold hands smile and sing as they throw us all to the ground Oct 13 12:46:48 simultaneous tactics across the nation would make an enormous impact on the 1% ..the would very very nervous Oct 13 12:46:57 and when we get out of jail we'll reunite Oct 13 12:47:03 and hug eachother Oct 13 12:47:06 people are laughing at us because of this shit. noone is organized, no clear message. we look like a bunch of idiots Oct 13 12:47:12 NO! Oct 13 12:47:16 mikey what if everyone is simply marching along the sidewalks? a big bunch of pedestrians Oct 13 12:47:17 we are not idiots, we are gaining support. this is tage 1. Oct 13 12:47:21 we look like the first democracy ever Oct 13 12:47:30 babies learning to walk Oct 13 12:47:36 soon learn to run Oct 13 12:47:42 and grow up to be men and women Oct 13 12:47:43 thats stupid the first democracy was formed over bloodshed Oct 13 12:47:44 never allow the opposition to dictate method .... let them laugh Oct 13 12:47:55 um Oct 13 12:47:58 anybody think the police in NY are going to beat up tons of people at the Times Sq protest Saturday? Oct 13 12:47:59 roger pseudo Oct 13 12:48:05 I I think you're wrong 140. It's why I'm doing this documentary project, to show people we're not idiots, we have purpose... Oct 13 12:48:18 http://www.theoccupationparty.com/ Oct 13 12:48:23 openness and patience is a thing they do not understand ...yet Oct 13 12:48:23 i disagree with 140 Oct 13 12:48:26 * aldiyen (~aldiyen@qbxzgf-795-302-734-3.mas.onecommunications.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:48:33 i hope nobody gets hurt http://www.theoccupationparty.com/ Oct 13 12:48:35 there is no Real democracy in the world yet Oct 13 12:48:42 no full force one Oct 13 12:48:45 * bostongeorge (~bostongeo@g-90-289-265-158.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:48:59 i mean, not one yet that's really really democracy Oct 13 12:49:03 we need to form a clear leadership group having no claer head to this is the 1st problem Oct 13 12:49:07 I tink though, that the occupy movement, needs to come up with a communication system, like an IM service, for instant communication simulcasting...that would be HUGE. Oct 13 12:49:10 * EmpathizeForChange (~Empathize@69.41.vk.zsk) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:49:10 ghostincubicle: maybe they will, maybe they wont. understand the risks, understand the reward. feel your convictions swell, and rely on your own feeling of right and wrong. Oct 13 12:49:12 good morning good peoples Oct 13 12:49:12 Massachusetts has always been the epicenter of change Oct 13 12:49:22 * EmpathizeForChange has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 12:49:23 systemic change will take a while to enact Oct 13 12:49:24 gm .. bostongeorge Oct 13 12:49:27 and the cops beat the shit out of you realize you're taking every punch for what you believe in Oct 13 12:49:31 bg hey Oct 13 12:49:31 There should be an App for that Oct 13 12:49:36 correct .. hosap Oct 13 12:49:48 uh no mikey thats insane i would cry in pain Oct 13 12:50:06 those pains are the birth of democracy Oct 13 12:50:14 how is everyone at camp this morning? just running some errands and gonna head back down Oct 13 12:50:16 perhaps Oct 13 12:50:24 there are many ways to avoid alienating the police ...they are not our opposition Oct 13 12:50:25 * OccupyBoston067 (~OccupyBos@38.104.tzn.ppk) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:50:29 Pretty sure the Greeks engaged in real democracy, with everyone out to vote and they would rope people off to get an idea of which opinion had more people Oct 13 12:50:31 sf just blocked wells fargo why have we not done something like that yet. Oct 13 12:50:33 hey pseud Oct 13 12:50:36 there are too many people for a true democracy Oct 13 12:50:39 * OccupyWorcester (~OccupyWor@84-687-114-238.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:50:41 015 and they did it without the internet! Oct 13 12:50:42 but Greeks held slaves Oct 13 12:50:50 and they hated non-greeks Oct 13 12:50:56 they take orders ... for now Oct 13 12:51:01 and they smell like feta Oct 13 12:51:07 and i'm not sure, but were women allowed to vote? Oct 13 12:51:12 bah- Oct 13 12:51:12 no Oct 13 12:51:14 in time ....they will refuse to take those orders Oct 13 12:51:15 see Oct 13 12:51:22 pseudome are you at camp today Oct 13 12:51:33 occupy anarchy Oct 13 12:51:41 * OccupyBoston140 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 12:51:43 I'm making arrangements to come by around 5 Oct 13 12:51:46 oh anarchy, i have an idea about that: Oct 13 12:51:53 I'm still south Oct 13 12:51:59 i'm sure you do Oct 13 12:52:00 awesome... i'd like to say hi Oct 13 12:52:03 yeah, but its still democracy, they just had a different concept of who the "all" was Oct 13 12:52:05 got a few meetings to tie up Oct 13 12:52:13 just as the US has had a changing concept of who the voter is Oct 13 12:52:20 anarchy = no gov is a good gov :) Oct 13 12:52:23 working on Occupy Fall River Oct 13 12:52:34 ok ready? here goes: anarchy is the original state of society and the world. all social contracts and constructs and systems are created in reaction to the chaos Oct 13 12:52:48 organization is a reaction to disorganization Oct 13 12:52:50 nice... they need it down there Oct 13 12:52:55 anarchy is not chaos Oct 13 12:52:55 anarchy is the backbone of all society Oct 13 12:53:02 community is the fundamental structure of humanity Oct 13 12:53:08 it's people locally taking care of things together Oct 13 12:53:17 just a thought Oct 13 12:53:21 working together for the common benefit Oct 13 12:53:22 i want to visit occupy seatle so much, did you guys watch theier channel last night Oct 13 12:53:22 throry of anarchy predicated on the inherent goodness of humans Oct 13 12:53:36 i know a girl from allston named katie she has a mohawk sort of Oct 13 12:53:41 not Me Oct 13 12:53:58 kate must be from another tribe :) Oct 13 12:54:04 lol Oct 13 12:54:09 the mohawk tribe Oct 13 12:54:22 i am from the tribe of Pratt Oct 13 12:54:24 people are borne in a neutral state with primary needs ...they are then socialized in acceptable behavior Oct 13 12:54:28 we are a tribe now Oct 13 12:54:30 i had one in the eighties lol Oct 13 12:54:45 we should all learn native american languages Oct 13 12:54:49 haha Oct 13 12:54:55 so the cops need codetalkers Oct 13 12:54:56 hosap, i think that bond was made monday night Oct 13 12:55:13 native societies here were exterminated because they were far too selfish for emerging capitalism Oct 13 12:55:39 ghost or at the very least indigenous philosophy- 7th generation and all that Oct 13 12:55:44 * theDeweyDemon (~theDeweyD@216.236.tks.zuj) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 12:55:47 selfless... oops big time Oct 13 12:56:02 oh hey a thought, here goes: Anarchy is the absence of government, government was set up as a reaction to the absence thereof?? Oct 13 12:56:04 let Oct 13 12:56:11 bg roger on monday night Oct 13 12:56:30 correctly directed government is a possitive thing Oct 13 12:56:45 is there another big march like last mondays coming up? Oct 13 12:56:49 government is at best an expedient? Oct 13 12:56:53 goverment structed to benefit the few ...is not good Oct 13 12:57:13 but it was not the government what settled the west, it was the character inherent in the american people Oct 13 12:57:20 a lot of law founded on the theory of "dog eat dog"- darwinian socialism Oct 13 12:57:23 it was genocide Oct 13 12:57:43 humans are not dogs Oct 13 12:57:49 important to remember Oct 13 12:57:58 we treated native americans and africans like dogs Oct 13 12:58:08 we're far less hairy than dogs :) Oct 13 12:58:09 oh but wouldn't they like you to think that, to treat yourself and your neighbors that way Oct 13 12:58:21 well, most of us, hosap Oct 13 12:58:29 we can learn much from those native cultures which were exterminated because they conflicted with the individual profit motive Oct 13 12:58:30 lol Oct 13 12:58:32 Here's a trailer of the documentary we're doing here in Boston and trying to spread to the rest of the country.. Oct 13 12:58:33 i know some hairy guys and some hairless dogs Oct 13 12:58:35 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thesinglelife/occupation-america-0 Oct 13 12:58:46 * OccupyBoston067 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 12:58:46 pseudo absolutely Oct 13 12:59:01 kate again lol Oct 13 12:59:12 :D Oct 13 12:59:20 * SFOCC has quit () Oct 13 12:59:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] America won't back down from peaceful protests - we're w/ #OccupyWallSt #OWS #OccupyBoston http://t.co/29mgzDpu - http://twitter.com/LogicalCitizens/statuses/124529500422803456 Oct 13 12:59:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Who is the 99% anyway? http://t.co/gzIdcVhy #WeAreThe99 #OWS #OccupyTogether #OccupyBoston #TaxTheRich #FuckYouGOP #FuckYouWashington #USdor - http://twitter.com/panda317/statuses/124529529929744384 Oct 13 12:59:40 just because there has not been a successful mass society based on common human need ... in no way means it can not be achieved Oct 13 12:59:42 Hey Big Whopper: I like that you're making a documentary, but i have a suggestion/comment: Oct 13 12:59:55 some indigenous groups have stated support for the movement Oct 13 12:59:56 First the comment: the Doom-Music isn't good for anyone Oct 13 13:00:05 it's too scarey, you'll turn people off Oct 13 13:00:11 Suggestion next: Oct 13 13:00:22 Make it Appealing, not Scarey Oct 13 13:00:29 less Doom, more Hope Oct 13 13:00:40 less Scare, more Love Oct 13 13:00:44 * theDeweyDemon has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 13:00:52 Mao and Chou En Lai .. made great strides in developing a society based on need and not greed Oct 13 13:00:56 great music vid at the end of that video bigwhopp Oct 13 13:01:03 one down thousands to go - Hedge-Fund Chief Rajaratnam Gets 11 Years Oct 13 13:01:06 * OccupyBoston502 (~OccupyBos@kluj-73-026-181-500.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:01:13 ill see what i can do with the music. thanks for the suggestsion Oct 13 13:01:15 suggestion Oct 13 13:01:18 there are many many many in China who would join our movement Oct 13 13:01:19 :) Oct 13 13:01:27 documentary at this point seems opportunistic Oct 13 13:01:41 Oh we should def go international with this occupy stuff Oct 13 13:01:49 Already have Oct 13 13:01:49 we ought to be global community Oct 13 13:01:53 the peeps in china are busy dying for all the crap we own at our apartments Oct 13 13:01:55 the world is already watching Oct 13 13:01:56 oh good Oct 13 13:01:58 pseudo practically everyone in the world would join Oct 13 13:02:18 will join us .. more positive :) but I agree with you hosap Oct 13 13:02:19 well we ought to continue being global then! :) Oct 13 13:02:22 occupytogether.org gives you an idea of how global this has become Oct 13 13:02:31 http://15october.net/ Oct 13 13:02:31 Positivity is so important Oct 13 13:02:46 i will keep saying it: Happiness is the revolution Oct 13 13:02:47 correct Katie Oct 13 13:03:03 Happiness is the goal of revolution Oct 13 13:03:05 * OccupyBoston502 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 13:03:16 a joyous evolution Oct 13 13:03:18 We ought to avoid any doom and destruction Oct 13 13:03:21 yes Oct 13 13:03:24 evolve to joy Oct 13 13:03:27 yes Oct 13 13:03:30 sharing the resources the earth offers us Oct 13 13:03:39 yes Oct 13 13:03:53 the measure of a persons greatness ought not be their ability to survive through the depths of suffering but to rise to the heights of happiness Oct 13 13:04:00 to Enjoy life Oct 13 13:04:06 eradicting indivdual greed sanctioned by a corrupted government Oct 13 13:04:08 not simply to bear it Oct 13 13:04:19 sharing could be the 1 demand Oct 13 13:04:31 yes, sharing with love because we care, wouldn't that be Nice? Oct 13 13:04:46 not because we Have to , but be cause we Can and want to Oct 13 13:04:59 what would msm do with demand to share? Oct 13 13:05:04 * OccupyBoston005 (~OccupyBos@87-285-152-605.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:05:12 Just a comment on the love/care/share thing. That is great, but way to "hippie" for 99% of people to get behind Oct 13 13:05:13 a spiritually based movement ... rather than a materially based one ... Oct 13 13:05:18 HAHA Oct 13 13:05:23 that's so true Oct 13 13:05:36 pseud metaphysical :) Oct 13 13:05:37 they have no humanity left, or it is buried under resentment Oct 13 13:05:51 * OccupyBoston917 (~OccupyBos@ouy1-cwa-frk-6.cisco.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:06:03 humanity deep asleep in some Oct 13 13:06:06 they are all too miserable, they don't know what happiness even is. they don't believe in it at all! Oct 13 13:06:19 rolling a ball over a hill is only strenuous til you reach the crest Oct 13 13:06:19 all they can feel is fight and destroy Oct 13 13:06:37 we are at the base of a hill Oct 13 13:06:42 unless you have to chase it down the hill Oct 13 13:06:42 i dont know about anyone else, but im perturbed at people calling me a "hippie" online.. isn't that kind of impossible to tell.. unless they have somehow found a picture of me on halloween 1999 Oct 13 13:06:44 and you slip Oct 13 13:06:45 and fall Oct 13 13:06:52 hahaha Oct 13 13:07:01 "hippies" how cute. Oct 13 13:07:14 what a cute little way to marginalize Oct 13 13:07:15 21st century hippies Oct 13 13:07:22 im more like a cross between a cowboy and a drunk irishman Oct 13 13:07:22 ok so the biggest issue i'm finding Oct 13 13:07:25 the myth of just rewards coming after death (scratches head) :) Oct 13 13:07:29 with people supporting/not supporting occupy Oct 13 13:07:34 oh those "peace-lovers" what a bunch of "hippies" so easy to brush aside Oct 13 13:07:40 who practice urban guerilla class action Oct 13 13:07:40 everyone assumes that everyone there is unhappy with their lives Oct 13 13:07:44 I'm not calling anyone a hippie. I'm just saying that is how the media and other groups want to categorize occupy. and thats how its going to be if we keep trying to be peace and love Oct 13 13:07:51 and protesting circumstances that made their lives not ideal Oct 13 13:07:52 haha Oct 13 13:08:06 there have always been hippies through out history- they just dressed differently Oct 13 13:08:10 but peace and love are what we must be in the face even of the media Oct 13 13:08:11 t kind of looks like a hippie festival though to be fair Oct 13 13:08:17 And im not saying that peace and love is wrong, I agree. I just wanted to bring up that a significant # of people will tune us out for talking like that Oct 13 13:08:18 tell you what.. my 62 year old mother - retired teacher is occupying Ft Myers Oct 13 13:08:24 any life based on selfishness, greed and fear is antithetical to the ideal of HAPPINESS Oct 13 13:08:25 call her a hippie Oct 13 13:08:27 haha Oct 13 13:08:34 people are unhappy, that's why this is happening Oct 13 13:08:41 Check out cnn.com or foxnews.com and plenty of people have Oct 13 13:08:48 or else we wouldn't need to occupy anything Oct 13 13:08:52 but does it have to be specific to like Oct 13 13:09:00 why would i check out news from the enemy? Oct 13 13:09:04 we want to be happy: so be the change you want to see Oct 13 13:09:05 "i'm unemployed, i'm protesting lack of jobs, hoping that i'll end up with a job" Oct 13 13:09:06 Diogenes- first hippie in recorded history? Oct 13 13:09:11 i have a job Oct 13 13:09:12 haha Oct 13 13:09:17 a pretty good one Oct 13 13:09:19 I got laid off from my job last week Oct 13 13:09:22 i like my company Oct 13 13:09:24 see Oct 13 13:09:25 my boss said "business is bad" Oct 13 13:09:29 THAT'S why i'm protesting Oct 13 13:09:33 i am a musician. does that count as a job? Oct 13 13:09:34 i've been a sandwich maker for 6 years now Oct 13 13:09:34 i don't WANT to be laid off Oct 13 13:09:40 the mass is in America is getting more and more unhappy each passing day Oct 13 13:09:43 musician counts as job Oct 13 13:09:49 i am a painter Oct 13 13:09:53 because the masses listen to "the enemy"? Oct 13 13:09:53 i'm concerned that we're heading for worse times Oct 13 13:09:54 nice.. i do occationally get paid Oct 13 13:09:57 but i also make sandwiches Oct 13 13:10:00 well, used to Oct 13 13:10:03 the 99% is beginning to wake up to it's power Oct 13 13:10:04 and i see enough people who are unhappy Oct 13 13:10:07 hah! not any more! Oct 13 13:10:07 suggestion for sign: "I now have an honest occupation" Oct 13 13:10:17 that i support the movement on their behalf Oct 13 13:10:19 katie is cool, as far as i can tell Oct 13 13:10:33 Aw!! Thanks Oct 13 13:10:40 you're not the katie working on the website are you? Oct 13 13:10:46 Not me! Oct 13 13:10:48 kate is dyn-o-mite! :) Oct 13 13:10:50 sign idea - "occupy this, sucka!" Oct 13 13:10:51 jk Oct 13 13:10:57 :D !! Oct 13 13:11:05 Rendering a new version with happier music. Oct 13 13:11:06 anyone see that facebook meme Oct 13 13:11:06 you guys are making me feel so good right now Oct 13 13:11:15 "i am NOT the 99%, because i made the right choices" Oct 13 13:11:20 ? Oct 13 13:11:23 big alright! Oct 13 13:11:26 I don't want to see the typical "feel good puppies and kitties" bull shit Oct 13 13:11:30 good katie be happy Oct 13 13:11:31 * Shidash (~Shidash@44-01-31-790-ddofznrx2t.bu.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:11:33 That would be wrong, too Oct 13 13:11:36 the correct choice is not joining the greedy Oct 13 13:11:41 but it should be positive Oct 13 13:11:48 there days are numbered Oct 13 13:11:55 because we are trying to make this world a better place Oct 13 13:12:05 * ElliottTheMedic (~ElliottTh@d-69-21-930-860.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:12:07 well, not yet Oct 13 13:12:07 so we ought to Be that better Oct 13 13:12:10 the arrogance of power is the means to their fall Oct 13 13:12:13 hey folks Oct 13 13:12:17 you're still figuring out how to do that Oct 13 13:12:18 hi hi! Oct 13 13:12:22 hey ell Oct 13 13:12:22 what are we discussing? Oct 13 13:12:24 our days are numbered, that is why this has to continue.. never back down Oct 13 13:12:34 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @massuniting: Joining @SEIU615, @AFL-CIO, @MassJWJ and others at @Occupy_Boston Oct 13 13:12:35 TODAY. Rally 3:30, March 5:30. #OccupyBoston - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124532783820447744 Oct 13 13:12:36 is anyone at camp? Oct 13 13:12:36 Happiness, hippies, solutions, music Oct 13 13:12:42 ell life itself :) Oct 13 13:12:46 life Oct 13 13:12:46 time is the great equalizer and even the 1% can change that immutable law Oct 13 13:12:47 how is the camp faring with the weather? Oct 13 13:12:50 anyone know? Oct 13 13:12:57 actually failry well Oct 13 13:12:59 i wish i was there, i love boston, acted in a horrible B movie there Oct 13 13:13:02 fairly well Oct 13 13:13:05 i haven't been there today Oct 13 13:13:14 think i'll go later Oct 13 13:13:14 whats boston doing for saturday? Oct 13 13:13:14 yeah, i don't know when i'm going to be able to get back Oct 13 13:13:25 hehe Oct 13 13:13:35 Trouble brewing in NYC....http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/10/13/mayor-michael-bloomberg-says-zuccotti-park-will-be-cleaned-up-friday/ Oct 13 13:13:36 Dunno when I'm getting back either, but I do know that we have the wet weather situation figured out Oct 13 13:13:42 i mean, i still like Dinner Time Oct 13 13:13:44 * spt5882 (~spt5882@hksa-075-38-789-40.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:13:48 is anyone actually THERE right now? Oct 13 13:13:49 it's the cold weather solution we need to come across Oct 13 13:13:53 yeah. Oct 13 13:13:57 the Progressive radio and TV is hammering the 1% every minute of the day Oct 13 13:13:57 i feel like someone needs to rep the positivity Oct 13 13:13:59 yeah.. they are trying to shut down NYC Oct 13 13:14:02 saturday? plans? Oct 13 13:14:03 esp today after the arrests Oct 13 13:14:12 i was thinking about that, not the best time of year to start something like this Oct 13 13:14:15 i feel like i need to be a light in the dark Oct 13 13:14:24 well Oct 13 13:14:28 * Tracywork (~yaaic@269-781-344-48.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:14:29 as long as it hits critical mass Oct 13 13:14:35 it can always resume in like, march Oct 13 13:14:36 http://tinyhouseblog.com/yurts/gertee-houses-made-from-scraps/ <--- best solition I have found yet. We could build these up. Oct 13 13:14:37 the movement has to be prepared to be adaptive to conditions Oct 13 13:14:46 our smiles are our greatest asset Oct 13 13:14:47 gertee yurts Oct 13 13:14:50 * OccupyBoston917 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 13:14:57 oh and our intelligent solutions Oct 13 13:15:09 you guys need to find shelters like the ice fishermen have.. portable and warm Oct 13 13:15:11 we need those too, and our global consciousness Oct 13 13:15:15 How come no one from media is on? Oct 13 13:15:16 * Cadrian has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 13:15:25 * Cadrian (Cadrian@ozk-155-728-679-693.sc.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:15:26 * Shidash1 (~Shidash@44-01-31-790-ddofznrx2t.bu.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:15:33 southern cities and west coast have ability to continue movement on ground through winter Oct 13 13:15:38 hey Tracy .. wb Oct 13 13:15:39 * Shidash has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 13:15:49 oh wow, imagine mass migration south Oct 13 13:15:54 just come to LA.. thats where i am Oct 13 13:16:01 occupiers from north moving south for winter Oct 13 13:16:04 Year Round baby:) Oct 13 13:16:09 LA has a good thing going Oct 13 13:16:34 getting better all the time -beatles hippie quote Oct 13 13:16:34 oh my goodness, has anyone else thought about how charged this upcoming election will be??? Oct 13 13:16:38 i'm sure you have! Oct 13 13:16:44 Hosap, I suggested that Oct 13 13:16:56 * yman is now known as yman_yardwork Oct 13 13:17:11 pols will be p-ssed movement overshdows elections Oct 13 13:17:13 we ought to really really push as soon as the weather is better Oct 13 13:17:15 we need to invent a new freakin party.. or something.. the two parties are corrupt Oct 13 13:17:19 yes! Oct 13 13:17:22 More parties! Oct 13 13:17:24 meh... Oct 13 13:17:28 15 parties! Oct 13 13:17:31 yeah Oct 13 13:17:36 we already have more parties, no one pays attention to them Oct 13 13:17:41 this system can work, no need to chuck the whole thing yet Oct 13 13:17:46 maybe ron paul will have a chance this time Oct 13 13:17:47 multiparties! Oct 13 13:17:47 but they will if we make them:) Oct 13 13:17:53 the pols will be allying with Occupy next voting season Oct 13 13:17:56 ron paul rocks Oct 13 13:17:57 we will make them pay attention Oct 13 13:17:58 * Caper (~Caper@d-57-43-576-75.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:18:06 * OccupyBoston615 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 13:18:14 the Dems for sure Oct 13 13:18:14 they cannot avoid it forever Oct 13 13:18:15 seems like hes been saying this shit was gonna happen for the past 30 years lol Oct 13 13:18:20 how about truck driver bob from pensicola Oct 13 13:18:24 well these things take time Oct 13 13:18:25 pseudo good point about garnering votes Oct 13 13:18:48 gotta meeting to attend ..bbl ... be well friends :) Oct 13 13:18:53 bye bye! Oct 13 13:18:58 you're important! Oct 13 13:18:58 pseud later Oct 13 13:19:00 if occupy together can get that together.. maybe we can elect a whig or something Oct 13 13:19:00 * PseudoMe02 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 13:19:05 bye bye Oct 13 13:19:14 every single one. Oct 13 13:19:19 u 2 Oct 13 13:19:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Open Letter to that 53% Guy - anyone disputing the validity of the #OWS movement needs to read this: http://t.co/ZdhFe6Jn #OccupyBoston - http://twitter.com/danshewan/statuses/124534514000216064 Oct 13 13:19:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #FuckyouWashington Please fwd my mail to; #OCCUPANT, Dewey Sq., Boston, MA #OccupyBoston #OWS #Occup... http://t.co/SvAyurqN @ScrewYouDC - http://twitter.com/screwyoudc/statuses/124534563732070400 Oct 13 13:19:52 * Shidash1 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 13:20:01 so is there anything planned for saturday? Oct 13 13:20:03 * OccupyBoston005 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 13:20:13 * OccupyBoston903 (~OccupyBos@87-285-152-605.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:20:13 * OccupyBoston903 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 13:20:52 * Tracywork has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 13:21:00 so.... Oct 13 13:21:04 * Caper (~Caper@d-57-43-576-75.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 13 13:21:10 * TRP|Hopefully_Asleep is now known as TheRavenProject Oct 13 13:21:18 Hello Raven Oct 13 13:21:25 what's the good word Oct 13 13:21:38 * Leighton (4c770c82@khueo3.mibbit.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:21:38 Hey, Elliot. Oct 13 13:21:49 Hi Elliot Oct 13 13:21:53 hi hi Oct 13 13:22:00 hey raven Oct 13 13:22:22 Guardian has some good coverage: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/oct/13/occupy-wall-street-protests-eviction-live Oct 13 13:22:23 http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/29473883/detail.html Oct 13 13:22:31 just a little something Oct 13 13:22:42 stepping away fror a short while loves Oct 13 13:22:47 miss you! Oct 13 13:22:54 :) Oct 13 13:22:59 :) Oct 13 13:23:13 anyone from media or legal on? Oct 13 13:23:30 katie do you live at the camp? Oct 13 13:23:35 no sir Oct 13 13:23:38 or ma'am Oct 13 13:23:42 i live in allsto Oct 13 13:23:46 *allston Oct 13 13:23:48 ohh Oct 13 13:23:52 yessss Oct 13 13:23:53 kind of the same Oct 13 13:23:57 kind of Oct 13 13:24:01 lol Oct 13 13:24:02 only not Oct 13 13:24:03 ;) Oct 13 13:24:04 lol Oct 13 13:24:19 funny i almost stayed that night Oct 13 13:24:27 * Tracywork (~yaaic@774-858-226-208.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:24:28 * Meskk (~mulee@84-704-34-375.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:24:29 but i left right before the arrests Oct 13 13:24:30 okay, uploading new vid with happy music...thanks for suggestion whoever gave it to me Oct 13 13:24:35 it was me1 Oct 13 13:24:36 ! Oct 13 13:24:37 haha Oct 13 13:24:39 Thanks! Oct 13 13:24:56 i will let you know what i think Oct 13 13:24:58 haha Oct 13 13:25:03 Same vid, just a dif song Oct 13 13:25:07 nice Oct 13 13:25:13 ok... so winterizing the camp then? how's that going Oct 13 13:25:26 well i heard online that they're gonna try to do it Oct 13 13:25:34 but the police trashed everything last night Oct 13 13:25:40 or was it the night before Oct 13 13:25:45 it was monday Oct 13 13:25:46 actually the night before i think Oct 13 13:25:48 today is thursday Oct 13 13:25:48 oh ok Oct 13 13:25:49 about winterizing: how about covering the whole site with a huge tarp- or a patchwork of tarps Oct 13 13:25:56 yeah that's right monday Oct 13 13:26:01 so obviously a set back Oct 13 13:26:02 510... Gertee Yurts Oct 13 13:26:16 i bet tarps would be a welcome thing to give Oct 13 13:26:19 510: that would just make it harder/heavier to clear snow Oct 13 13:26:24 if we do it right we could have a giant winterized habitrail for us Oct 13 13:26:32 hey how about wood structures, little shanty town Oct 13 13:26:36 with insulation Oct 13 13:26:41 AHEM Oct 13 13:26:44 MIC CHECK Oct 13 13:26:48 hi hi Oct 13 13:26:50 Elliot: http://www.instructables.com/id/GerTee-Portable-tent-home-made-of-recycled-materia/ Oct 13 13:27:00 Mic Check Oct 13 13:27:07 http://tinyhouseblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/gerteecamp-2-600x450.jpg <---- Oct 13 13:27:18 YEH! Oct 13 13:27:22 precisely Oct 13 13:27:40 found stuff made into little homes Oct 13 13:27:53 if the structure can withstand rain and wind, the temperature can be dealt with by wearing warm clothing Oct 13 13:27:55 double plus like Oct 13 13:28:08 * OccupyBoston391 (~OccupyBos@e-40-139-142-045.hsd2.or.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:28:13 for a 16 foot yurt you'll need about 20 2x4s, 8 feet long, and a rip saw to cut them into 1/4 inch lath Oct 13 13:28:21 i was homeless last winter Oct 13 13:28:31 it's not so bad Oct 13 13:28:32 you can put a heat source in a properly built gertie Oct 13 13:28:33 015: Good point about clearing snow: maybe tilting it, or having shakable supports... Oct 13 13:28:33 if stucture is small and insulated body heat will warm it up nicely (see igloo) Oct 13 13:28:45 * life_panels (~life_pane@f-52-906-974-990.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:28:51 you need good boots Oct 13 13:28:51 * Tracywork has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 13:29:01 a good coat and like three layers Oct 13 13:29:11 * Shidash (~Shidash@44-01-31-790-ddofznrx2t.bu.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:29:12 so ... 20 2x4s cut into 1/4 lath, 800 wire ties... and then a roof ring and branches Oct 13 13:29:15 i slept in abandoned houses Oct 13 13:29:21 basements and attics Oct 13 13:29:21 i live close to there and that space is usually where the city piles snowbanks Oct 13 13:29:39 * OccupyBoston684 (~OccupyBos@w-83-05-637-681.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:29:50 does anyone think there will be a riot in NY today with the news Oct 13 13:29:51 http://tinyhouseblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/gerteecamp-4-600x450.jpg <--- the roof setup Oct 13 13:29:56 cover yourself with all the old coats you find in a box Oct 13 13:30:08 oh gosh i hope no riots Oct 13 13:30:28 * life_panels has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 13:30:32 if i believed in God i'd pray, but i don't Oct 13 13:30:36 people will get sick staying out in the cold Oct 13 13:30:41 yes they will Oct 13 13:30:44 i got sick last year Oct 13 13:30:45 ghost: if we shape the snowbanks, an igloo might be more realistic. just add water. Oct 13 13:30:50 but then you get stronger Oct 13 13:30:51 * User__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 13:30:55 because of it Oct 13 13:30:58 i did. Oct 13 13:31:03 we ought to watch out for eachother Oct 13 13:31:06 * User (~User@150-65-068-133.dr28.clbg.wv.frontiernet.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:31:08 take vitamins Oct 13 13:31:10 no I don't think there will be a riot, I think that people will just come back later Oct 13 13:31:13 * humanmichael (~humanmich@qcxp-674-2-8-217.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:31:13 eat food every day Oct 13 13:31:15 elliott: nice link. Oct 13 13:31:28 does anyone think it is time to start experimenting with structures? Oct 13 13:31:30 drink clean water all day long Oct 13 13:31:33 yes. Oct 13 13:31:40 experiment with structures now Oct 13 13:31:41 maybe there are some occupy northern canada folks, or occupy iceland folks who are already getting snow Oct 13 13:31:44 how are they dealing with it? Oct 13 13:31:45 learn before winter hits Oct 13 13:31:52 510... I spent 6 years in a military school, I have built things Oct 13 13:32:01 dig hobbit holes Oct 13 13:32:03 Elliot you're an asset, keep going Oct 13 13:32:13 :) Oct 13 13:32:19 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/13/national/main20119830.shtml <--- as for New York Oct 13 13:32:27 Your grandparents will be stopping by....http://www.aarp.org/politics-society/advocacy/info-10-2011/occupy-wall-street-movement-joblessness-concerns.html Oct 13 13:32:30 someone said that to me today, it made me feel good, so i'm going to keep repeating it Oct 13 13:32:40 park owner says they want the occupy movement to get up... take their shit, and leave so they can clean, and come back later Oct 13 13:32:48 this is not going to end well for ANYOINE Oct 13 13:32:52 we should clean it ourselves Oct 13 13:32:58 elliott: we should clean it Oct 13 13:33:09 elliott: and maybe volunteer to clean up wall street too... Oct 13 13:33:16 as a symbolic act. Oct 13 13:33:17 This is only for New York Oct 13 13:33:21 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/13/national/main20119830.shtml <--- <---- Oct 13 13:33:30 it might not end well, but we should do everything we can to make it end well Oct 13 13:33:31 Boston will just wait for us to succumb to winter Oct 13 13:33:42 the park owner as in MassDOT? Oct 13 13:33:48 MIC CHECK Oct 13 13:34:04 oh the park owner in nyc Oct 13 13:34:05 THE PARK OWNERS... REFER... TO THE ONES... IN NEW YORK.... ONLY Oct 13 13:34:09 Elliott: I agree. Winter will be a test Oct 13 13:34:26 * Tracywork (~yaaic@108.113.ss.ukl) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:34:30 Elliott: could the occupation move inside south station? Oct 13 13:34:36 God no Oct 13 13:34:38 No, no way Oct 13 13:34:44 yeah if we plan on keeping this going all winter we need to start raising money for propane heaters Oct 13 13:34:55 i don't think so Oct 13 13:34:57 humanmichael: nope, no flammables in camp Oct 13 13:35:01 not necessary Oct 13 13:35:09 good boots, good coat Oct 13 13:35:14 you'll be find Oct 13 13:35:21 get inside a tent at night Oct 13 13:35:25 eek Oct 13 13:35:35 sleep under a blanket or sleeping bag Oct 13 13:35:36 I think our best option is to reduce our numbers to at or around 20 people, and put them in a single structure, and rotate out different people during the winter. So no one has to stay for the duration of winter. Everyone who has a home should go to itit Oct 13 13:35:43 thats all well and good for 40 degree weather. good luck when it gets below 20 Oct 13 13:35:52 * Shidash has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 13:35:52 I was homeless last winter Oct 13 13:35:57 it is very cold Oct 13 13:36:02 but i survived Oct 13 13:36:05 for real. Oct 13 13:36:09 The key to winter surviving is vapor barriers. Oct 13 13:36:27 i did it on purpose as a test to my own robust consitution and over abundance of good health Oct 13 13:36:28 maybe citgo (owned by venezuela, controlled by chavez) would be willing to donate petroleum products again... Oct 13 13:36:33 you need to keep a dry layer next to your skin and keep the wet off your body... simple as that Oct 13 13:36:37 i got sick, but i survived Oct 13 13:36:42 yes Oct 13 13:36:49 elliot has a good point Oct 13 13:36:53 stay dry Oct 13 13:36:58 tom morello played at occupy wall street!? never have I been so disappointed I live in boston and not nyc Oct 13 13:37:03 Good boots, good coat, wear layers Oct 13 13:37:15 get inside at night Oct 13 13:37:19 careful with covering your face though katie Oct 13 13:37:24 ell good idea about rotational camping Oct 13 13:37:28 * OccupyBoston684 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 13:37:33 * OccupyBoston460 (~OccupyBos@w-83-05-637-681.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:37:38 * yman_yardwork is now known as yman Oct 13 13:37:46 I put plans up for a high quality yurt construction on the wiki page. Oct 13 13:37:47 what exactly do you mean? the saliva on your bandanna wetting your face? Oct 13 13:38:05 your scarf will get wet if you cover your mouth. Oct 13 13:38:11 someone want to put plans for the gertie up incase we don't have the carpentry skill to figure out how to cut precision milled woodstock? Oct 13 13:38:13 that's no good... Oct 13 13:38:32 yeah breathing in cold mosture leads to pneumonia Oct 13 13:38:47 yeah that would suck Oct 13 13:39:07 glad i didn't get any of that last year! Oct 13 13:39:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @occupy_boston Has #occupyboston successfully expanded to Rose Kennedy Greenway or ya'll giving in to the 1%? - http://twitter.com/RickRobbinsJr/statuses/124539588285964288 Oct 13 13:39:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @tulasana: @BostonAttitude why should #occupyboston end if nothing has changed? - http://twitter.com/ArielFRoss/statuses/124539605302259713 Oct 13 13:39:34 i've been homeless on an off since i was 18 Oct 13 13:39:38 i'm 24 now Oct 13 13:39:45 oh man it doesn't get easier Oct 13 13:40:10 but i have learned a few things.... it's something i can offer. Oct 13 13:40:28 it's why im involved in the movement now Oct 13 13:40:44 * Tracywork has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 13 13:40:46 I wonder if we've run into each other at the site Katie Oct 13 13:40:49 * spt5882 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 13:40:50 i mean, it's why i'm getting involved. Oct 13 13:40:52 kate that's it turn your suffering into an asset Oct 13 13:40:54 No we haven't Oct 13 13:41:02 Yes Oct 13 13:41:08 my suffering is my greatest asset Oct 13 13:41:18 Oh i have suffered at the hands of the cruel machinery! Oct 13 13:41:21 * Meskk has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 13:41:32 anyrate... I think we should do this Oct 13 13:41:50 elliot: if this means building, i agree Oct 13 13:41:53 I think it's very important to remember our little brothers and sisters Oct 13 13:41:54 http://www.instructables.com/id/Building-a-new-20-foot-gertee/ <--- make a 20 foot gertie, winterize it, and make it the new Media Tent Oct 13 13:42:02 those kids and teens in the system Oct 13 13:42:09 kate we're all considered as grease for the machine Oct 13 13:42:21 not me! I'm a cog damn it! Oct 13 13:42:25 those who fill the systems programs Oct 13 13:42:35 * OccupyBoston091 (~OccupyBos@18.111.p.nrz) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:42:47 i know those kids Oct 13 13:42:51 i was one of those kids Oct 13 13:42:57 if we build a structure like this don't we then fall short on building code and inspection requirements? Oct 13 13:42:59 innocent but treated like a criminal Oct 13 13:43:03 ok guys Oct 13 13:43:13 well i'm gonna do some speaking i think Oct 13 13:43:19 down there tonight if i can Oct 13 13:43:26 it's a temporary structure vincere... it's not perminant Oct 13 13:43:26 * OccupyBoston517 (~OccupyBos@t-54-52-6-43.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:43:27 i'm gonna go now, get ready Oct 13 13:43:36 Peace! Oct 13 13:43:38 * OccupyBoston517 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 13:43:41 * OccupyBoston091 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 13:43:48 can anyone from legal speak to the building code question? Oct 13 13:43:49 kate heard a rumor Orwell is working on a sequel titled "Little Brother & Little Sister" :) Oct 13 13:43:59 :) Oct 13 13:44:00 oh really??? Oct 13 13:44:00 * OccupyBoston391 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 13:44:06 you've got my attentio Oct 13 13:44:06 * BigWhopper99 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 13:44:09 * BigWhopper99 (~BigWhoppe@lsdb-48-104-05-234.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:44:11 but i really g2g for now Oct 13 13:44:17 bye katie Oct 13 13:44:20 maybe see you down there Oct 13 13:44:20 l8r katie Oct 13 13:44:20 c ya kate Oct 13 13:44:28 bye buye Oct 13 13:44:29 George Orwell died in 1950 Oct 13 13:44:29 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thesinglelife/occupation-america-0 What do u think now Katie? No more links, ill go think of winterizing solutions and discuss tonight Oct 13 13:44:39 thanks for the suggestions. Oct 13 13:44:49 ell it was a joke :) Oct 13 13:44:55 =P Oct 13 13:44:57 later all, see you all later for discussion about winterizing tonight....or whatever Oct 13 13:45:02 * OccupyBoston028 (~OccupyBos@f-92-751-60-77.hsd3.nh.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:45:11 * OccupyBoston028 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 13:45:15 if he wer alive, he'd be writing it for sure :) Oct 13 13:45:30 * BigWhopper99 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 13:45:30 do you really think they'll allow a semipermanent structure to be erected without permits? Oct 13 13:45:38 * oddalot has quit () Oct 13 13:45:41 * Katie has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 13:45:50 michael, have you seen the tarp tents we put up? Oct 13 13:45:59 mike probably getting into building permit territory too Oct 13 13:46:00 i havent been to camp since tuesday Oct 13 13:46:05 they're basically cardboard tubes, rope, and plastic wrap Oct 13 13:46:14 * Sandman (~Sandman@ouy1-cwa-frk-6.cisco.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:46:16 hosap: I think Orwell would agree: http://orwell.ru/library/essays/wiw/english/e_wiw Oct 13 13:46:17 im referring to the gertie, elliot Oct 13 13:46:23 yes Oct 13 13:46:24 interesting article: http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-about-2011-10?op=1 Oct 13 13:47:10 its definitely a good idea to bring up winter structures ASAP in case permits will be needed Oct 13 13:47:11 510 thanks very much for link Oct 13 13:47:17 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqYZmLB9EuE&feature=fvst Oct 13 13:47:18 the gertie is also, rope, plastic wrap and cardboard tubes.... with a bit of wood latice made from ripped 2x4s and wire ties, all we would be doing is making the structure look different Oct 13 13:47:38 ohhh. i should've read the whole thing Oct 13 13:47:42 and I have yet to hear of anyone be told they could not put up a temporary structure because it violated a buildign code Oct 13 13:47:51 at some point you need to wonder when building codes can be enforced against us, though Oct 13 13:48:05 I don't think they can Vincere Oct 13 13:48:12 because they're not buildings there Oct 13 13:48:18 they're all temporary structure Oct 13 13:48:19 i hope we can get ICP to come sometime soon Oct 13 13:48:25 vincere: good point. That might be an eventual, and desirable, conflict to provike... Oct 13 13:48:40 research for the legal team Oct 13 13:48:45 yup Oct 13 13:49:01 ICP? are you serious? Oct 13 13:49:07 construction subcommittee Oct 13 13:49:08 i hope you don't mean those clowns Oct 13 13:49:25 worst music ever Oct 13 13:49:27 http://www.mass.gov/Eeops/docs/dps/BuildingCode/780CMRUSG.pdf <--- presenting the building code Oct 13 13:50:21 * schock has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 13:51:19 * yo_mama (~yo_mama@uknv-92-605-09-199.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:51:31 so it appears the federal definition that tents fall under is a prefabricated structure Oct 13 13:51:44 * JJBoston (~JJBoston@582-096-68-66.meganet.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:52:04 Tent: Any structure, enclosure or shelter which is constructed of canvas or pliable material supported in any manner except by air or the contents it protects. 3103.3 Comstruction requirements: Construction of membrane structures shall comply with 780 CMR 3103.3.1 through 3103.3.5. Oct 13 13:52:04 elliot, thats just a list of changes from former code and differences from national code Oct 13 13:52:07 not the actual code Oct 13 13:52:08 What is the server so that I can connect with an IRC client? Oct 13 13:52:11 they may not be more than 500 square feet in area, they must be constructed of light materials covered with cloth or flexible plastic, and no associated electrical, plumbing or mechanical work, no height about 12 feet Oct 13 13:52:18 http://www.archive.org/stream/gov.ma.building/ma_building_djvu.txt <=== Oct 13 13:52:20 yo_mama: che.indymedia.org Oct 13 13:52:21 my bad Oct 13 13:52:31 thank you Oct 13 13:52:56 * Grumpy has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 13:53:02 * Grumpy (~Grumpy@ilgha5.modicon.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:53:59 here we go found it Oct 13 13:54:00 http://www.mass.gov/Eeops/docs/dps/BuildingCode/780031.pdf Oct 13 13:54:09 I am NOT a lawyer but based on that definition your idea would have to have a maximum radius of 12.62 feet and be under 12 feet Oct 13 13:54:14 and the wood may be a point of contention Oct 13 13:54:40 vincere: it might be desirable to break building codes... Oct 13 13:55:28 * OccupyBoston677 (~OccupyBos@w-83-05-637-681.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:55:57 I don't think many in the movement want to afford building code violations, the less we give them to fight us with the better imo Oct 13 13:56:10 they tend to cost a lot of money Oct 13 13:56:15 All temporary structures that cover an area in excess of 120 square feet (11.16 m 2 ), including all connecting areas or spaces with a common means of egress or entrance which are used or intended to be used for the gathering together of ten or more persons, shall not be erected, operated or maintained for any purpose without obtaining a permit from the code official. Tents used exclusively for recreational c Oct 13 13:56:34 * OccupyBoston917 (~OccupyBos@p-76-24-16-814.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:56:34 * JJBoston has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 13:56:42 aah you found what I found Oct 13 13:56:53 * OccupyBoston917 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 13:56:56 even more constraining Oct 13 13:57:09 * OccupyBoston474 (~OccupyBos@34-97.dhcp.emerson.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:57:09 * superjudgebunny has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 13:57:39 * superjudgebunny (~superjudg@382-91-764-69.client.mchsi.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:57:44 that would give a maximum radius of 6.18 feet Oct 13 13:57:58 so we would need a permit for a 16 to 20 foot yurt Oct 13 13:58:36 * moonunitzappa (~meek@f-38-801-938-52.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 13:58:39 just get someone to donate those trailers that construction crews use Oct 13 13:58:50 i'm sure the union people have a hookup if you ask Oct 13 13:59:28 small tents still seem best. maybe with electric heaters in certain areas of camp, perhaps solar, wind, or bike powered Oct 13 13:59:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @NewYorker: Like its cousin on Wall Street, Occupy Boston a remarkably media-savvy operation: http://t.co/TOGaawrX #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/JosephFCrater/statuses/124544601435549696 Oct 13 13:59:32 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @nerdosyndical: Occupier: What Happened to Me in the Police Raid and Arrest 141 of Peaceful Protestors http://t.co/xqkOIpOE #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/claudiaznelson/statuses/124544612072296448 Oct 13 13:59:51 well it's good to know the maximum tent side we can use is 10x12 Oct 13 13:59:59 * ywwg (~owen@39-353-852-356-phlqwyssinm.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:01:04 solar would have a terrible roi in that space Oct 13 14:01:05 * yo_mama has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 14:01:20 money would be better invested in wind for sure but then you need to invest in a storage medium Oct 13 14:01:28 we are already working on a DC to AC wind/crank generator Oct 13 14:02:05 * Meskk (~mulee@84-704-34-375.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:02:13 mike bike power excellent idea- bikers warm themselves while generating enrgy, may be a popular task to do in winter :) Oct 13 14:02:25 cause you need a DC motor, a bridge rectifier, a car battery bank, an inverter/alternator... and you can produce 115v AC Oct 13 14:02:53 AC motors cant' be used to make generators DC only Oct 13 14:03:10 they got bike powered again yesterday Oct 13 14:03:22 * OccupyBoston474 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 14:04:47 * T (~T@ryrnij-986-9-964-419.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:04:59 Hi all Oct 13 14:05:11 hello T Oct 13 14:05:21 is anyone at camp right now? Oct 13 14:05:31 i mean is anyone on this chat at camp? Oct 13 14:05:48 ElliottTheMedic: thats not true at all, there are both ac and dc generators Oct 13 14:06:04 * OccupyBoston148 (~OccupyBos@84-301-43-69-diljqtxfes.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:06:20 what is happening this Saturday? Oct 13 14:06:26 hosap: we're actually starting to use bicycle generators. Someone brought one from MIT. If you have any parts and expertise, please come down to the camp to help! Oct 13 14:06:35 i've asked about saturday like 9 times Oct 13 14:06:48 any response? Oct 13 14:06:51 no Oct 13 14:06:51 dc generators are pretty much not used at all... the reason you need that equipment is the ac power generated has to be converted to dc to be stored and converted to ac for most of our appliances Oct 13 14:06:52 ghostincubicle: what about? Oct 13 14:07:06 what is going on for saturday? Oct 13 14:07:18 * OccupyBoston975 (~OccupyBos@882-80-100-80-shjkxmetll.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:07:20 ab_: what do you need for parts? Oct 13 14:07:21 * WTP (~WTP@jlt1wzy57.vrtx.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:07:23 * OccupyBoston975 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 14:07:42 NY is marching on Times Sq Oct 13 14:07:45 saturday Oct 13 14:07:49 there are police are going through the camp filming is anyone here on cat there at camp? Oct 13 14:08:08 T: they've been filming for days Oct 13 14:08:18 * ElliottTheMedic has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 14:08:25 there are concerns raised by the aclu about their handing of the data off to dhs Oct 13 14:08:28 police are filming? Oct 13 14:08:49 ross: only when they aren't arresting Oct 13 14:08:52 well according to the patriot act dhs can do whatever the eff they want Oct 13 14:09:00 I am not there, I am getting frantic texts about it right now, there are no legal observers and i guess there are a lot more of them Oct 13 14:09:21 cover up and relax Oct 13 14:09:27 they've already been on film for days Oct 13 14:09:52 vincere: someone contacted Bikes not Bombs for extra frames, but if you're familiar with the type of parts needed (there's plenty on the internet for plans) I strongly encourage you to donate! It's going to be more and more important if the camp loses power Oct 13 14:09:54 * ElliottTheMedic (~ElliottTh@d-69-21-930-860.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:10:11 ab_: competitive cyclist with lots of bike parts and a licensed mech e Oct 13 14:10:18 * karabiner has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 14:10:18 so what I miss? Oct 13 14:10:18 Ok, well then that's fine. I am not on site. I am just getting texts from people on site full of exclamation points etc.. Oct 13 14:10:36 people on site have a bad habit of not practicing rumor control Oct 13 14:10:40 see monday police incident Oct 13 14:10:43 I'm so glad that DHS is protecting the US from peaceful protestors demanding horrible, un-American things like human rights and jobs. Oct 13 14:10:49 T: if you could tell those concerned it would be awesome, the aclu is already raising issues about this Oct 13 14:11:03 * onetwogo (~onetwogo@nrbs-73-071-084-002.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:11:04 vincere: :D awesome... Oct 13 14:11:18 * vincere is now known as MettaKreton Oct 13 14:11:18 will do Oct 13 14:11:34 I'll be back at camp in a couple hours... Oct 13 14:11:37 I'm not at camp now, but I'm hoping to get back down there tonight. Oct 13 14:11:47 working and occupying is hard work Oct 13 14:11:56 MettaKreton: seriously. All I want to do is occupy. Oct 13 14:12:07 everything else feels.. superfluous Oct 13 14:12:21 same... problem is my only transportation is a bike and I work and my apartment is in medford Oct 13 14:12:21 ab_: MettaKreton: Meeee toooo Oct 13 14:12:28 lots of time traveling between the two places Oct 13 14:13:00 yeah. I work in social services, so it's not like I can, in good conscience, not go to work to protest Oct 13 14:13:28 so I have to work 9-12 hours, protest 6, sleep 4-5, go back to work... Oct 13 14:13:56 * hosap has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 14:13:57 about filming, here is the official announcement from BPD: http://www.bpdnews.com/2011/10/10/note-to-occupy_boston-the-boston-police-department-respects-your-right-to-protest-peacefully-we-ask-for-your-ongoing-cooperation/ Oct 13 14:14:09 which is also why the "get a job" criticism makes me crazy. I've met so many other protesters who have multiple jobs Oct 13 14:14:16 * OccupyBoston462 (~OccupyBos@vbmwknsl.boston.gov) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:14:57 I'm ending a contract job and have been trying to work my 40, apply and interview, and occupy. challenge accepted Oct 13 14:15:07 * marxistvegan (~marxistve@awqw-124-7-71-492.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:15:29 I'm stuck in a cubicle all week, I work in sustainable food reform and community developement, I've been donating food but I want to March, I'm hoping there will be something this Friday or Saturday Oct 13 14:15:52 I got a job interview tomorrow to see if I can get some part time work in a general store Oct 13 14:16:44 ElliottTheMedic: good luck man! Oct 13 14:16:44 OccupyBoston148: definitely should be saturday Oct 13 14:16:54 http://blackstonian.com/news/2011/10/jamarhl-crawford-addresses-occupy-boston-1012/ Oct 13 14:16:56 elliott: good luck Oct 13 14:17:01 * T has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 14:17:07 * Sandman has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 14:17:11 OccupyBoston148: nothing on the schedule yet Oct 13 14:17:40 moonunitzappa: the aclu has alleged it is being handed off to the dhs Oct 13 14:17:53 i mean i'm around to do whatever I can those days either way Oct 13 14:18:06 thx Oct 13 14:18:31 OccupyBoston148: Theirs quite a few things going on both days at camp. http://occupyboston.com/calendar/ Oct 13 14:18:43 thnx Oct 13 14:18:48 "In the event that 5 or more armed people or 10 or more people are unlawfully, riotously or tumultuously assembled, the police can demand that they immediately and peaceably disperse." Oct 13 14:18:54 I actually didn't know those specifics Oct 13 14:18:56 good link Oct 13 14:19:10 wow..... Oct 13 14:19:20 * OccupyBoston462 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 14:19:48 Making a loud, confused noise; uproarious: "tumultuous applause". Oct 13 14:19:48 Excited, confused, Oct 13 14:20:11 I know what tumultuous means but wanted the dictionary definition... by that it means being loud could get us arrested Oct 13 14:20:23 "ullawfully, riotously or tumultously assembled" sounds like they can pretty much disperse when ever they see fit Oct 13 14:20:27 or 5 people with pocket knives Oct 13 14:20:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] BU Student Relives Arrest with #OccupyBoston "Hours handcuffed and jailed, but determined to protest again" http://t.co/8k5Mzoar #OWS - http://twitter.com/TPB_Stun/statuses/124549884870262784 Oct 13 14:20:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Occupy_Boston: #needsoftheoccupiers #occupyboston We would love the following donations: water, tent sticks, first aid kits, rain suits, tarps, towels. RT - http://twitter.com/NinJudas/statuses/124549923747274752 Oct 13 14:20:35 any Idea why there's a twitter call for legal observers in camp? Oct 13 14:20:59 jproulx: someone was getting word from concerned occupants about the police filming inside the camp Oct 13 14:21:39 however the police have been doimg that for a long time, have apparently announced they've been doing it, and the aclu has already express concerns about their use of the data; maybe this is just brazen enough that people are noticing more Oct 13 14:21:47 bye everyone. Oct 13 14:21:54 will be back later. Oct 13 14:21:56 bye OccupyBoston510 Oct 13 14:22:00 bye 510 Oct 13 14:22:01 camp is in a public space, campers have no expectation of privacy in public spaces, filming realistically cant be stopped Oct 13 14:22:05 Ah, I suspect there's nothing for that, we're relying in it being public space so no expactation of privacy and all that, suck though Oct 13 14:22:14 yup pretty much Oct 13 14:22:19 sounds like they're gearing up for a propaganda fest Oct 13 14:22:27 the reality is -- it's too late, they have you on film already, all of us Oct 13 14:22:39 be on our best behavior and give them no bad actions Oct 13 14:22:49 yeh and my prints and my mother's maiden name and ssn ... Oct 13 14:23:37 ah the joys of being arrested Oct 13 14:23:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @HerDustyBoots: @Occupy_Boston legal observers needed at camp RIGHT NOW. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124549695480664064 Oct 13 14:23:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @HerDustyBoots everything ok? - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124549883616178176 Oct 13 14:24:01 is anyone aware of the possibilities of being tried as a john doe? Oct 13 14:24:08 * spacechip (~spacechip@d-57-438-851-391.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:24:13 if I were to be arrested in an upcoming event... Oct 13 14:24:24 possibility yes, but reasons why no... Oct 13 14:24:27 I intend to ask legal but maybe someone here has some info Oct 13 14:26:00 not I ... Oct 13 14:26:07 MettaKreton: I'm not bringing any identification to OB anymore, didn't even dawn on me. Oct 13 14:26:12 ok... first off we don't intend to get arrested Oct 13 14:26:19 the cops are not intending to arrest us Oct 13 14:26:36 we only have arrests when we have an impasse on civil rights vs property rights Oct 13 14:26:43 Being prepared is not a bad thing. Oct 13 14:27:13 * OccupyBoston460 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 14:27:15 I agree though Oct 13 14:27:32 ElliottTheMedic yes, what I've said is that I was prepared to be arrested, not planning on it (and said nothing to the cops) it's a small but I think important distinction Oct 13 14:27:48 if you get arrested you get arrested Oct 13 14:28:05 good logic Oct 13 14:28:07 * InfinityCircle (~InfinityC@77-372-38-765.dhcp.rdng.ca.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:28:08 the cops basically tell you what to do, it's up to you if you cooperate with them Oct 13 14:28:33 I recommend being truthful and cooperative and give them no reason to keep you any longer than they need to Oct 13 14:28:39 * sunnyd (~sunnyd@lntc-451-26-937-004.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:28:47 hope for the best and prepare for the worst Oct 13 14:29:04 "you have the right to remain silent, anything you say can and WILL be used against you in a court of law" Oct 13 14:29:05 thats what we do Oct 13 14:29:07 hy is moveon.org trying to piggy back Oct 13 14:29:11 why* Oct 13 14:29:27 because they consider the 99% to be the left wing tea party Oct 13 14:29:41 ugh Oct 13 14:29:43 gross Oct 13 14:29:45 and since the occupy movement has a lot of left wing ideas, move on is trying to capitalize on this Oct 13 14:29:51 i hate moveon.org Oct 13 14:29:56 why would they not try and use us? Oct 13 14:30:00 yup, the more traction we get the more things will glom on Oct 13 14:30:05 * OccupyBoston399 (~OccupyBos@j-57-091-30-059.hsd4.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:30:06 because we should have rejected them Oct 13 14:30:28 What if anything can we do about it?? Oct 13 14:30:35 oh that's NOTHING Oct 13 14:30:38 hang on Oct 13 14:31:16 * InfinityCircle has quit () Oct 13 14:31:43 http://occupyparty.org/ <--- MENTLEGEN!!! BEHOLD!!!! Oct 13 14:31:51 haha just make a large sign reminding moveon.org, etc, that we are not them Oct 13 14:31:55 * OccupyBoston523 (~OccupyBos@38.97.kx.lyv) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:32:06 * OccupyBoston523 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 14:32:11 * OccupyBoston349 (~OccupyBos@38.97.kx.lyv) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:32:14 * OccupyBoston349 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 14:32:31 how's that for awesomesauce? Oct 13 14:32:45 Hey, all. Someone just tried to drop a bit.ly link in #occupywallstreet. Was obviously a link to a malware propagation site. Be careful. Oct 13 14:32:46 I think I just vomited in my mouth a little Oct 13 14:33:23 * felix (~felix@84-369-35-695-inasnsvggb.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:33:36 occupy party? meh Oct 13 14:33:41 I feel that I've been drafted into a curious war, but couldn't be happier- there is no joy like unbridled solidarity and teamwork among strangers come on down for an experiment in civic participation. come out of curiosity, come out of frustration, come and watch us all build together something none of us yet understand. there is no skill you have which will not be put to use, no project you invent that you cannot und Oct 13 14:33:42 http://www.occupytogether.org/ <--- and this Oct 13 14:33:46 TheRavenProject: got a hostname for the nick so we can ban them here? Oct 13 14:34:04 * OccupyBoston399 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 14:34:07 leftyfb: *!*@46.105.yr.ij Oct 13 14:34:15 Masked> Oct 13 14:34:17 I think. Oct 13 14:34:24 * leftyfb sets ban on *!*@46.105.yr.ij Oct 13 14:34:35 I think public denunciation and separation from any affiliations is absolutely crucial. And probably needs to be repeated like a broken record for the mainstream. Oct 13 14:34:35 yup Oct 13 14:34:36 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @OccupyHouston @occupydallas @occupysananto @occupyAustin. We want to connect with you! I will DM you contact number. #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124551572180041729 Oct 13 14:34:37 :-) Oct 13 14:34:37 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @HerDustyBoots we need to get someone from legal access to this acct, btw. That seems critical. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124551927462768640 Oct 13 14:34:43 leftyfb: we should pass this along to #OWS Oct 13 14:34:46 wtp, i concur Oct 13 14:34:48 * ghostincubicle has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 14:34:52 ab_: what's that? Oct 13 14:35:08 especially affiliation with things like occupyparty Oct 13 14:35:12 leftyfb: Any chance you can sandbox the malware so we can find out who's running it? Oct 13 14:35:19 * felix has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 14:35:19 anyone from media here? Oct 13 14:35:21 I don't have the link Oct 13 14:35:34 ows has already publicly denied affiliation with the occupy party Oct 13 14:35:36 TheRavenProject: did you just post the link? Oct 13 14:35:43 WTP, that's a good idea. I'll bring it up. Oct 13 14:35:53 but yes, I could ... but it's probably just usual garbage, nothing targeted toward us ... that's my guess Oct 13 14:36:15 I'm not going to post the link. I tried to sandbox a similar payload earlier and it somehow ended up in another file in my /usr/ folder. Oct 13 14:36:18 I can't do it right now .. at work and about to get real busy Oct 13 14:36:41 Ill reiterate the need to repeat it and say it loud. Oct 13 14:36:44 I wouldn't worry about it ... I don't feel we would gain anything from learning it's origins Oct 13 14:36:49 * TheRavenProject nods * Oct 13 14:36:57 * schock (~schock@18.111.zt.gg) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:37:25 k, np. I think I might want to put together a working group to track this stuff. No reason not to track it, because depending on where the payload comes from, it might be really interesting Oct 13 14:37:47 * OccupyBoston584 (~OccupyBos@yriqjl-12-254-45-575.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:37:51 in the off chance that it's not just an opportunist Oct 13 14:37:56 * tripp_ (~tripp_@kqzt-174-72-114-098.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:38:02 * Tracywork (~yaaic@79-51-85-808.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:38:11 hi Oct 13 14:38:13 * ctwalrus (~ctwalrus@209.104.llq.gwi) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:38:17 * sunnyd has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi) Oct 13 14:38:18 hola tracy Oct 13 14:38:21 Hi Oct 13 14:38:24 http://www.occupymassachusetts.com/ <--- anyone know who this is yet? Oct 13 14:38:35 hi Oct 13 14:38:39 ok, we NEED Media in here Oct 13 14:38:40 well, TheRavenProject if you see the link and the user, PM me with a warning around the link :) Oct 13 14:38:45 gtg. work. Oct 13 14:38:45 that link needs to get to the right people Oct 13 14:38:50 Media still not there? Oct 13 14:39:02 oh wait Oct 13 14:39:04 no Oct 13 14:39:05 they're not Oct 13 14:39:07 seen the arrest just now wat a shame Oct 13 14:39:08 ElliottTheMedic: that's garbage Oct 13 14:39:20 opportunist search page Oct 13 14:39:25 * OccupyBoston956 (~OccupyBos@oyue-92-140-21-080.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:39:29 tripp_: from Monday night? Oct 13 14:39:34 * tripp_ has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 14:39:38 * tripp_ (~tripp_@kqzt-174-72-114-098.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:39:46 wtf Oct 13 14:39:47 * OccupyBoston956 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 14:39:53 tripp_: from Monday night? Oct 13 14:39:56 it just cut me off Oct 13 14:39:58 * DanSt (~DanSt@oyue-92-140-21-080.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:40:01 yes Oct 13 14:40:05 the list of special intrests groups that will try to hijack our movement is already huge and will continue to grow. Oct 13 14:40:23 * DiscoBandit has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 13 14:40:38 hm, the chat numbers have been dwindling lately Oct 13 14:40:44 You seen it? Oct 13 14:40:46 and we NEED someone from MediaTent in here Oct 13 14:40:54 so frustrating Oct 13 14:40:55 well i seen the protest i wish i could join Oct 13 14:41:09 I just don't see a good way of discrediting all that nonscence other than what I said eirlier. Oct 13 14:41:20 Hooefully I am not turned away tonight Oct 13 14:41:21 not that much coverage on the protest though Oct 13 14:41:23 thats why you will eventually need a two -pronged message - wealth inequality and financial system reform. otherwise every "progressive" cause will smother you with their 20th century dogma Oct 13 14:41:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @lizpelly: Right now @ #occupyboston MT @LeFill police are filming camp's civil disob training ... NLG aren't here. Need legal observers! LOTS of cops - http://twitter.com/occupywiki/statuses/124555138290565120 Oct 13 14:41:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @lizpelly: Right now @ #occupyboston MT @LeFill police are filming camp's civil disob training ... NLG aren't here. Need legal observers! LOTS of cops - http://twitter.com/andydresser/statuses/124555198332022785 Oct 13 14:41:34 and I don't think just publically denouncing them is enough. Oct 13 14:41:35 well the monday night incident I think was unfortunate but nessessary on both sides Oct 13 14:41:48 the tents have been dwindling. Oct 13 14:42:02 We should all start filming the cops right back Oct 13 14:42:06 ctwalrus: no that haven't Oct 13 14:42:07 I don't particularly care for our behavor on Monday either. I Oct 13 14:42:10 Ct, not when I was there last night. Oct 13 14:42:12 the cops are taking the tents Oct 13 14:42:14 lol Oct 13 14:42:18 tripp_: no they're not Oct 13 14:42:23 Leftyfb: agree, they hhhhate it Oct 13 14:42:26 tripp_: please don't spread false rumors Oct 13 14:42:43 its not false Oct 13 14:42:54 Will have camera for video, phone for wifi hotspot and iPad :) Oct 13 14:42:56 tripp what's your location? Oct 13 14:42:56 read the article Oct 13 14:42:59 I know that two of the media people have interviews this afternoon for corporate communication internships. Not sure who is left there. Oct 13 14:43:07 the guys stuff was taken Oct 13 14:43:10 tripp_: that was from site#2 Monday night Oct 13 14:43:14 he cops took tents from the second site Oct 13 14:43:17 everything was thrown away Oct 13 14:43:22 nothing has been done to our main site Oct 13 14:43:26 in Dewey Square Oct 13 14:43:36 yeah that is disgusting. they threw useful stuff in the trash just to be spiteful Oct 13 14:43:41 * OccupyBoston662 (~OccupyBos@226-55-36-790-jpmbmsgb2w.bu.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:43:43 yup Oct 13 14:43:50 so no, nobody is "taking" anything .. Monday night they threw away everything in site#2 Oct 13 14:43:51 not quite Michael Oct 13 14:44:07 they didn't throw useful stuff in the trash? Oct 13 14:44:09 it wasn't out of spite, it was more objective than that. Oct 13 14:44:11 ok they threw it away Oct 13 14:44:13 ffs Oct 13 14:44:15 ElliottTheMedic what don't you care for about Monday? I'm pretty positive about it (wish teh site had stayed but...) don't care for all the brutality / "police riot" whining Oct 13 14:44:37 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @dmwatchdog verifying. We are pretty sure we have everything under control now. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124555250232340480 Oct 13 14:44:38 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @LeFill: @lizpelly @caulkthewagon police are filming camp, civil disob training @Occupy_Boston & NLG aren't here. Need legal observer ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124555286064279552 Oct 13 14:44:45 there could have been less force in some cases, bu tthat was no police riot Oct 13 14:44:47 I feel like things are beginning to fall apart. Oct 13 14:45:03 I heard they kept the good tents for their kids. Oct 13 14:45:06 I'm disappointed that the mass arrests didn't serve as more of a wake up call to others about the erosion of our rights and power as individual citizens Oct 13 14:45:07 Tracywork: far from it Oct 13 14:45:13 ctwalrus: false Oct 13 14:45:34 it woke me up i just cant get there Oct 13 14:45:37 everything got thrown away by DPW Oct 13 14:45:43 Ok, first off, there was no police brutality, even the 72 year old guy who got tossed, was assisted back to his feet by the police and they made sure he was alright. There were no riot squads in the park they were uniformed officers with clubs and arrest bands.... no swat, no riot team... just regular cops. Oct 13 14:45:45 No one has been on from media all day. I do not get it. Oct 13 14:46:06 Waiy until I get there. Oct 13 14:46:13 if you don't want to be yanked by a cop don't link arms while being arrested Oct 13 14:46:14 i know Tracywork Oct 13 14:46:15 * ywwg has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) Oct 13 14:46:28 ElliottTheMedic, OK I'm 100% with you on that I was about 20' to the right of the veterans for peace an done of the last out so I saw much of it Oct 13 14:46:37 No weapons of any kind were used by the boston police, and the fact that we keep propigating rumors that they beat women and elderly with stick and brutalized the people there show that we are propagandists just like MSN Oct 13 14:46:44 me too tracy. Plus it's raining. Oct 13 14:46:54 if anyone from out of town have no way into boston, this is a good place to start http://www.facebook.com/OccupyBostonCarpool?sk=wall Oct 13 14:47:08 tripp_ ^^ Oct 13 14:47:22 i think theres anti-protesters in here Oct 13 14:47:23 ElliottTheMedic people have claimed that? WTF? I've been running behind catching up from my court occupied Tuesday... Oct 13 14:47:28 moonunitzappa: Oct 13 14:47:50 and the outright fear and paranoia that spread through the camp before and after the event... holy fuck... people though undercover secret government agents were wandering around the site looking for evidence so they could have raids conducted Oct 13 14:48:07 * MettaKreton has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 14:48:12 you guys need to narrow down to a few issues, with demands, well articulated...the time is now Oct 13 14:48:17 didnt u see the black helicopers Oct 13 14:48:25 At least there is someone on from.medical. Oct 13 14:48:30 I smell financial fraud in this whole "donate online" thing too. Who's auditing the books? Who's getting the money? Who decides who gets paid? Thses questions need to be asked at tonights GA. Oct 13 14:48:33 I didn't get that sense in the circle around camp #2 bu obiously my perspective was limmited to the few peopel to either side... Oct 13 14:48:41 also has anyone figured out the mailing donations yet? theres alot of people on facebook asking for people to pick up items on the way to boston. Oct 13 14:48:51 and someone said they may be setting up a PO box Oct 13 14:48:52 * crisp (~Crispy@cfkj-08o.noisetor.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:48:59 elliot is a spy Oct 13 14:49:01 jproulx... night of the raid, post raid, a woman fell on the bricks and hit her head. Our medics assessed her and determined she had a laceration on the forehead requiring stitiches a possible sprain or broken arm, and a possible concussion Oct 13 14:49:01 * highfive (~charles@gnva7.torproxy.org) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:49:05 ctwalrus: the donations are being handled by logistics just fine. We got everyone bailed out Monday night Oct 13 14:49:10 * Blast43 (~Blast43@tllfxnbnpheutn.torservers.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:49:13 we summoned an ambulance for her by way of police officer Oct 13 14:49:16 for the bilderberg group Oct 13 14:49:19 ctwalrus, there was a financial group set up of people I would trust, though don't know if it has continued Oct 13 14:49:37 leftyfb: knows all Oct 13 14:49:40 police radioed in "Woman fell and cracked her skull send ambulance to dewey park" Oct 13 14:49:42 * Received a malformed DCC request from Blast43. * Contents of packet: DCC SEND "FAGGOTS_HIPPIES_NIGGERS_GO_BACK_TO_WORK" 0 0 0 Oct 13 14:49:42 * lovecrime has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 14:49:42 * gene has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 14:49:42 * Mumbles has quit (Write error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 14:49:44 tripp_: far from it Oct 13 14:49:45 oh he an op Oct 13 14:49:46 * hollerrrrr (~hollerrrr@iwcm-953-892-52.wrls-client.fas.harvard.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:49:49 * MediaTent (~MediaTent@ng-54-779-240-730.public.wayport.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:49:49 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to MediaTent Oct 13 14:49:50 abd pacmen.org offerd to have donatoins shipped to them and they would bring them few times a week Oct 13 14:49:54 * leftyfb sets ban on *!*@tllfxnbnpheutn.torservers.net Oct 13 14:49:54 * leftyfb has kicked Blast43 from #occupyboston (Blast43) Oct 13 14:49:57 this went out over the scanner feed and the twitter feeed, and everyone assumed the cops beat her with sticks Oct 13 14:50:02 hi guys, I'm just someone who's watching all this with interest and trying to think about it. For a decade I've done occasional live webcasts for my employer, as well as online classroom recordings. Anyhow I find myself wishing the webcam was on more even if nothing in particular is happening. Last night I was remembering a 2-way video experiment in Coolidge Corner and Dudley Sq. -- called virtual street corners. It had 2-way audio, so was like a vid Oct 13 14:50:02 eoconference in a public space. I witnessed it and it was cool, though prone to failures. Anyhow I think it would cool if you could do that with other Occupy sites, or even with other areas of Boston. Here's a story on the Virtual Street Corners experiment: http://www.bostonlowbrow.com/2010/05/john-ewing-virtual-street-corners/ Oct 13 14:50:02 * Mumbles (~beaner@apcm-367-469-03-101.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:50:05 ah dude the spammer from #occupywallstreet is in here now Oct 13 14:50:08 * lovecrime (~lovecrime@b-57-933-46-146.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:50:14 got him Oct 13 14:50:15 is there a march today at 5? Oct 13 14:50:18 * lovecrime has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 14:50:19 * MediaTent1 (~MediaTent@ng-54-779-240-730.public.wayport.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:50:26 * Mumbles has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 14:50:29 leftyfb: The other guy was called mastrblastr. Oct 13 14:50:31 moonunitzappa: did you end up bringing your ethernet cable to the camp? Oct 13 14:50:33 zzzzzzzzzzzz good luck Oct 13 14:50:41 Media? Oct 13 14:50:42 * lovecrime (~lovecrime@b-57-933-46-146.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:50:43 just my 2 cents. Maybe I can find a way to help with A/V initiatives at some point. Oct 13 14:50:48 * Mumbles (~beaner@apcm-367-469-03-101.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:50:49 moonunitzappa: were you referring to the guy I just booted? Oct 13 14:50:52 yea Oct 13 14:50:54 * tripp_ (~tripp_@kqzt-174-72-114-098.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 13 14:50:55 No one I know got bailed out. We all went right from Jail to Court no one (I know of) had bail set Oct 13 14:50:55 and yea Oct 13 14:50:57 * Mumbles has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 14:51:00 * hollerrrrr has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 14:51:02 moonunitzappa: any idea how long it is? Oct 13 14:51:02 * lovecrime has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 14:51:10 MediaTent: welcome! :) Oct 13 14:51:13 LOL! I just saw the DCC request. Oct 13 14:51:14 Nice. Oct 13 14:51:21 * Mumbles (~beaner@apcm-367-469-03-101.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:51:28 * lovecrime (~lovecrime@b-57-933-46-146.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:51:30 im heading up there today and will bring my spool, i i only brought a small amount becuase my bag was full Oct 13 14:51:31 jpr, 80 people found 40 bucks to bail out with, and the bail money helped pay fines Oct 13 14:51:45 moonunitzappa: cool, we might need a good amount of it tonight Oct 13 14:51:52 moonunitzappa: enough to go from media to logistics Oct 13 14:51:56 * lovecrime is now known as Guest93013 Oct 13 14:51:56 * MediaTent1 is now known as MediaTent_Rel Oct 13 14:52:02 ok, dont have crimps Oct 13 14:52:04 What do you make of this? http://www.youtube.com/embed/tsH8xvjTAlo Oct 13 14:52:05 just the wire Oct 13 14:52:11 but I was medic attending when the let people out of court, I saw no evidence of anyone being beaten or any mistreatment by the police Oct 13 14:52:13 OK, so hard to figure out WTF happened even from the middle of it... Oct 13 14:52:15 * Guest93013 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 14:52:20 do you guys have a group working on policy/ideas? Anyone? Oct 13 14:52:20 * rydyc (~gene@m-61-872-791-771.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:52:25 you heading up tonight leftyfb Oct 13 14:52:26 * Mumbles has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 14:52:29 moonunitzappa: yes Oct 13 14:52:40 nice what time? Oct 13 14:52:44 after work Oct 13 14:52:46 * Mumbles (~beaner@apcm-367-469-03-101.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:52:47 not sure yet Oct 13 14:52:48 * Guest93013 (~lovecrime@b-57-933-46-146.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:52:50 Grumpy, meh? what am I looking at Oct 13 14:52:52 speaking of which. .. I need to get back to it Oct 13 14:52:53 bbl Oct 13 14:52:54 * Guest93013 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 14:52:55 * felix (~felix@84-369-35-695-inasnsvggb.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:52:56 * Mumbles has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 14:53:00 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to marxistvegan Oct 13 14:53:03 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to MediaTent_Rel Oct 13 14:53:06 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to Leighton Oct 13 14:53:06 ALERT For those in camp, do not have sex with the girl in the red dress and boots....she gets very clingy and needy after......just puttin it out there. Oct 13 14:53:09 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to jproulx Oct 13 14:53:12 * siegfail (~AndChat@ak71952c5.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:53:16 Obama is siding with the Mexican gov't against the citizens of Arizona...WTF? Oct 13 14:53:21 * Guest93013 (~lovecrime@b-57-933-46-146.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:53:21 * leftyfb sets ban on *!*@209.104.llq.gwi Oct 13 14:53:21 * leftyfb has kicked ctwalrus from #occupyboston (ctwalrus) Oct 13 14:53:21 * unholycrap has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 14:53:24 ill be heading up around 6 but am driving so i just gotta drop it off Oct 13 14:53:25 * Mumbles (~beaner@apcm-367-469-03-101.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:53:30 * Mumbles has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 14:53:31 * Guest93013 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 14:53:32 Hey Everyone Oct 13 14:53:32 any need for old towers? Oct 13 14:53:37 Lefty, I am here Oct 13 14:53:38 i have some crappy Pcs here Oct 13 14:53:40 LMAO!! Oct 13 14:53:41 twitter reports camp needs legal observers asap. I'm at work but can get down there. what's going on? Oct 13 14:53:43 moonunitzappa: no, laptops, with good batteries Oct 13 14:53:45 The Stallion Oct 13 14:53:46 * Mumbles (~beaner@apcm-367-469-03-101.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:53:47 A full grown stallion's cock, when fully erect, will measure some two to Oct 13 14:53:48 i like needy and clingy Oct 13 14:53:49 Wtf is going on at camp right now? Oct 13 14:53:49 three feet long. It can be three to six inches thick at the base, to about Oct 13 14:53:50 i think its cute Oct 13 14:53:51 leftyfb: Hittin' y'all hard, huh? Oct 13 14:53:52 * Mumbles has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 14:53:52 two inches thick at the head. Horses are somewhat different from other Oct 13 14:53:53 * Guest93013 (~lovecrime@b-57-933-46-146.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:53:53 animals in the way their cock head works. When a horse is fully erect and Oct 13 14:53:55 excited and ready to mount, his cock head is somewhat pointed and not as Oct 13 14:53:58 thick as might be normally observed. This is to facillatate an easier Oct 13 14:53:59 * Guest93013 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 14:53:59 LMAO! Oct 13 14:54:00 entry into the mare. After the horse has entered and reaches a climax the Oct 13 14:54:03 head swells (though it is more spongy then hard) into a fist sized mass as Oct 13 14:54:05 he ejacultates. It is thought that this serves as a plug to force the Oct 13 14:54:06 * leftyfb sets ban on *!*@cfkj-08o.noisetor.net Oct 13 14:54:08 * DanSt has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 14:54:08 ROFLMAO! Oct 13 14:54:11 * Mumbles (~beaner@apcm-367-469-03-101.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:54:15 Copypasta. Oct 13 14:54:20 * leftyfb sets ban on *!*@apcm-367-469-03-101.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net Oct 13 14:54:20 * leftyfb has kicked Mumbles from #occupyboston (Mumbles) Oct 13 14:54:23 * Guest93013 (~lovecrime@b-57-933-46-146.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:54:31 * crisp has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 13 14:54:34 Are we being raided? :O Oct 13 14:54:39 * Tracywork has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 13 14:54:39 MediaTent_Rel: thank you ... there is the IRC laptop there which is signed on still ... is there nobody in the camp that can monitor it for us? Oct 13 14:54:40 any info on why legal observers needed? Oct 13 14:54:48 you are not being raided Oct 13 14:54:53 We need legal observers! Oct 13 14:55:00 ok, what's going on? Oct 13 14:55:02 LMAO Oct 13 14:55:04 oh thank goodness, media is here Oct 13 14:55:10 felix: R U LAWYER Oct 13 14:55:11 * Tracywork (~yaaic@79-51-85-808.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:55:15 calm these worrywarts Oct 13 14:55:18 MediaTent_Rel: you should get everyone in the camp to take pics/video of all the cops taking pics/video Oct 13 14:55:19 i am a paralegal Oct 13 14:55:21 There are just police everywhere and NGL left for a conference Oct 13 14:55:23 * OccupyBoston082 (~OccupyBos@w-83-05-637-681.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:55:25 * unholycrap (~Computer@606-51-259-245.net.bhntampa.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:55:26 LOL close enough i guess Oct 13 14:55:28 Come down please please Oct 13 14:55:28 we need media observers with telephoto video cameras and remote directional boom mikes Oct 13 14:55:37 ok Oct 13 14:55:43 * ShitByrd (~Crispy@sys-sghy-itqvdt-5mz7.kromyon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:55:44 I will leave as soon as I can Oct 13 14:55:44 the term paralegal makes me think of lawyers with no legs Oct 13 14:55:46 Police everywhere? Oct 13 14:55:51 * leftyfb sets ban on *!*@sys-sghy-itqvdt-5mz7.kromyon.net Oct 13 14:55:51 * leftyfb has kicked ShitByrd from #occupyboston (ShitByrd) Oct 13 14:55:54 I am getting calls from people who were arrested who are very confused and nervous Oct 13 14:56:03 got too many people thinking there are police everywhere, we need to quell the rumors of fear Oct 13 14:56:12 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to TheRavenProject Oct 13 14:56:17 Rel what? Oct 13 14:56:21 TheRavenProject: mind helping out a bit? I gotta get back to work Oct 13 14:56:22 okay sorry. I dont want to scare everyone Oct 13 14:56:36 Rel, what's this about arrests? Oct 13 14:56:37 Sure. Oct 13 14:56:38 I miss the webcam Oct 13 14:56:38 * highfive has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 13 14:56:39 thanks Oct 13 14:56:45 * highfive (~charles@woxj-39v.noisetor.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:56:55 there haven't been any arrests today or yesterday or since monday Oct 13 14:56:57 * JimjamesWE (~James@hffdqlcjgteda.torservers.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:56:57 there are police but its not like they are there to arrest people necessarily Oct 13 14:57:00 ok, good Oct 13 14:57:02 Arrests from Tuesday Oct 13 14:57:19 @MediaTent_Rel I was arrested Tuesday AM, I'm confused why andyone should be confused? Oct 13 14:57:22 * CORNELIU (~Blast43@woxj-39v.noisetor.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:57:29 hey hippies hows boston going Oct 13 14:57:30 * leftyfb sets ban on *!*@woxj-39v.noisetor.net Oct 13 14:57:30 * leftyfb has kicked CORNELIU from #occupyboston (CORNELIU) Oct 13 14:57:31 * TheRavenProject sets ban on corneliu!*@* Oct 13 14:57:37 * eriXtone has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 14:57:39 perhaps somebody should organize some sort of secret disinformation campaign to foil the cops Oct 13 14:57:39 Rel, there for the rally today? Oct 13 14:57:46 Hold up. My aliases all messed up. Oct 13 14:58:08 I am not sure. Oct 13 14:58:22 We shall see Oct 13 14:58:23 * highfive has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 13 14:58:29 we may want to advise people to be more aware of what they do when they are being filmed- the police may intend to gather evidence of substance use to convict people later. Anyone who uses should be aware and prudent Oct 13 14:58:31 Kay, I've got it. Oct 13 14:58:31 * hams (~hams@aah.tc) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:58:51 other than that filming us is rather useless Oct 13 14:58:51 Felix, thats great advice we need you down here talking to people telling people things like that Oct 13 14:59:01 * OccupyBoston677 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 14:59:03 substance convictions aside, that type of footage does a lot to discredit the movement Oct 13 14:59:05 roger REl Oct 13 14:59:08 * cenjmq (~sdwf@hffdqlcjgteda.torservers.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:59:14 "oh theyre just a bunch of drug users" Oct 13 14:59:16 Rel, how many are there you think? Oct 13 14:59:16 Thank you so so much! Oct 13 14:59:16 will get out of work asap Oct 13 14:59:19 Are they still there? Wtf? Oct 13 14:59:25 I THINK Oct 13 14:59:26 LOL Oct 13 14:59:28 OH Oct 13 14:59:28 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to siegfail Oct 13 14:59:32 about 220 sleep at dewy square right now Oct 13 14:59:37 * Jerry (~KenF@rapauj.torservers.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 14:59:41 hi dezi Oct 13 14:59:42 Talking about cops Oct 13 14:59:44 AND DIE Oct 13 14:59:44 GAs are like 300-800 people Oct 13 14:59:46 U guys interested in some pictures Oct 13 14:59:47 * leftyfb sets ban on *!*@hffdqlcjgteda.torservers.net Oct 13 14:59:47 * leftyfb has kicked cenjmq from #occupyboston (cenjmq) Oct 13 14:59:48 * TheRavenProject sets ban on cenjmq!*@* Oct 13 14:59:48 im sure they are just filming to intimidate people Oct 13 15:00:01 I don't actually think they're filming Oct 13 15:00:03 and trying to find something that is illegal and shut us down Oct 13 15:00:03 the user profile doesn't play well with the media but keep in mind the most common kind isn't arrestable... just a $100 misdemeanor and loss of stuff. Hardware is a no-no though. Oct 13 15:00:05 they are doing anything they can to intimidate people Oct 13 15:00:08 I don't think they actually care enough Oct 13 15:00:10 * OccupyBoston643 (~OccupyBos@t-02-29-53-928.hsd4.ct.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:00:12 heh Oct 13 15:00:27 I mean find me cameras of people filming us, honestly Oct 13 15:00:28 MediaTent_Rel: get everyone in camp with cameras to go out and film them filming the camp Oct 13 15:00:31 if they're filming, its likely theyre going to compare footage to criminal records, etc Oct 13 15:00:36 * charlie79 (~charles@rapauj.torservers.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:00:37 * DOMINANT (~dOMINANCE@oqc-mzyl-iiufos43-fsorvd.formlessnetworking.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:00:46 The Stallion Oct 13 15:00:47 see who involved has a record already and whatnot Oct 13 15:00:48 A full grown stallion's cock, when fully erect, will measure some two to Oct 13 15:00:49 three feet long. It can be three to six inches thick at the base, to about Oct 13 15:00:49 every day Seth from Medical sees a new camera in a new window, honestly find me these cameras Oct 13 15:00:50 * OccupyBoston258 (~OccupyBos@w-83-05-637-681.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:00:51 * leftyfb sets ban on *!*@rapauj.torservers.net Oct 13 15:00:51 * leftyfb has kicked charlie79 from #occupyboston (charlie79) Oct 13 15:00:52 * TheRavenProject sets ban on *!*@*.formlessnetworking.net Oct 13 15:00:53 video analytics........i do it for a living Oct 13 15:00:58 humanmichael, you need to stop being alarmist. Oct 13 15:00:59 Will film them tonight. Oct 13 15:01:05 i'm not being an alarmist Oct 13 15:01:13 ok Oct 13 15:01:22 hes right, i do it for a living Oct 13 15:01:24 I'd say they're identifying who they want to target the next time they batch-arrest. They can't get everyone, so they want the ones they don't like or think have leadership qualities. Oct 13 15:01:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] I feel like M.I.A.'s MAYA would be the perfect soundtrack for #OccupyWallSt and #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/certaintragedy/statuses/124559976437002241 Oct 13 15:01:25 that is routine for police when dealing with large protests Oct 13 15:01:26 * TheRavenProject sets alias ban to kickban. Oct 13 15:01:27 * DOMINANT has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 15:01:33 Ugh. I miss mIRC. Oct 13 15:01:46 all I know is there's a lot of fear from rhetoric, paranoia and qualifiable bullshit. And I'm quite tired of all the noise Oct 13 15:01:47 my dad and grandfather were both in the nypd Oct 13 15:01:48 * JimjamesWE has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 13 15:01:55 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to moonunitzappa Oct 13 15:02:00 * banobo (~James@zuom-84a.noisetor.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:02:08 They are using the footage and using video anlytic software to see if their are any known felons/anarchists/criminals Oct 13 15:02:16 there is very little reason to be afraid of cops, unless you have a phobia of scraped knees and zip ties Oct 13 15:02:26 EPIC ALERT:::::: BOSTON SHIT GETTING REAL http://occupy.on.nimp.org/boston <--------------------- WTF IS THIS REALLY HAPPENING? http://occupy.on.nimp.org/boston Oct 13 15:02:29 EPIC ALERT:::::: BOSTON SHIT GETTING REAL http://occupy.on.nimp.org/boston <--------------------- WTF IS THIS REALLY HAPPENING? http://occupy.on.nimp.org/boston Oct 13 15:02:31 I do not mind helping out Oct 13 15:02:31 * DizziDaizi (~DizziDaiz@47g0279u.bb.sky.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:02:32 EPIC ALERT:::::: BOSTON SHIT GETTING REAL http://occupy.on.nimp.org/boston <--------------------- WTF IS THIS REALLY HAPPENING? http://occupy.on.nimp.org/boston Oct 13 15:02:33 * TheRavenProject sets ban on *!*James@zuom-84a.noisetor.net Oct 13 15:02:33 * TheRavenProject has kicked banobo from #occupyboston (banobo) Oct 13 15:02:39 uhhh Oct 13 15:02:41 the PTZ in the area are also being used but they are to high off the ground Oct 13 15:02:44 Do not click that link. Oct 13 15:02:45 wtf was that Oct 13 15:02:56 trolls are pretty active when it rains eh Oct 13 15:02:59 nimp.org page trying to give us viruses. Oct 13 15:03:00 Yeah. Oct 13 15:03:00 yeah Oct 13 15:03:28 I get the privacy implications of using Tor, but security wise it just sucks. Oct 13 15:03:31 * Adolf_H (~Adolfo@zuom-84a.noisetor.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:03:33 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Oct 13 15:03:34 DONT Oct 13 15:03:37 * TheRavenProject sets ban on *!*Adolfo@zuom-84a.noisetor.net Oct 13 15:03:37 * TheRavenProject has kicked Adolf_H from #occupyboston (Adolf_H) Oct 13 15:03:51 ♥ Oct 13 15:03:54 * DizziDaizi has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 15:03:56 * DizziDaizi (~DizziDaiz@47g0279u.bb.sky.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:04:08 * OccupyBoston253 (~OccupyBos@x-21-615-98-789.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:04:15 * JackJohnson (~jojo@zuom-84a.noisetor.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:04:31 * Received a malformed DCC request from JackJohnson. * Contents of packet: DCC SEND "NIGGERS_OWNED_BY_R4L_LOLOLOL" 0 0 0 Oct 13 15:04:31 * rydyc has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 15:04:31 * Guest93013 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 15:04:32 * Received a malformed DCC request from JackJohnson. * Contents of packet: DCC SEND "NIGGERS_OWNED_BY_R4L_LOLOLOL" 0 0 0 Oct 13 15:04:32 * Received a malformed DCC request from JackJohnson. * Contents of packet: DCC SEND "NIGGERS_OWNED_BY_R4L_LOLOLOL" 0 0 0 Oct 13 15:04:32 * Received a malformed DCC request from JackJohnson. * Contents of packet: DCC SEND "NIGGERS_OWNED_BY_R4L_LOLOLOL" 0 0 0 Oct 13 15:04:32 * Received a malformed DCC request from JackJohnson. * Contents of packet: DCC SEND "NIGGERS_OWNED_BY_R4L_LOLOLOL" 0 0 0 Oct 13 15:04:33 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: On another note, medic needs raincoats. The ponchos aren't cutting it: they keep having to take them off, and then get all wet. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124558870940094464 Oct 13 15:04:34 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Apparently they are filming the civil disobedience training? This is why we have a Gandhi statue, folks... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124559149471240193 Oct 13 15:04:35 * Received a malformed DCC request from JackJohnson. * Contents of packet: DCC SEND "NIGGERS_OWNED_BY_R4L_LOLOLOL" 0 0 0 Oct 13 15:04:36 * TheRavenProject sets ban on *!*jojo@zuom-84a.noisetor.net Oct 13 15:04:36 * TheRavenProject has kicked JackJohnson from #occupyboston (JackJohnson) Oct 13 15:04:41 back, just getting ready to hop in the T and join you guys Oct 13 15:04:42 Are there others other questions I can answer for you guys Oct 13 15:04:51 * rydyc (~gene@m-61-872-791-771.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:04:58 * Guest93013 (~lovecrime@b-57-933-46-146.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:04:59 Bostongeorge: GREAT! Oct 13 15:05:04 MediaTent_Rel: do we have anywhere were we can mail donations? Oct 13 15:05:06 * j0 (~Balla@zuom-84a.noisetor.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:05:11 everything status quo this morning Oct 13 15:05:12 i know alot of people who cant make it who want to donater Oct 13 15:05:26 i know pacmen.org offerd to take packages but dont know much about them Oct 13 15:05:34 * Guest93013 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 15:05:34 Can anyone look up 'R4L'? Oct 13 15:05:41 * rydyc has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 15:06:00 * rydyc (~gene@m-61-872-791-771.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:06:01 * Guest93013 (~lovecrime@b-57-933-46-146.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:06:01 I know it's just three characters, but it's unique enough. Oct 13 15:06:05 TheRavenProject: in what context? Oct 13 15:06:16 * Received a malformed DCC request from j0. * Contents of packet: DCC SEND "JOIN_#OCCUPYWALLST_ON_FREENODE_FOR_THIS_ABUSE_TO_STOP_OWNED_BY_FREENODE_OWS" 0 0 0 Oct 13 15:06:16 * rydyc has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 15:06:16 * Guest93013 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 15:06:19 * Received a malformed DCC request from j0. * Contents of packet: DCC SEND "JOIN_#OCCUPYWALLST_ON_FREENODE_FOR_THIS_ABUSE_TO_STOP_OWNED_BY_FREENODE_OWS" 0 0 0 Oct 13 15:06:21 r4L is a website Oct 13 15:06:22 * Received a malformed DCC request from j0. * Contents of packet: DCC SEND "JOIN_#OCCUPYWALLST_ON_FREENODE_FOR_THIS_ABUSE_TO_STOP_OWNED_BY_FREENODE_OWS" 0 0 0 Oct 13 15:06:24 * TheRavenProject sets ban on *!*Balla@zuom-84a.noisetor.net Oct 13 15:06:24 * TheRavenProject has kicked j0 from #occupyboston (j0) Oct 13 15:06:26 mediatent, i thought that postal service at dewey was established Oct 13 15:06:32 That DCC request said "OWNED_BY_R4L" Oct 13 15:06:33 * rydyc (~gene@m-61-872-791-771.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:06:42 * Guest93013 (~lovecrime@b-57-933-46-146.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:06:54 ........Are you kidding me? Oct 13 15:06:56 registor 4 less domain mname registry Oct 13 15:07:00 We're being raided by freenode? Oct 13 15:07:05 * JimjamesWE (~James@ifreoos.torservers.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:07:08 moonunitzappa: we are working on that. we will probably sweet details tonight so make sure to follow or ask on IRC later Oct 13 15:07:13 * JackJohnson (~BSZAK@ifreoos.torservers.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:07:22 no, they're trying to somewhat DDoS it Oct 13 15:07:23 YOU GUYS ARE OWNED BY #OCCUPYWALLST ON FUCKING FREENODE Oct 13 15:07:23 * OccupyBoston253 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 15:07:25 * lgoot (~kkzj@bzm.desire.se) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:07:26 * leftyfb sets ban on *!*@ifreoos.torservers.net Oct 13 15:07:26 * leftyfb has kicked JackJohnson from #occupyboston (JackJohnson) Oct 13 15:07:47 DDoS except there's no bot activations. Oct 13 15:07:51 This is all manual. Oct 13 15:07:52 / /|ooo |`'--'|| Oct 13 15:07:56 NO THY ARE WHERE I KEEP MY DATA AND PORN AND ALSO A SMB SHARE Oct 13 15:07:57 thanks lefty :) Oct 13 15:07:58 * TheRavenProject sets ban on *!*kkzj@bzm.desire.se Oct 13 15:07:58 * TheRavenProject has kicked lgoot from #occupyboston (lgoot) Oct 13 15:07:59 * leftyfb sets ban on lgoot!*@* Oct 13 15:08:05 * OccupyBoston570 (~OccupyBos@50.41.ji.rzk) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:08:21 Why so,many trolls? Been quiet. Oct 13 15:08:27 * JimjamesWE has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 15:08:31 TheRavenProject: as in, get all of us to join #occupywallst and stir up drama and confusion Oct 13 15:08:38 * TheRavenProject nods * Oct 13 15:08:43 social DDoS Oct 13 15:08:48 All the same I think having some IRC redundancy would be good -- a backup server/channel in case this one gets successfully degraded. Oct 13 15:08:50 anyone know whether we are expection it to pour this evening? trying to decide how best to dress Oct 13 15:09:09 did you hear the status of Occupy Wall Street? Oct 13 15:09:12 * OccupyBoston664 (~OccupyBos@r-14-71-916-912.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:09:16 Definitely an interesting implementation of social engineering. Oct 13 15:09:20 GeoBos: it needs to be public .. anywhere it exists will be open to this abuse Oct 13 15:09:34 * OccupyBoston664 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 15:09:35 Yes but having 2 is better than 1, if 1 goes down/. Oct 13 15:09:40 it won't go down Oct 13 15:09:41 bostongeorge: Cloudy with occasional showers. Low 61F. Winds light and variable. Chance of rain 60%. Oct 13 15:09:48 http://mobile.wgntv.com/p.p?m=b&a=rp&id=996239&postId=996239&postUserId=30&sessionToken=&catId=7061&curAbsIndex=1&resultsUrl=DID%3D6%26DFCL%3D1000%26DSB%3Drank%2523desc%26DBFQ%3DuserId%253A30%26DL.w%3D%26DL.d%3D10%26DQ%3DsectionId%253A7061%26DPS%3D0%26DPL%3D3 Oct 13 15:09:52 Also, hi from George in Boston. ;-) Oct 13 15:09:59 keep up the good fight all we support u across the country Oct 13 15:10:01 occupy WS refuses to leave the park Oct 13 15:10:05 anyone thought about using google+ in addition to irc? the web of trust would expand by direct links of association, minimizing trolls. we could use the "hangouts" feature. Oct 13 15:10:18 felix: we're trying to get away from google in general Oct 13 15:10:20 * lesbian_tom_hanks (~username@204.116.gu.liz) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:10:22 keep it more in-house Oct 13 15:10:23 whats up folks Oct 13 15:10:27 i know. those people amuse me at this point, but its just a distraction from the work we need to accomplish Oct 13 15:10:27 * leftyfb sets ban on *!*@204.116.gu.liz Oct 13 15:10:27 * leftyfb has kicked lesbian_tom_hanks from #occupyboston (lesbian_tom_hanks) Oct 13 15:10:32 o.o Oct 13 15:10:34 * giv (~pjirc@asr-91-908-18-540.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:10:42 lefty, I think he was good. Oct 13 15:10:48 I don't Oct 13 15:10:59 * StarCrossed (~Moving@838-339-845-387.dyn.centurytel.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:11:01 hahah Oct 13 15:11:09 like this one .. just wait Oct 13 15:11:15 * OccupyBoston570 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 15:12:18 good Oct 13 15:12:22 lefty, are you at camp Oct 13 15:12:23 like to get back to work now Oct 13 15:12:24 no Oct 13 15:12:41 work is totally getting in the way of my participation Oct 13 15:12:52 * Resistance has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 15:12:53 wanted to say hi when i get there, attach a face with a nick, you know Oct 13 15:13:08 * OccupyBoston238 (~OccupyBos@zmsm.mhic.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:13:12 * Guest93013 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 15:13:19 * OccupyBoston654 (~OccupyBos@ajrhdkh.torservers.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:13:21 lth, that you ? Oct 13 15:13:39 * OccupyBoston238 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 15:13:40 * Guest93013 (~lovecrime@b-57-933-46-146.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:13:52 * Meskk has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 15:13:56 Boston, I will be there Oct 13 15:14:01 Me too Oct 13 15:14:06 yayy Oct 13 15:14:15 We shall meet Oct 13 15:14:15 we cant wait to have you! Oct 13 15:14:15 * OccupyBoston817 (~OccupyBos@vbmwknsl.boston.gov) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:14:17 FAGGOTS JOIN #OCCUPYWALLST ON IRC.FREENODE.NET OR THIS ABUSE WILL NOT STOP. OUR FUCKING RULES ARE SIMPLE, STOP SPREADING YOUR STUPID SHIT ELSEWHERE. KEEP IT TOGETHER YOU STUPID FUCKS. ABUSE WILL INCREASE BY THE FUCKING MINUTE UNTIL YOU ARE ALL IN ONE FUCKING GROUP ON IRC.FREENODE.NET, #OCCUPYWALLST. GO THERE NOW OR THE ABUSE WILL CONTINUE WORSE. Oct 13 15:14:20 I've been there for 5 days, I'm on break Oct 13 15:14:22 FAGGOTS JOIN #OCCUPYWALLST ON IRC.FREENODE.NET OR THIS ABUSE WILL NOT STOP. OUR FUCKING RULES ARE SIMPLE, STOP SPREADING YOUR STUPID SHIT ELSEWHERE. KEEP IT TOGETHER YOU STUPID FUCKS. ABUSE WILL INCREASE BY THE FUCKING MINUTE UNTIL YOU ARE ALL IN ONE FUCKING GROUP ON IRC.FREENODE.NET, #OCCUPYWALLST. GO THERE NOW OR THE ABUSE WILL CONTINUE WORSE. Oct 13 15:14:23 * TheRavenProject sets ban on *!*OccupyBos@ajrhdkh.torservers.net Oct 13 15:14:23 * TheRavenProject has kicked OccupyBoston654 from #occupyboston (OccupyBoston654) Oct 13 15:14:29 awesome, i'd like to say hi to you too.. like i said its nice to be able to attach a face to a nick Oct 13 15:14:29 ban that loser Oct 13 15:14:32 Done Oct 13 15:14:33 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @ThatsMyAttorney thanks for the tip. You've been very helpful throughout. Pls feel free to come down sometime- we'll give you a tour! - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124561486747148289 Oct 13 15:14:34 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @carreening we know they're allowed; we just have very visceral fears post-Tuesday morning. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124561816159391745 Oct 13 15:14:50 * lesbian_tom_hanks (~username@uujmth360489.santrex.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:14:54 why did i get banned? Oct 13 15:14:56 lth, change the name man. Oct 13 15:15:06 * lesbian_tom_hanks is now known as no_silliness_allowed Oct 13 15:15:06 * DizziDaizi has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 15:15:08 * DizziDaizi (~DizziDaiz@47g0279u.bb.sky.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:15:08 I actually help out in mediatent on weekenda. Oct 13 15:15:09 Sorry to ask, I know you're good. Oct 13 15:15:15 TheRavenProject: that ban is pretty wide isn't it Oct 13 15:15:16 what is freenode Oct 13 15:15:18 ? Oct 13 15:15:23 its an irc net Oct 13 15:15:23 Hmm. Oct 13 15:15:27 * oxen (~oxen@ajrhdkh.torservers.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:15:40 * moonunitzappa has kicked oxen from #occupyboston (oxen) Oct 13 15:15:52 yeah like OWS needs more chatter Oct 13 15:15:57 * oxen (~oxen@ajrhdkh.torservers.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:15:59 DCC SEND "JOIN_#OCCUPYWALLST_ON_FREENODE_FOR_THIS_ABUSE_TO_STOP_OWNED_BY_FREENODE_OWS" 0 0 0 Oct 13 15:16:03 * moonunitzappa has kicked oxen from #occupyboston (oxen) Oct 13 15:16:07 * TheRavenProject sets ban on oxen!*@* Oct 13 15:16:11 LOL FAIL! Oct 13 15:16:28 so anyrate.... Oct 13 15:16:55 * joman (~joman@ajrhdkh.torservers.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:16:58 any DA people here? Oct 13 15:17:34 * TheRovenProject (~ren@ajrhdkh.torservers.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:17:41 http://occupy.on.nimp.org/boston Oct 13 15:17:42 The hell. Oct 13 15:17:43 * yman has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 13 15:17:44 http://occupy.on.nimp.org/boston Oct 13 15:17:46 http://occupy.on.nimp.org/boston Oct 13 15:17:48 * TheRavenProject sets ban on *!*ren@ajrhdkh.torservers.net Oct 13 15:17:48 * TheRavenProject has kicked TheRovenProject from #occupyboston (TheRovenProject) Oct 13 15:17:56 lol Oct 13 15:18:00 Lol Oct 13 15:18:02 How the hell did it know my name? Oct 13 15:18:06 TheRavenProject: did you register you name on here? Oct 13 15:18:09 Yeah Oct 13 15:18:20 The hell? Oct 13 15:18:26 so I had a thought Oct 13 15:18:33 i gotta see if i have a bag to bring my crappy acoustic in Oct 13 15:18:34 dangerous I know Oct 13 15:18:35 * TheRavenProject sets ban on faggot!*@* Oct 13 15:18:47 Busy Oct 13 15:18:51 * no_silliness_allowed is now known as heyguise Oct 13 15:18:53 Anyone get a hold of a serv op for me, please? Oct 13 15:18:57 whats your thought elliot Oct 13 15:19:11 Now I'm getting repeatedly tapped by random people. Oct 13 15:19:13 cant we just kline the whole tornetwork? Oct 13 15:19:19 no Oct 13 15:19:20 * adna (~dana@u-85-80-165-14.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:19:23 people here use it legitinately Oct 13 15:19:27 legitimately too Oct 13 15:19:33 when I was doing arrestee welcome back from the court house Oct 13 15:19:43 * leftist (~Dongs@ajrhdkh.torservers.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:19:56 anyone actually in boston today? Oct 13 15:19:59 I read the dockett, it appears citybank uses that courthouse in small claims to collect from debtors Oct 13 15:20:04 hows everything been down there Oct 13 15:20:28 I think it might be wise to show up and support people being sued by credit card companies Oct 13 15:20:28 Be,there,soon Oct 13 15:20:30 * Jerry has quit (Quit: leaving) Oct 13 15:20:39 Tracywork: please take over the IRC laptop Oct 13 15:20:40 Tracywork: cool will you still be on IRC when there? Oct 13 15:20:42 * OccupyBoston785 (~OccupyBos@65-065-594-533.dhcp.asfd.ct.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:20:50 ElliottTheMedic I like that idea... Oct 13 15:20:51 maybe have them join us, understand who we are fighting for Oct 13 15:21:01 If they do not say they do not need me. Oct 13 15:21:09 * IndyMedia (~KenF@nxqfhdx.torservers.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:21:10 I have my ipad and phone also Oct 13 15:21:20 and if we disrupt court proceedings, we might get on the news, especially if the citibank lawyer is a douchebag Oct 13 15:21:23 you guys want me to bring irc down there? Oct 13 15:21:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Fara1: About to be on WTKK 96.9FM with @MGraham969. Should be a good listen - we don't agree on much when it comes to #OccupyBoston. - http://twitter.com/brendanbrendan/statuses/124565244919021569 Oct 13 15:21:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @zbleumoon: dˆˆ‘‘‘’ˆ€€ˆ‘ˆ‘‘‘‘ˆˆ€€d dˆˆ‘‘‘’ˆ„’ˆ‘‘ˆ‘‘ˆ‘ˆ€€d dˆˆ„„ˆ’ˆˆ„ˆ‘‘‘ˆˆ‘‘ˆ„„d #OccupyWallStreet #OccupyBoston #OccupyLA #OccupySantaFe #peace - http://twitter.com/OccupyAustria/statuses/124565248131858432 Oct 13 15:21:32 ElliottTheMedic: you reminded me of a good film we could show on the scams of debt collectors and credit card companies Oct 13 15:21:38 joman: we have an IRC laptop there Oct 13 15:21:38 I will try lefty Oct 13 15:21:40 Interesting... I wonder if they would start using the Twitter page. Oct 13 15:21:43 ElliottTheMedic: i strongly encourage you NOT to do that Oct 13 15:21:44 wtf? Oct 13 15:21:50 agreed Oct 13 15:21:53 just sayin Oct 13 15:22:00 Maxed Out! I think have that Oct 13 15:22:05 ok, maybe not disrupt court Oct 13 15:22:10 Lefty, you want me to use that specifically? Oct 13 15:22:29 Tracywork: yes please, unless someone else is using it to monitor and field questions from IRC Oct 13 15:22:36 IndyMedia: can we help you with something? Oct 13 15:22:44 it would be awesome if somebody could get a powerful projector and project movies and videos about credit card debt, etc onto the fed Oct 13 15:22:46 but the docket is put on the 6th floor of the court house near north station, it will list which bank is suing which person Oct 13 15:23:09 If it is being used I will be on as tracycamp Oct 13 15:23:15 * DizziDaizi has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 15:23:17 * DizziDaizi (~DizziDaiz@47g0279u.bb.sky.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:23:27 humanmichael: that would be a bit hard, though I would rather it on a credit card company Oct 13 15:23:46 * OccupyBoston785 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 15:23:54 leftist: can we help you with something? Oct 13 15:23:54 RavenProject, when you ban, do you include a subnet ban, so that the user cannot just click back in super-easily? Like "*!*nickhere@195.57.199.*" Oct 13 15:23:59 marxistvegan, on the building of a credit card company, or the video about a credit card company? Oct 13 15:24:02 huh Oct 13 15:24:08 Except all of these people are tor'ing Oct 13 15:24:13 no but we could watch over the court proceedings and record what we find are questionable practices used against those they take to court Oct 13 15:24:14 No subnet to ban. Oct 13 15:24:16 humanmichael: on the building or billboard of :) Oct 13 15:24:16 * OccupyWorcester has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 15:24:18 leftist: I'm just asking if we can help you with anything. Oct 13 15:24:20 ⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶⒶ Oct 13 15:24:20 There's a lot of people tor'ing Oct 13 15:24:22 I'm tor'ing Oct 13 15:24:28 i dont want anyone to know who the fuck i am here Oct 13 15:24:28 lol Oct 13 15:24:32 * TheRavenProject sets ban on *!*OccupyBos@yriqjl-12-254-45-575.bstnma.fios.verizon.net Oct 13 15:24:32 * TheRavenProject has kicked OccupyBoston584 from #occupyboston (OccupyBoston584) Oct 13 15:24:32 SPIES everywhere in this bitch Oct 13 15:24:47 Bye Oct 13 15:25:03 but the side of the fed is so clean and windowless Oct 13 15:25:29 My workplace blocked Occupy Boston Globe lol Oct 13 15:25:49 everybody knows who I am (if they look at all), butr that's me (I give rack space to the tor project so ++ that) Oct 13 15:26:00 * TheRavenProject high fives jproulx Oct 13 15:26:03 "Potentially dangerous material" Oct 13 15:26:09 * OccupyBoston258 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 15:26:17 oh that's fucked up Oct 13 15:26:24 hey guess what Oct 13 15:26:27 Tracywork: wow need a tor usb yourself apparently :) Oct 13 15:26:45 whats tor ? Oct 13 15:27:00 Ayatollah Ali Khamenei of Iran... has given official endorsement Oct 13 15:27:03 I do. It is just funny. Work for the state. Oct 13 15:27:15 it's an anonymizing proxy service, clear now :) Oct 13 15:27:25 * OccupyBoston817 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 15:27:44 my only concern about Tor is that it obfuscates the connection, but doesn't necessarily protect the data. I feel like I'd have to turn it off when I did any sort of transaction Oct 13 15:27:45 im mayor meniino so i dont mind if anyone sees me Oct 13 15:27:56 sure you are Oct 13 15:27:59 hi mr. mayor. Oct 13 15:28:05 * yuriwho (~yuri@w93-81-55-785.home2.cgocable.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:28:05 Apparently ServOp has been seeing the activity from these sockpuppets, dealing with them. Oct 13 15:28:05 thanks for bunging up our party Oct 13 15:28:11 Huh. I figured a lot of the nuisance people would not be savvy enough to use tor. Oct 13 15:28:19 https://www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en attempt to explain it OccupyBoston643 Oct 13 15:28:36 brb Oct 13 15:28:54 leftist: have you been to the camp yet? Oct 13 15:28:55 I need to talk to legal. Can I lose my job if I am arrested? They do background checks when hired. Do not want to ask union. Oct 13 15:29:25 * Wuzzy (~Wuzzy@c703gu776.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:29:26 leftyfb: why Oct 13 15:29:39 * OccupyBoston351 (~OccupyBos@nsr-00-052-560-981.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:29:40 * hosap (~hosap@otkk-67-88-832-993.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:29:40 If it is a civil infraction its more of a parking ticket and dont think it goes on your record Oct 13 15:29:48 leftist: Just asking if you've had a chance to check it out and help out at all. Oct 13 15:29:49 * OccupyBoston117 (~OccupyBos@167-686-107-6.c7-2.wtr-ubr7.sbo-wtr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:29:57 I figured that. Oct 13 15:29:57 leftyfb: why are you asking *me* Oct 13 15:30:09 leftyfb: seems like you have some sort of obsession directed at me Oct 13 15:30:22 leftyfb: get off my nuts Oct 13 15:30:40 nick maverickdragon Oct 13 15:30:41 leftist: that Oct 13 15:30:42 Lol Oct 13 15:30:42 * micah (~micah@riseup.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:30:45 crap Oct 13 15:30:48 's a farely common question in here Oct 13 15:30:51 hail citizens Oct 13 15:30:54 fairly* Oct 13 15:30:54 I heard there's a fund to help defray court costs for some of the people arrested. how do you do that? Oct 13 15:30:55 wow Oct 13 15:31:03 my brain has melted Oct 13 15:31:03 http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/111012/ayatollah-ali-khamenei-occupy-wall-street-iran <--- can't tell if we Oct 13 15:31:07 humanmichael: what Oct 13 15:31:09 can use this Oct 13 15:31:22 https://www.wepay.com/donate/42546 is legal fund link Oct 13 15:31:27 leftist: it is pretty common to ask others in here whether or not they've been to camp Oct 13 15:31:45 i dont care Oct 13 15:31:47 117, it's called a hat, you pass it around and ask people for a dollar.... once you hit 40 or 50, you pretty much save the ay Oct 13 15:31:51 get off my nuts Oct 13 15:31:59 leftist: be respectful or leave. Oct 13 15:32:14 leftist: thus far, you've shown no interest or support and have only been disrespectful Oct 13 15:32:20 ALLRIGHT FINE Oct 13 15:32:23 leftist: not on your nuts. you're just being a jerk. we're all just being friendly and whatnot Oct 13 15:32:26 im just a little pissy today ALRIGHT Oct 13 15:32:48 * OccupyBoston363 (~OccupyBos@a-61-708-82-61.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:32:48 I'm pissy every day... like pissing into an ocean of piss I am Oct 13 15:32:55 lol Oct 13 15:32:59 lol Oct 13 15:33:00 * Savagefish has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 13 15:33:22 * chelle has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 15:33:23 have any idea how hard it is to be a right wing republican in that camp? Oct 13 15:33:43 ElliottTheMedic: no Oct 13 15:33:46 * DizziDaizi has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 15:33:47 ElliottTheMedic: are you one? Oct 13 15:33:48 * DizziDaizi (~DizziDaiz@47g0279u.bb.sky.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:33:50 give me an idea Oct 13 15:33:53 so when i go there i'll know Oct 13 15:33:58 * OccupyBoston363 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 15:33:58 how do you change your nick, I forget Oct 13 15:34:01 a woman in camp the other day told me she was there because she wants to restore traditional judeo christian values, and abolish the fed Oct 13 15:34:02 hard for me to deal with hippies and shit Oct 13 15:34:03 for everyone's consideration: http://www.15october.net/ Oct 13 15:34:10 you type /nick and then an ew nick Oct 13 15:34:23 :[ Oct 13 15:34:35 thanks Oct 13 15:34:38 sorry to hear that joman Oct 13 15:34:48 been years since I used IRC Oct 13 15:35:07 * OccupyBoston351 is now known as MaverickDragon Oct 13 15:35:09 The Stallion Oct 13 15:35:10 A full grown stallion's cock, when fully erect, will measure some two to Oct 13 15:35:14 three feet long. It can be three to six inches thick at the base, to about Oct 13 15:35:16 two inches thick at the head. Horses are somewhat different from other Oct 13 15:35:16 animals in the way their cock head works. When a horse is fully erect and Oct 13 15:35:19 excited and ready to mount, his cock head is somewhat pointed and not as Oct 13 15:35:22 * joman (~joman@ajrhdkh.torservers.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 13 15:35:30 hey lefty Oct 13 15:35:37 * Tracywork is now known as boredatwork Oct 13 15:35:39 as a right winger I can survive in hippy shit simply because I can debate it openly. However when you have hippies who are afraid you get fearful rhetoric. Fear is a big motivator on both sides of the political spectrum, rthe left fears global warming, the right fears terrorists Oct 13 15:35:41 yeah Oct 13 15:35:42 * CrispJack (~joman@ajrhdkh.torservers.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:35:44 quite a few spurts to accomplish this. Each time his tail will raise and Oct 13 15:35:45 many idiots in here? Oct 13 15:35:46 lower in a brief flick. The first few jets are of a thin to average Oct 13 15:35:49 consistency of cum. The final few jets are of a thick gelatinous Oct 13 15:35:51 substance... it is thought that this serves to "seal" the mares pussy so Oct 13 15:35:52 * MediaTent_Rel has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 15:35:54 that the semen has time to do it's thing before leaking out. Horse semen Oct 13 15:35:56 is extremely viscous, if you touch your finger to a pool of it you can draw Oct 13 15:36:00 That's not cool Oct 13 15:36:01 Yo... what kinda idiot you lookin for? Oct 13 15:36:02 a thin string of it five to six feet long! Horse cum has a nice flat taste Oct 13 15:36:04 * MediaTent has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 13 15:36:05 to it...not at all bitter like man's cum. You can easily drink cups of it Oct 13 15:36:05 * leftyfb sets ban on *!*@ajrhdkh.torservers.net Oct 13 15:36:06 * leftyfb has kicked CrispJack from #occupyboston (CrispJack) Oct 13 15:36:06 Lol Oct 13 15:36:07 we need to be united Oct 13 15:36:10 How the hell am I getting robo calls now. Oct 13 15:36:17 mike re: your "woman in camp" story- peeps are gonna come fro every direction & perspective in this movement Oct 13 15:36:20 They just started calling me Oct 13 15:36:59 yes but george, we need only ONE issue to untie us on, not anything dealing with the left wing issues or right wing issues Oct 13 15:37:00 robo calls? Oct 13 15:37:05 hosap: i know. i just wasn't in the mood to debate gay marriage and reproductive rights. i had to walk away, as that seemed to be what she wanted Oct 13 15:37:09 * SiSSy (~dave@52-72-495-99-ieebghbl.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:37:19 * Grumpy has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 15:37:28 Yeah. 202 area code. First one was for some sort of cruise. Second one was about occupy wall street and did I support it, press 1 press 2 kinda thing. Oct 13 15:37:38 sure gay rights, socialized medicine, enviornmental protection, and homless advocacy need to be talked about, but NOT NOW... we need to look at one issue, one key issue, and have that being unifiying Oct 13 15:37:50 you know that you are being tracked Oct 13 15:37:51 * OccupyBoston438 (~OccupyBos@oyue-92-140-21-080.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:37:59 exactly, elliot. focus on what unites us, rather than what divides us Oct 13 15:38:05 think 202's nyc Oct 13 15:38:14 * IndyMedia (~KenF@nxqfhdx.torservers.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 13 15:38:16 202 is DC Oct 13 15:38:23 i work in a call center ;) Oct 13 15:38:27 oh, the gov Oct 13 15:38:30 mike there is wisdom in strategic retreat :) Oct 13 15:38:30 * OccupyBoston438 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 15:38:41 Stopped raining Oct 13 15:38:57 i agree to elliot, didnt that get brout up in ga in like the third night Oct 13 15:38:59 be very careful occupy Oct 13 15:39:01 hosap: i agree. Oct 13 15:39:14 MaverickDragon: careful of what? Oct 13 15:39:18 I mean we don't even have an end game strategy or what defines winning condiions for our movement... Oct 13 15:39:46 i think even what defines "winning" varies widely from person to person Oct 13 15:39:51 the government, aka bpd is preparing a crackdown Oct 13 15:39:54 and THAT'S a problem Oct 13 15:39:56 Elliott I think lots of people agree Oct 13 15:40:00 i think my definition of winning is more radical than most Oct 13 15:40:12 human michael, is it the one that does special olypics, and dnc... the call center that is Oct 13 15:40:17 but i'm certainly not alone Oct 13 15:40:23 why do you think BPD is prepping a crack down Mav Oct 13 15:40:24 listen, you are not playing a game anymore Oct 13 15:40:25 mike giving way more an asian taoist concept- kinda foreign to ahead at all costs thinking in west Oct 13 15:40:26 I'm defining winning for this movement somewhat less radically than winning for me :) Oct 13 15:40:33 no, boston, its a floral relay service Oct 13 15:40:39 MaverickDragon: If you have no creditable evidence then leave the rumors out Oct 13 15:40:58 I observe Oct 13 15:41:11 ok lets do rumor control right now Oct 13 15:41:11 oh, right on. Oct 13 15:41:12 Getting ready to leave. See yo you latr r. Oct 13 15:41:15 and know our government well Oct 13 15:41:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Folks from United Steel Workers at #occupyboston #fb http://t.co/YVwy8eVD - http://twitter.com/taliawhyte/statuses/124570283528040448 Oct 13 15:41:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @taliawhyte: Folks from United Steel Workers at #occupyboston #fb http://t.co/YVwy8eVD - http://twitter.com/OccupyBostonBot/statuses/124570293434986496 Oct 13 15:41:33 * WTP has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 15:41:58 * boredatwork has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 13 15:42:08 ok you observe and know our government well... = rhetoric. Move on to the next point, why do you think the BPD is cracking down on us? Oct 13 15:42:13 I can see what's happening Oct 13 15:42:16 MaverickDragon you are providing no content to your claims... Oct 13 15:42:17 I'm gonna debunk your ass here and now Oct 13 15:42:30 there's nothing to debunk, there is nothing there... Oct 13 15:42:31 turn on the scanner Oct 13 15:42:32 you can see what's happening = RHETORIC... make a point Oct 13 15:42:38 MaverickDragon: please don't spread baseless rumors. If you have some tangible evidence, then please present it here in support. Oct 13 15:42:44 *starts rolling his wrists around one another* Oct 13 15:43:04 just a sec Oct 13 15:43:11 we can give you a second... Oct 13 15:43:17 lemme restart my scanner ap Oct 13 15:43:31 * DizziDaizi has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 15:43:33 * DizziDaizi (~DizziDaiz@47g0279u.bb.sky.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:43:42 anyone else have this scanner ap? Oct 13 15:44:06 I'm asking google about it, but not yet... Oct 13 15:44:07 what county is boston in? Oct 13 15:44:16 Suffolk Oct 13 15:44:17 suffolk Oct 13 15:44:21 ElliottTheMedic: nothing on the scanners Oct 13 15:44:26 suffolk Oct 13 15:44:28 I'm listening now, regular crime chatter. Oct 13 15:44:28 figured Oct 13 15:44:33 Here's what a boston.com article says about Menino's position, in an article today: "So long as the protest is peaceful and safe, Mayor Thomas M. Menino is inclined to let demonstrators stay in Dewey Square, part of the Rose F. Kennedy Greenway. ?No time limit,?? said Menino?s spokeswoman, Dot Joyce, ?so long as they maintain an atmosphere conducive to public safety.??" Oct 13 15:44:39 MaverickDragon: people here are listening to the BPD scanner channels as well. Unfortunately, as important things go on, the BPD moves to a private channel. So there's not much you can get from it. Oct 13 15:45:15 GeoBos... did you just cut and paste that from somewhere? Oct 13 15:45:21 Yes Oct 13 15:45:27 this scanner app may have more channels Oct 13 15:45:27 http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2011/10/13/occupy_boston_raises_thousands_of_dollars_on_internet/?p1=News_links Oct 13 15:45:34 I read that boston.com article earlier today as well. Oct 13 15:45:38 mayor of boston talking like mayor of ny Oct 13 15:45:45 * OccupyNana (~OccupyNan@yriqjl-12-254-45-575.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:46:03 * OccupyBoston643 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 15:46:09 Menino wants to respect our rights to peacably assemble and hold protest, but he also wants us to respect property rights Oct 13 15:46:10 I know there's a "condition" in there but it did sound hopeful to me. Menino already has enough union trouble, after all. Oct 13 15:46:22 don't do any j-walking though :) Oct 13 15:46:25 OccupyNana: 2 * 10 - 2 = ? Oct 13 15:46:30 our conditions are not to shit where we eat... that's all Oct 13 15:46:32 MaverickDragon: your scanner app does not have the private channels the BPD moves to when they want to keep things from the public. Oct 13 15:46:36 there was an article the other day saying occupiers wer armed Oct 13 15:46:50 what Oct 13 15:46:52 * schock has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 15:46:57 MaverickDragon: stop the trolling Oct 13 15:47:09 not trolling Oct 13 15:47:12 MaverickDragon: Are you here for any other reason other than to stir up drama and rumors? Oct 13 15:47:12 MaverickDragon: baseless accusation Oct 13 15:47:20 no Oct 13 15:47:23 bring links or go home :) Oct 13 15:47:24 we are not armed, and the police did not use excessive force Oct 13 15:47:27 period Oct 13 15:47:29 I will Oct 13 15:47:30 MaverickDragon: then please leave Oct 13 15:47:56 the media is twisting things Oct 13 15:48:06 you are twisting things and making things up Oct 13 15:48:09 MaverickDragon: we know this and you are adding to it Oct 13 15:48:15 and trying to stir up confusion and fear Oct 13 15:48:20 yes because idiots like you start making things up and don't know what rumor control is Oct 13 15:48:26 * rs (~rs@i-85-30-63-031.hsd2.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:48:34 You have to be careful what you say in here. Members of the media might be in here as we speak. Oct 13 15:48:36 who decides rumors? Oct 13 15:48:38 * OccupyBoston611 (~OccupyBos@82.77.ztv.jw) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:48:45 * flab1 (~flab1@wqrrlz.torservers.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:48:49 Dragon, are you anywhere NEAR boston? Oct 13 15:48:57 you had to ask what county it was in Oct 13 15:48:59 new hampshire Oct 13 15:49:00 He's in Maine. Oct 13 15:49:03 fyi you get kicked out if you use the anarchy symbol Oct 13 15:49:04 ElliottTheMedic: by my count he is in Maine Oct 13 15:49:06 quick thought: some of the debate about our occupation has centered around the aesthetic question, i.e. are we trashing the park. I think it would be good both as a community exercise, a productive diversion from stress, and a demonstration of our stewardship to outsiders if we were to start planting, gardening, and landscaping Oct 13 15:49:13 I know winter's coming and everything Oct 13 15:49:15 OccupyNana: What are you talking about? Oct 13 15:49:20 haha Oct 13 15:49:22 i did! Oct 13 15:49:22 felix: that's already been planned Oct 13 15:49:28 ok cool Oct 13 15:49:31 ok... we're officially closer to the action by way of geography, We know what's real and what's rumor Oct 13 15:49:33 felix: we will be back next Earth Day to replant Oct 13 15:49:39 Well, lets see if you don't have referneces, haven't witnessed anything, and yet make vague claims and assertions, I think that's probably the dictionary definition of rumors... Oct 13 15:49:55 im getting so fucking pissed off Oct 13 15:50:01 leftyfb: awesome Oct 13 15:50:03 * koxcmba (~nlarqa@hohatfe.it) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:50:06 MaverickDragon: FYI rumors are things that cannot be backed with evidence if you cannot give anything creditable then leave Oct 13 15:50:07 so just take it as a fact that when someone from boston says "we are not armed, and want only peaceful protesting" then we are not armed and only want peaceful protests Oct 13 15:50:08 LOL Oct 13 15:50:08 really just observations Oct 13 15:50:14 there's some goddamn acid rain shit happening around this BITCH Oct 13 15:50:15 * TheRavenProject sets ban on *!*nlarqa@hohatfe.it Oct 13 15:50:15 * TheRavenProject has kicked koxcmba from #occupyboston (koxcmba) Oct 13 15:50:20 you're not objective in your observations Oct 13 15:50:21 * TheRavenProject sets ban on *!*flab1@wqrrlz.torservers.net Oct 13 15:50:21 * TheRavenProject has kicked flab1 from #occupyboston (flab1) Oct 13 15:50:26 [Occupy Boston] Things Needed - http://occupyboston.com/2011/10/13/things-needed/ Oct 13 15:50:45 I see things people may miss Oct 13 15:50:57 but the things you pick up you misinterpret Oct 13 15:51:17 /ignore Oct 13 15:51:20 Any ops verify flabl? Oct 13 15:51:32 TheRavenProject: I didn't get the chance to Oct 13 15:51:33 like how the gov. has got approval to fly armed drones over american soil Oct 13 15:51:39 was there any communication from bpd before they showed w/ cameras today? Oct 13 15:51:46 spikes) after? Oct 13 15:51:48 dude, you're a NEW OP, you need to STOP THE OP ABUSE Oct 13 15:51:49 Who are you? Oct 13 15:51:49 you just kicked me for some fucking reason Oct 13 15:52:04 Did BPD show up with cameras today?? verify anyone? Oct 13 15:52:12 I can donate nails, but what is the spikes mean? Oct 13 15:52:19 In the things needed list Oct 13 15:52:25 felix I was thinking myself that instead of the conservancy grading and resodding a public veggie garden would be awesome. But in fact the use of the square is better suited to the food trucks and the like. Oct 13 15:52:28 I CAN DONATE HUGS Oct 13 15:52:30 lots of pd's use cell phones now for sensitive comm. Oct 13 15:53:18 aye, did you have any warning before being filmed? Oct 13 15:53:20 Maverick STFU and GTFO, you are a hazardous propaganda machine which will cause more fear and paranoia than actually protect people Oct 13 15:53:22 MaverickDragon: can we spot with the conspiracy theories and rumor-mongering? Just stop or leave. Oct 13 15:53:26 * DizziDaizi has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 15:53:28 * DizziDaizi (~DizziDaiz@47g0279u.bb.sky.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:53:45 Can anyone confirm that BPD brought cameras to film today? Oct 13 15:53:49 I'm not a conspiricy theriost Oct 13 15:53:53 elliott: OB twitter said that they are filming "civ. disobedience traning" i don't have confirmation beyond that Oct 13 15:53:57 PEOPLE WERE SAYING THERE WERE COPS FILMING IN THE CHAT TODAY Oct 13 15:53:58 GeoBos: I agree, I think a veggie garden would be great Oct 13 15:54:07 the only issue is the approaching winter Oct 13 15:54:10 JS Oct 13 15:54:13 I have asburgers Oct 13 15:54:17 we can still grow seedlings in a greenhouse Oct 13 15:54:21 * OccupyBoston714 (~OccupyBos@w-83-05-637-681.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:54:23 people were saying Nana, but did it happen? Oct 13 15:54:37 to quote my old 4chan ways. PICTS OR GTFO Oct 13 15:54:38 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @richmun50: @Occupy_Boston Mayor not answering phone. Call Gov at 617-725-4005, AG 617-727-2200, Senate Brown 202-224-4543/Kerry 202- ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124571750980788225 Oct 13 15:54:39 people who said they were there said it did Oct 13 15:54:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @LeFill: Hadnt even noticed but camp is surrounded by cameras on buildings and balconies all around :/ @Occupy_Boston - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124573571648454657 Oct 13 15:54:39 * OccupyBos (~OccupyBos@155.47.ouq.mpo) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:54:39 and plant them in the spring Oct 13 15:54:51 Is there going to be a march this Saturday? Oct 13 15:54:51 or I should say "Cool Story Bro, Picts or it didn't Happen" Oct 13 15:55:10 OccupyBos please check occupyboston.com/calendar Oct 13 15:55:16 OccupyNana: cops have been filming us for many days now the bpd and aclu have both acknowledged it Oct 13 15:55:31 * MediaTent (~MediaTent@50.12.rzo.ju) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:55:31 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to MediaTent Oct 13 15:55:44 hey Oct 13 15:55:45 well good for them Oct 13 15:55:48 MediaTent: HI! Oct 13 15:55:59 * leftist has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 13 15:56:03 we should encourage them to film us so we have more of a moral right to keep filming when they demand we stop Oct 13 15:56:03 * MediaTent is now known as MediaTent_Cyris Oct 13 15:56:17 ever thought they might be putting up cameras to save money on overtime for officers stationed? Oct 13 15:56:23 * TheRavenProject removes ban on *!*flab1@wqrrlz.torservers.net Oct 13 15:56:24 i'd imagine bpd is in this chat Oct 13 15:56:25 gen good tactic Oct 13 15:56:26 bike generators are up Oct 13 15:56:40 sick Oct 13 15:56:41 * flab1 (~flab1@wqrrlz.torservers.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:56:41 ElliottTheMedic: have you seen how many cameras are on the ventilation building Oct 13 15:56:50 and they don't give a fuck what we're talking about, they just want to make sure we don't start burning down the city and if we do, there is evidence we started it Oct 13 15:56:52 OccupyNana, yes Oct 13 15:56:57 MediaTent_Cyris: are you serious? awesome Oct 13 15:56:57 OCCUPY IRC Oct 13 15:57:00 CHRIS HANSON TOO Oct 13 15:57:00 MediaTent_Cyris: awesome! Got the power situation all sorted out last night? Oct 13 15:57:02 PROBS Oct 13 15:57:14 *looks at marxist vegan* you're seth aren't you Oct 13 15:57:16 * OccupyBos has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 15:57:18 * mojooccupy (~mojooccup@x-69-240-681-210.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:57:18 * mojooccupy has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 15:57:19 * mojooccupy (~mojooccup@x-69-240-681-210.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:57:21 ElliottTheMedic: nope Oct 13 15:57:35 MediaTent_Cyris: may we pm about a media contact who asked me to relay his information? Oct 13 15:57:44 GenKreton: email Oct 13 15:57:50 ok question for the group Oct 13 15:57:50 GenKreton: occupybostonmedia@gmail.com Oct 13 15:57:55 * Guest93013 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 15:57:59 leftyfb: thanks I only had logistics email Oct 13 15:57:59 leftyfb, yes, then it flooded this morning i stayed up all night in the media tent, this morning i forced the shutdown of pwer for safety reasons Oct 13 15:58:17 MediaTent_Cyris: wasn't it on the crate? Oct 13 15:58:20 * Guest93013 (~lovecrime@b-57-933-46-146.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:58:30 * Guest93013 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 15:58:34 cops and city put up cameras to warch us while we do stuff... is there anything anyone shouldn't be doing or is ashamed of doing on cam? Oct 13 15:58:36 brb Oct 13 15:58:37 yes, but in the morning the floor in the tent was a pond Oct 13 15:58:45 ugh Oct 13 15:58:54 * Guest93013 (~lovecrime@b-57-933-46-146.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:58:57 * Guest93013 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 15:59:01 that explains no media presence Oct 13 15:59:08 but they should have said something on twitter Oct 13 15:59:13 Y'all getting that much rain? :O Oct 13 15:59:22 so in the sake of the city saying we are a safety risk, and for the safety of the whole park, i decided to shut it down around 6am Oct 13 15:59:23 * Guest93013 (~lovecrime@b-57-933-46-146.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 15:59:31 See the thing about Columbia is something about the atmosphere dissipates any moisture in the area. Oct 13 15:59:33 [Occupy Boston] Occupy Wall Street  Emergency Call to Action - http://occupyboston.com/2011/10/13/occupy-wall-street-emergency-call-to-action/ Oct 13 15:59:36 * Guest93013 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 15:59:42 Is there a march planned for saturday? Oct 13 15:59:42 people argued with me, but i took control with no votes Oct 13 15:59:44 MediaTent_Cyris: good call Oct 13 16:00:00 MediaTent_Cyris: I agree ... hope it didn't cause too much issue though Oct 13 16:00:05 * Guest93013 (~lovecrime@b-57-933-46-146.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:00:16 nobody has said anything about saturday it seems like a secret Oct 13 16:00:27 * felix has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 16:00:31 OccupyNana Where are you from? Oct 13 16:00:32 leftyfb, in the beginning tons argued, but i didnt give a fuck and i took a totalitarian approach hahaha Oct 13 16:00:36 OccupyNana: have you looked at the calendar? Oct 13 16:00:42 boston Oct 13 16:00:49 Have you been down to the camp? Oct 13 16:00:52 * JessyDrastic has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 16:00:54 MediaTent_Cyris: not the best thing to brag about it, but I feel you made the right decision Oct 13 16:00:55 now the general consensus was thaty it was the right move Oct 13 16:01:06 i live right near the camp and yeah but i just looked around Oct 13 16:01:07 its safety, you HAVE to Oct 13 16:01:13 Kay. :-) Oct 13 16:01:16 yes nothing about a protest or march , I thought it was a world wide event Oct 13 16:01:22 * felix (~felix@84-369-35-695-inasnsvggb.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:01:23 cy sometimes one must take rapid unilateral decision to avoid disaster Oct 13 16:01:24 MediaTent_Cyris: how long was it out? Oct 13 16:01:24 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Wall Street Aristocracy Got $1.2 Trillion in Secret Loans http://t.co/qbTlt7QA via @BloombergNews #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/TatiMLuna/statuses/124575308530720768 Oct 13 16:01:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @foggywindowz: Dr. John Carlos, Olympian and Civil Rights icon (one of the medalists who gave the Black Power salute on the podium): 4-5 tmrw #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/laripley/statuses/124575336011792384 Oct 13 16:01:27 * OccupyBoston662 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 16:01:50 * OccupyNana has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 16:01:55 * OccupyNana (~OccupyNan@yriqjl-12-254-45-575.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:02:05 http://www.15october.net Oct 13 16:02:14 leftyfb, a couple hours, but we had to rebuild tents for occupants from the storm, and we made a wooden floor for mediatent Oct 13 16:02:26 ooooo, nice Oct 13 16:02:47 MediaTent_Cyris, Y'all initially keep your wires together and everything? Oct 13 16:02:59 * onetwogo has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 16:03:03 it doesn't say there is a march on saturday on the calendar Oct 13 16:03:04 TheRavenProject: it's actually a bit of a mess Oct 13 16:03:15 tough to get it all in order when we're there Oct 13 16:03:19 * OccupyBoston611 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 16:03:34 * TheRavenProject nods * PVC pipe is pretty cheap though, isn't it? Oct 13 16:03:37 theonlytruestyle2, well, 3 of us had to do ALL of this, because nobody was awake, so evrything is kind of all on the tables Oct 13 16:03:42 * DizziDaizi has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 16:03:45 * DizziDaizi (~DizziDaiz@47g0279u.bb.sky.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:04:14 wrong @ message hahaha :) Oct 13 16:04:23 * separation (~separatio@207.206.svj.mhy) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:04:26 http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-waiting-for-protesters-to-clearly-articulat,26353/ Oct 13 16:04:29 i have not slept in 2 days now Oct 13 16:04:37 leftyfb, are you comming? Oct 13 16:04:42 yes Oct 13 16:04:44 after work Oct 13 16:04:48 lol, ive slept about 3 hours since monday Oct 13 16:04:55 nice Oct 13 16:05:05 * spacechip has quit (Quit: spacechip) Oct 13 16:05:38 lefty, you gonna be in the media tent Oct 13 16:05:42 * OccupyBoston173 (~OccupyBos@209.198.lgy.o) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:05:43 yep Oct 13 16:05:54 * calliope (~calliecha@qpto.bostonballet.org) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:05:57 well, gonna be in a meeting around 8:30 .. but before that, yes Oct 13 16:06:12 * rs has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 16:06:12 awesome, i really wanna attach faces to the people i talk to on here Oct 13 16:06:31 there is a new youk post still, right? Oct 13 16:06:32 * OccupyBoston613 (~OccupyBos@qyl36-crq-qnx-1.cisco.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:06:38 not to be a nag here, but it's really important that we all get sleep. I've been running on 3 hours a night too, but if we keep this up, tempers will get short and negativity may spread. sometimes the best thing you can do for the movement is to take a nap. honestly Oct 13 16:06:38 MaverickDragon: yes Oct 13 16:06:39 york Oct 13 16:06:49 not on google Oct 13 16:06:56 leftyfb, sorry for the dis organization in the media tent, but i am seriously WAY too tired to do an inventory Oct 13 16:06:57 LOL YEAH IM ALREADY PISSED AS FUCK FELIX Oct 13 16:07:04 how's everyone at camp doing with the weather? Oct 13 16:07:05 THIS DUDE CLOWN FUCKER NAMED "CORNEL" WAS ON THE STREET Oct 13 16:07:10 ALMOST BEAT HIS ASS HARD Oct 13 16:07:16 SORRY FOR CAPS Oct 13 16:07:17 felix, ive been guilty of that myself, you are right Oct 13 16:07:18 oh dang Oct 13 16:07:19 EXPRESSING MY ANGST Oct 13 16:07:19 trooooooooooooll Oct 13 16:07:21 i have been here most of the day to watch items and on breaks i have switched watch guards Oct 13 16:07:24 * TheRavenProject sets ban on *!*flab1@wqrrlz.torservers.net Oct 13 16:07:24 * TheRavenProject has kicked flab1 from #occupyboston (flab1) Oct 13 16:07:41 * TheRavenProject sighs * Sorry. I gave him a chance. Not doing it again. Oct 13 16:07:51 google search turns up no new york post website Oct 13 16:07:59 kick/ban for caps? Oct 13 16:08:00 oh Oct 13 16:08:04 i found this article Oct 13 16:08:06 LOL No. Oct 13 16:08:12 check google Oct 13 16:08:18 SiSSy: it was a troll, not his first offense Oct 13 16:08:19 what'd he do Oct 13 16:08:20 it basically explains the occupy movement, in charts and graphs of like Oct 13 16:08:23 what sucks Oct 13 16:08:28 * jj- (~jj@redv-08l.noisetor.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:08:35 MediaTent_Cyris: what do you guys need help with in the media tent? Oct 13 16:08:40 Have to know when a troll is just being subtle. Oct 13 16:08:47 GenKreton: during the day, presence on IRC Oct 13 16:08:53 http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-about-2011-10?op=1 Oct 13 16:08:57 like Oct 13 16:08:59 look at this Oct 13 16:09:00 curious as to the offense is all Oct 13 16:09:05 swearing? Oct 13 16:09:10 felix absolutely right about sleep. has to be as regular as food & water for success of movement Oct 13 16:09:12 isn't it odd how the new york post does not show on a google search? Oct 13 16:09:14 GenKreton, right now i am pretty sure we are set, but we need help in food, logistics and medical Oct 13 16:09:15 always Oct 13 16:09:16 oh, he was being a douche for douchiness's sake Oct 13 16:09:17 http://TheRavenProject.on.nimp.org - JUST SET THIS UP WITH HIS FUCKING NUDIE PICS I JUST STOLE FROM HIS COMPUTER ----- *LOL @ XCHAT VULNERABILITY LOLOL* http://theravenproject.on.nimp.org <----- LOOK AT HIS SMALL PISSY DICK Oct 13 16:09:19 http://TheRavenProject.on.nimp.org - JUST SET THIS UP WITH HIS FUCKING NUDIE PICS I JUST STOLE FROM HIS COMPUTER ----- *LOL @ XCHAT VULNERABILITY LOLOL* http://theravenproject.on.nimp.org <----- LOOK AT HIS SMALL PISSY DICK Oct 13 16:09:20 SiSSy: he was trolling. Not providing any support or interest Oct 13 16:09:23 http://TheRavenProject.on.nimp.org - JUST SET THIS UP WITH HIS FUCKING NUDIE PICS I JUST STOLE FROM HIS COMPUTER ----- *LOL @ XCHAT VULNERABILITY LOLOL* http://theravenproject.on.nimp.org <----- LOOK AT HIS SMALL PISSY DICK Oct 13 16:09:24 Raven You shouldn't have to warn people to act like decnt human beings so just keep booting them off Oct 13 16:09:25 * leftyfb sets ban on *!*@redv-08l.noisetor.net Oct 13 16:09:25 * leftyfb has kicked jj- from #occupyboston (jj-) Oct 13 16:09:27 * TheRavenProject sets ban on jj-!*@* Oct 13 16:09:39 LOL! Oct 13 16:09:44 * OccupyBoston714 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 16:09:44 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=1440&bih=785&q=occupy+boston+guns+new+york+post&oq=occupy+boston+guns+new+york+post&aq=f&aqi=&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=68143l68143l0l68382l1l1l0l0l0l0l102l102l0.1l1l0 Oct 13 16:09:45 michah. Oct 13 16:09:46 haha Oct 13 16:09:54 moonunitzappa, how was court? Oct 13 16:09:57 obvious trolls are obvious Oct 13 16:10:03 need to go back dec 6 Oct 13 16:10:04 Just to be sure though....... >_> Oct 13 16:10:06 XD Oct 13 16:10:21 plea not guilty? Oct 13 16:10:22 you're one of the people who pled not guilty? Oct 13 16:10:44 * OccupyBoston173 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 16:10:46 * KeKe (KeKe@47g0279u.bb.sky.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:10:46 i didnt plea anything, i didnt see a judge. forsome reason they moved some of our dates to a later time Oct 13 16:10:50 micah, you still around? Oct 13 16:11:00 All arrested need to request trial by jury Oct 13 16:11:04 it just looked like you were annoyed w him Oct 13 16:11:12 except i'm pretty sure you'll be convicted Oct 13 16:11:17 now IANAL but Oct 13 16:11:22 SiSSy: yes, for doing nothing in here but trolling Oct 13 16:11:31 SiSSy: this isn't 4chan Oct 13 16:11:36 * bergey (~dmb@209.6.h.ptk) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:11:39 moonunitzappa, bizarre Oct 13 16:11:39 the definition of "unlawful assembly" is stupidly recursive Oct 13 16:11:42 * Tracywork (~yaaic@79-51-85-808.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:11:46 basically Oct 13 16:11:48 ok Oct 13 16:11:49 SiSSy: and here comes another one Oct 13 16:11:51 Yea im not sure if im gonna fight it or not yet Oct 13 16:11:53 if you unlawfully assemble, you're guilty Oct 13 16:12:02 * OccupyBoston392 (~OccupyBos@l-21-36-278-219.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:12:03 moonunitzappa, they split us on purpose Oct 13 16:12:07 honestly i don Oct 13 16:12:17 honestly i don't think it's worth it... Oct 13 16:12:22 i mean Oct 13 16:12:22 * felix has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 16:12:30 solidarity and what not, but i think the court may convict you Oct 13 16:12:34 Split what? Oct 13 16:12:40 Yea me either, i just hate to see them making more money off us for getting arrested Oct 13 16:12:48 and i hear they've been offering "parking ticket" fines of $50 Oct 13 16:12:53 they're making money off you ANYWAY Oct 13 16:12:56 yea a civil infraction Oct 13 16:12:58 I may as well just tell everyone what ServOps found earlier. Apparently a group called GNAA is messing with indymedia server. Not going to say what it stands for, but that's who is messing around with us. Oct 13 16:13:03 wont go on record or anythign Oct 13 16:13:04 because you'd end up responsible for court fees Oct 13 16:13:15 TheRavenProject: they've been on EFnet for a long time now Oct 13 16:13:16 right Oct 13 16:13:16 true Oct 13 16:13:19 * TheRavenProject nods * Oct 13 16:13:19 a record is VERY bad Oct 13 16:13:20 in fact Oct 13 16:13:22 * OccupyBoston798 (~OccupyBos@g-45-289-279-92.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:13:27 yea ill give them 50 bucks Oct 13 16:13:31 that's one of the things i'm protesting Oct 13 16:13:47 a permanent black mark was NOT the intended punishment for misdemeanor crimes. Oct 13 16:13:52 back then Oct 13 16:13:54 OccupyBoston613 technically probably no cause 50*141 is not close to 200 (or more officers) + DPW + EMS Oct 13 16:13:55 I know what it stands for.and.will not say. Oct 13 16:13:55 they didn't have background checks Oct 13 16:14:06 haha, true Oct 13 16:14:09 613, honestly, i dont want to choose for anyone, but they would win the case, unlawful asembly is for violent protests Oct 13 16:14:19 or acts of violence Oct 13 16:14:23 its a sham Oct 13 16:14:30 but trespassing they'd get Oct 13 16:14:32 i wonder if and how the occupymovement will change by December and if my charges will be affected or handled any diffrently than they are now Oct 13 16:14:34 because they were asked to leave Oct 13 16:14:35 Train. Bbl Oct 13 16:14:36 * Tracywork has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 16:14:39 OccupyBoston613 and that is not even considering the cost of gas and overtime Oct 13 16:14:49 oh no you're right Oct 13 16:14:51 * calliope has quit () Oct 13 16:14:55 but they'd be recouping some of the money spent Oct 13 16:15:05 613, not form what i heard from the lawyers, depending on priors Oct 13 16:15:14 hi all...there are going to be a lot of folks coming down over the weekend... is there an especially good time to come by? and what do you need the most? Oct 13 16:15:22 but do what you want to do Oct 13 16:15:25 elaborate? Oct 13 16:15:29 it was a bogus claim Oct 13 16:15:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Thanks for the pizza, Veterans For Peace. Honestly though, WE should be buying YOU pizza. #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124577522426978304 Oct 13 16:15:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @SingleGirl1983: @Occupy_Boston @OccupyWallStNYC Even smaller towns Are showing the spirit! Fayetteville, AR http://t.co/r1PYv2Hh - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124577654245564416 Oct 13 16:15:44 I did, i dont want to give any more information about my lawyers thank you :) Oct 13 16:15:55 that's fair Oct 13 16:16:07 Everyone if you have questions for people type their name or start typing and hit TAB to finish it makes it easier to converse Oct 13 16:16:38 * GeoBos_ (~geobos@fhzlyl-449-960-469-874.mycingular.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:16:43 * GeoBos has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 13 16:16:43 * GeoBos_ is now known as GeoBos Oct 13 16:16:47 marxistvegan: i've been using IRC for years and nobody ever pointed this out to me Oct 13 16:16:48 ty Oct 13 16:16:50 * DizziDaizi has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 16:17:00 separation: no problem :) Oct 13 16:17:06 they WERE in the wrong, and people have the right to a peaceful protests, the powers that be are more scared than we are Oct 13 16:17:21 MediaTent_Cyris: agreed :) Oct 13 16:17:26 * OccupyBoston392 (~OccupyBos@l-21-36-278-219.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 13 16:17:30 marxistvegan: what does tab do? Oct 13 16:17:43 tab completes the name for you without typing it all out dsws Oct 13 16:17:52 ty Oct 13 16:18:00 MediaTent_Cyris: what is power usage at right now? Oct 13 16:18:02 marxistvegan MaverickDragon MediaTent_Cyris micah MikeyG MK_home mojooccupy moonunitzappa Mr-Snick Oct 13 16:18:04 dsws: try typing "gen" hit tab and it will complete my name Oct 13 16:18:06 if i start ds and hit it completes your name Oct 13 16:18:11 MediaTent_Cyris: i don't think anyone's particularly scared... Oct 13 16:18:14 dsws: doh whoops Oct 13 16:18:23 on either side Oct 13 16:18:33 613: I think you might be a cop, but that is just me :) Oct 13 16:18:36 http://www.boston.com/Boston/metrodesk/2011/10/boston-police-warn-protesters-leave-greenway-tonight-moved-out/AS0JWIbXTp9Gn4jZKmfo2J/index.html Oct 13 16:18:39 haha, no Oct 13 16:18:43 * KeKe is now known as DizziDaizi Oct 13 16:18:52 course would be nice if all the OccupyBosotn### picked a unique name ;) Oct 13 16:18:56 police are part of the 99% Oct 13 16:18:57 hey marxistvegan & GenKreton thanks for the tech tip from a doofus-user :) Oct 13 16:18:59 let them join us Oct 13 16:19:02 Dragon... THAT'S FROM THE 11th! YOU FUCK Oct 13 16:19:11 Take your shit and leave Oct 13 16:19:13 meh Oct 13 16:19:13 * OccupyBoston091 (~OccupyBos@204.45.ops.wur) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:19:18 hosap: no doofus users here just tips of the trade Oct 13 16:19:22 GenKreton, they are, BUT they also are trying to infiltrate our bases... and we KNOW Oct 13 16:19:23 ElliottTheMedic: lets not stoop to their level please Oct 13 16:19:24 that's when I saw it Oct 13 16:19:30 MediaTent_Cyris: what is power usage at right now? Oct 13 16:19:31 anyway Oct 13 16:19:36 * OccupyBoston102 (~OccupyBos@951-2-493-411-qiqyugsvke.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:19:36 MediaTent_Cyris: we shouldn't have anything to hide Oct 13 16:19:38 anyone see this? http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-about-2011-10?op=1 Oct 13 16:19:42 it said there you would be taped too Oct 13 16:19:45 * OccupyBoston591 (~OccupyBos@rsgg-80-166-721-676.worldpath.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:19:51 leftyfb, in the interests of excersizing my rights of free speech =D Oct 13 16:19:54 GenKreton, We dont, but we have RIGHTS Oct 13 16:19:55 i've posted it a couple times but nobody's commented...it may be useful Oct 13 16:20:13 ElliottTheMedic: lets exercise out rights to act like human beings and keep our cool in the face of ignorance Oct 13 16:20:24 MaverickDragon: we know the BPD video taped their own raid they have 6 people on the top of a building recording Oct 13 16:20:32 We were taped today Oct 13 16:20:36 if someone is acting like a fuck, I will call him a fuck, and make sure others know he is a fuck. Oct 13 16:20:49 * OccupyBoston591 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 16:20:53 i don't like that they're taping people with the intent on prosecuting them later Oct 13 16:20:53 question, is there anything some tech-savvy people, like IT or developers can help with? websites, phone apps, server management, hardware problems to name a few, i don't know what OB currently has set up Oct 13 16:20:59 i don't understand how they can do that Oct 13 16:21:04 i talked to many undercovers today, who reeked of a faulty lame story and tried to access parts of our cam, and get names of people who dont even exist Oct 13 16:21:05 we tape them with the same intent Oct 13 16:21:07 yeah, there's a tech group Oct 13 16:21:10 its pretty pathetic hahha Oct 13 16:21:17 no, it's different Oct 13 16:21:18 all caps for emphasis, but honestly I'm tired of doing rumor control Oct 13 16:21:23 * OccupyBoston778 (~OccupyBos@rsgg-80-166-721-676.worldpath.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:21:24 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @clandestine5: THIS is your FEDERAL RESERVE?? - http://t.co/9g8t6fwH - #OccupyWallStreet #OccupyWallSt #OWS #Occupy #OccupyTogether #OccupyBoston #OccupyDC - http://twitter.com/CoLab76/statuses/124580278403465216 Oct 13 16:21:25 * OccupyBoston490 (~OccupyBos@587-4-98-427.c1-8.nat-ubr4.sbo-nat.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:21:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @BABYDIABOLICAL: RT @Occupy_Boston: Thanks for the pizza, Veterans For Peace. Honestly though, WE should be buying YOU pizza. #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/NinetyNinePct/statuses/124580311202922496 Oct 13 16:21:25 Occupy613 There's multiple case law that shows it's completely legal. Oct 13 16:21:29 GenKreton: you tape them to catch them in the act of something Oct 13 16:21:31 what does the tech group do Oct 13 16:21:38 Plus, they'll say it's for their own accountability. Oct 13 16:21:40 * OccupyBoston102 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 16:21:41 mostly the website/wiki Oct 13 16:21:51 * OccupyBoston015 is now known as laiv Oct 13 16:21:52 separation: manages the tech part of everything Oct 13 16:21:54 gen oh we do Oct 13 16:21:55 are they set up on camp or do they work remotely Oct 13 16:21:56 and we did Oct 13 16:21:58 manage internet Oct 13 16:21:59 OccupyBoston613: a lot more than that Oct 13 16:22:02 separation: both Oct 13 16:22:03 separation: both Oct 13 16:22:08 alright Oct 13 16:22:12 leftyfb: ha :) I win Oct 13 16:22:12 separation: we'll be having a meeting tonight near camp Oct 13 16:22:15 leftyfb: i'm marginally in the tech group Oct 13 16:22:20 * OccupyBoston490 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 16:22:28 all the meetings i've been to discussed mostly website stuff Oct 13 16:22:30 are you guys going to be meeting on friday Oct 13 16:22:35 OccupyBoston613: oh? On the group list? Or, how so? We could certainly use the help. Oct 13 16:22:39 or tomorrow Oct 13 16:22:44 * OccupyBoston613 is now known as Sandman Oct 13 16:22:45 which is friday yeah Oct 13 16:22:48 separation: there's a meeting tonight Oct 13 16:22:55 remember all forms of media are monitored Oct 13 16:22:59 leftyfb: i'm on the group but i'm pretty outclassed Oct 13 16:23:06 separation: no meeting planned for tomorrow Oct 13 16:23:09 * SiSSy has quit (Quit: Lost terminal) Oct 13 16:23:09 Sandman: outclassed? Oct 13 16:23:11 Sandman: outclassed? Oct 13 16:23:11 oh alright Oct 13 16:23:12 some of you guys are ridiculous Oct 13 16:23:15 ? Oct 13 16:23:17 778 Amen Oct 13 16:23:29 most of the people in the group are way techier than me Oct 13 16:23:30 leftyfb: do I need to be here I am you repeater ;) Oct 13 16:23:34 :) Oct 13 16:23:39 like way better at it Oct 13 16:23:40 Sandman: not true :) Oct 13 16:23:42 Sandman: everyone has their skills Oct 13 16:23:49 http://www.infowars.com/ Oct 13 16:23:49 Sandman: we can use all levels of sckill Oct 13 16:23:53 leftyfb: yeah, mine just don't seem to apply Oct 13 16:24:03 enterprise products and networking Oct 13 16:24:06 Sandman, what skills do you have? Oct 13 16:24:15 programming Oct 13 16:24:18 your actions are signs of the end of times Oct 13 16:24:20 MaverickDragon: last warning to stop spreading garbage Oct 13 16:24:20 scripting Oct 13 16:24:27 and i can learn damn near anything in a week Oct 13 16:24:29 * OccupyBoston186 (~OccupyBos@avlwvo-60-86-316-441.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:24:34 Sandman: sounds good to me Oct 13 16:24:37 have you talked to the media tent? Oct 13 16:24:45 Has everyine seen the post from OWS about the 'cleaning' of the park friday at 7 am? Oct 13 16:24:48 Sandman: not techy damn that's more than me :) Oct 13 16:24:49 yeah Oct 13 16:24:51 Sandman: meet us at the meeting Oct 13 16:24:52 that is a site my brother gets his crap from Oct 13 16:24:58 yes 91 Oct 13 16:25:05 MaverickDragon: well if you call it crap then don't share it Oct 13 16:25:07 OWS is gonna do what we did on Monday Oct 13 16:25:08 i'm going to deadmau5 tonight Oct 13 16:25:16 * OccupyBoston186 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 16:25:18 paid $70 for a ticket, can't make it Oct 13 16:25:21 they're gonna all get arrested and their shits gonna get thrown away Oct 13 16:25:23 alot of people read that crap Oct 13 16:25:36 oh, which reminds me Oct 13 16:25:40 did you guys put a SIGN on that UPS? Oct 13 16:25:47 MaverickDragon: don't post it here ... that's not what this is about Oct 13 16:25:48 MaverickDragon: we know but if you call it crap why would you share it Oct 13 16:25:49 * theonlytruestyle2 has quit () Oct 13 16:25:50 what sign? Oct 13 16:25:53 don't have ID on person Oct 13 16:25:55 Sandman: my name is on it Oct 13 16:25:57 how to reset it if it trips Oct 13 16:26:01 oh? Oct 13 16:26:04 but what if you're away? Oct 13 16:26:05 Sandman: I told people in the media tent how to Oct 13 16:26:11 * Khorne (~Khorne@15-50-808-820-wdwbayo-nxugprtxom.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:26:11 what if THEY'RE all away? Oct 13 16:26:14 it's a button in the back that literally pops out Oct 13 16:26:21 wasn't the issue that nobody IN the tent knew how to reset the breaker? Oct 13 16:26:24 yep Oct 13 16:26:30 BRB Oct 13 16:26:30 yeah and nobody found it Oct 13 16:26:31 we'll make a sign :) Oct 13 16:26:32 so they removed it Oct 13 16:26:37 IMHO that's not good Oct 13 16:26:49 clarify on your occupy website Oct 13 16:26:51 * schock (~schock@18.111.pr.zw) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:26:55 peaceful protest WILL get noticed (remember Ghandi) Oct 13 16:26:56 * stephen (~stephen@dxnq-550-7-962-465.spfdma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:26:59 MaverickDragon: what? Oct 13 16:27:28 MaverickDragon: there is no consensus on it and for the purposes of Occupy it is a distraction Oct 13 16:27:30 the occupy website doesn't say this is an operations chatroom Oct 13 16:27:50 * GeoBoston (~GeoBos@128.197.tjo.xu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:27:51 that's why you are getting idiots Oct 13 16:27:58 MaverickDragon: this is a chat and just happens to be talking operations Oct 13 16:28:14 MaverickDragon: Glad you are noticing your own defects. That's step #1 Oct 13 16:28:24 so if people were willing to say order and pay for pizzas to be sent there...is there a specific contact? Oct 13 16:28:30 also, where are the last 2 days' worth of GA minutes? Oct 13 16:28:33 * adna has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 13 16:28:35 maybe you should have an operations chatroom and a public chat Oct 13 16:28:47 there's an IT chat Oct 13 16:28:51 i just...kinda hijacked this one Oct 13 16:29:10 Sandman: the website is still being worked on.... so I'm going to assume they are holding off updating the existing one for now ... but that's my assumption Oct 13 16:29:34 * OccupyBoston778 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 16:29:36 * OccupyBoston982 (~OccupyBos@rsgg-80-166-721-676.worldpath.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:29:38 that's fair Oct 13 16:29:45 MaverickDragon: regardless of the conversations going on here, your crap sites and rumor mongering has no place Oct 13 16:30:03 * Tracy_camp (~yaaic@79-51-85-808.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:30:11 I'm sorry, I have asburgers Oct 13 16:30:13 Hey Tracy_camp you made it :) Oct 13 16:30:16 you guys need to crank this up to another level, stop talking - ACTION! ACTION ACTION Oct 13 16:30:19 ....Now I know he's a troll. Oct 13 16:30:21 btw, just a story Oct 13 16:30:24 Yes Oct 13 16:30:39 my girlfriend came to visit from texas...she came as an "observer" and was pretty AGAINST the protest Oct 13 16:30:43 MaverickDragon: don't disrespect the disease. My niece and a good friend has that. You're overstepping your limits Oct 13 16:30:58 I do have asburgers Oct 13 16:31:02 she left this morning and said she really looks forward to visiting the camp when she comes back Oct 13 16:31:04 If Dragon is rumor mongering, we should just not respond. Oct 13 16:31:06 leftyfb: what is the website going to have in it, what's being worked on Oct 13 16:31:11 asburger isn't a crutch Oct 13 16:31:14 Sandman: fantastic Oct 13 16:31:17 nor is it an excuse Oct 13 16:31:18 discrimination!!! Oct 13 16:31:19 And it's Aspergers, Oct 13 16:31:22 Not asburgers. Oct 13 16:31:26 the camp made quite an impression on her Oct 13 16:31:26 * ZanzibarMan (~ZanzibarM@ezry-951-59-26-71.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:31:32 hello Oct 13 16:31:35 It is pretty warm outside Oct 13 16:31:42 you are wasting time - NEED ACTION Oct 13 16:31:51 whatever high functioning form of autism Oct 13 16:32:01 * OccupyBoston646 (~OccupyBos@otff-36-822-6-272.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:32:05 tracy, how is the feeling at the camp? Oct 13 16:32:07 whatever it is Dragon, it's not an excuse or a crutch Oct 13 16:32:11 OccupyBoston982 there are plent of actions planned check the calender Oct 13 16:32:20 MaverickDragon: you are wearing my patience down. Stop the trolling. Act like a human being. Grow up. Oct 13 16:32:22 * MediaTent_Cyris has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 16:32:24 If you were really diagnosed with Aspergers, A) You'd know how to spell it. Oct 13 16:32:28 yeah act like a human being Oct 13 16:32:30 * OccupyBoston646 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 16:32:30 GREAT - SCHEDULE MORE Oct 13 16:32:32 * OccupyBoston570 (~OccupyBos@101-0-88-267.c5-9.ded-ubr6.sbo-ded.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:32:34 raven thans for proper spelling of syndrome Oct 13 16:32:35 just because I couldn't spell it doesn't mean I don't have it Oct 13 16:32:41 * OccupyBoston982 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 16:32:42 :-) Oct 13 16:32:44 * OccupyBoston570 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 16:32:46 MaverickDragon Oct 13 16:33:13 WTF I'm not trolling Oct 13 16:33:16 raven with ya on spelling the condition one has Oct 13 16:33:19 one could be excused for assuming one with a lifelong condition would know the proper spelling of the name of said condition Oct 13 16:33:22 :-) Oct 13 16:33:22 I'm on disability Oct 13 16:33:36 And I've stopped caring Oct 13 16:33:44 MaverickDragon: you gonna keep this up? Oct 13 16:33:50 you're using whatever mental issue you have or think you have as an excuse for your behavior Oct 13 16:33:55 lefty easy bud Oct 13 16:33:57 which is bullshit Oct 13 16:34:00 they didn't have a diagnosis yet in 1987 Oct 13 16:34:02 dragons and trolls are bff Oct 13 16:34:04 always policing for nothing Oct 13 16:34:12 I'm sorry Oct 13 16:34:23 MaverickDragon: if you are so concerned then come to the occupyboston Oct 13 16:34:34 will someone pls kick MD Oct 13 16:34:35 one thing you need to learn how to do Dragon, is learn how to talk to people in a reasonable and logical method Oct 13 16:34:41 everybody keeps telling me the world would be a better place if I was never born Oct 13 16:34:45 MaverickDragon: apology accepted. Lets move onto more relevant issues and discussions and get away from the meaningless banter Oct 13 16:34:46 I am Bipolar. I have been dealing with this for 12 years. If I destabalize, it's probably because I'm not sleeping right. But if I behave inappropriately, I don't say "I'm sorry, I'm Bipolar" Oct 13 16:34:54 * OccupyBoston357 (~OccupyBos@rsgg-80-166-721-676.worldpath.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:34:55 * Khorne has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 16:35:02 Beware of pretenders supplied by the establishment to "save us" from collapsing system. Oct 13 16:35:14 ug Oct 13 16:35:19 I grew up in the system Oct 13 16:35:24 MaverickDragon: enough Oct 13 16:35:31 lol Oct 13 16:35:43 I however have to say "Sorry I'm a republican" on occasion when I start talking about constitutional issues. Does that count? Oct 13 16:35:45 * GeoBoston has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 13 16:35:53 OccupyWallStreet initiated by funding from Gates, Ford and Rockefeller Oct 13 16:35:55 WTF I'm just trying to prove I'm not evil Oct 13 16:35:56 * jproulx (~jon@fxlv.csail.mit.edu) has left #occupyboston Oct 13 16:36:05 * leftyfb sets ban on *!*@rsgg-80-166-721-676.worldpath.net Oct 13 16:36:05 * leftyfb has kicked OccupyBoston357 from #occupyboston (OccupyBoston357) Oct 13 16:36:07 Its not working. Oct 13 16:36:23 we don't care if you're good or evil, we care if you are social or anti-social Oct 13 16:36:43 chat = dialogue Oct 13 16:36:50 you can be evil and be very pleasant and socialbe... look at Dick Cheney, he's a good talker Oct 13 16:37:11 Yeah, he'll even talk to you while he shoots you full of 12 gauge rounds. Oct 13 16:37:14 I'm living at my mother's in east wakefield nh, I'm flat broke with no car, and was just evicted again for the second time in 12 months Oct 13 16:37:16 except when hes shooting his friends Oct 13 16:37:19 and then you can look at Michelle Bachmaan, she's evil AND a bad talker... Oct 13 16:37:28 freewill: XD Oct 13 16:37:39 sorry Oct 13 16:37:42 :P Oct 13 16:37:45 It's all good. Oct 13 16:37:48 I want to be social Oct 13 16:37:54 * OccupyBoston262 (~OccupyBos@qxnv-31-878-218-226.prvdri.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:37:58 you know you have a level of lex luthor super villany if you can shoot a guy in the face with a shot gun, and the guy appologizes for getting in the way of your shotgun Oct 13 16:38:11 Hello Boston. Oct 13 16:38:15 * yman (~yahman@sfri-xjlj-ljns-79-11-26-398.consolidated.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:38:17 I've always just wanted to be normal Oct 13 16:38:18 hello 262 Oct 13 16:38:21 hello 262 Oct 13 16:38:30 * leftyfb sets ban on *!*@nsr-00-052-560-981.maine.res.rr.com Oct 13 16:38:30 * leftyfb has kicked MaverickDragon from #occupyboston (MaverickDragon) Oct 13 16:38:33 Are we marching today? Oct 13 16:38:33 game over Oct 13 16:38:33 welcome 262 Oct 13 16:38:39 lol Oct 13 16:38:44 thank you Oct 13 16:38:49 thanks lefty Oct 13 16:38:53 was about to say "Are you feeling sorry for yourself?" Oct 13 16:38:57 Who else is at camp? Oct 13 16:39:04 Dumdumdum, another one bites the dust. Oct 13 16:39:10 * Houndish (~Houndish@uksf-73-076-021-71.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:39:11 lefty some folks want the attention to be on them Oct 13 16:39:12 alright all I am off from here need to finish some things up at home before joining the Verizon worker march Oct 13 16:39:14 sorry, but we really need to keep an open mind for as long as we can before booting people. Oct 13 16:39:28 agree Oct 13 16:39:36 Has anyone looked in Trenton NJ to see if they were arrested today? Oct 13 16:39:39 * TheRavenProject nods * Some people are passionate but they're still legit. Oct 13 16:39:46 * marxistvegan has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 13 16:39:55 politics and issues that we are dealing with have many different aspects and very passionate people with very different opinions and beliefs Oct 13 16:39:58 * OccupyBoston869 (~OccupyBos@134.241.toj.nng) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:40:28 * mojooccupy has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 16:40:31 not all are trolls and all should be heard ... unless their only voice is to cause problems and have no genuine interest or support for anything relevant Oct 13 16:40:35 kind of excited to see what happens at 7am tomorrow in NYC Oct 13 16:40:52 Veterans for peace here Oct 13 16:40:56 lefty admire & respect your restraint before showing someone the door Oct 13 16:40:56 * OccupyBoston798 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 16:40:57 * calliope (~calliecha@qpto.bostonballet.org) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:41:03 GA in NY is going to be cleaning up the park so that the city wont have to. Oct 13 16:41:11 agreed lefty but after a dozen comments about oneself, it kinda obvious they are a troll Oct 13 16:41:14 hosap: you're one of the few Oct 13 16:41:23 that guy you threw out just seemed sad and upset not rude or mean Oct 13 16:41:25 But will the city allow them that leniency? Oct 13 16:41:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @someecards: Congratulations to Occupy Boston on fighting harder than the Red Sox to be relevant this October. http://t.co/mM94y8jq #OccupyBoston - http://twitter.com/jenningscrupi/statuses/124585361417568256 Oct 13 16:41:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @gopmomdotcom: @FanueilHall collecting signatures for #VoterIDMA. Headed over to see #occupyBoston soon. Think we'll get any signers? #teaparty - http://twitter.com/GreaterBostonTP/statuses/124585390983225345 Oct 13 16:41:56 OccupyNana: he's been here for 2 days ... he's got a long list of trolling beyond what you have seen. I've put up with it for now. Oct 13 16:42:04 * OccupyBoston186 (~OccupyBos@134.241.toj.nng) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:42:06 some people are simply psychologically stuck on themselves Oct 13 16:42:25 whats happening at 7am in nyc tomorrow? Oct 13 16:42:33 will tonight's GA be livestreamed? Oct 13 16:42:35 they are supposed to clean the park Oct 13 16:42:39 oh Oct 13 16:42:40 oh the same thing that happened to the greenway on monday Oct 13 16:42:48 pretty much Oct 13 16:43:04 good chance that NYPD is gonna arrest everyone and throw out their shit unless the group relocates Oct 13 16:43:06 NY, also states a flatbed truck is on the way with pressure washing equipment. Oct 13 16:43:09 @ Raven no, its now become a public saftey and sanitaion issue. Oct 13 16:43:10 and with all the youtube videos of cops talking like they want to hit people in NY it should be ugly Oct 13 16:43:23 didn't the BPD say we could only occupy dewey sq until oct 15 Oct 13 16:43:28 what happens then Oct 13 16:43:29 Mass clean up. Oct 13 16:43:31 isn't the ny park privately owned? has the owner actually told them to leave? Oct 13 16:43:35 separation: false Oct 13 16:43:37 no they didnn't sep Oct 13 16:43:42 oh ok Oct 13 16:43:46 * Leighton has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) Oct 13 16:43:46 thats just what i heard Oct 13 16:43:47 in NY they said they can come back and camp after cleanup Oct 13 16:43:55 but no tents sleeping bags or laying on the ground Oct 13 16:44:06 i truly feel bad for those trying to work through this logically and lawfully, as if the powers that be played by the same rules... Oct 13 16:44:10 Who is at camp? Oct 13 16:44:13 rumor control there's an event on the 15th involving people taking all their money out of banks and putting them in credit unions, but it has nothing to do with us Oct 13 16:44:14 They leave, we lose. Oct 13 16:44:21 no thats' nov 5th Oct 13 16:44:21 channel 5 news made occupy boston look bad for the food fest that was supposed to be there this weekend saying it hurt local business owners Oct 13 16:44:28 Tracy_camp: I'm not yet ... my brother should be Oct 13 16:44:31 moonunitzappa: the cleaning excuse is how they broke an occupy up in texas this week Oct 13 16:44:33 the mass closings of bank accounts Oct 13 16:44:38 austin iirc Oct 13 16:44:47 yes NY said they can come back they just need a few hours to clean the park Oct 13 16:44:49 oh really, didnt know that Oct 13 16:44:56 And broke up one in Spain Oct 13 16:45:14 the new york crowd won't leave Oct 13 16:45:17 so i guess that means we should have a weekly cleanup at camp Oct 13 16:45:21 so they have no need to do that Oct 13 16:45:22 people don't pause a protest Oct 13 16:45:28 new cardbored Oct 13 16:45:35 remember the promises to the indigenous Oct 13 16:45:36 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @bbecks69420: http://t.co/0tnhzudX @occupy_boston not even arrested, just one example of what those friendly BPD officers accomplishe ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124584137519669248 Oct 13 16:45:41 * OccupyBoston186 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 16:45:42 * OccupyBoston010 (~OccupyBos@38.97.kx.lyv) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:45:46 * OccupyBoston211 (~OccupyBos@qxsa-812-91-77-583.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:45:51 Maybe they can get giant tarps and huddle under those? Sort of spread them out and everybody gets underneath. Not exactly a tent, but better than nothing Oct 13 16:45:52 * schock has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 16:45:52 * OccupyBoston869 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 16:45:53 They want to disrupt before the 15 global occupy Oct 13 16:46:04 Nana, you have to realize that political movements don't have stop buttons but they do have pause buttons Oct 13 16:46:18 * OccupyBoston211 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 16:46:24 *facepalms* Oct 13 16:46:33 * TheRavenProject is now known as TheRavenProject|Away Oct 13 16:46:41 i see nothing wrong with putting a protest on hold for a day or 2 to clean up because they can get messy Oct 13 16:46:43 how does it disrupt if the group is allowed to come back/ Oct 13 16:46:47 just need to hold the PD to their word Oct 13 16:46:56 Proposal: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1__Plrec0Nq9EhcU0nydGMZv4_8IqYZucAcM6IFX6Qfg/edit?hl=en_US Oct 13 16:46:58 once they start saying you can't come back then you raise hell Oct 13 16:47:02 I dont think they will be allow back. Oct 13 16:47:07 is the 5:30 still on?im on my way now Oct 13 16:47:14 maybe the Occupy Wall Street group can go to harlem or the bowery and try to outreach there Oct 13 16:47:14 also talk of cleaning zucotti a section at a time Oct 13 16:47:17 we dont want to raise hell Oct 13 16:47:21 they are supposedly being allowed back without tarps, tents, and sleeping bags Oct 13 16:47:29 no longer an occupy movement then... Oct 13 16:47:29 post about OSW 'clean-up' here: http://occupyboston.com/ Oct 13 16:47:37 Another set up to piss the grounds people off. Oct 13 16:47:40 wait they have to permanently remove the tarps and tents? Oct 13 16:47:43 that's different Oct 13 16:47:44 yes Oct 13 16:47:50 its a move to destroy the protests Oct 13 16:47:51 thought it was just pick up and go back Oct 13 16:47:54 leaving would be a huge mistakes Oct 13 16:48:14 -s Oct 13 16:48:23 * separation has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 16:48:26 http://www.15october.net/ Oct 13 16:48:39 Great job Boston, keep up the good work, be safe. Oct 13 16:48:40 * DizziDaizi is now known as Dizzi_gone Oct 13 16:49:00 * OccupyBoston262 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 16:49:18 guys is the 5:30 still happening? Im on my way Oct 13 16:50:10 Hey I brought some used lumber that looked like crap but was better than nothing. Next load, should I concentrate on used lumber or pallets? Which is ,ore useful? Oct 13 16:50:29 824: I think either should be good Oct 13 16:50:52 * bergey has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 16:51:36 how would leaving be a huge mistake? Oct 13 16:52:05 Because they would remove all the tents/tarps and not let them bring them back Oct 13 16:52:19 who said they wouldn't let them back in Oct 13 16:52:27 Setting up for march Oct 13 16:52:33 wont let them bring the tents back Oct 13 16:52:36 is what he means i think Oct 13 16:52:40 or tarps Oct 13 16:52:42 Occupy WS protestors were told they would be allowed back onto the park after the cleaning but would have to follow rules which include no lying down, no sleeping bags, and no tarps Oct 13 16:52:44 in fact I've seen "yes we will allow them to return, just need a bit of time to power wash things" Oct 13 16:52:54 Thats straight from the OB site Oct 13 16:53:06 I'm a bit bummed at the OccupyOregon site, it's not got one bit of real information, just a bunch of ads. Oct 13 16:53:34 Says that on occupywallst.org too Oct 13 16:53:40 * kavita (~kavita@144.212.x.k) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:54:00 "NYPD Police Commissioner Ray Kelly has said that they will move in to clear us and we will not be allowed to take sleeping bags, tarps, personal items or gear back into the park." Oct 13 16:54:04 think anyone is going to play by the new rules? Oct 13 16:54:22 if they don't take thier shit and leave, then they will be arrested and lose the shit they have now Oct 13 16:54:56 kinda defeats the purpose of an occupation if you don't occupy, doesn't it? Oct 13 16:55:29 I think that we need to all agree to follow every rule and obey every command except for the ones designed to make us leave. The only time we should be stubborn assholes is when they try to restrict the protests Oct 13 16:55:33 kinda defeats the prospect of having our movement defend the homes of people from banks while we don't respect property rights Oct 13 16:55:38 it's a movement- don't get hung up on the word "occupy" Oct 13 16:56:14 So how do we act when the police do not let us occupy anywhere? Cause thats eventually what they will do once this goes on long enough Oct 13 16:56:20 it's pretty amazing that cities have allowed people to camp at all Oct 13 16:56:32 we're at that point laiv Oct 13 16:56:41 * Shidash (~Shidash@r-88-461-552-58.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:56:45 there is a right to protest but not take over property Oct 13 16:56:47 march starting ? police tracking something. Oct 13 16:56:49 Boston has gone through "Critical Mass Overflow" into another park, and we all know what happened with that Oct 13 16:56:50 Anyone at camp? Oct 13 16:57:07 movement will have to become mobile Oct 13 16:57:11 I know, so what does OWS look like when it looses the occupy part? Oct 13 16:57:11 * OccupyBoston186 (~OccupyBos@140.232.snj.jqz) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:57:30 has the march started? hearing chatters over PD scanners Oct 13 16:57:32 We'll march in and cover up with plastic sheeting and let them arrest us, then make bail and make them do it again. It's the only way Oct 13 16:57:38 * austin (~austin@i79-48-903-418.kgldga.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:58:04 Maybe it needs to be a mobile occupy -- occupy here -- spting up somewhere else Oct 13 16:58:10 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to Shidash Oct 13 16:58:13 Stash our tents and supplies off site, and only bring in what we can afford to lose Oct 13 16:58:18 * ctw (~fusilliba@918-8-73-245.c7-7.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 16:58:23 strategy & tactics of movement needs to be fluid to respond to fluid circumstances Oct 13 16:58:36 is anyone here actually there? Oct 13 16:58:57 Was there a few hours ago Oct 13 16:58:59 finding a visible private supporter would be best Oct 13 16:59:05 quiet, wet Oct 13 16:59:08 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1__Plrec0Nq9EhcU0nydGMZv4_8IqYZucAcM6IFX6Qfg/edit?hl=en_US Oct 13 16:59:08 OccupyBoston091: those sort of requirements vastly undermine participation Oct 13 16:59:15 * Dizzi_gone is now known as DizziDaizi Oct 13 16:59:15 hello? Oct 13 16:59:20 * humanmichael has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 16:59:32 you could always practice civil unrest until you're allowed to sleep in the streets again Oct 13 16:59:36 hello 186 Oct 13 16:59:53 I can think of at least 20 ways to annoy EVERYONE in new york Oct 13 17:00:11 I think we're going to have to suffer arrest after arrest until we wear them out. How's the bail fund? Oct 13 17:00:35 * OccupyBoston186 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 17:00:40 GenKreton: maybe different tactics are needed Oct 13 17:01:04 * OccupyBoston010 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 17:01:16 it is all in how Occupy Wall Street wants to play the game... Oct 13 17:01:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Come on #occupyboston tweeps, can't we get #shrubberypolice to trend? A scofflaw inadvertently bent a branch! CALL THE SHRUBBERY POLICE! etc - http://twitter.com/CHR1SHartman/statuses/124590438568042497 Oct 13 17:01:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Hummm? RT @DailyCristo What Would Jesus Occupy? http://t.co/AuRwqynf #OccupyWallStreet #occupyboston #occupyBaltimore #occupyny #occupysf - http://twitter.com/OrganicFreak/statuses/124590445614465024 Oct 13 17:01:52 * cephaline has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 17:02:26 I don't disagree OccupyBoston091 Oct 13 17:02:28 [Occupy Boston] Jeff Rowe Writes Us A Song - http://occupyboston.com/2011/10/13/jeff-rowe-writes-us-a-song/ Oct 13 17:02:41 250-300 marching according to BPD Oct 13 17:03:06 Question, What happened to those arrested with prior records? Oct 13 17:03:13 on monday Oct 13 17:03:28 the only one I talked to paid a $100 fine instead of $50 Oct 13 17:03:29 people with priors were advised to not be arrested Oct 13 17:03:52 guerilla tactics for the occuaption Oct 13 17:04:18 focus has been on massing peeps together- which is good, but don't overlook advantages of subgroups employing differing tactics simultaneously Oct 13 17:04:46 hosap: agreed Oct 13 17:04:50 091 gurila without guns Oct 13 17:04:59 the more complicated it gets the harder it is to participate Oct 13 17:05:16 gen yes harder for oligarchy too Oct 13 17:05:30 thats the thing, once you start breaking more serious laws, this movement will get crushed into the ground... its a good thing anonymous never made good on that threat Oct 13 17:05:39 Well im out, be at camp in a couple hours Oct 13 17:05:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Jeff Rowe wrote #OccupyBoston a song!! http://t.co/7iEqivwG cc @jeffrowemusic - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124591037342695424 Oct 13 17:06:05 * laiv has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 17:06:20 like the rebels in Total Recall Oct 13 17:07:27 Kinda like the farmers along Battle Road 200 yrs ago Oct 13 17:07:48 Hi Oct 13 17:07:55 would a buch of pedestrians walking on sidewalks and obeying traffic lights be breaking serious laws? advantage in making the movement more visable through mobility Oct 13 17:08:18 He're another option. maybe: What if all the Occupations suddenly picked up camp and descended on NYC? We could boost their numbers a hundredfold, get them established, and take 3/4 of everybody to the next city Oct 13 17:08:26 well I'm gonna go do stuff Oct 13 17:08:27 BBL Oct 13 17:08:38 * ElliottTheMedic has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 17:08:49 that excludes us occupying but whom have jobs Oct 13 17:08:54 if they take the people out of zuccotti by force i think that could be a catalyst for a lot more people to get involved Oct 13 17:09:01 * Resistance (~mexican@nxb-64-55-200-822.satx.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:09:03 824 it may come to something like that, especially in winter Oct 13 17:09:30 gen will have to stayt connected in here Oct 13 17:09:43 824 the problem is that many of the occupation can't actually afford to leave, either directly financially or due to ties (school,jobs,etc) locally Oct 13 17:09:56 We could shift the whole thing to DC and build the equivalent of the Bonus Army tent city, maybe? Winter would be easier Oct 13 17:10:05 do it in valley forge Oct 13 17:10:08 :) Oct 13 17:10:27 that would end in blood Oct 13 17:10:41 trying not to have kent state here Oct 13 17:10:46 and the movement is easier to squash in one illegal maneuver Oct 13 17:10:58 and in 1 group Oct 13 17:11:37 if you're going to all congregate in one city be smart and pick like LA Oct 13 17:12:38 la has the weather and city council support Oct 13 17:12:44 * austin has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 17:13:00 Who is at camp? Oct 13 17:13:08 I have undergone cardioversion 5 times, had six pulmonary emboli, and a massive nheart attack, on top of my diabetes and high blood pressure and COPD. At this point I don't give a royal fuck if they shed my blood. One good pepper-spraying and my lungs will quit, one good taser and my heart stops. I'm really not too concerned about it. Oct 13 17:13:31 Tracy_camp: I wil be by 6 Oct 13 17:13:35 leaving in a couple Oct 13 17:13:43 * OccupyBoston416 (~OccupyBos@355-379-801-5.c3-6.nwt-ubr5.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:13:45 * OccupyBoston136 (~OccupyBos@38.97.kx.lyv) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:13:47 but I'm attending the buddhist mindfulness discussion Oct 13 17:13:56 ok 824 thats not a healthy outlook Oct 13 17:14:06 What time is that? Oct 13 17:14:21 at 6 Oct 13 17:14:34 * OccupyBoston416 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 17:14:34 Sounds cool Oct 13 17:14:43 actually Tracy_camp where is the spirituality tent? Oct 13 17:14:47 its the one I havent been to haha Oct 13 17:15:01 * OccupyBoston305 (~OccupyBos@38.97.kx.lyv) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:15:13 no, but I'm kind of numb to death, having sat up playing cards with it so many times over the last two years. If I need to get arrested over and over for peacefully laying down under a tarp, I will Oct 13 17:15:27 Up front. Oct 13 17:15:27 gen you're naughty :) Oct 13 17:15:46 hey leftyfb: are you the guy that brought the UPS? Oct 13 17:15:59 yes Oct 13 17:16:06 ok, then we have met Oct 13 17:16:08 sunday Oct 13 17:16:12 and the wireless mesh network Oct 13 17:16:23 Sandman, are you at camp? Oct 13 17:16:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @amstefano988 @lizpelly @daviday @arielshearer Jeff Rowe has written #occupyboston a pop song. http://t.co/idFpyvQH Woot! - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124592465457070080 Oct 13 17:16:41 no...why? Oct 13 17:16:51 Sandman: remind me who you were? name? Oct 13 17:16:55 Just curious Oct 13 17:16:59 erm...sandman Oct 13 17:17:03 mike sandman Oct 13 17:17:04 * OccupyBoston136 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 17:17:05 the movement isn't going to stop if the tents come down or if they arrest anyone, this isn't based on opinion it's based on fact, the fact is we are not being represented or provided for occupy tent cities are just the first wave breaking on shore, everyone wants to talk about what the goals are, when is this starting and when is this over, they can move all of us wherever they want but the fact is until thi Oct 13 17:17:07 Tracy_camp is lonely :) Oct 13 17:17:24 * deinous has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 17:17:25 you met me and my girlfriend Oct 13 17:17:27 * OccupyBoston473 (~OccupyBos@z-29-67-669-58.hsd2.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:17:36 the korean girl sitting next to me Oct 13 17:17:39 * OccupyBoston473 is now known as deinous Oct 13 17:17:48 i was across from you and one seat to the right Oct 13 17:17:52 * MediaTent (~MediaTent@50.12.rzo.ju) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:17:52 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to MediaTent Oct 13 17:17:52 assuming that was you Oct 13 17:17:59 but i remember you scrolled up with the UPS Oct 13 17:18:01 whats going at occupy boston today? Oct 13 17:18:09 oh, which reminds me Oct 13 17:18:20 i followed up with her on solar power, nothing yet Oct 13 17:18:23 Yes Oct 13 17:18:25 Sandman: I apologize, I only slightly remember ... i've met a LOT of people lately :) Oct 13 17:18:32 yeah, no foolin Oct 13 17:18:43 How do we get 94.5 to set up a tent for a day? Oct 13 17:18:46 the guy who works for the solar company we know may come visit this weekend Oct 13 17:18:52 * siegfail has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 17:19:10 Get some hip-hop going - Dot is only a few miles away Oct 13 17:19:13 Sandman: I think we already have that sorted out Oct 13 17:19:19 * siegfail (~AndChat@ak71952c5.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:19:21 really? Oct 13 17:19:26 * TarenCapel (~TarenCape@96-025-49-01.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:19:30 awesome, i hate that kid Oct 13 17:19:37 he likes my girlfriend a little too much Oct 13 17:19:43 i'd LOVE to not have to call him Oct 13 17:19:48 * OccupyBoston148 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 17:19:59 * siegfail has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 17:20:11 * deusexmachina (~deusexmac@84-301-43-69-diljqtxfes.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:20:15 * siegfail (~AndChat@ak71952c5.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:20:28 * OccupyBoston824 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 17:20:48 see you guys at camp :) Oct 13 17:20:58 i'm gonna need to get a nametag Oct 13 17:20:59 :) Oct 13 17:21:07 so many people are gonna be looking for me there Oct 13 17:21:09 * OccupyBoston091 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 17:21:11 rehi chaps. Oct 13 17:21:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] >>> RT @sliggity Is #occupyboston the city's biggest flash mob yet? - http://twitter.com/kaitlinmaud/statuses/124595399037173761 Oct 13 17:21:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @superbranch: Veterans for Peace.. and the crowd goes wild! #occupyboston http://t.co/Bmv0faIn - http://twitter.com/eheat/statuses/124595473360232448 Oct 13 17:21:58 * Houndish2 (~Houndish@uksf-73-076-021-71.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:21:59 Lefty, I think I forget what you look like. Oct 13 17:22:07 Your brother is here? Oct 13 17:22:13 he should be somewhere Oct 13 17:22:15 * Houndish has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 13 17:22:21 * OccupyBoston462 (~OccupyBos@204.45.ops.wur) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:22:24 i remember what you look like Oct 13 17:22:27 you look...like an electrician Oct 13 17:23:00 leftyfb's nametag will read: My name is "That IRC Nerd You All Know and Love" Oct 13 17:23:08 :) Oct 13 17:23:19 Just put that nametag on your right arm Oct 13 17:23:37 sounds like BPD is coordinating traffic flow for march Oct 13 17:23:49 * OccupyBoston074 (~OccupyBos@o3374232.mgh.harvard.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:23:58 * Sandman has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 17:24:04 * OccupyBoston074 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 17:24:05 I was just reminded of an issue I'd forgotten... Oct 13 17:24:09 freewill: u listening to scanner? what is link? Oct 13 17:24:34 http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=cwp&ctid=1225 Oct 13 17:24:38 * Tracy_work (~nobody@79-51-85-808.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:24:44 What if the City starts bringing in third party security firms in case overtime gets stretched for the Police Department. (including wall street) Oct 13 17:24:56 nick/ Tracy_camp Oct 13 17:25:07 select third one on list - Police Oct 13 17:25:28 * Tracy_work has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 17:25:30 thx Oct 13 17:25:37 yqw Oct 13 17:25:57 I'd think it'd happen to OWS before it happens to OB. Oct 13 17:26:12 * Tracy_camp has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 13 17:26:28 has anyone tried to contact larry lessig to come and speak at occupy boston? Oct 13 17:26:40 hate that guy Oct 13 17:26:52 heh, why? Oct 13 17:26:53 he refused me as a client when Microsoft came after me for a domain name Oct 13 17:27:00 * OccupyBoston071 (~OccupyBos@e-19-43-966-43.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:27:10 ahhh... Oct 13 17:27:28 * OccupyBoston071 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 17:27:57 * Tracy_camp (~nobody@79-51-85-808.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:28:01 he still has some good ideas toward the occupy movement, shouldnt let personal feelings get in the way of that Oct 13 17:28:13 * OccupyBoston390 (~OccupyBos@qxnv-31-878-218-226.prvdri.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:28:39 Hello Boston from Rhode Island Oct 13 17:28:49 hello RI Oct 13 17:28:50 hello Oct 13 17:28:51 hello 390 Oct 13 17:29:03 I need your help. Oct 13 17:29:26 with? Oct 13 17:29:34 Trenton NJ, is going to be raided by the State Police. Oct 13 17:29:36 speak up 390 Oct 13 17:30:00 lessig isn't a bad guy he helped me with a documentary Oct 13 17:30:05 They have been told to leave, no written proof. Oct 13 17:30:10 he has a million people ask him for help Oct 13 17:30:38 what is wrong with Lessig? Oct 13 17:30:42 i had larry as a professor years ago Oct 13 17:30:46 lefty doesn't like him Oct 13 17:30:59 lessig would be warned for trolling no matter what he said in here Oct 13 17:31:01 Please show support for them, you had it happen to you. Oct 13 17:31:04 * OccupyBoston085 (~OccupyBos@btff-194-45-588-66.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:31:17 he wrote a great piece in the NY Times about OccupyWS Oct 13 17:31:21 Stand Strong Oct 13 17:31:25 RI are you encamped? Oct 13 17:31:28 * ttuttle|offsite sets mode +C #occupyboston Oct 13 17:31:32 Lefty has problems with Lessig? Missed something Oct 13 17:31:33 nj chat currently stating police are saying peeps can stay but not stuff Oct 13 17:31:36 Not yet Oct 13 17:31:41 * OccupyNana has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 17:31:43 Tracy_camp: can you let Media know about Trenton, NJ? Oct 13 17:32:39 * OccupyBoston085 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 17:32:41 Thats a veterans memorial they Occupy Oct 13 17:32:43 lessig does have a very good comprehensively worded amendment to remove corporate money from the political infrastuctre that should be pushed Oct 13 17:32:46 * OccupyBoston791 (~OccupyBos@btff-194-45-588-66.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:32:58 * OccupyBoston791 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 17:33:08 you could disperse and return later, no loss of equipment, no arrests. Oct 13 17:33:11 Where are Veterans who got sold out? Oct 13 17:33:44 FREEDOM Oct 13 17:33:50 make them keep muster for an action that won't occur. Oct 13 17:34:33 * OccupyBoston390 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 17:34:37 missed it. what about Trenton? Oct 13 17:35:00 * Caper (~Caper@d-57-43-576-75.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:35:27 trenton doesn't have a lot of people. My friend was there. Oct 13 17:35:46 said: Trenton NJ, is going to be raided by the State Police. Oct 13 17:37:41 09:24 < OccupyBoston664> Trenton New Jersey reports state police are going to remove them. Oct 13 17:38:40 paddy wagon here Oct 13 17:39:46 * DizziDaizi has quit () Oct 13 17:39:54 Tracy_camp: for? Oct 13 17:40:22 * MediaTent has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 17:40:58 wish I knew. Oct 13 17:41:19 not a lot of cops thiugh Oct 13 17:41:21 though Oct 13 17:41:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Ran into #occupyboston when leaving my internship today. The movement's certainly grown! - http://twitter.com/anneehurst/statuses/124600410190249984 Oct 13 17:41:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @deanprocter Here's a solid bunch of charts and graphs that illustrate exactly how fu**ed we are: http://t.co/IK3rrPtH #OccupyBoston - http://twitter.com/norendition/statuses/124600511046500354 Oct 13 17:42:07 * OccupyBoston804 (~OccupyBos@38.97.kx.lyv) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:42:07 * OccupyBoston305 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 17:42:09 chatter in nj states police told peeps action to occur within an hour Oct 13 17:42:10 Tracy_camp: In light of the police presence, do you think the livestream will be coming back online soon? Oct 13 17:42:46 not in tent Oct 13 17:43:07 http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-about-2011-10#lets-start-with-the-obvious-unemployment-three-years-after-the-financial-crisis-the-unemployment-rate-is-still-at-the-highest-level-since-the-great-depression-except-for-a-brief-blip-in-the-early-1980s-1 Oct 13 17:43:43 Seriously? They couldn't truncate that URL a bit? Oct 13 17:44:17 Who uses a synopsis as a file name? Oct 13 17:44:42 haz it's like cliff notes :) Oct 13 17:44:53 lol Oct 13 17:45:02 hi tracy Oct 13 17:45:03 * Sasso is now known as Ron Oct 13 17:45:16 hosap: And they work the same too. I don't feel like I actually need to read the document now. Oct 13 17:45:20 hi Oct 13 17:45:32 haz do the same often Oct 13 17:45:44 * GeoBos has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 17:45:49 tracy how you feeling today? Oct 13 17:46:01 * TarenCapel has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 13 17:46:03 ok thanks Oct 13 17:46:09 good Oct 13 17:46:10 I'm really rather disturbed that Occupy Portland seems to just be acting as an arm of Anonymous. Oct 13 17:46:12 * GeoBos (~geobos@fhzlyl-449-960-469-874.mycingular.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:46:25 * TarenCapel (~TarenCape@96-025-49-01.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:46:28 haz in what way? Oct 13 17:47:01 hosap: Well, the livestream has just been an Anonymous commercial every time I've looked. (only the last two days, to be fair) Oct 13 17:47:10 * Ron is now known as Sasso Oct 13 17:47:11 ok Oct 13 17:47:43 And, even worse, the links provided by the livestream page go to some girl's FB, and an occupyoregon.org that has nothing but ads on it. Oct 13 17:48:02 * GeoBos has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 17:48:10 BPD scanner: "March stepping off" Oct 13 17:48:25 most sites need a larger rotation of vids when offline or just post "offline" Oct 13 17:48:59 462 thanks for latest Oct 13 17:49:21 BPD scanner "2nd march stepping off" Oct 13 17:49:27 So far, I can't even find anything that is actually about Occupy Portland. It's all Anonymous stuff everywhere Ocupy Portland things should be. Oct 13 17:49:45 i'm coming down to camp tomorrow what should i bring? Oct 13 17:50:14 * mojooccupy (~mojooccup@x-69-240-681-210.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:50:18 * OccupyBoston117 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 17:50:20 * Sasso is now known as Ron Oct 13 17:50:47 One of you ops should put a little more info in the /topic. Maybe replace that caps stuff with a link to the online list of needs, for example. Oct 13 17:50:53 haz i see Oct 13 17:51:03 A link to the Lawyer's Guild would probably be a good idea too. Oct 13 17:51:06 no more tents Oct 13 17:51:19 logistics said no more tents Oct 13 17:52:30 Is that why police are there? Oct 13 17:53:01 no, just a few police Oct 13 17:53:14 wagon gine Oct 13 17:53:53 * OccupyBoston021 (~OccupyBos@zpcz-11-759-293-84.burl.east.myfairpoint.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:53:55 oh you mean logistics is out of tents for use? Oct 13 17:54:31 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to hazard Oct 13 17:54:33 no, someone tried to set up a library and they said they can't Oct 13 17:54:35 hazard: please do :) Oct 13 17:54:42 * OccupyBoston021 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 17:54:53 ah ok. Oct 13 17:54:54 if I heard right Oct 13 17:55:29 carpenters union here Oct 13 17:55:51 leftyfb: I don't actually have those links. Oct 13 17:56:01 leftyfb: I suppose I can scrape them from my logs though. Oct 13 17:56:04 cops gonna shut it down if more tents go up? Oct 13 17:56:10 BPD scanne: "Group of about 40 up Congress" -- Most are anarchists in group w/faces covered Oct 13 17:56:23 Is there a police dept liason? Oct 13 17:56:37 BPD scanner: Don't know. Oct 13 17:56:43 lil Oct 13 17:56:45 lol Oct 13 17:56:57 maybe 3 people hace covered faces Oct 13 17:57:13 tell them to uncover. Oct 13 17:58:33 * OccupyBoston316 (~OccupyBos@qxnv-31-878-218-226.prvdri.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:58:43 Hey Boston Oct 13 17:58:53 hello 316 Oct 13 17:59:14 Trenton NJ told they have 1 hour to pack up and be nice. Oct 13 17:59:23 That are too many URLs in my log to reasonably parse. Anyone have the links to the Lawyer's Guild info and/or the list of needs? Oct 13 17:59:28 Any advise? Oct 13 17:59:33 * DizziDaizi (DizziDaizi@47g0279u.bb.sky.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 17:59:37 BPD scanner: March going down Federal Oct 13 18:00:28 They are looking for any legal help. Oct 13 18:00:46 * Ron is now known as Sasso Oct 13 18:00:56 The site is a WW2 State Veterans Park. Oct 13 18:01:19 Lefty,are you coming? Oct 13 18:01:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Why #OccupyBoston's #SocialMedia Presence is Impossible to Ignore - http://t.co/SlPoD1Ll - http://twitter.com/Will_OpenDoorSM/statuses/124605491526639616 Oct 13 18:01:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @Chase_Schaub like I just said, we had permission. Menino authorized those arrests to try to cut down our movement #OccupyBoston - http://twitter.com/SpencerCvngh/statuses/124605547747094529 Oct 13 18:01:35 Tracy_camp: yes, afte work Oct 13 18:01:38 next hour or so Oct 13 18:02:36 yes take off masks please - tell them. Oct 13 18:02:36 * OccupyBoston462 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 18:02:38 * DanglingMan (~DanglingM@z-60-99-366-225.hsd8.il.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:02:40 Massachusetts General Laws, Chapter 268 Section 34. Whoever disguises himself with intent to obstruct the due execution of the law, or to intimidate, hinder or interrupt an officer or other person in the lawful performance of his duty, or in the exercise of his rights under the constitution or laws of the commonwealth, whether such intent is effected or not, shall be punished by a fine of not more than five hundred dollars or by Oct 13 18:02:40 imprisonment for not more than one year and may if imprisoned also be bound to good behavior for one year after the expiration of such imprisonment. Oct 13 18:02:46 our people refused to comply, got arrested and all equipment throw in garbage trucks. Oct 13 18:02:57 that's it up there ^ Oct 13 18:03:01 * OccupyBoston352 (~OccupyBos@82.77.ztv.jw) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:03:03 if you are de-facto protesting, Oct 13 18:03:06 then the interpretation is Oct 13 18:03:10 * DanglingMan has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 18:03:17 * DanglingMan (~DanglingM@z-60-99-366-225.hsd8.il.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:03:24 hi there, no live coverage from Boston? ty Oct 13 18:03:38 that you are preventing an officer from seeing who you are, as a protestor, therefore, you are "hindering an officer from performance of his duty" Oct 13 18:03:38 where will we go next? Oct 13 18:04:01 so, for anyone in the boston area, tonight there is a proposal that will come up for a group "shopping trip" to the prudential mall on Sunday, with the purpose of clogging and possibly shutting down the mall. It is to involve plainclothes, no signs or chants, and consist mainly of being in the mall, and some talking to store employees about the products (appearing as a potential buyer) in order to take resources away from their conducting b Oct 13 18:04:24 you can mask up when "walking around" or in camp I believe, but on a march they may pull you. Oct 13 18:04:33 if all goes well, we may be able to force them to shut down the mall, as we will be indistinguishable from real shoppers. It all depends on numbers, however, so maximum participation is encouraged. Oct 13 18:05:07 If anyone has concerns or is confronted about loitering (it's possible), I'd encourage you to buy something cheap and useful for the camp. Obviously, everyone is free to make their own decisions in the face of confrontation. Oct 13 18:05:20 * OccupyBoston316 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 18:05:55 punx boycott-consumerism nice tactic Oct 13 18:06:14 * OccupyBoston462 (~OccupyBos@b-71-398-454-890.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:06:27 hosap: yea, there's been a lot of discussion of it for a few days in the camp. The best part is, we can be open in planning it, because the "worst case" scenario is that the police shut it down without us even having to go. Oct 13 18:06:34 ...at which point, we can have a march or something. Oct 13 18:06:36 or anticonsumerism, if you will Oct 13 18:06:40 The nasty comments at the Herald (I know, what did I expect) are saying that the movement is anti-Semitic and anti-Israel. Can we counter this somehow? Oct 13 18:06:51 * Tracy_camp has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 13 18:07:00 DanglingMan: well, most are anti-Israel. none I've met are anti-semitic Oct 13 18:07:26 anti-israel is also a regime thing, I do not think they are anti-israeli, no? Oct 13 18:07:26 and of course, I've met jews there. Oct 13 18:07:32 * TarenCapel is curious for comparison. Oct 13 18:07:33 the best thing to do would be outreach with community jewish groups Oct 13 18:07:49 Well, I'm going to have to bow out if we come out as anti-Israel. I believe in a 2 state solution. Oct 13 18:07:52 TarenCapel: that is correct. there isn't an official stance on israel from what i gathered Oct 13 18:07:56 * Sasso is now known as Ron Oct 13 18:07:59 issue a statement refuting Heralds claim. Oct 13 18:08:18 but the general crowd does seem to be relatively anti-zionist. many, however, are in favor of the one state solution, where palestinians get equal say and rights in the state of Israel Oct 13 18:08:23 i attended a teach in on that matter. Oct 13 18:08:28 That's cause for rejoice. If they're busy trying to slander you, it means they've got nothing else to say, and are just backpedaling. Oct 13 18:08:38 ask legal if it is libel. Oct 13 18:08:39 There shouldn't be an israel stance. Oct 13 18:08:45 yea. first they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you. then you win. Oct 13 18:08:55 occupunx I ask because that is mostly the stand on Iran as well, so that is interesting. ty Oct 13 18:09:06 DanglingMan: that is correct, there shouldn't be, as it would be divisive and a bit off topic./ Oct 13 18:09:08 DanglingMan - agreed - totally Oct 13 18:09:14 and its not about lab animal testing Oct 13 18:09:18 or legalising marijuana Oct 13 18:09:20 ffs. Oct 13 18:09:22 :) Oct 13 18:09:27 I believe we should be in favor of getting out of Afghanistan and Iraq, though Oct 13 18:09:33 * hams has quit (Quit: Lost terminal) Oct 13 18:09:34 well that can be done Oct 13 18:09:36 the anti-war element i'm okay with, because the wars are corporate wars. Oct 13 18:09:47 with proper language - that doesnt upset or polarise people Oct 13 18:09:48 like Oct 13 18:10:03 the racial solidarity thing i'm okay with, because corporations and the state work together against minorities, and also because that element will bring more people into the fold. Oct 13 18:10:03 yes...and they are favored by the 1% Oct 13 18:10:05 "no war without declaration and funding, or without congress" Oct 13 18:10:06 The wars have no end strategy Oct 13 18:10:12 yes Oct 13 18:10:12 TarenCapel: Legalizing hemp (as a separate thing from marijuana) could go a very long way in rebuilding the economy. Oct 13 18:10:13 * OccupyBoston462 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 18:10:17 but side issues must be met with extreme criticism before being seriously considered/ Oct 13 18:10:17 they are not even proper wars. Oct 13 18:10:25 they do not advance the interests of the US or the nations we occupy Oct 13 18:10:38 well, yes, marijuana is tricky, because that was a specific corporate campaign that led to prohibition Oct 13 18:10:40 and maintains it. Oct 13 18:10:44 hazard - I agree fully - but OWS shouldnt make it a stance - because it is polarising like israel - if I make sense? Oct 13 18:10:56 The economy is so bad that kids are waiting 10 months to get into the marines and be shipped out. Oct 13 18:11:01 keep it 1% vs 99% Oct 13 18:11:02 it originally was about paper (see henry anslinger), but is currently more about big pharmaceuticals Oct 13 18:11:04 we need to focus on getting the money out of politics, Oct 13 18:11:11 though also about fuel, textiles, paper, etc Oct 13 18:11:22 and returning to regulated banks and posse comitatus, and a Tobin tax on the Federal reserve Oct 13 18:11:24 TarenCapel: I agree if it gets framed as a marijuana question, but I think hemp is a very good example of a way corporations have fucked things up. The textile industry, to be precise. Oct 13 18:11:30 (things I am repeating from yesterday - sorry) Oct 13 18:11:43 Keep money out of politics, make a good education a universal right, keep Israel out of the discussion. Oct 13 18:11:52 * netop (~netop@wy39-392-390-30.ri.ri.cox.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:12:02 TarenCapel: Assuming, that is, it can be kept framed as a hemp/economic manipulation issue, not a marijuana one. Oct 13 18:12:06 Even education is moderately divisive, but I personally am in favor of at least having public community colleges be tuition free. Oct 13 18:12:07 hazard - absolutely. Textile as an industry was trashed in this country because you could extract wealth more easily abroad. Oct 13 18:12:17 I like the FED tax idea, tax them at 99%. Oct 13 18:12:34 the Fed should either be nationalized (kucinich's view) or abolished (ron paul Oct 13 18:12:36 's view) Oct 13 18:12:40 We should talk about ending corporate subsidies to Big Cotton, which unfairly disadvantages African farmers Oct 13 18:12:41 hazard my fear is that marijuana goes in to OWS, and you are going to prevent many, many people from backing us - we'll be blackballed if the word is used in our objectives. Oct 13 18:12:48 There is no need to grow cotton in the US. Oct 13 18:12:50 to be replaced by a currency coined by the treasury. Oct 13 18:13:06 freewill - taxing the Fed at .006% would end the national debt in 18 months. Oct 13 18:13:17 TarenCapel: Right, that's why I keep stressing that hemp is an economic manipulation issue, but it *needs* to be kept separate from the marijuana issue. Oct 13 18:13:24 how long at 99% Oct 13 18:13:25 I think we can say that ending the so-called war on drugs will save billions Oct 13 18:13:29 TarenCapel: ending prohibition is certainly something that needs to be delicately handled in the movement. however, at least a message of national decriminalization is key. Oct 13 18:13:36 ahh there goes my battery. Oct 13 18:13:38 as the drug war is a waste of tax dollars Oct 13 18:13:46 occupunx agreed. Oct 13 18:14:10 * stvrrdn (~stvrrdn@305-829-386-360.c4-5.wtr-ubr3.sbo-wtr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:14:15 anyone read the rolling stone advice article from the other day damn there goes battery for reals. Oct 13 18:14:16 hahaha Oct 13 18:14:19 whenver the government declares war on something, there's money to be made Oct 13 18:14:20 * OccupyBoston796 (~OccupyBos@otff-36-822-6-272.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:14:23 ok back later chaps need an outlet agian. Oct 13 18:14:37 is the ga at 7 on the livestream? Oct 13 18:14:42 * gypsynature (~gypsynatu@14-59-320-38-gnbjdvvafzzu.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:14:52 * random2086 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 18:14:53 war on drugs, war on alcohol, war on x, y, or z Oct 13 18:14:59 oh and the livestream is offline Oct 13 18:15:18 When can we try to move north again? Oct 13 18:15:32 we should do it sat Oct 13 18:15:39 DanglingMan - I'd consider the rest of the greenway first, and maybe splitting in two. Oct 13 18:15:46 you need car batteries and CB radios. Oct 13 18:15:55 two radio shacks. Oct 13 18:16:05 deviding the camps divides the police resources as well dont forget Oct 13 18:16:09 * OccupyBoston082 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 18:16:10 and covers more ground. Oct 13 18:16:12 we need to reoccupy the 2nd part of the greenway Oct 13 18:16:18 soon Oct 13 18:16:26 Yeah, 'cause that went so well the first time. Oct 13 18:16:31 that might be fruitless - to try to retake that. Oct 13 18:16:37 move to the charles. Oct 13 18:16:38 why Oct 13 18:16:39 bbl Oct 13 18:16:41 outlet ! Oct 13 18:16:42 :D Oct 13 18:16:45 occupyboston796: a lot of discussion is actually going into branching out into the "ghetto" communities Oct 13 18:16:52 * TarenCapel has quit (Quit: TarenCapel) Oct 13 18:17:03 in order to help them with neighborhood restoration, build allies, and meanwhile obtain space. Oct 13 18:17:11 we were invited last night by a community group from roxbury Oct 13 18:17:13 occupy bunker hill Oct 13 18:17:19 * deusexmachina has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 18:17:27 I don't want to hide behind my children, but I want to have them with me so the police can see what they are doing Oct 13 18:17:28 * OccupyBoston943 (~OccupyBos@66.232.pty.qsg) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:17:35 its public space its our space this time we go all out cement ourselves chain ourselves to trees and poles and whatever else Oct 13 18:17:38 most of us beforehand felt that it would be presumptuous for a bunch of white people to occupy areas of roxbury, mattapan, hyde park, etc, but we were specifically invited by a community group Oct 13 18:17:38 * ZanzibarMan has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 18:17:44 so there is now a working group exploring our options Oct 13 18:17:56 * OccupyBoston975 (~OccupyBos@klpu-60-36-482-811.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:18:00 got a great space in Framinhgam :) Oct 13 18:18:04 DanglingMan: you'd be advised to avoid being on the front lines, and perhaps behind the cops observing Oct 13 18:18:09 perhaps with a camera Oct 13 18:18:11 * OccupyBoston943 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 18:18:14 what does color have to do withthis Oct 13 18:18:18 perhaps even with a concealed camera putting up a stream Oct 13 18:18:20 * OccupyBoston444 (~OccupyBos@66.232.pty.qsg) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:18:48 * random6472 (~nobody@80.67.t.hs) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:18:48 * stvrrdn has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 18:18:56 mojooccupy: the issue of police brutality is definitely a big one right now, but also the matter of cori reform, along with a racial disparity in the unemployment rate Oct 13 18:19:08 also, racist banking policies. Oct 13 18:19:18 I have mixed emotions about CORI Oct 13 18:19:23 occupunx: Have you checked with legal about hidden cameras/microphones? Oct 13 18:19:25 * OccupyBoston651 (~OccupyBos@57-411-424-421.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:19:26 * OccupyBoston975 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 18:19:36 You know, before I started participating in OB, I had no idea how many people there were who had such astounding misconceptions about the Federal Reserve. Oct 13 18:19:37 hazard: i have not...i guess that's a good point to consider...it may not be quite legal. Oct 13 18:19:45 * Jay_Guevara (~Jay_Gueva@klpu-60-36-482-811.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:19:52 And they cling to them with incredible tenacity. Oct 13 18:19:55 Howdy folks Oct 13 18:20:03 however, if it's live streaming, you could perhaps claim plausible deniability in that it could have "pocket dialed" Oct 13 18:20:04 occupunx: Yeah, you have to watch for "two party" states. Where concealed mic is a "wire tap" Oct 13 18:20:27 hazard: i know here, you can record cops. but you're probably right that it has to be by something in plain view Oct 13 18:20:29 the police have to be expected to be filmed Oct 13 18:20:48 occupunx: I'm pretty sure that if it's in the open, it's always federally protected, it's the concealment that creates issues. Oct 13 18:20:50 you can still be useful without putting yourself in danger though Oct 13 18:21:01 There's a political side to the recording issue - it might not be legal to tape rodney king, but CNN will air it and it still has an impact Oct 13 18:21:01 offer to guard personal property for those holding the line, etc Oct 13 18:21:17 hazard: well, it was a point of contention in general prior to a recent court ruling Oct 13 18:21:19 * OccupyBoston313 (~OccupyBos@226-55-36-790-jpmbmsgb2w.bu.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:21:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @ochocinco @edelman11 you guys are totally going to #OccupyBoston http://t.co/ZXN3Ccy4 - http://twitter.com/JackKelly111/statuses/124610227680198656 Oct 13 18:21:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Wickedsmaaaht: Help #OccupyBoston - bring them job applications ! Lots and lots! Watch them run like Dracula from a cross - http://twitter.com/msp0789/statuses/124610329232670721 Oct 13 18:21:43 occupunx: Yeah. Sounds like a good thing to check in with legal about. Oct 13 18:21:43 I have read your web page and am still not realy sure what it is you are protesting can anyone clarifi for me? Oct 13 18:22:12 The lack of accountability for Wall Street, for starters Oct 13 18:22:12 * OccupyBoston444 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 18:22:14 that is certainly true Jay_Guevara. even if not CNN, livestreaming means it's already out in the world regardless of legality. but we're more discussing low to no risk ways of helping in the event of police actions Oct 13 18:22:19 In the herald they said we'd run if they had a job fair at Dewey. I said Bring it on. Oct 13 18:22:20 due to the presence of children Oct 13 18:22:24 * OccupyBoston796 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 18:22:45 DanglingMan: all festivals planned in the next few months in that space have been officially cancelled already Oct 13 18:22:45 * gypsynature has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 18:23:18 they were being sarcastic: we are unwashed lazies who want handouts. Oct 13 18:23:21 Heh. Getting the occupiers jobs is the #1 thing likely to end the movement. Oct 13 18:23:21 we discussed perhaps sending a messenger to Menino to demand more space in return for our allowing festivals to happen (to make it clear HE caused them to be cancelled, not us), but it was tabled. Oct 13 18:23:40 ctw: not likely. most have them. myself included. Oct 13 18:23:50 hard to say we don't have jobs when every major union in town is currently marching. Oct 13 18:23:54 I think we need to think more like Gandhi, King Jr, and Mandela. We can't avoid getting busted and having our heads smashed in. The way we win is ny making sure the whokle world sees it. Oct 13 18:23:57 * DanglingMan has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 18:24:29 Jay_Guevara: It's a damned shame there is so much truth in that. Oct 13 18:24:36 Jay_Guevara: mlk and others still had violent police actions against them. that's the stance we're taking. no violence, but we're not just listening to all orders either. Oct 13 18:24:48 * OccupyBoston651 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 18:24:52 we can only hope everyone will continue to abide by this Oct 13 18:25:23 Yeah, but the stuff Gandhi and King's people got beaten for were sympathetic causes. Too easy to spin Camp 2 as "we told the fuckers to stay over there, why won't they listen". Oct 13 18:25:28 if you hear anyone discussing possible violent actions, I'd encourage you to remind them of the damage done to the movements in the 60s by the weather underground Oct 13 18:25:39 in the 60s, it was an experiment. if we do it now, it's just foolishness. Oct 13 18:25:43 * OccupyBoston352 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 18:25:48 Gandhi said something about non-violence only being effective when it was motivated by choice, not impotence. Fuck. We need some serious non-violence training Oct 13 18:25:54 especially as our military has grown so much since then Oct 13 18:26:12 Jay_Guevara: there are trainings that happen. we need attendance at them. Oct 13 18:26:33 Occupunx, what do you think of the "if someone advocates violence, declare them to be a plant" tactic? Oct 13 18:26:35 there have also been a few civil disobedience trainings that also were non-violent but pro-resistance in nature. or not even pro-resistance, just pro-empowerment in decision making Oct 13 18:26:37 Jay_Guevara: http://occupywallst.org/article/how-hold-your-ground/ ask and ye shall receive Oct 13 18:26:53 ctw: no, i don't. there are plenty who just aren't necessarily considering all factors Oct 13 18:26:56 I think that's a good idea, ctw Oct 13 18:26:58 Jay_Guevara: That's a piece about how to nonviolently hold your ground. Oct 13 18:27:06 heh, I've spoken with some, and continue to voice my opinions on the matter. Oct 13 18:27:14 reading it now Oct 13 18:27:21 and no, the ones i've spoken to aren't plants. I've known some for awhile. Oct 13 18:27:46 * Devon (~Devon@w-35-377-82-71.hsd2.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:28:32 * Guest93013 is now known as lovecrime Oct 13 18:28:41 Time to eat, and watch this doc on Hugo Chavez. See you all a bit later. Oct 13 18:28:43 Anyone advocating violence should be turned over to the police, they will ruin the movement Oct 13 18:28:43 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to lovecrime Oct 13 18:29:18 c ya haz Oct 13 18:29:20 * Devon has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 18:29:27 Mojooccupy: What about people who are getting high, or inappropriately drunk? Oct 13 18:29:38 notlefty: leftyfb: you here? Oct 13 18:29:42 I know - we'll beat up anybody who advocates violence! lol Oct 13 18:29:48 mojooccupy: working with the police like that would be extremely damaging to solidarity. we should police ourselves. Oct 13 18:29:50 lovecrime: on my way Oct 13 18:30:12 oh I just realized there's a mtg tonight Oct 13 18:30:14 when is it? Oct 13 18:30:16 also, it would still result in media attention to planned violence, regardless of our turning people over. Oct 13 18:30:19 I meant were you in the channel Oct 13 18:30:24 * lovecrime facepalms Oct 13 18:30:30 I guess what I'm trying to say is, these are not easy problems to solve. Oct 13 18:30:34 I'm home a lot earlier than I thought Oct 13 18:30:55 if anything, the best thing to do would be to raise a discussion around it. the talk alone would put their plans out in the open and render them likely too dangerous for the person to follow through on. Oct 13 18:31:05 * JessyDrastic (~pjirc@m-95-67-82-36.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:31:16 That is bad also but we can let the police do some of the work themselves Oct 13 18:31:21 this of course is assuming they're exercising such bad security culture as to let anyone hear about it. Oct 13 18:31:55 mojooccupy: i guess that may be a case by case issue, and is also up to personal decision making. Personally though, I think it would usually do more harm than good. Oct 13 18:32:12 also, it is important to be clear about what constitutes violence. Oct 13 18:32:20 * Caper (~Caper@d-57-43-576-75.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 13 18:32:22 * OccupyBoston733 (~OccupyBos@899-7-81-658.c3-6.smr-ubr5.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:32:26 property destruction and murder are two very different hings. Oct 13 18:32:29 Just like iat OWC Boston should have a zero tolerance policy for drugs and alcohol in the occupied area Oct 13 18:32:41 and I, along with many people, would not consider property destruction to be violence. Oct 13 18:32:50 though i also don't consider it prudent at this juncture. Oct 13 18:32:54 * OccupyBoston733 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 18:33:02 violent or not, it would do negative publicity Oct 13 18:33:30 * moonunitzappa1 (~meek@f-38-801-938-52.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:33:40 * OccupyBoston049 (~OccupyBos@899-7-81-658.c3-6.smr-ubr5.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:33:40 It would be fun or organize a street-theater "counter-attack" for when the cops rush us. Everybody bandage themselves with white sheets smeared with ketchup and run around in circles screaming, really hamming it up for the camers Oct 13 18:34:09 We could all sit in wheelchairs and use crutches Oct 13 18:34:18 Jay_Guevara: eh, that makes us look really whiny, and gives people the impression that we are trying to compare a little beating with carpet bombing. Oct 13 18:34:19 * moonunitzappa has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 13 18:34:26 or not compare, equate Oct 13 18:34:31 yah Oct 13 18:34:37 i think just being open about the real violence that happens is fine Oct 13 18:34:45 punx in the public mind, most equate property damage with violence; msm conditioning from g20 events Oct 13 18:34:49 Every time one of us is beat or arrested without provocation the movement grows, if we use violence or destroy property we will be arrested and loose support Oct 13 18:34:54 hosap: indeed Oct 13 18:34:54 We have to come up with SOMETHING better than cringeing, though Oct 13 18:35:45 property destruction, to be effective, has to be very carefully thought out, targetted, and the pros and cons have to be weighed. in this situation, i find that it is almost impossible for it to be a good idea. there may be some instances where this is not the case, however. Oct 13 18:35:54 in any case, full blown looting is definitely a bad idea Oct 13 18:36:15 punx agreed Oct 13 18:36:20 even half or quarter-blown is a bad idea Oct 13 18:36:28 * OccupyBoston706 (~OccupyBos@bfygj-zxw-an04.proxy.aol.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:36:36 and people should know that damaging anything that belongs to the cops constitutes assaulting an officer. Oct 13 18:36:37 jay lol and correct Oct 13 18:36:52 * OccupyBoston162 (~OccupyBos@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:37:06 cop cars, shields, uniforms, etc. Oct 13 18:37:15 We need radio stations out here, starting with 94.5 Oct 13 18:37:21 that, and the motorcycles are usually hot. you're likely to be burned if you were to try anything. Oct 13 18:37:47 Well thought out destruction of anything would most likely be considered terrorism Oct 13 18:38:03 Is it true that Boston plans on clear this camp at the same time as NY? Oct 13 18:38:07 in the event of tear gas, this is true of the canisters as well. anyone wishing to throw back a canister should be sure to grab it with thick fabric wrapped around it Oct 13 18:38:21 throw it back, or elsewhere (no comment on locations here) Oct 13 18:38:21 *clearing Oct 13 18:38:29 And this sight is definately being moniored by the man Oct 13 18:38:33 yeah best to keep away from physical destruction Oct 13 18:38:34 of course it is Oct 13 18:38:51 not that we know 162 Oct 13 18:39:12 We can't destroy ANYTHING, or hurt ANYONE. Black Bloc in self-defense is okay...as long as you're talking about throwing tear gas canisters AWAY from everybody, not back at the police Oct 13 18:39:16 the cops if throwing gas canisters will be in effective gas masks...whats the point other than throwing them out of the way? Oct 13 18:39:29 i wouldn't motivate anyone to do anything illegal. i won't blanketly shoot down illegal acts either. i encourage autonomous decision making, and prefer to empower people with how to carry out actions if they so choose. Oct 13 18:40:00 things like handcuff opening, de-arresting, etc. usually a bad idea, but if you want to know how to do them, and feel in a situation that you should be doing so, i want people to know how. Oct 13 18:40:12 heh, that, and opening handcuffs may save you a troublesome time in the bedroom... Oct 13 18:40:25 * Tracy_camp (~yaaic@79-51-85-808.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:40:31 lol Oct 13 18:40:48 deinous: well, that's one reason i brought up the possibility of throwing them elsewhere. but the point would be to get them away from fellow protesters. Oct 13 18:40:50 * seekr is now known as seekr_away Oct 13 18:40:57 how did this discussion get to destruction of property anyway Oct 13 18:41:10 yeah, I'm a little baffled Oct 13 18:41:10 Duct tape a razor blade in the inside back of your pants, so you can fish it out and cut plastic handcuffs Oct 13 18:41:15 i made the distinction between violence and property destruction and it just kind of ran Oct 13 18:41:24 I heared from a few people that work for the city that the BP plans on clearing the Boston camp at the same time they clear NY. Oct 13 18:41:24 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @ZeeScarlet: Naysayers don't bother me. Half the country thought slavery was A-okay back in the day. #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/harmonywho/statuses/124615281124458497 Oct 13 18:41:24 sorry, didn't mean to be advocating it if that's what it seemed like Oct 13 18:41:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @nerdosyndical: Cops snared snake march participant for stepping off sidewalk, shoved him in wagon #OccupyBoston legal is on scene - http://twitter.com/hutzbordello/statuses/124615307489845248 Oct 13 18:41:30 just pointing out that they're two different things Oct 13 18:41:33 * DizziDaizi has quit (Quit: "Poof! gone...!") Oct 13 18:41:36 occupunx...that would be the only reason i would see throwing them Oct 13 18:41:43 If you are worried about pepper spray wear saftey glasses and smear your face with vaseline Oct 13 18:41:51 yeah i did see you say that. but the conversation took a major turn since Oct 13 18:42:05 safety glasses, or swim goggles, yes. also, a bandanna soaked in apple cider vinegar or lime juice Oct 13 18:42:05 vaseline will trap the pepper spray molecules Oct 13 18:42:24 swim goggles are nice and tight, so they give the cops nothing to really grab Oct 13 18:42:46 * Ron is now known as Sasso Oct 13 18:42:54 and the bandanna with vinegar or lime juice neutralizes the spray, preventing inhalation of it Oct 13 18:43:26 ppl should be urged to NOT wear those old rrussian gas masks...they look cool but are totally ineffective and can trap the chemicals Oct 13 18:43:28 is there going to be any live stream tonight Oct 13 18:43:41 must dash- later citizens Oct 13 18:43:45 * hosap has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 18:44:13 @ 313 dunno, taken down because of water concerns I believe. Oct 13 18:44:14 occupyboston313: no idea here. i do know that they got pedal power generators in the media tent now Oct 13 18:44:17 * Tracy_camp has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 18:44:18 thanks for the correction Oct 13 18:44:26 any cyclists who want to help, that's probably a very good option Oct 13 18:44:34 plus lime juice taste good Oct 13 18:44:39 as they're using volunteers to generate electricity Oct 13 18:44:46 I heared from a few people that work for the city that the BP plans on clearing the Boston camp at the same time they clear NY. Oct 13 18:45:00 yea. i think the apple cider vinegar works a little better, but lime juice does work, and probably tastes/smells better Oct 13 18:45:01 which is when? Oct 13 18:45:10 * Tracy_camp (~nobody@79-51-85-808.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:45:15 hi Oct 13 18:45:18 7am Oct 13 18:45:27 friday? Oct 13 18:45:33 what day? Oct 13 18:45:33 If they do, we just have to go back. Again, and again, and again Oct 13 18:45:36 OccupyBoston162: from my off the record conversation with a wbur reporter, it sounds like any attempt to clear has been postponed. Oct 13 18:45:41 but, he's just a reporter. Oct 13 18:45:42 thats bull Oct 13 18:45:47 he did, however, do some talking with people. Oct 13 18:45:52 NYC is being cleared at 7 am tomorrow Oct 13 18:45:52 i heard saturday floating around last night onsite Oct 13 18:46:04 deinous: yea, that's what i mentioned to said reporter Oct 13 18:46:10 and he said it seems like it is not likely to happen Oct 13 18:46:14 friday? Oct 13 18:46:24 either way, nobody should be too scared. they'll give plenty of time for those who wish to leave to do so Oct 13 18:46:31 they don't want to have to deal with more resistance than they have to. Oct 13 18:46:35 I heared the BP is going to follow NY and do the same. Oct 13 18:46:38 * Tracy_camp has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 13 18:46:46 .. Oct 13 18:46:50 yes friday, they held an emergency meeting and are not leaving Oct 13 18:46:53 * OccupyBoston162 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 18:46:57 Makes me want to build a stockade and ring it with concertina wire, but tear gas would defeat even that Oct 13 18:47:05 * OccupyBoston788 (~OccupyBos@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:47:11 i doubt it will happen but every media outlet best be there as witness to the world Oct 13 18:47:14 How quickly can you guys pack up camp and move? Oct 13 18:47:14 OccupyBoston162: they would be very, very foolish to do so. but if they would like to escalate, we can play that game. Oct 13 18:47:32 * Tracy_camp (~nobody@79-51-85-808.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:47:45 freewill: it needn't be all that quick. they give us time to get out if need be, for all but some of the really big stuff, such as the refridgerator. Oct 13 18:47:54 Boston loves to follow what ever NY does. Oct 13 18:47:54 i'm sure they'd rather us remove it than remove it themselves. Oct 13 18:48:01 however, don't expect the camp to just bow to their demands Oct 13 18:48:07 it's not the way things have been going Oct 13 18:48:13 and we have even more veterans out today than were there monday night Oct 13 18:48:27 at least twice as many Oct 13 18:48:37 flags and all Oct 13 18:48:38 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @nerdosyndical: Cops just arrested a guy for stepping off sidewalk @Occupy_Boston - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124615756561387520 Oct 13 18:48:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @Kevin_Bogart: ONE PERSON ARRESTED IN MARCH DOWN TOWN. COPS TOOM OUT BATONS AND ZIP TIES @Occupy_Boston #occupyBoston - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124615790451363840 Oct 13 18:48:54 OWC has requested everyone who can to come to the park by 6 am Oct 13 18:49:15 you mean OWS? Oct 13 18:49:30 6am that hard trains just start running around then. Oct 13 18:49:30 and wtf, they arrested a guy for stepping off the sidewalk? why the hell are they marching on the sidewalk? Oct 13 18:49:34 Yes Oct 13 18:49:39 * ross has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 13 18:49:40 heh, i'm sure that's what that guy was thinking too Oct 13 18:50:00 Let's put out a call for bicycle locks, padlocks, and chains. When/if they try to roust us, we can at least make it difficult Oct 13 18:50:04 last i checked though, jaywalking is a $1 ticket Oct 13 18:50:07 boston, are you at camp? Oct 13 18:50:08 trains start at 515am Oct 13 18:50:36 oh, btw, anyone with one of the OccupyBoston### names can change your name in the chat with /nick (no angle brackets) Oct 13 18:50:37 Civil Disobediance was just ceapened if jay walking counts Oct 13 18:51:04 krypto-chain lock yourselves to meminos bike rack gifts! Oct 13 18:51:11 if the cops are going to push an arrest for stepping off the sidewalk, they just cheapened their relationship with the DA. Oct 13 18:51:19 * Tracy_camp has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 13 18:51:20 because i'm sure the judges don't want to deal with jaywalking arraignments. Oct 13 18:51:31 lol... Oct 13 18:51:47 they are getting really good at making bad decisions Oct 13 18:51:52 it almost leads me to believe they're already on our side. Oct 13 18:51:54 * Tracy_camp (~nobody@79-51-85-808.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:51:54 ...almost... Oct 13 18:51:59 I have always hated the name of that crime - "Jaywalking" Oct 13 18:52:03 I wonder if you can request a trial by jury for jay walking Oct 13 18:52:08 haha, i can see why Jay_Guevara Oct 13 18:52:17 mojooccupy: lol, i would./ Oct 13 18:52:28 so would I Oct 13 18:52:28 * OccupyBoston706 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 18:52:47 also, even the unlawful assembly charges from tuesday...apparently there is precedent that those charges are only relevant when the police know of specific plans of violence Oct 13 18:53:04 You could brag to your cellies in Shirley Max..."Psst - what are you in for?" Oct 13 18:53:11 lacking those plans, the charges shouldn't stick for anyone who decides to challenge them. anyone here who that applies to should contact the ACLU and NLG to discuss your options. Oct 13 18:53:30 all that should really stick are trespassing charges. Oct 13 18:53:30 i would be surprised if those stuck...i imagine they will get dismissed at the court dates Oct 13 18:53:44 deinous: well, they dropped the charges to $50 tickets Oct 13 18:53:50 Does anyone know how many of the arrested have requested trial by jury? Oct 13 18:53:50 so most people probably won't even bother challenging Oct 13 18:53:58 exactly Oct 13 18:54:06 * occupunx has no idea about the numbers for trial by jury Oct 13 18:54:12 * OccupyBoston838 (~OccupyBos@qxsa-812-91-77-583.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:54:40 * OccupyBoston838 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 18:54:58 * leftyfb_ (~leftyfb@mvbuqv-825-891-892-230.mycingular.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:55:09 My roommate just got home from work and said he just say about 10-15 buses with a shitload of cops hanging around castle island here in southie! Oct 13 18:55:22 * calliope has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 18:55:23 oh, to anyone that is worried about this channel being monitored, I encourage you to check out www.torproject.org and learn how to anonymize your internet traffic. make sure to read the how to stuff though, as there are some important things to know about things you can do that will leak your identity Oct 13 18:55:35 hehe...sorry, just doing my cypherpunk duty. Oct 13 18:55:53 Be there soon Oct 13 18:55:58 haha Oct 13 18:56:00 Anything going on? Oct 13 18:56:07 also, anyone wishing to help the TOR project should consider running a relay or an exit node, as the more relays and such we have, the faster the anonymous network becomes. Oct 13 18:56:34 * OccupyBoston836 (~OccupyBos@x-21-615-98-789.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:56:39 a specific word of warning about using IRC over TOR...make sure to change your username and ircname to something that doesn't indicate you. Oct 13 18:57:05 .. Oct 13 18:57:11 * OccupyBoston788 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 18:57:12 though, even aliases in there, while they may tip the cops off, probably wouldn't be admissible as evidence tying you to your chatting in here. Oct 13 18:57:22 * OccupyBoston600 (~OccupyBos@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 18:57:46 occupunx: Indymedia anonymizes your host Oct 13 18:57:48 I operatre under the assumption that BPD or some other state agency is monitoring everything everybody says here and on the web site, and I also assume that they're working to identify eawhoever they can. So what? Let them. Just don't advocate breaking serious laws Oct 13 18:57:50 To anyone curious as to how some of the anonymous and lulzsec folks avoided being detectable, this is one of the main utilities people used. totally legal, even developed by the department of defense for the safety of US spies overseas Oct 13 18:57:59 Hopefully the cyber cops were lost due to gov't cutbacks Oct 13 18:58:03 My roommate just got home from work and said he just say about 10-15 buses with a shitload of cops hanging around castle island here in southie! Oct 13 18:58:07 leftyfb_well, that's handy. never hurts to have redundancy though. Oct 13 18:58:17 Someone boot 600 Oct 13 18:58:22 just in case somehow logs were seized, either from indymedia or their ISP Oct 13 18:58:26 or even YOUR isp. Oct 13 18:58:55 * OccupyBoston836 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 18:59:00 tor is kind of slow for browsing and other things, but it's sufficiently fast for IRc Oct 13 18:59:01 Any ops? Oct 13 18:59:18 hrm? Oct 13 18:59:20 My roommate just got home from work and said he just seen about 10-15 buses with a shitload of cops hanging around castle island here in southie! Oct 13 18:59:25 i2p can be used too Oct 13 18:59:54 deinous: good point. i2p is another one that gets less attention, but is very good. i've yet to analyze what the pros and cons of each are specifically Oct 13 18:59:58 * Tracy_camp has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 13 19:00:06 leftyfb_: ? Oct 13 19:00:07 it should be of course noted that you shouldn't consider either bulletproof against agencies such as the NSA Oct 13 19:00:09 @600 send us a pic. Oct 13 19:00:15 * OccupyBoston248 (~OccupyBos@83-86-719-93-soahmuh.b-ras4.chf.cork.eircom.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:00:19 they may not be breakable, or they may be. point is, don't piss off the NSA online. they'll probably find you. Oct 13 19:00:31 shit, even thinking bad thoughts about the NSA is probably not a good policy. Oct 13 19:00:32 lol Oct 13 19:00:40 Let's get conspiratorial for a few minutes. Who are the types behind 600 and similar bot shennanigans? Oct 13 19:00:51 Men in black Oct 13 19:00:57 lovecrime: Boot them please Oct 13 19:00:58 Jay_Guevara: um, trollish people like th3j3st3r? Oct 13 19:00:59 lol Oct 13 19:01:16 Think it's just trolls? Oct 13 19:01:19 * Tracy_camp (~nobody@79-51-85-808.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:01:20 boot whom, I was messing with my bootloader Oct 13 19:01:22 who have way too much time on their hands and opposition? Oct 13 19:01:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @SpencerCvngh: @Chase_Schaub I believe the 2M figure is made up, I would like an itemized list of expenses concerning #OccupyBoston - http://twitter.com/roguishknight/statuses/124620536721571840 Oct 13 19:01:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Kevin_Bogart: ONE PERSON ARRESTED IN MARCH DOWN TOWN. COPS TOOM OUT BATONS AND ZIP TIES @Occupy_Boston #occupyBoston - http://twitter.com/FiestyCharlie/statuses/124620548071358465 Oct 13 19:01:33 GA Oct 13 19:01:35 Jay_Guevara: idk. Oct 13 19:01:43 Tracy_camp: any idea if it's being livestreamed? Oct 13 19:01:47 ah, whatever, i'll go find out myself Oct 13 19:01:53 occupunx: yeah its been a while since ive looked at them in any depth myself...i2p tends to be popular among europeans Oct 13 19:01:57 Rumor is Boston is going to clear boston camp at the same time NY does. Oct 13 19:02:14 yea...that's a rumor i've only heard recently. we'll see Oct 13 19:02:14 * netop has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 19:02:22 i wouldn't worry about it. we'll regroup. Oct 13 19:02:22 * OccupyBoston649 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 19:02:22 lovecrime: OccupyBoston600 Oct 13 19:02:34 anyone who can and is willing to be down there for it, of course, should be Oct 13 19:02:39 * lovecrime has kicked OccupyBoston600 from #occupyboston (are you a bot?) Oct 13 19:02:41 but otherwise, we aren't going anywhere. Oct 13 19:02:47 You're talking to a bot, punx Oct 13 19:02:49 @600 is that a rumor you are starting or one your spreading? Oct 13 19:02:51 * Tracy_camp (~nobody@79-51-85-808.pools.spcsdns.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 13 19:02:52 * Sigmoid (~brandon@y-95-15-103-59.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:02:53 ahh Oct 13 19:02:58 oh, hmm Oct 13 19:02:58 * lovecrime sets ban on OccupyBoston600!*@* Oct 13 19:03:10 * OccupyBoston409 (~OccupyBos@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:03:11 He's done this before Oct 13 19:03:15 in that case, it could very well be a bot placed by the police. could be trolls though. they're essentially the same thing Oct 13 19:03:20 yeah, sorry. I'll get it next time Oct 13 19:03:22 thank you Oct 13 19:03:29 * Tracy_camp (~nobody@79-51-85-808.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:03:35 lovecrime: hmm, that was a pretty weak ban Oct 13 19:03:38 * lovecrime removes ban on OccupyBoston600!*@* Oct 13 19:03:43 Kick him please Oct 13 19:03:48 yeah, I kicked before I banned. bad thinking Oct 13 19:03:52 you may want to consider a hostmask ban, though i'd try to be sure it's not a tor exit node before doing so Oct 13 19:03:59 GA Oct 13 19:04:05 i had that happen to me in #occupywallstreet because of someone else using the same exit node Oct 13 19:04:26 how wet is it down there? Oct 13 19:04:37 not too wet Oct 13 19:04:42 occupyboston409: it wasn't too bad when i was there earlier Oct 13 19:04:48 * lovecrime sets ban on *!*@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net Oct 13 19:04:49 * OccupyBoston893 (~OccupyBos@chxek-wma-ih38.proxy.aol.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:05:15 * lovecrime sets ban on *!*OccupyBos@*.hsd7.ma.comcast.net Oct 13 19:05:20 * jack (~jack@sbvl-291-893-45-14.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:05:22 * jack has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 19:05:48 dude, hsd7 is NOT a very specific ban Oct 13 19:06:18 yea, i'd undo that one Oct 13 19:06:20 that's like, a whole city Oct 13 19:06:24 that blocks a whole section of hosts Oct 13 19:06:25 * Kizniche (~kn@c-92-687-68-08.hsd8.ga.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:06:28 * lovecrime removes ban on *!*@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net Oct 13 19:06:38 * OccupyBoston409 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 19:06:44 * OccupyBoston950 (~OccupyBos@t-35-827-345-98.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:06:48 f'ing GUI Oct 13 19:06:50 heh, and on that note, welcome to the world of being an irc channel operator Oct 13 19:06:55 oh, okay, gui problems Oct 13 19:06:58 lol, I've been an op for years Oct 13 19:07:01 * OccupyBoston950 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 19:07:05 I'm just using a GUI because I'm hungry and tired Oct 13 19:07:09 * fightthepower (~fightthep@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:07:14 i'd advise making an alias to a ban script Oct 13 19:07:31 so you can just /x or something along those lines Oct 13 19:07:38 * lovecrime sets ban on *!*@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net Oct 13 19:07:41 there. Oct 13 19:07:44 * Sigmoid (~brandon@y-95-15-103-59.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 13 19:07:45 nice and specific Oct 13 19:07:46 though that may be moderately more complicated than using your gui Oct 13 19:08:03 * lovecrime removes ban on *!*@hsd7.ma.comcast.net Oct 13 19:08:29 * Sasso is now known as Ron Oct 13 19:08:56 * OccupyBoston591 (~OccupyBos@q-11-327-75-36.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:09:08 * OccupyBoston591 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 19:09:16 * cp524 (~cp524@q-11-327-75-36.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:09:20 hello? Oct 13 19:09:33 GA about to start Oct 13 19:09:39 hello cp524 Oct 13 19:09:44 How many are on site rt now? Oct 13 19:09:52 * User has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 13 19:09:55 * mvN900 (~mvN900@f607314w3.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:10:01 Site Oct 13 19:10:27 tracy_cam where are you? Oct 13 19:11:29 * mvN900 is now known as marxistvegan_camp Oct 13 19:11:44 See ya ltr Oct 13 19:11:56 * mojooccupy has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 19:12:00 anyone at camp care to ask media if they could get the livestream for GA going? Oct 13 19:12:08 it's currently offline Oct 13 19:12:24 i kind of want to know how the shopping trip proposal pans out asap. Oct 13 19:13:10 ...and you'll understand what i'm talking about when it comes up, assuming the guy follows through on it as expected. Oct 13 19:13:38 * Tracy_camp (~nobody@79-51-85-808.pools.spcsdns.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 13 19:13:47 * OccupyBoston425 (~OccupyBos@b-57-933-46-146.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:14:27 * marxistvegan_camp has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 19:14:45 * Tracy_camp (~yaaic@79-51-85-808.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:14:45 * OccupyBoston893 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 19:15:01 * OccupyBoston925 (~OccupyBos@bkpb-29-6n-2l-6-24-c9.cpe.beld.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:15:35 * OccupyBoston925 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 19:15:49 * fightthepower has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 19:15:54 does anyone know anything about volunteering? Oct 13 19:16:28 * leftyfb_ has quit (Quit: leftyfb_) Oct 13 19:18:17 * cp524 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 19:18:53 um...well, i would have answered that question Oct 13 19:19:01 best usually to stay in the room when you ask a question. Oct 13 19:19:12 just kind of a pointer for the rest of y'all ;-) Oct 13 19:19:30 * OccupyBoston248 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 19:19:37 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @Mycotoxicjoy: .@Occupy_Boston please RT We need to help @OccupyWallSt and call the city of New York (212)-NEW-YORK telling them to l ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124625010236207104 Oct 13 19:20:19 * yman is now known as nO_ob Oct 13 19:21:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] ourselves in check, but we also end up with products better serving our interests. (2/2) #ows #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/danthedan/statuses/124625606431354881 Oct 13 19:21:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @danthedan: ourselves in check, but we also end up with products better serving our interests. (2/2) #ows #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/OccupyBostonBot/statuses/124625623007244288 Oct 13 19:21:27 * OccupyBoston190 (~OccupyBos@bkpb-29-6n-2l-6-24-c9.cpe.beld.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:21:34 * OccupyBoston024 (~OccupyBos@k-04-491-59-969.hsd9.vt.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:21:58 * OccupyBoston024 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 19:22:19 * OccupyBoston190 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 19:24:00 * Ron is now known as Sasso Oct 13 19:24:22 * OccupyBoston234 (~OccupyBos@173.252.shj.j) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:27:40 * Wuzzy has quit (Quit: Verlassend) Oct 13 19:28:14 * OccupyBoston284 (~OccupyBos@s-883-89-84-09.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:28:59 * OccupyBoston284 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 19:29:26 * OccupyBoston234 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 19:29:38 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @OccupyDallas following - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124625608536891392 Oct 13 19:29:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @Occupy_USA: Houston: Police are attempting to evict us. Get here NOW. Get everyone you know here NOW. http://t.co/V1ShWdhx #usrevolution - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124626473008111617 Oct 13 19:29:40 * brl (~brl@xjejazyr.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:29:49 * OccupyBoston793 (~OccupyBos@wjqb-505-1-811-336.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:30:55 * OccupyBoston427 (~OccupyBos@020-09-381-01-xjrrogzrrf.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:31:27 * brl has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 19:32:38 * OccupyBoston793 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 19:32:48 * OccupyBoston126 (~OccupyBos@wjqb-505-1-811-336.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:32:57 My name is Chief Tom Dostou of the wabanaki/Algonquin peoples. I was born in Fall River, Ma on May 16 , 1944.. We are keepers of the Seven Fires Prophecy wampum Belt, the 1797 Jay Treaty Belt and the 1701 Friendship Treat Belt Oct 13 19:34:39 How do we the Indigenous Peoples work with you all? Oct 13 19:34:50 * Houndish (~Houndish@uksf-73-076-021-71.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:35:20 are you have persons speak spanish I want join with you ? Oct 13 19:35:52 * Houndish2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 19:35:55 * TheRavenProject|Away is now known as TheRavenProject Oct 13 19:36:07 .... Oct 13 19:36:09 Hello Chief Tom Dostou Oct 13 19:36:14 Trace that IP. I'm curious if it's Nigerian. Oct 13 19:36:29 Hmm, nope. Oct 13 19:36:42 I speak Algonquin/French/English et Espanol (poquito) Oct 13 19:36:44 it's Comcast Business Oct 13 19:36:50 they don't have Comcast in Nigeria Oct 13 19:36:55 * TheRavenProject nods * Oct 13 19:36:59 That's why I backed off. :) Oct 13 19:37:01 :P Oct 13 19:37:37 Freewill, how are you all doing?? Oct 13 19:37:54 fine 427 and you? Oct 13 19:38:21 Just never heard someone come in and so openly declare their identity. Especially somewhere like here. Oct 13 19:38:59 * Sasso is now known as Ron Oct 13 19:39:14 * Tracy_camp has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 13 19:39:33 I am a Native Elder and am not ashamed of who and what I stand for. My people have always stood for our lands and what the Creator has entrusted us to do.. Oct 13 19:39:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Musical performances tonight and tomorrow are cancelled due to rain. Sorry guys. :( - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124628007712333824 Oct 13 19:39:55 I want do somethin good,I will be there tomorrow at afternoon Oct 13 19:40:23 * mojooccupy (~mojooccup@x-69-240-681-210.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:40:29 welcome 126 Oct 13 19:40:45 Then I admire your dedication and your pride, OccupyBoston427. Oct 13 19:41:10 http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-waiting-for-protesters-to-clearly-articulat,26353/ Oct 13 19:41:17 truest media account of this yet. Oct 13 19:41:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @OccupyPics: Photo: 001p: antighostfreq posted a photo: http://t.co/sI5rSgJi #occupyBoston #ows - http://twitter.com/OccupyBostonBot/statuses/124630553059262464 Oct 13 19:41:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @OccupyCambridge: 1030-12 noon tomorrow kids from The Kingston School will be visiting #occupyboston camp - http://twitter.com/TomJoadsGhost/statuses/124630566476849152 Oct 13 19:41:28 as always, from The Onion Oct 13 19:41:45 "artists use lies to tell the truth" Oct 13 19:41:50 * OccupyBostopoil (~OccupyBos@v-883-84-121-2.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:41:58 * lovecrime has changed the topic to: IRC channel for #occupyboston || DEFEND #OWS sign this petition to Mayor Bloomberg BY MIDNIGHT 10/13 http://pccc.me/p8Ft26 || occupyboston.com | livestream.com/occupyboston | "Remember that justice and the struggle for justice is what love looks like in public" -- Dr. Cornel West, speaking at OB || Disclaimer: this is a peaceful, relatively unmoderated forum. Opinons expressed are not en Oct 13 19:42:27 For us Pride is not a good thing because it blinds us by ego and by false delusions.. We believe that humility is a great teacher such a Ghandi showed us or Martin Luther King Oct 13 19:42:58 hey, petitions are not exactly the most powerful form of protest, but please sign this petition to Mayor Bloomberg http://pccc.me/p8Ft26 Oct 13 19:43:06 * OccupyBostopoil has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 19:43:11 * mvN900 (~mvN900@kl88338a9.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:43:14 lovecrime: You know you hit the char limit there, right? Oct 13 19:43:28 damn Oct 13 19:43:35 I would like to see share information in spanish too. Oct 13 19:43:37 :-) Oct 13 19:43:37 I'm going to assume that "us" is using the anarchist "we"...for me, pride has its extremes, but a human without pride of any sort is a sad thing indeed. Oct 13 19:43:41 sorry, I'm all anxious tonight. I've had a full pot of coffee and a monster. Oct 13 19:43:47 lovecrime: >.< Oct 13 19:43:48 Understandable. Oct 13 19:43:50 lovecrime: don't do that to yourself :/ Oct 13 19:43:50 yell? Oct 13 19:43:58 we are working it 126 Oct 13 19:44:25 ttuttle|offsite: welcome to social services. We go to graduate school to make half the money we made in college and destroy our bodies trying to do something we believe in. Oct 13 19:44:33 :[ Oct 13 19:44:37 lovecrime: Are you on site? Oct 13 19:44:40 that's good. Oct 13 19:45:19 I used to make twice as much in research IT as I do now, post Masters. Oct 13 19:45:38 Our chief Weetamoe from Fall River in 1675 was accussed of being too "prideful" by the English colonizers and she was eventually hunted down.she drowned in the taunton River where they found her body and cut her head off and her breasts Oct 13 19:45:39 TheRavenProject: no, I'm at my apartment right now Oct 13 19:45:45 today was a crazy day Oct 13 19:46:16 * lovecrime has changed the topic to: IRC channel for #occupyboston || DEFEND #OWS sign this petition to Mayor Bloomberg BY MIDNIGHT 10/13 http://pccc.me/p8Ft26 || occupyboston.com | livestream.com/occupyboston | "Remember that justice and the struggle for justice is what love looks like in public" -- Dr. Cornel West, speaking at OB || Disclaimer: this is a peaceful forum. Opinons expressed are not endorsed by OB. Oct 13 19:46:55 BOOM. just under the CHAR limit Oct 13 19:47:40 * Tracy_camp (~yaaic@79-51-85-808.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:47:55 Well done. :-) Oct 13 19:48:08 * OccupyBoston126 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 19:48:40 * Tracy_camp has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 19:49:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @gvmiii: NYPD would do well to learn the lesson of Boston that dead of night forcible evictions only grow and strengthen the Occupy p ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124632554262364160 Oct 13 19:49:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @UncleRUSH: Dear @MikeBloomberg pls do not throw out protesters at Zuccotti Park. I will pay for clean-up to avoid confrontation #OWS - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124632736282591233 Oct 13 19:49:56 leftyfb is in the mediatent need help where is the kilowatt is jimmy or cyrus here Oct 13 19:51:36 * OccupyBoston629 (~OccupyBos@s-30-85-164-789.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:51:53 My Nation , the Algonquin Peoples homeland is the whole eastern coast of Turtle Island"America" and manhatten is part of it. We give you all permission to live there under our rights spelled out by the United nations Declarations of Indigenous Peoples . Oct 13 19:52:04 * OccupyBoston629 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 19:53:10 * PseudoMe02 (~PseudoMe0@198.144.gzk.jiw) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:53:24 Chief please call Mayor Bloomberg and express that to him. That would be a great help. Oct 13 19:54:25 * mvN900 (~mvN900@kl88338a9.tmodns.net) has left #occupyboston (Leaving) Oct 13 19:54:50 * Tracy_camp (~yaaic@79-51-85-808.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:54:55 Hi Oct 13 19:55:15 Hi back at ya :) Oct 13 19:55:58 We the Algonquin Nation of North America demand the the "illegal aliens" who came to our shores back in 1618-1620 be arrested and deported back to Europe to the plance of their origin and that their bank accounts be frozen until an international tribunal be convened to decide what is to be done with their monies accumulated by genocide, theft and slavery Oct 13 19:56:03 * separation (~separatio@fbvl-075-83-98-04.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:56:28 * bennett312 (~bennett31@b-90-453-475-34.hsd4.il.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 19:56:39 hello? Oct 13 19:56:45 Gen, did you go the the mindfulness class? Oct 13 19:57:49 do you guys have any demands yet? im part of occupi chi, and im trying to get comm going between cities Oct 13 19:58:07 the Algonquin demand is good ... but a bit broad ...maybe compensation should be asked of the 1% Oct 13 19:58:48 well can you explain to me in detail what it is? or give me the statement its self so i can send it to the comitties in chi Oct 13 19:59:09 For me this whole thing is about the fact that we were born with certain unailienable rights and that among them are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness. But under the conditions in which we currently live they are a fallacy, they are only true for the 1%. If two people become seriously ill who has a better right to Life someone making thirty thousand a year or someone making a million. If two people are unjustly a Oct 13 19:59:36 * Tracy_camp has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 13 19:59:37 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @MotherJones: Here's the eviction notice given to #ows protesters in Zuccotti Park: http://t.co/tzhF1Ojz - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124633107050659840 Oct 13 19:59:53 separation of corporation and state Oct 13 20:00:02 sums it up pretty well I think Oct 13 20:00:15 kk will do Oct 13 20:00:42 We, the Algonquin People are only asking for the colonizers who are continuing the process of enslavement and genocide to be held accountable, not the 99% of the rest of us who are suffering on a daily basis. Oct 13 20:01:16 * mvN900 (~mvN900@kl88338a9.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:01:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Photo: Flag and the Fed at Dewey Square by kwswanson http://t.co/LgBZWIvu #occupyBoston #gp #p2 #tcot #ows - http://twitter.com/OccupyPics/statuses/124635493064376320 Oct 13 20:01:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Photo: If Bank of America is a person, arrest him http://t.co/9mLyfVfU #occupyBoston #gp #p2 #tcot #ows - http://twitter.com/OccupyPics/statuses/124635695104004097 Oct 13 20:01:28 that sounds a bit more focused and non devisive Oct 13 20:01:58 kk Oct 13 20:01:59 * mvN900 is now known as marxistvegan|camp Oct 13 20:02:13 PseudoMe02 are at occupyboston? Oct 13 20:02:33 no....got waylayed here on South Mass Oct 13 20:02:44 we have always sought out allies and relations.. Truth, Justice, Reconciliation and Peace. Oct 13 20:02:51 PseudoMe02 oh ok Oct 13 20:02:53 I'm super down about not being on site Oct 13 20:03:10 PseudoMe02 there is always another day Oct 13 20:03:24 I worked today on moving Occupy Fall River forward some Oct 13 20:03:24 About allies. We need to get the Nation of Islam down here Oct 13 20:03:39 PseudoMe02 that is important Oct 13 20:03:47 * bonnie (~bonnie@63.193.ij.tkw) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:03:54 Chief Tom Dostou - Has your petition been presented to the UN yet? Oct 13 20:03:56 do you guys have any idea on how to combat the cold weather threw the protest? Oct 13 20:04:08 I've got someone (hopefully) coming in to watch my apartment and animals so I can be up Saturday and Sunday Oct 13 20:04:13 How about some bikers, maybe? Or the Teamsters. We need people with balls Oct 13 20:04:15 make heap big fire Oct 13 20:04:16 No . Oct 13 20:04:22 * Tracy_camp (~yaaic@79-51-85-808.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:04:31 As ffor cold weather, the easiest way is a tent inside a tent Oct 13 20:04:41 Hi Oct 13 20:04:47 the inner tent stays toasty Oct 13 20:04:50 cause all be got are side walks up here in chi, and the winter some times gets down to -40 Oct 13 20:04:56 but it takes up space Oct 13 20:05:02 * OccupyBoston789 (~OccupyBos@tff-84e96580.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:05:11 I enjoy the chat immensely but feel unable to provide more effective input Oct 13 20:05:19 as far as i know were not allowed to set up tents Oct 13 20:05:25 The UN is fearful that the US and Canada would punish it for being too out frount for our peoples. Oct 13 20:05:32 Hello Oct 13 20:05:39 If we could get a big function tent and pitch smaller ones inside it would be optimal Oct 13 20:05:42 Hi Tracy Oct 13 20:05:56 just net work, let me know if you guys have any concerns, or need support from chi we got your back Oct 13 20:06:02 Glad to see you again Marxist Oct 13 20:06:02 * OccupyBoston850 (~OccupyBos@w-02-271-245-78.hsd6.ct.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:06:12 Hang tough, chi! Oct 13 20:06:21 * OccupyBoston850 (~OccupyBos@w-02-271-245-78.hsd6.ct.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 13 20:06:56 yuuup Oct 13 20:06:59 * OccupyBoston789 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 20:07:05 Holy crap! Oct 13 20:07:13 Have y'all seen pictures of DC? Oct 13 20:07:15 All the tents? Oct 13 20:07:17 no Oct 13 20:07:20 no Oct 13 20:07:22 link? Oct 13 20:07:32 http://cdn-media.nationaljournal.com/?controllerName=image&action=get&id=12265&format=mGallery Oct 13 20:07:52 * axb21 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 20:07:53 a medical tent and a portapoty would be nice, maybe you guys can find some way to put presure on Oct 13 20:07:57 Rahm Emanuel Oct 13 20:08:11 * OccupyBoston048 (~OccupyBos@720-1-20-890.c9-5.nat-ubr8.sbo-nat.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:08:19 there a stream open? Oct 13 20:08:23 Red line is awful Oct 13 20:08:24 hes the mayor, the cops are chill with us but hes trying to dick us as hard as he can, and bust up all the unions here Oct 13 20:08:39 http://occupystreams.org/ Oct 13 20:09:24 OB is not streaming that sucks Oct 13 20:09:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @radleft: @Occupy_Boston @OccupyHouston Call @houstonpolice, Tell Them HANDS OFF the 99%! Some HPD #s: 713-308-0040, 713-308-1600, 7 ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124637590296072193 Oct 13 20:09:39 i won't be on site until tomorrow afternoon Oct 13 20:09:56 we're contemplating adaptive strategies of protest to adjust to weather problems and laws ..here in SouthEastern Mass Oct 13 20:09:59 so what ever happend with the cops that raided u guys a couple days ago? Oct 13 20:10:41 * OccupyBoston191 (~OccupyBos@whmg-53-218-872-721.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:11:28 , nice, were thinking about maybe tarps cluster fucking and hot soup in igloo coolers rapped in stirafoam Oct 13 20:11:28 * OccupyBoston191 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 20:11:58 bennet312: what on earth did that mean? Oct 13 20:12:08 oh Occupy DC has a stream going Oct 13 20:12:33 Bennet is brainstorming on how to keep warm in winter Oct 13 20:12:35 anyone there at camp know if the shopping trip to the prudential proposal has been brought up yet? Oct 13 20:12:43 in Vietnam ...there was this "Ghost Batalion" which was incredibly successful against superior American forces Oct 13 20:12:50 primative way of trying to keep warm huddle together and eat hot soupe Oct 13 20:12:52 * Tracy_camp has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 20:13:03 Tracy_camp where are you? Oct 13 20:13:08 chicago Oct 13 20:13:15 What are y'all going to do in Dewey when Winter picks up? Oct 13 20:13:39 im gonna google some shit, n figure out some stuff Oct 13 20:13:40 TheRavenProject: i know some intend to stay. Boston winter's are cold, but i know personally, I've lived outside in the winter through them Oct 13 20:13:40 Until there is Justice for us "Indians" there can be no justice for everyone else. Oct 13 20:13:45 * Manitcor (~Manitcor@173.76.hzl.ji) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:13:51 it only drops to like, -5 at worst Oct 13 20:13:57 usually a 0 degree sleeping bag is enough Oct 13 20:13:57 If its like last winter we can make igloos Oct 13 20:14:12 but ideally, a military cold weather bag for every person would rule. Oct 13 20:14:15 they used adaptive guerilla tactics ... they were farmers during the day and only formed at night to strike ....then they disappeared Oct 13 20:14:19 y'all would all be nice and cozy Oct 13 20:14:19 Mayor cant ban snow Oct 13 20:14:19 LOL Mojo Oct 13 20:14:22 it gets as low as -40 in chi Oct 13 20:14:23 we live in "Longhouses" Oct 13 20:14:26 if we had infinite power, electric heaters would work Oct 13 20:14:37 until the next time they were "needed" to strike Oct 13 20:14:46 Like you know how to farm Oct 13 20:14:53 * TheRavenProject snerks at the thought of 100+ people huddling together for body heat. XD Oct 13 20:15:01 * bonnie has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 20:15:06 TheRavenProject: oh, that's the other method. orgies. Oct 13 20:15:09 XD Oct 13 20:15:09 Indian peoples could supply wood for firepalces and wood stoves Oct 13 20:15:10 * Caper (~Caper@d-57-43-576-75.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:15:12 nice and warm Oct 13 20:15:13 aparently youv never had to do it Oct 13 20:15:13 I wasn't going to say it. Oct 13 20:15:16 You said it for me. Oct 13 20:15:21 I tried to loan my generator, turns out not allowed Oct 13 20:15:23 heh, i'm good like that sometimes Oct 13 20:15:25 * TheRavenProject was raised in Texas, bennett312 Oct 13 20:15:32 Manitcor: yea. we do have pedal powered generators there now though Oct 13 20:15:36 in the media tent Oct 13 20:15:43 and volunteers always looked for to do a shift pedaling Oct 13 20:15:45 * JessyDrastic has quit (Quit: JessyDrastic) Oct 13 20:15:48 hitting the store tonight though, is there anything you guys need thats not on the daily needs list? Oct 13 20:16:02 Speaking of store, I need to go to Walmart and get a sleeping back. Oct 13 20:16:04 *bag Oct 13 20:16:07 what is raven project? Oct 13 20:16:09 if there is parking close by you can put an inverter in a car for power Oct 13 20:16:09 * OccupyBoston427 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 20:16:19 * Caper (~Caper@d-57-43-576-75.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 13 20:16:23 do more people stay overnights on the weekends? where do they sleep Oct 13 20:16:26 The Raven Project? It's me. Oct 13 20:16:27 TheRavenProject: idk what kind of money you're looking to spend on that, but the military surplus store would get you a -40 bag for $100 Oct 13 20:16:47 i doubt you'll find a civilian bag nearly that cheap for that cold weather. Oct 13 20:16:48 Walmart - $28. I know, it's a bad source. But it's all I can do right now and I don't have a lot of money. Oct 13 20:16:56 * Tracy_camp (~yaaic@79-51-85-808.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:16:58 sometimes the best way to solve a problem is simply eliminate it as a problem... Oct 13 20:17:00 they also are inner/outer bag systems, so they serve as two bags until real cold hits Oct 13 20:17:07 ag you'll have heat stroke by morning Oct 13 20:17:09 TheRavenProject: ahh, in that case, do what you can, and thank you Oct 13 20:17:13 * TheRavenProject nods * Oct 13 20:17:18 what you want are mylar emergency sleeping bags Oct 13 20:17:21 Tracy_camp are you at the camp? Oct 13 20:17:26 you can get them from $3-$10 Oct 13 20:17:29 mojooccupy: that's why you take the outer bag off Oct 13 20:17:37 and give it to someone else to sleep in Oct 13 20:17:55 i used to have one, and i could always sleep me +1 that way, back when i was homeless. Oct 13 20:17:58 I hated those things , prefer the wool blankets Oct 13 20:18:12 * TheRavenProject (~ren@tjz-426-668-445-486.sc.res.rr.com) has left #occupyboston (Leaving) Oct 13 20:18:18 heh, god, i really need to change my nick and ip...i've given my identity out so hard to anyone really interested in this channel Oct 13 20:18:21 * TheRavenProject (~ren@tjz-426-668-445-486.sc.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:18:24 Bah. Oct 13 20:18:39 Son of a b*tch, lost my op. Oh well. :P Oct 13 20:18:44 oh well, i guess tor at least gives me plausible deniability :-P Oct 13 20:19:00 It wasn't me! It was... that guy! Oct 13 20:19:08 that, and i haven't done anything illegal. not like i'm anonymous at the camp in person Oct 13 20:19:11 Oliver North must have used tor also Oct 13 20:19:12 do you guys need any support from chi? Oct 13 20:19:26 Marxist, I just left. I missed you :( Oct 13 20:19:35 Where were you? Oct 13 20:19:46 * PseudoMe02 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 20:19:47 i'm just a little interested in staying a little off of national radar...who knows, i already could be on a no fly list though, just for my association with some interests. I've heard of it happening to food not bombs folks. Oct 13 20:19:51 over by mediatent Oct 13 20:19:52 Bennet send real pizza Oct 13 20:20:06 * OccupyBoston248 (~OccupyBos@f-07-988-804-387.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:20:06 lol amen Oct 13 20:20:12 il tell them Oct 13 20:20:17 i think one thing people should get i swim goggles. just a cheap pair, but one that is tight and seals well around the eyes Oct 13 20:20:23 does anyone know if volunteers are still needed in the food tent? Oct 13 20:20:25 keep your vision in case of tear gas/pepper spray Oct 13 20:20:30 * PseudoMe02 (~PseudoMe0@198.144.gzk.jiw) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:20:31 occupyboston248: always. Oct 13 20:20:36 that, and for dishwashing Oct 13 20:20:44 they work pretty much around the clock Oct 13 20:20:50 tear gas burns the nose and throat Oct 13 20:20:51 i was there on tuesday for 7 hours and we were in pretty good shape. i was hopeful the rain didn't keep people away Oct 13 20:20:53 so anyone getting a break for an hour or so is welcome Oct 13 20:20:56 ok awesome Oct 13 20:20:59 eyesight won't be much help when you're writhing in pain Oct 13 20:21:04 i will come tomorrow then Oct 13 20:21:17 i'm sure they'll find something for you to do if you ask for it Oct 13 20:21:25 good people over there Oct 13 20:21:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] If Boston has 2 cutback emergencyservices & layoff workers its ok with #OWS because sacrifices have to be made for the "cause" #OccupyBoston - http://twitter.com/DevineJim/statuses/124640683557535744 Oct 13 20:21:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] And fighting for it. #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/kade_ellis/statuses/124640756265787392 Oct 13 20:21:28 Do the cops use pepper spray or riot gas Oct 13 20:21:29 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Concert: Jeff Rowe - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=MDNjMzAxaDRqcjRocDd0NGI3NDk0YjcyZDggOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 13 20:21:31 they need hot water fetchers often for dishwashing Oct 13 20:21:38 other water fetchers in general Oct 13 20:21:43 food servers, and dishwashers Oct 13 20:21:46 god i wish other people used colors i cant keep up -_- Oct 13 20:21:48 it's a fairly big operation Oct 13 20:21:48 do you have the list of specific items they need food wise? Oct 13 20:22:04 occupyboston248: i can see if i can dig one up Oct 13 20:22:14 ok good. i can try to get some of the items Oct 13 20:22:15 Marxist, I was right near there. What are you wearing? Black hat? Oct 13 20:22:41 still need prepared food? Oct 13 20:22:46 I kept checking if you were on. Oct 13 20:22:49 nope blue sweatshirt Oct 13 20:22:50 * rcassidy (~rcassidy@p-452-40-530-519.hsd4.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:22:55 If anyone does get gassed do not use hot water to wash off! Oct 13 20:23:08 Grayish pants, thin? Oct 13 20:23:14 when was the last police action/involvement in tent area? have there been issues Oct 13 20:23:17 occupyboston248: i would imagine it's always welcome, but i guess if they have a ton and it's not perishable, i can't be sure. still looking Oct 13 20:23:18 * OccupyBoston922 (~OccupyBos@i-69-79-911-431.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:23:22 * Shidash has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 20:23:23 ok Oct 13 20:23:34 occupyboston248: nothing since the big incident in the camp Oct 13 20:23:34 * OccupyBoston922 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 20:23:41 one protester arrested today during a march for stepping off the curb into the road Oct 13 20:23:49 ok Oct 13 20:24:02 i assume jaywalking...which is a $1 fine. i'm waiting to hear about a judget bitch-slapping the cop for bringing the person in. Oct 13 20:24:03 did the bike generator idea ever take off? Oct 13 20:24:07 yep Oct 13 20:24:09 they're in use in media Oct 13 20:24:20 i stopped by earlier Oct 13 20:24:20 incredible. i love it Oct 13 20:24:28 question, what does the media tent do Oct 13 20:24:35 who am i speaking with, by the way? so i can come say hello if you are there tomorrow Oct 13 20:24:40 i am sybil Oct 13 20:24:49 * Ron is now known as Sasso Oct 13 20:24:50 worked in food tent on tuesday...so if you ate, i probably fed you Oct 13 20:25:17 Marxist, I saw a thin guy with a blue sweatshirt and faded jeans? Oct 13 20:25:30 hey guys ima go check out other chats,, i may or may not be back, if u have any thing you would like to comunicate to occupychi hit me up on fb bennett61606@yahoo.com Oct 13 20:25:40 nice...i don't think i did, because i bought 5 bags of snickers for jail solidarity, and then people only ate 2 or 3 bags Oct 13 20:25:42 so i ate way too many snickers. Oct 13 20:25:45 looks like the opposition is attempting to put together a group which will be used to create violence against the movement ...the 53%ers Oct 13 20:25:49 but thanks either way! Oct 13 20:25:49 Some guy just offered to pay for all clean up at OWS site to keep trouble from happening Oct 13 20:25:55 haha Oct 13 20:26:01 never too many snickers Oct 13 20:26:18 * OccupyBoston966 (~OccupyBos@n-40-118-65-33.hsd3.nh.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:26:19 mojooccupy: yea, that's been getting brought up a bit. i doubt it'll help, but it will at least make bloomberg more clearly the asshole in the situation. Oct 13 20:26:44 well, if you would like to pass along the message to dan at the food tent that sybil can come volunteer to serve food tomorrow at 3:00, it would be greatly appreciated. i just dont want to show up without a job to do. i like to keep busy Oct 13 20:26:45 he'll probably mutter something about their not being experts enough or something of the sort. Oct 13 20:26:51 right wing lackies ... more than likely ...financed by the 1% I suspect Oct 13 20:27:04 Be back in.a few Oct 13 20:27:06 well, i'm not there right now, but hopefully someone in here will do that Oct 13 20:27:06 * Tracy_camp has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 13 20:27:09 Bloomberg wont get layed if he sends cops in Oct 13 20:27:16 i wish we had people transcribing the GA speeches Oct 13 20:27:22 ok. much appreciated. thanks, good luck, stay safe, and have a great night Oct 13 20:27:32 certainly Oct 13 20:27:35 * OccupyBoston248 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 20:27:35 will probably employ confrontational tactics to created chaos and fear Oct 13 20:27:39 separation: i just wish we had them livestreamed first Oct 13 20:27:48 and someone doing a stream capture Oct 13 20:27:55 then transcription would be very easy Oct 13 20:27:59 kind of hard in realtime Oct 13 20:28:02 * deviousdragen (~deviousdr@gjyojh-320-891-390-811.mycingular.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:28:14 though the people's mic does make it a little easier Oct 13 20:28:44 you can send five dollars to the bBoston PD for copies Oct 13 20:29:19 * wfm (~wfm@656-5-67-771.c5-4.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:29:24 * MediaTent (~MediaTent@50.12.rzo.ju) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:29:26 copies of what? the GA videos? Oct 13 20:29:27 heh, no thanks Oct 13 20:29:41 they've already taken enough of our money. Oct 13 20:29:44 * OccupyBoston048 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 20:30:06 We do not have a live stream up right now because of the rain and we will get up all the information we can as soon as we can Oct 13 20:30:08 i'll still leave room for individual cops being all right, but the whole department has made it's allegiance known. Oct 13 20:30:09 Transcription of livestream Oct 13 20:30:14 ahh, thanks mediatent Oct 13 20:30:24 i'm just trying to track the status of a specific proposal Oct 13 20:30:25 * chelle (~chelle@p-69-532-571-539.hsd7.wa.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:30:36 namely, the prudential shopping trip proposal Oct 13 20:31:04 * rcassidy has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 13 20:31:20 a friend of mine came up with it and i'm really eager to see it get pushed through Oct 13 20:32:33 Occupunx that sounds like a good ideal you can buy more snickers Oct 13 20:32:47 well transcription doesn't need to be done in real time, just have somebody get a video capture, upload it then transcribe it at your own pace Oct 13 20:32:50 * OccupyBoston557 (~OccupyBos@k-64-43-03-691.hsd0.nh.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:33:10 seriously I will be there all weekend so I want to march somewhere Oct 13 20:34:04 * OccupyBoston557 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 20:34:30 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Concert: Tubby Love - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=YmY2ZmJnZ2tjOW1oazQwZjZsdDBxanM1bmsgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 13 20:35:04 * giv has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 13 20:35:31 * OccupyBoston261 (~OccupyBos@v-19-20-811-03.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:35:56 mojooccupy: i think you may have gotten confused by mixing two things mentioned together. the shopping trip is intended to clog and shut down the mall Oct 13 20:36:18 it's more about "window shopping" than actual shopping, though actual shopping can be engaged in to avoid being thrown out for loitering Oct 13 20:36:26 * huxley (~hux@77-458-302-495.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:36:56 @anyone at the camp - I am about to head to the store for you guys, other than stuff on the daily list is there anything you need? Oct 13 20:37:06 meanwhile, tie up the store employees (FIGURATIVELY!) by asking dumb questions, etc, to keep sales to a minimum Oct 13 20:37:17 any one here in a commity or in contact with some one who is??? Oct 13 20:37:24 and, thanks to plainclothes, no signs or chants, we're indistinguishable from shoppers Oct 13 20:37:26 chi ould use a hand Oct 13 20:37:30 to clear us, the police need to shut the mall down Oct 13 20:37:43 I know just trying to throw in some humor....my humor often goes unrecognized Oct 13 20:37:50 heh, ahh, i see Oct 13 20:37:55 * OccupyBoston926 (~OccupyBos@bozo794-742-319-291.range556-059.btcentralplus.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:37:57 i probably would have gotten that if it wasn't text. Oct 13 20:38:52 * chelle has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 20:39:01 Too bad that doesn't explain it the rest of the time, lol Oct 13 20:39:02 * OccupyBoston926 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 20:39:10 the plan was already discussed among a lot of people by the friend of mine that came up with it, and so far has been met with plenty of approval. i think he also may have gone up to GA the other night to bring it up for discussion Oct 13 20:39:11 okie, Ill take that as a no, stuff off the list it is then Oct 13 20:39:13 * Sasso has quit () Oct 13 20:39:25 * lefty_meeting (~lefty_mee@120.sub-187-714-8.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:40:17 * Synthesis (~Synthesis@763-5-9-76-rku-gkmjdap.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:40:55 * Manitcor has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 20:41:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Photo: Liberty will not descend from on high to a people: captaintangent has... http://t.co/AoYIBOK5 #occupyBoston #gp #p2 #tcot #ows - http://twitter.com/OccupyPics/statuses/124645633675112448 Oct 13 20:41:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Arroyo: Cost of not supporting Occupy Boston could be greater than cost of policing it http://t.co/kJAQjIVB #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/universalhub/statuses/124645759554564096 Oct 13 20:42:22 * calliope (~calliecha@50.12.ujx.ujy) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:42:24 If calling from outside of Chicago, call: 312.744.5000 rahm emanuel is denying us with a place to go to the bathroom and an area to set up a medical tent, if you guys could call him and help get this resolved it would be great Oct 13 20:42:48 * leftyfb_meeting (~lefty_mee@120.sub-187-714-8.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:43:06 wb ...lefty Oct 13 20:43:07 * OccupyBoston703 (~OccupyBos@67.216.grz.ylm) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:43:11 hiya Oct 13 20:44:03 * OccupyBoston703 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 20:44:18 I just love the redial button Oct 13 20:44:24 * lefty_meeting has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 20:45:00 * OccupyBoston425 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 20:45:02 * bennett312 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 20:45:20 * leftyfb_meeting has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 20:45:24 * GeoBos (~geobos@v-45-93-566-044.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:45:31 * lefty_meeting (~lefty_mee@120.sub-187-714-8.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:45:47 * OccupyBoston966 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 20:46:36 * Synthesis has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 20:46:45 anyone still not at the tech meeting, we're in south station Oct 13 20:47:08 lovecrime: you ther? Oct 13 20:47:15 oh, is anyone at the camp in here? Oct 13 20:47:21 Chicago complaint line has same basic message as New Yorks, I find that really sad for some reason. Oct 13 20:47:38 occupunx: they're working on that Oct 13 20:47:48 right now the media/tech tent is a bit in shambles Oct 13 20:47:55 there is no livestream tonight Oct 13 20:48:03 * deviousdragen has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi) Oct 13 20:48:06 due to the mediea tent/ power issues Oct 13 20:48:07 i'd like to have someone bring up, when the shopping trip is proposed (assuming the guy who said he'd do it brings it up) that the method of arrival to the prudential building should be relatively sporadic, with some taking the T, some going by foot, and taking different routes Oct 13 20:48:14 i'm not worried about livestream currently Oct 13 20:48:20 just want to clarify the proposal Oct 13 20:51:35 First boston ga proposal ratified in solidarity in global movement attempting to set up live stream for individual staff Oct 13 20:51:47 * marxistvegan|camp has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 13 20:52:00 minutes for ga and full proposal will go up on wiki asap Oct 13 20:52:01 mediatent!!! Oct 13 20:52:06 good to see you here? Oct 13 20:52:34 mediatent: any luck finding killawatt? Oct 13 20:52:45 I have a proposal. I propose we adhere religiously to the principles of non-violence until somebody stupidly says, "Unnnhhh, now what is it you guys are protesting?" We should be allowed to punch that person in the mouth. Oct 13 20:52:47 No luck Oct 13 20:53:01 Were not worried about overloading the battery yet Oct 13 20:53:02 * PseudoMe02 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 20:53:33 * PseudoMe02 (~PseudoMe0@198.144.gzk.jiw) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:53:47 * Jay_Guevara has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 20:54:53 * PseudoMe02 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 20:55:26 * cck (~calliecha@50.12.ujx.ujy) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:55:37 * QUHZKS (~QUHZKS@y-61-822-740-7.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:55:41 * GeoBos has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi) Oct 13 20:55:57 * OccupyBoston390 (~OccupyBos@i79-48-903-418.kgldga.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:55:57 will they allow solar panels? Oct 13 20:56:13 Where? Oct 13 20:56:24 mojooccupy: we have one Oct 13 20:56:48 In the park it wouldnt take many to run compiters Oct 13 20:56:49 who here was at the general assembly? Oct 13 20:57:03 mojo: we have a solar panel Oct 13 20:57:21 or if there is parking close by you could use a inverter in a car Oct 13 20:57:40 mojo: we HAVE a solar panel working Oct 13 20:57:47 we also have 2 pedal generators Oct 13 20:58:11 * OccupyBoston040 (~OccupyBos@204.45.ops.wur) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:58:22 Yes, one pedal generator is fully charged and the other one is getting worked on Oct 13 20:58:24 * TheRavenProject has quit (Changing host) Oct 13 20:58:24 * TheRavenProject (~ren@doesnt.matter.what.it.is) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 20:58:43 hey MediaTent, are you there right now? Oct 13 20:59:02 Yes Oct 13 20:59:13 what happened at the general assembly? Oct 13 21:00:00 * Jay_Guevara (~Jay_Gueva@klpu-60-36-482-811.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:01:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Please RT & help/donate: #OWS #Occupyboston Protests destroyed food drive for the needy: therightsphere.com/donate/ #selfishusefulidiots - http://twitter.com/DPIPhotoGuy/statuses/124650748104544257 Oct 13 21:01:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @misstory: Please RT and help/donate: #OWS #Occupyboston Protests have destroyed food drive for the needy: http://t.co/ho9UDUI2 #selfishusefulidiots - http://twitter.com/EthicsRik/statuses/124650847337578497 Oct 13 21:01:34 O.o Oct 13 21:01:39 What the hell? Oct 13 21:02:05 I think we're being targeteed by right wing trolls. Oct 13 21:02:09 It was only a matter of time until they started abusing those hash tags. Oct 13 21:02:32 Jay_Guevara, They were after us all afternoon. Oct 13 21:02:39 cnn covering OWS right now Oct 13 21:03:59 Has anybody seen what they're saying about us over at freerepublic.com? Jesus, they're such haters. There's been a picture of somebody shitting on an American flag rolling around the net for the last year - of course it resurfaced over on FR and they're saying it's OWS. Oct 13 21:04:26 * Tracy_home (~Tracy_hom@a-19-263-330-778.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:04:27 They're totally convinced that we're part of some Democrat super=plot to communize America Oct 13 21:04:47 hi Oct 13 21:04:51 hi Oct 13 21:05:10 Welcome back Tracy. :D Oct 13 21:05:52 * heyguise has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 21:06:29 Hey, how'd you guys hold up during the rain? Oct 13 21:06:44 They didn't apparently. Oct 13 21:06:50 About 6am they moved out. Oct 13 21:07:44 Whaaaaaaaaa? Where'd they go? Oct 13 21:07:56 They're there. Oct 13 21:08:05 Does the first aid brigade have a refrigerator for my insulin? Oct 13 21:08:08 They just moved out, woke up and a lot was over water. Oct 13 21:08:44 * TheRavenProject is now known as Ren Oct 13 21:09:10 I used The The Raven Project because it was used. Now it's not anymore. Oct 13 21:10:52 * Jay_Guevara has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 21:14:00 * OccupyBoston003 (~OccupyBos@a-63-20-394-58.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:14:02 lefty_meeting: sorry was afk Oct 13 21:14:17 lovecrime: yo Oct 13 21:14:35 * OccupyBoston003 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 21:14:46 sup? I'm anxious as hell for no reason, taking the night to truecrypt my netbook Oct 13 21:15:25 * Ren high fives lovecraft * I love TrueCrypt. Oct 13 21:15:56 * Houndish2 (~Houndish@uksf-73-076-021-71.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:16:09 * OccupyBoston352 (~OccupyBos@otff-36-822-6-272.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:16:09 * OccupyBoston040 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 21:16:21 * OccupyBoston352 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 21:16:58 Truecrypt is definitely recommended, as is connecting to here via an SSL-enabled client Oct 13 21:17:00 * OccupyBoston150 (~OccupyBos@otff-36-822-6-272.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:17:15 * OccupyBoston150 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 21:17:33 * OccupyBoston261 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 21:18:12 * occupyapp821 (~occupyapp@68-22-25-872.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:18:16 * huxley is a bit privacy-minded these days Oct 13 21:18:27 Welcome Houndish, OccupyBoston352. Oct 13 21:18:31 lefty at a meeting at camp? Oct 13 21:18:52 * Houndish has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 21:18:54 Also recommended: using the Tor browser bundle, orbot & related apps for phone browsing and chat. Oct 13 21:19:28 * OccupyBoston494 (~OccupyBos@qxnv-31-878-218-226.prvdri.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:19:43 Good Evening Boston. Oct 13 21:19:53 tracy: no, nearby Oct 13 21:19:59 * OccupyBoston726 (~OccupyBos@itz83351k7jso2h-js339mfo2489t4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:20:09 * OccupyBoston726 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 21:20:21 No wonder I didn't see you there. Oct 13 21:20:38 I was there a little bit trying to clean up a bit Oct 13 21:20:46 Every thing ok tonight? Oct 13 21:20:56 Do you smoke. I thought I saw you outside. Oct 13 21:21:13 not me Oct 13 21:21:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @diggrbiii: Shorter #OccupyBoston: We're standing up for the 99%. Except for the people who were relying on a food drive. http://t.co/0Rbn4P1Y #OWS - http://twitter.com/mdillow/statuses/124655769533693953 Oct 13 21:21:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Hey #teaparty let's show our stuff. #OccupyBoston #fail ruined food bank fundraiser. Show who cares about poor! #tpp http://t.co/4OOlCOa7 - http://twitter.com/EricStrobel/statuses/124655803973120000 Oct 13 21:21:29 no Oct 13 21:21:38 I said hello to the wrong person. Oct 13 21:21:56 I asked him if he was lefty and he said not. Very embarrassed. Oct 13 21:21:57 * wfm has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 21:22:26 wow Oct 13 21:22:27 It is so busy and we se so many people. Oct 13 21:22:48 i see Oct 13 21:23:27 * OccupyBoston494 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 21:23:37 * OccupyBoston992 (~OccupyBos@qxnv-31-878-218-226.prvdri.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:23:45 * occupyapp821 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 21:24:01 * OccupyBoston992 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 21:24:08 * Ren has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 13 21:24:45 * gingie (~gingie@d-92-20-112-075.hsd7.ct.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:24:47 * Tracy_home has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 21:25:21 HI, is anyone reading this? Oct 13 21:25:24 * spacechip (~spacechip@d-57-438-851-391.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:25:29 * Tracy_home (~Tracy_hom@a-19-263-330-778.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:25:35 I am! Oct 13 21:25:39 hi ! Oct 13 21:25:42 Hi! Oct 13 21:25:58 * Ren (~ren@tjz-426-668-445-486.sc.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:25:58 Are you at Dewey Sq? Oct 13 21:26:09 * MediaTent (~MediaTent@50.12.rzo.ju) has left #occupyboston Oct 13 21:26:14 hi Ren Oct 13 21:26:42 * laiv (~laiv@j-54-42-477-081.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:26:49 O.o The hell? I guess I timed out. Oct 13 21:26:57 * lefty_meeting has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 21:26:59 I am not. I just wanted to see what's happening there since I left yesterday and it might be a couple days before I can stop by again. Oct 13 21:27:04 Ren: yeah, you pinged. Oct 13 21:27:17 Gah. Oct 13 21:27:31 * Ren has quit (Changing host) Oct 13 21:27:31 * Ren (~ren@doesnt.matter.what.it.is) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:27:52 Hi gingie. Ty. Oct 13 21:28:02 I need coffee. Oct 13 21:28:44 How about you, gingie. Are you there? Oct 13 21:30:03 * OccupyBoston743 (~OccupyBos@204.45.ops.wur) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:30:05 * OccupyBoston755 (~OccupyBos@71.181.ui.lk) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:30:17 * OccupyBoston755 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 21:30:46 * QUHZKS has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 21:31:33 * separation has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 21:31:37 * Ren sighs * The more I watch the news, the more I'm worried about the future of the movement and the occupations. Oct 13 21:32:22 In what way? Oct 13 21:32:47 Are you worried Oct 13 21:37:48 * Kelsatron (~Kelsatron@wovg-30-883-934-449.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:38:47 So, if i came on Sunday, where exactly should I go? Oct 13 21:38:47 * Tracy_home has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 21:38:58 * gingie has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 21:39:11 * Kelsatron has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 21:39:21 * gingie (~gingie@d-92-20-112-075.hsd7.ct.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:39:22 * Ren has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 21:39:42 * OccupyBoston374 (~OccupyBos@ib838-49-773-713.mc.at.cox.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:39:42 * axb21 (~abucci@fcj5264a3.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:39:43 Dewey Square? Oct 13 21:39:50 hi again. I had to refresh. Oct 13 21:40:05 laiv, are you at Dewy now? Oct 13 21:40:06 * OccupyBoston374 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 21:40:12 No just got home Oct 13 21:40:16 from there Oct 13 21:40:29 i see. is everyone ok there? Oct 13 21:40:47 Yeah it was looking good, and no rain Oct 13 21:40:52 good Oct 13 21:40:53 * Ren (~ren@tjz-426-668-445-486.sc.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:41:01 hi again Ren Oct 13 21:41:22 laiv, are you going back tomorrow? if you don't mind me asking. Oct 13 21:41:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #occupyboston thanks to all folks helping us make amends to the food bank! Please spread the word. This could be a banner night for them! - http://twitter.com/humanoidz1/statuses/124660887796711424 Oct 13 21:41:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @humanoidz1: #occupyboston thanks to all folks helping us make amends to the food bank! Please spread the word. This could be a banner night for them! - http://twitter.com/OccupyBostonBot/statuses/124660906843062272 Oct 13 21:41:55 so Ren, why worried by the news? Oct 13 21:42:00 * OccupyBoston978 (~OccupyBos@y-04-996-6-57.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:42:01 Ill be going back saturday Oct 13 21:42:17 crispussattucks, are you still here? Oct 13 21:42:20 * lefty-meeting (~lefty-mee@120.sub-187-714-8.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:42:26 Hi LM Oct 13 21:42:35 * ZanzibarMan (~ZanzibarM@ezry-951-59-26-71.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:42:37 damn wifi Oct 13 21:42:39 hello Oct 13 21:42:44 hi Oct 13 21:42:46 have I said how much I HATE wireles? Oct 13 21:42:49 I have a proposal here... Oct 13 21:42:54 I see. I wanted to bring some food & drinks up Oct 13 21:42:58 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1__Plrec0Nq9EhcU0nydGMZv4_8IqYZucAcM6IFX6Qfg/edit?hl=en_US Oct 13 21:43:01 * lefty-meeting has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 21:43:18 for us to read? Oct 13 21:43:22 * OccupyBoston313 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 21:43:51 brb gonna check that link out Oct 13 21:43:58 * Shidash (~Shidash@r-88-461-552-58.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:44:14 * leftyfb-meeting (~leftyfb-m@120.sub-187-714-8.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:44:18 * OccupyBoston374 (~OccupyBos@paym-629-27-664-534.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:44:56 * OccupyBoston374 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 21:45:07 hi you guys Oct 13 21:45:15 hi Oct 13 21:45:18 did you read it? Oct 13 21:45:29 ZanzibarMan I have a question. Yeah i did read it Oct 13 21:45:35 yes? Oct 13 21:45:36 I like it so far Oct 13 21:45:39 ok ... Oct 13 21:46:10 ZanzibarMan: your proposal is powerful. I might suggest a listing of specific transgressions such as listed in the Declaration of Independence. Oct 13 21:46:32 a friend of mine suggested this to me at the same time I was thinking about it as a way to help the fight. Oct 13 21:46:43 Some people might question exactly what these abuses are Oct 13 21:47:09 what if everyone would take their money out of the banks and put their money into smaller Credit Unions? Oct 13 21:47:27 no CU has asked to be bailed out ever Oct 13 21:47:29 gingie: thats already a plan in progress Oct 13 21:47:37 awesome! Oct 13 21:48:17 * spacechip has quit (Quit: spacechip) Oct 13 21:48:25 a LARGE plan Oct 13 21:48:35 * nO_ob is now known as yman Oct 13 21:49:02 left: is there a target date for accomplishing this? Oct 13 21:49:10 geeze, I can't believe I'm thinking as well as you guys! Oct 13 21:49:38 lefty* Oct 13 21:49:54 do you mind if we start spreading the word, or is it going to be an attack all at once? Oct 13 21:50:19 gingie: it's not in that stage yet Oct 13 21:50:24 you'll see it when it comes Oct 13 21:50:47 i see. ok. well, I already use a credit union so that's good ; ) Oct 13 21:52:09 I want to be of better service to the OB - do you have something for me to do? I'm in Saugus Oct 13 21:52:38 gingie: tweet, spread awareness Oct 13 21:52:42 * Tracy_camp (~Tracy_cam@a-19-263-330-778.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:52:48 hi Tracy Oct 13 21:53:10 hi Oct 13 21:53:11 thanks, I'm doing that already. I'll just keep going with it Oct 13 21:53:27 although, I don't tweet Oct 13 21:53:52 Join us twittering masses, gingie. ;) Oct 13 21:54:14 haha ... seriously? is there such a thing? Oct 13 21:54:38 * OccupyBoston545 (~OccupyBos@tdzt-699-40-02-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:54:38 I've been on Twitter a few years now. One of the most amazing things I've seen in my life, some days. Oct 13 21:54:48 I dont even know HOW to tweet. Twit? Oct 13 21:54:49 (Other days it is a frivolous timesink...) Oct 13 21:55:03 hi 545 Oct 13 21:55:07 Go to twitter.com and check it out. You can do it from the web, or your cellphone. Oct 13 21:55:28 * lovecrime has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 13 21:55:38 ohhhhhhhhhhh ... a cell phone I have! I thought I needed something higher tech. Oct 13 21:55:53 * lovecrime (~lovecrime@b-57-933-46-146.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:55:53 * OccupyBoston390 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 21:55:57 thanks Oct 13 21:56:10 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to lovecrime Oct 13 21:56:29 hi lovecrime. gone? Oct 13 21:56:37 * superjudgebunny has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 13 21:56:40 naw Oct 13 21:56:43 * Ren has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 13 21:56:44 I'm trying to fix something Oct 13 21:56:50 i see Oct 13 21:56:54 good luck Oct 13 21:57:12 leftyfb: what the hell am I missing. I set xchat to get my IP from the IRC server, it's still showing my home ip Oct 13 21:57:30 * destiny (~destiny@gios-35-343-996-18.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:57:41 lovecrime: i'll have to help with that latter Oct 13 21:58:06 hi destiny Oct 13 21:58:11 hiya Oct 13 21:58:18 * spacechip (~spacechip@d-57-438-851-391.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:58:22 * lovecrime has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 21:58:29 hi spacechip Oct 13 21:58:49 I dont know what to say about this but I hope this Occup everywhere brings upon change Oct 13 21:59:02 * lovecrime (~lovecrime@b-57-933-46-146.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 21:59:15 it has and it will keep growing Oct 13 21:59:24 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to lovecrime Oct 13 21:59:43 I wish I could come join the group but I have to try and keep the only job I have Oct 13 21:59:53 for about two years now, I've been saying there's going to be a revolution in this country soon. Oct 13 22:00:05 Ive dropped out of college and trying to get a second job to survive Oct 13 22:00:08 I hear ya. Could you take one day off? Oct 13 22:00:16 ohhhhhhh Oct 13 22:00:28 * Tracy_home (~trcmoscat@a-19-263-330-778.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:00:32 * OccupyBoston545 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 22:00:35 yeah I hope to come down and join so the day Oct 13 22:00:49 hi Oct 13 22:01:12 * Ren (~ren@tjz-426-668-445-486.sc.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:01:17 I'm not at Dewey. Do you think they want people there on a day by day thing? Oct 13 22:01:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @kade_ellis: Someone rigged an LED lit sign here. Dope. http://t.co/5xwlm2oN #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/tulasana/statuses/124665881786724352 Oct 13 22:01:26 * Tracy_camp has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 22:01:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @kade_ellis: Someone rigged an LED lit sign here. Dope. http://t.co/5xwlm2oN #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/GuerrillaDaily/statuses/124665931216588802 Oct 13 22:01:32 * Ren has quit (Changing host) Oct 13 22:01:33 * Ren (~ren@doesnt.matter.what.it.is) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:01:37 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @kade_ellis: Someone rigged an LED lit sign here. Dope. http://t.co/5xwlm2oN #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124664682110918656 Oct 13 22:01:38 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @kade_ellis: Scene from the GA stage at #occupyboston tonight. http://t.co/yE9QM2Vz Check the writing on the wall. http://t.co/z8Taym1o - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124664693267771392 Oct 13 22:02:36 * destiny has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 22:02:41 sure is bright! Oct 13 22:02:58 hi Tracy Oct 13 22:03:04 * leftyfb-meeting has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 22:04:32 Why is NYC using MOveON for signatures? Oct 13 22:04:46 Does anybody know what food bank these guys are going to? I could help out with food. Oct 13 22:04:53 * chelle (~chelle@p-69-532-571-539.hsd7.wa.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:04:54 i don't know. Oct 13 22:05:00 hi chelle Oct 13 22:05:36 * TheMamboKing (~themambok@51.297.258.39.cfl.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:05:48 * gingie has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 22:05:58 What's going on in Boston my friends? Oct 13 22:06:30 Anyone? Oct 13 22:06:38 Tracy - where r u seeing that signature? Oct 13 22:07:39 * gingie (~gingie@d-92-20-112-075.hsd7.ct.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:07:44 * not has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 13 22:07:55 hi everyone Oct 13 22:08:00 oops, i booted myself out Oct 13 22:08:04 hi 510 Oct 13 22:08:15 http://front.moveon.org/ Oct 13 22:08:18 top of page Oct 13 22:08:37 thanks brb Oct 13 22:09:05 * OccupyBoston978 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 22:09:20 * huxley has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 13 22:12:26 * OccupyBoston009 (~OccupyBos@72.93.ugm.lt) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:12:47 * OccupyEverything (~OccupyEve@q-07-99-965-020.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:12:50 * lovecrime has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 13 22:13:20 Its time for you guys to go!!! what are you costing tax payers in extra police protection. Either get an agenda or get lost!! Oct 13 22:13:35 leftyfb Oct 13 22:13:58 ab_ :-) Oct 13 22:14:16 Hello, 009. How are you? Oct 13 22:14:22 we are protesting the unfair use of BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars.... Oct 13 22:14:39 thats worth exercising our rights to assemble Oct 13 22:14:44 * axb21 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 13 22:15:22 009, Menino himself said that they haven't had to pay very much at all in overtime pay to the police. Oct 13 22:15:30 By misusing taxpayer $$. Makes lots of since Oct 13 22:15:45 * OccupyBoston819 (~OccupyBos@91-945-569-407.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:15:56 Tracy, I see the MoveOn. I wonder why? Oct 13 22:16:02 * OccupyBoston819 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 22:16:04 so what does everyone think of the london statement we passed? Oct 13 22:16:04 how much does a rolling rally cost? or a stanley cup parade? where were the people decying police overtime then Oct 13 22:16:28 OccypyEverything is so right Oct 13 22:16:45 this is the first I've heard of the London statement Oct 13 22:16:49 Gen, did you make the mindfulness class? Oct 13 22:16:52 can you tell us about it? Oct 13 22:16:53 the police are the 99% too Oct 13 22:17:07 * TheTiffn8r (~TheTiffn8@sgff-36-14-636-112.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:17:08 Tracy_home: yes!, wait, did you? I don't think there was a tracy there (if there was I apologize) Oct 13 22:17:09 Link, GenKreton? Oct 13 22:17:13 O-Everything has a point there too! Oct 13 22:17:22 Ren: there is no link, it will be published on the 15th by occupy london Oct 13 22:17:23 hello occupy people Oct 13 22:17:23 Gen, yes. Are you Greg? Oct 13 22:17:29 we just passed a statement of solidarity Oct 13 22:17:35 Tracy_home: I'm doug, I was rather quiet haha Oct 13 22:17:38 http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Everything/201593333246529 Oct 13 22:17:39 * lovecrime (~lovecrime@b-57-933-46-146.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:17:44 * alienb__ (~lovecrime@b-57-933-46-146.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:17:47 that was actually ym first time participating i a group meditation despite having meditated for ~3 years Oct 13 22:17:48 hi Tiff Oct 13 22:17:52 * lovecrime has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 22:17:58 I was there. Oct 13 22:18:02 hey that's awesome! Oct 13 22:18:03 Near the opening. Oct 13 22:18:03 i coming out to boston when I get my check tomorrow Oct 13 22:18:12 ahh :D Oct 13 22:18:14 We all need to see this video: http://front.moveon.org/the-most-powerful-occupywallstreet-clip-you-will-see-this-month/ Oct 13 22:18:18 ive been trying to budget to make it out there because I have to take a bus and a train to get there Oct 13 22:18:19 Gen, in all black? Oct 13 22:18:21 Tracy_home: you going at 4pm? Oct 13 22:18:24 anygoing out to dewey square, bring supplies if you can Oct 13 22:18:27 when? Oct 13 22:18:35 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to alienb__ Oct 13 22:18:35 tomorrow Oct 13 22:18:40 shorter url: http://tinyurl.com/3u7944u Oct 13 22:18:40 im going to try and get there before noon Oct 13 22:18:41 * alienb__ is now known as lovec Oct 13 22:18:42 there is another meditation thingy Oct 13 22:18:46 Can't be there until Saturday. Oct 13 22:18:47 * OccupyBoston892 (~OccupyBos@p-70-56-221-613.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:18:59 Were you in all black? Oct 13 22:19:03 ah I had it wrong Tracy_home: Discussion: Buddhism and Social Justice w/ Harvard Divinity School Grad Student Joe Hodgkin Oct 13 22:19:03 hi lovec Oct 13 22:19:04 Has this movement suggested solutions? I'm not smart enough to have all the answers, but a protest without suggested solutions doesn't really inspire the masses. Oct 13 22:19:09 and no I had the bright orange coat on Oct 13 22:19:10 WB, lovecrime. Oct 13 22:19:16 i think i am going to go in tomorrow and leave saturday because i have a fundraiser i need to attend saturday Oct 13 22:19:20 Ok. Oct 13 22:19:21 well I took it off for my medium grey long sleeve Oct 13 22:19:30 * oddalot (~Ddkdkfff@57-907-97-64.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:19:31 glasses, beard Oct 13 22:19:36 young looking haha Oct 13 22:19:36 Yes Oct 13 22:19:38 hi odda Oct 13 22:19:47 I have to work for most of the weekend. But right after I get off work on Sunday, I'm heading over to the State House. Oct 13 22:19:53 We were both quiet. Oct 13 22:20:01 I was intimidated by that girl who kept talking about color saying "well shit, nothing happened that special to me!" Oct 13 22:20:06 the movement is in its infancy, nobody has all the answers right now. Think of it as less a protest than a convention of people who see that our country is being bought and sold despite our objesctions Oct 13 22:20:27 OccupyBoston009, in part, that's on purpose. Oct 13 22:21:04 We don't necessarily want to restrict the movements purpose by having stated goals. We want a response. In ways, we've stated goals but they're not in the form of demands Oct 13 22:21:06 there should be a discussion happening on wikispace to define a purpose actually Oct 13 22:21:09 hey you guys, i have to get to bed. can I just stop by? Oct 13 22:21:20 gingie: YES Oct 13 22:21:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] this objectification of the homeless by turning them into a talking point WILL NOT STAND. We are all 99% #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/TomJoadsGhost/statuses/124670927542812672 Oct 13 22:21:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @TomJoadsGhost: this objectification of the homeless by turning them into a talking point WILL NOT STAND. We are all 99% #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/OccupyBostonBot/statuses/124670946320719873 Oct 13 22:21:33 bring friends Oct 13 22:21:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @anthonytulliani: Just saw on @Foxnews news report that @Occupy_Boston protesters spit on coastguards in uniform? More bullshit to ma ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124670780138192897 Oct 13 22:21:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @SmedleyVFP: @Occupy_Boston @jaykelly26 You are very welcome! And YOU deserve it, and more! - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124670987290689538 Oct 13 22:21:42 All due respect, why give a purpose if it's only required of us by our detractors? Oct 13 22:21:55 * Ren sighs. And we're still being trolled on Twitter. Oct 13 22:21:59 awesome! I want to help out with some food. how do I do that? i can't carry lots of stuff on the T Oct 13 22:22:10 the group came to a consensus last evening that there would be a discussion about purpose both in camp and on wikispaces Oct 13 22:22:15 I guess people see things in color. Oct 13 22:22:17 what do people need in Boston, i can try and bring some things with me when I come in Oct 13 22:22:19 and that agreeing to it would come at a later date Oct 13 22:22:33 ponchos and rain gear Oct 13 22:22:42 ok Oct 13 22:22:46 GenKreton, I guess I'm just speaking more specifically about the Occupation in my area. Oct 13 22:22:50 I believe they have things planned and it's all on a need to know basis Oct 13 22:22:52 gingie: bring what fits in your backpack Oct 13 22:22:53 imo Oct 13 22:22:55 Ren: there was also a proposal contaning I believe 16 human rights sort of guarantees and 10 statements added to 10 of the rights that is going up on wikispaces, from SPP, to debate soon Oct 13 22:23:03 ah ok Oct 13 22:23:16 * yuriwho has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 13 22:23:21 TheTiffn8r: tarps Oct 13 22:23:27 gingie, your best bet is a big back pack Oct 13 22:23:43 * yuriwho (~yuri@w93-81-55-785.home2.cgocable.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:23:46 gingie: if you have a car Oct 13 22:23:50 i'm laughing to myself while I'm thinking, how do they know I have a backpack duh. Oct 13 22:23:54 you can drive up stop on the side of the camp and people will unload for you Oct 13 22:23:56 no car Oct 13 22:24:06 gingie: do you live in the city? Oct 13 22:24:07 i may not be able to afford tarps, but i can probably grab some ponchos or trash bags. I am going to have 50$ for the next 2 weeks, so i will try and bring what i can Oct 13 22:24:12 * OccupyBoston784 (~OccupyBos@joav-555-1-75-191.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:24:14 No, Saugus Oct 13 22:24:18 damn Oct 13 22:24:42 I'll be honest, I;m part of the 1%. But I agree with some of the issues this movement is talking about. Equality in taxes has to make sense. I pay a heck of lot more taxes than people making a heck of lot more money than I am. Oct 13 22:24:44 * Ren will fortunately be getting paid tonight. But not much. Only had 5 hours last week and 8 this week. Oct 13 22:24:52 I pick things up for the camp with my bicycle trailer but thats a bit too far :( Oct 13 22:25:02 I agree that the small minority should not be setting the political agenda. Oct 13 22:25:03 yeah I only get 12 a weeks Oct 13 22:25:24 OccupyBoston009, All due respect, it's really only 99% and 1% because of the media. This is a nationwide initiative. Oct 13 22:25:37 Even those who are well off should understand common sense issues with the Tax Code. Oct 13 22:25:40 so what is happening tommorrow at 11? Oct 13 22:25:42 anyone in the south shore, come to the bridgewater commuter rail station tomorrow around 930, trying to get a nice group into the city Oct 13 22:25:47 * Boston (~Boston@otff-35-388-975-847.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:25:54 * Houndish2 has quit () Oct 13 22:26:18 * Boston has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 22:26:24 Im going to take the communter rail in from fitchburg, anyone from around there going? Oct 13 22:26:41 * OccupyBoston784 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 22:26:51 * BostonFrank (~BostonFra@otff-35-388-975-847.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:26:51 * axb21 (~abucci@fc95714g8.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:26:53 * Dave (~Dave@qxnv-95-625-139-180.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:26:56 Even those who are well off should understand common sense issues with the Tax Code. Oct 13 22:27:00 Even those who are well off should understand common sense issues with the Tax Code. Oct 13 22:27:10 don't repeat yourself :P Oct 13 22:27:12 gingie, please don't repeat Oct 13 22:27:28 well, i'll just do my best. ... Ren has it with this too: even those who are well off should understand common sense issues with the tax code. Oct 13 22:27:32 oops sorry Oct 13 22:27:44 * Dave has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 22:28:00 ok everyone, off for the night. all the best for those at camp. Oct 13 22:28:02 i didn't do it on purpose. now that I know what I did, i won't do it again. Oct 13 22:28:11 * Ren nods * You're all good. Oct 13 22:28:24 thanx Oct 13 22:28:27 We should understand common sense issues, but for some reason, the politicians don't seem to. I don't think I should pay less taxes, but I can't see paying more when special interests and loopholes allow corporates and others to pay such a lower %. Oct 13 22:28:45 * OccupyBoston510 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 22:28:53 if any% at all 009 Oct 13 22:28:57 * laiv has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 22:29:14 So suppose your wish would be that you would only pay more if corps weren't given so many corners to cut. Oct 13 22:29:42 and why do we have to pay rediculous fees that the corporations are just pocketing Oct 13 22:29:45 * Richard_Halloran (~m@kru-358-964-402-919.carolina.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:29:47 the pols do understand *their* common sense issues. They get money from the lobbyists/corpoprations. Oct 13 22:29:58 Greetings to occupiers. Have been following on net & want to visit Saturday. Calendar doesnt list stuff. Need suggestions please. Thx! Oct 13 22:29:58 thats exactly it 743 Oct 13 22:30:13 * mvN900 (~mvN900@ps72695z2.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:30:38 our representatives dont care about us, they want us quiet and distracted while they clean up on corporate money Oct 13 22:30:51 * Tracy_home (~trcmoscat@a-19-263-330-778.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 13 22:30:53 have a peaceful discussion and pleasant dreams. greetings Frank, i'm just leaving. Oct 13 22:31:14 * mvN900 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 22:31:29 Not sure there should be as many corners to cut for anyone. I paid over 30% of my income in federal taxes last year. I've read that the top 400 income earners in the US paid and average of about 15% in taxes. I am no where near the top 400. Flat tax makes sense to me. Oct 13 22:31:38 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Hello! Anyone who thinks we would spit on Coast Guard officers- or anyone at all- needs a reality check. Definitely not our style! - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124671805557448704 Oct 13 22:31:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @ChrisARobbins: @Occupy_Boston BPD chokes and beats veterans. Does the media report that? No. They print/speak lies and made-up nonsense. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124672978238713857 Oct 13 22:31:49 BostonFrank: cold weather stuff -- gloves, hats, sweaters, tarps, ponchos Oct 13 22:32:39 * gingie has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 22:32:43 * gingie (~gingie@d-92-20-112-075.hsd7.ct.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:33:17 sorry, i wanted to see the other Tweet (?) g'nite all. be safe. Oct 13 22:33:22 * Shidash has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 22:33:24 * gingie (~gingie@d-92-20-112-075.hsd7.ct.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 13 22:33:44 the media is run by the corporations we are protesting, we will clearly be idiots in the medias eyes Oct 13 22:34:06 so true Oct 13 22:35:40 divide and conquer is their m.o. Oct 13 22:35:49 Thanks to all the thoughtful folks, who Occupy and Question, our state of affairs and direction. Peace... Oct 13 22:35:51 but if the police stage any more scenes like the other night, they will report, and in the people's eyes we will be seen for what we are Oct 13 22:38:23 * mvN900 (~mvN900@e230264u8.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:38:34 OccupyBoston743: Veteran skier here... can do coldweather... may have tips for others... "Keep moving" for one Oct 13 22:38:52 * OccupyBoston515 (~OccupyBos@klpz-924-980-957-42.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:40:13 any media folks here? Oct 13 22:40:27 * maximus (~maximus@130.64.pxg.pxq) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:40:35 would like to offer to help media Oct 13 22:41:05 * OccupyEverything has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 22:41:08 BostonFrank check the occupyboston.wikispaces.com should be an email contact there Oct 13 22:41:23 * maximus has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 22:41:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @PHASERStoFAB I just donated 50$=126 meals to Grter B. Food Bnk in honor of #OccupyBoston! Do same and show 'm that #Occupy cares!! RT RT - http://twitter.com/JLR_/statuses/124675744302501889 Oct 13 22:41:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @TomJoadsGhost: Donate to #occupyboston. We feed the hungry EVERY DAY #p2 #tcot #teaparty #ows - http://twitter.com/Conan776/statuses/124675802347487232 Oct 13 22:41:54 Don't bash the media too harshly. Boston Globe columns by Vennochi & Abraham both very positive to OB. Oct 13 22:41:59 * OccupyBoston009 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 22:43:23 mvN900: Thx, will check the wiki.... any big stuff planned on Sat? .... site calendar doesnt list... Oct 13 22:44:26 * BostonFrank has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 22:44:28 BostonFrank we had a bit of water issue in the mediatent that has kept updates offline as things get fxed and put backtogether Oct 13 22:44:33 * BostonFrank (~BostonFra@otff-35-388-975-847.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:45:43 * Frank (~Frank@q-73-04-34-358.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:45:52 hi Oct 13 22:45:57 * mvN900 has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 13 22:46:18 * Jay_Guevara (~Jay_Gueva@klpu-60-36-482-811.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:46:30 Hello everybody Oct 13 22:46:41 * ywwg (~owen@f-21-044-99-506.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:46:42 we need campaign finance reform, under the current system, foreign corporations can influence US government Oct 13 22:46:43 WHAT Oct 13 22:47:30 * Tracy_home (~trcmoscat@a-19-263-330-778.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:47:32 Welcome back, Jay. Oct 13 22:47:35 Greetings to all..Thx for being involved. "99" Oct 13 22:47:35 * OccupyEverything (~OccupyEve@q-07-99-965-020.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:47:50 Yes You're right. China has no business influencing our trade policies with them. Oct 13 22:47:55 * Alex45617 (~Alex45617@479-993-45-919.c1-3.frm-ubr4.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:48:01 Hi ren Oct 13 22:48:19 Can we get Monica from OWS to visit? Oct 13 22:48:22 do you guys need sleeping bags? Oct 13 22:49:59 It's not just foreign corporations - it's anybody with some cash who can influence our government, and it doesn't take much. Oct 13 22:50:09 Time to start change... construct a better world... Oct 13 22:50:11 Of course we need sleeping bags! Oct 13 22:50:31 * OccupyBoston784 (~OccupyBos@isvixo-063-084-036-115.mycingular.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:50:38 exactly I am just saying that the idea of foreign corporation influencing our government is atrocious Oct 13 22:50:43 * BostonSurfer (~BostonSur@216.211.viz.qg) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:50:49 Yep! Oct 13 22:51:03 Will Occupy Boston last through the winter? Oct 13 22:51:03 and they call us un american Oct 13 22:51:14 So come on down and make a sign saying as much! Oct 13 22:51:33 Yes, we will last through the winter Oct 13 22:51:43 also guys, there is a new program called adopt an occupier Oct 13 22:51:52 Please hold to that promise because I really want to see you guys pull through Oct 13 22:51:53 Whenever I sign hold down there i get tons of people coming up to me asking to take a picture Oct 13 22:52:05 I love OccupyBoston Oct 13 22:52:08 How miserable we'll be is up to Mumbles, but we'll be here Oct 13 22:52:14 I will be there during the winter, I am half icelandic and have a natural resistance to cold Oct 13 22:52:17 and bullshit Oct 13 22:52:30 Do we have any plans about how to regroup when the city decides to remove us from Dewey? Oct 13 22:52:38 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @eustaciavye77: Some douchebag is sayin that the folk at @Occupy_Boston spit on the coast guard. There's how many veterens down there? - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124677773859106816 Oct 13 22:52:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Thx for food drive clarification, folks! Maybe we could bump up our pre-existing food drive to this weekend, or do both? - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124678720584814592 Oct 13 22:52:40 @Jay, I'm planning on sleeping-out w/ a friend tomorrow... basically, I should definitely bring 2 bags for us, eh? Oct 13 22:52:48 everyones argument right now is that our tax dollars are going towards this. Oct 13 22:53:08 We have to individually go back and sit down in the same place they arrested us Oct 13 22:53:31 * OccupyBoston136 (~OccupyBos@pvos-24-561-448-50.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:53:40 the tax dollars are paying OT for police whose families Im sure could use the cash Oct 13 22:53:54 at least its not going to programs like Solyndra Oct 13 22:53:54 our tax dollars are going into 6 wars that cost a hell of a lot morfe than OB Oct 13 22:53:56 dsws: I talked about that this evening Oct 13 22:53:59 * OccupyBoston136 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 22:54:02 * Leighton (4c770c82@hwtxf8.mibbit.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:54:04 I'm just curious, what measures is OccupyBoston taking to be active during the winter Oct 13 22:54:06 WB Leighton Oct 13 22:54:14 hey Oct 13 22:54:16 GenKreton, you mean at GA? Oct 13 22:54:19 dsws: really there are huge problems if we get evicted including that they'll throw away everything again Oct 13 22:54:20 He Leighton Oct 13 22:54:20 or in IRC? Oct 13 22:54:23 dsws: yes Oct 13 22:54:26 When facing Winter... draw inspiration from the soldiers who sacrified under G, Washinton and won our Freedom back in 1770's. Odds were stacked then too. Oct 13 22:54:29 I can't deal with the cold. Oct 13 22:54:38 dsws: sorry we talked about it outside the ga, I thought you asked if I was at the ga Oct 13 22:54:52 If you wear appropriate clothing like wool and stay dry you will be warm Oct 13 22:55:03 they hike mt everest in tents Oct 13 22:55:44 * OBHater (~OBHater@zumo-22-379-67-646.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:55:47 * OccupyBoston987 (~OccupyBos@ksa-039qn20d.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:56:00 What is the deal for Saturday? biggest march yet? Oct 13 22:56:10 Tracy: support online, visit occasionally, wait for Spring to really bring the movement to full force.. Oct 13 22:56:11 Kick off for all other occupations Oct 13 22:56:11 * OccupyBoston987 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 22:56:12 * ooride (~0_0@nl39-390-49-726.oc.oc.cox.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:56:16 whats happening tomorrow? Oct 13 22:56:21 OB is an embarrassment. Your message is about entitlement and wanting what others have but not wanting to work for it. I chuckle at you when i walk by you each morning sleeping in, while the hard working people are on the way to work. You dont have to squat in Dewey Sq, there are ghettos all over greater Boston and Im sure us working will foot the bill for you to live there. Oct 13 22:56:24 two things worry me - blizzards back-to-back with many feet of snow, and cold snaps of -0 or colder for weeks at a time Oct 13 22:56:26 * BostonSurfer has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 22:56:48 LOL! OBHater, at least you were honest in your nickname Oct 13 22:57:28 OBHater I make 100k/year and work 60hrs/wk, its about our future and government. We will quickly be #2 to china if we dont fix things which is why I hold a sign after work every night Oct 13 22:57:38 i work hard every day, and on my rare day off I will be down at dewey Oct 13 22:57:45 so are there sleeping bags for folks that don't bring them? Oct 13 22:57:53 I'm more worried about getting flooded from freeze/thaw cycles that wind up with ice blocking the water from draining away from the tents, than about just plain cold. Oct 13 22:57:54 ODHater: Suggest that you talk to a few people there. I work and I support them Oct 13 22:57:59 Alex45617: generally not Oct 13 22:58:22 Frank, they only thing i have seen or heard from anyone out of that camp is what they want and dont want to work for....ie free tuition?? ie debt eliminated?? Oct 13 22:58:25 I saw 4 people show up Tuesday night, provided sleeping bags, I let 3 stay in my tent, food is provided etc Oct 13 22:58:27 No, there are no extra sleeping bags. BRING DOWN 20 OF THEM! Oct 13 22:58:50 we were short last evening on them Oct 13 22:58:57 * Dave (~Dave@m-97-613-122-763.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:58:57 we had a few more donated not sure if we have enough or not Oct 13 22:59:03 * OccupyBoston837 (~OccupyBos@klpz-924-980-957-42.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 22:59:24 Those are only some people OBHater. Some of us don't agree with that. I personally could go either way. Oct 13 22:59:32 To me it's not just about work. It's about a political system that is of the 1%, for the 1% and by the 1%. ..... As opposed of the people, by the people and for the people Oct 13 22:59:44 well said Oct 13 22:59:44 Thank you GenKreton - I'll bring my own :) Oct 13 22:59:46 But I'm more worried about lack of planning for arrests than about weather. If it comes down to "go to jail, or you can't be involved", most people won't be involved. Oct 13 22:59:57 Here is a trick: Three lawn and leaf bags, placed inside each other, will keep you from freezing to deathj Oct 13 23:00:40 dsws: how are we not prepared for arrests? Oct 13 23:00:40 Large trash bags are definitely a wonderful tool in cold, wet circumstances. Oct 13 23:00:45 dsws is that ultimatum is made we will just move to a place where we have right to assembly as provided by the Constitution of the US Oct 13 23:01:10 OBH:There really is more to them. They are diverse.. Most have genuine concerns that affect us.. mostsacrifice to be there. Its not ez to stand up against police and against Winter! Oct 13 23:01:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @Himmelhoney @jhaverly how do we know the link is legit to send money to? #bostonfooddrive #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/LolliDama/statuses/124680914092568578 Oct 13 23:01:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @JLR_: @LolliDama @Occupy_Boston I just donated 50$=126 meals to Grtr Bstn Fd Bank in honor of #OccupyBoston-Do the same and show 'em that we care! - http://twitter.com/LolliDama/statuses/124681007034146816 Oct 13 23:01:30 so if you want tuition free of charge, who will pay for it? you want min wage raised to 20/hr, what do you think that will do to the cost of running a business? you want student loans and mortgages forgiven? Northeastern students complaining about BANKS....where do you think the money to fund your education comes from? folks losing their holmes b/c they can no longer pay the note...they signed on the dotted line! Oct 13 23:02:05 OB, seems like you watch alot of EDITED news where they pick the most incoherent and ridiculous people to represent our movement Oct 13 23:02:35 Ive seen news crews walk up, record for 30 seconds of some idiot who is ranting and then walk away and say "ok we got it lets get the fuck out of here" Oct 13 23:02:44 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Alright then, let's do it! All weekend long- let's show people who want to discredit what we do. We already feed the hungry constantly... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124679720532062208 Oct 13 23:02:45 this is what i heard in person, last thurs night. on my way home i stopped to listed to a group of OB speaking and repeating demands.... Oct 13 23:02:45 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: ...but let's collect a MOUNTAIN of food for the food bank this weekend! Bring it down! - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124679837305675776 Oct 13 23:02:55 * Richard_Halloran slaps OBHater around a bit with a large trout Oct 13 23:03:04 Every time I ask about plans to move when the ultimatum arrives, all I hear is stuff like "keep coming back and getting arrested". Oct 13 23:03:13 OBH -- look around your country --is it the way u want it? Oct 13 23:03:40 well dsws they arent gonna make a designated spot for us to protest Oct 13 23:03:41 dsws: as with any ultimatum, those that are willing to be arrested will hold out and be arrested, those that are unwilling will avoid it Oct 13 23:04:16 why even talk of ultimatum? Oct 13 23:04:31 OBS: they want a future and the opportunities that have historically been part of America. Those things have died. They speak against the death of our dreams and opportunity. Its not about give me a handout Oct 13 23:04:33 because of what occupy wall st is facing tonight Oct 13 23:05:04 it's more likely given the newer rhetoric from the mayor that we will out grow our plot and need to look for a new space Oct 13 23:05:12 * Alex45617 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 23:05:17 things are PACKED Oct 13 23:05:25 Basically the dream of america is you take a risk by taking a loan for college, succeed, do well, get good grades and you should have a job waiting for you since you have succeeded all your life Oct 13 23:05:43 but there are no good jobs right now Oct 13 23:06:13 everyone is over qualified and under paid Oct 13 23:06:16 The only people with jobs are software engineers. They are rarely unemployed. Oct 13 23:06:18 * OccupyBoston049 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 23:06:35 * DanglingMan (~DanglingM@z-60-99-366-225.hsd8.il.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 23:06:49 Tracy I really dont think so, I know plenty Oct 13 23:06:51 OBH: yes i understand that. I've lived it. but that opportunity is now dying! Oct 13 23:06:54 I speak for engineering when I say the barrier to employment is often the patent system Oct 13 23:07:08 We need patent reform. Oct 13 23:07:15 Frank, really? Oct 13 23:07:16 * tarn (~tarn@n274126592k8ci6a3.vc.shawcable.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 23:07:23 there are thousands of engineers of many disciplines out there that could start a business but a larger corporation would destroy them with patents Oct 13 23:07:24 hello boston Oct 13 23:07:25 we need all sorts of legal reform Oct 13 23:07:37 I know someone in NYC and he said it is 100% . Oct 13 23:07:46 got kinda worried when I saw you were off lie - everything okay? Oct 13 23:07:49 Yes everyone is over qualified in there current positions, making code that is way under their skill level Oct 13 23:08:05 while the people who arent as skilled or educated cant find a 40k job Oct 13 23:08:06 I havr never seen it this bad in my profession Oct 13 23:08:10 I think there are a lot of software engineers in Boston. Oct 13 23:08:20 * Richard_Halloran has quit (Quit: * PEACE *) Oct 13 23:08:45 the livestream is off. what is going on tonight? Oct 13 23:08:51 Even if the over qualified people apply for a shitty job that they need employers wont take them because they know if something else pops up they will leave Oct 13 23:09:08 why is the stream off line? Oct 13 23:09:23 DanglingMan: ga has essentially been over for 2 hours Oct 13 23:09:39 right, but often there is a stream Oct 13 23:09:47 * ghjlk (~ghjlk@otkk-62-765-610-617.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 23:09:58 really nothing to stream now Oct 13 23:09:59 OBH: Good, smart, and hard working people are confronting the grim reality of the economic state we're in. They are working to find a solution to what confronts us all. Oct 13 23:10:09 * tarn (~tarn@n274126592k8ci6a3.vc.shawcable.net) has left #occupyboston (Ex-Chat) Oct 13 23:10:21 the internet application system has ironically made getting a job even more about nepotism and favoritism Oct 13 23:10:21 * ghjlk has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 23:10:25 It is also about the coporate/industry lobbyists controlling legislation Oct 13 23:10:27 I think its bullshit that its been 3 years with no progress Oct 13 23:10:30 Wet equipment? Oct 13 23:10:40 every career counselor tells me "you have to network" Oct 13 23:10:56 which is their way of saying, it's not what you know, it's who you know Oct 13 23:11:03 Iam sick of being picked apart $$piece by piece$$ every day. Oct 13 23:11:08 Dangling, I think that is another barrier for poor people. Oct 13 23:11:14 it's always been that way Oct 13 23:11:17 it's a barrier for everybody. Oct 13 23:11:28 * Alex45617 (~Alex45617@479-993-45-919.c1-3.frm-ubr4.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 23:11:29 I'll be honest, every job I've ever had since I was 15 has been through people I know Oct 13 23:11:37 genkreton: the internet was supposed to make it more democratic Oct 13 23:11:47 I know working class people simply don't have the same opportunity to make connections as wealthier people. Oct 13 23:12:08 tracy, that is probably true Oct 13 23:12:19 I know. I lived it. Oct 13 23:12:31 I think the internet changes that a little. Oct 13 23:12:44 but when someone says i need to network, I ask whose ass I'm supposed to kiss Oct 13 23:12:52 * OccupyBoston417 (~OccupyBos@oypu-93-90-520-3.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 23:13:02 Genkreton - with rare exception, me too! Oct 13 23:13:11 sometimes I can't even find out if my CV has made it to the right person Oct 13 23:13:12 Same for me Oct 13 23:13:13 * oddalot has quit () Oct 13 23:13:22 * cck has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 13 23:13:24 question for you all Oct 13 23:13:36 * Alex45617 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 23:13:47 Channel 7 News reporting that female Coast Guard member was spit at OB. CG telling members to avoid OB. Oct 13 23:13:59 Bullshit Oct 13 23:14:03 is it true? Oct 13 23:14:07 double bullshit Oct 13 23:14:17 OBH: the economy over the past yrs is dire, and chokes the life out of people. In '78 I started engineering school at NEU...$25/credit hr! To go today Fresh yr will cost $30k at most schools in Bost Oct 13 23:14:22 No one has spit on any member of the coast guard. Oct 13 23:14:26 fox reported it first that I saw on twitter Oct 13 23:14:38 fox reported it? then it must be true Oct 13 23:14:40 Occupy_Boston has since responded via twitter. Oct 13 23:14:43 Fox lies Oct 13 23:14:48 Salute those who serve! Oct 13 23:14:50 CNN to Oct 13 23:14:52 someone needs to set the record straight with the media Oct 13 23:15:06 * OccupyBoston097 (~OccupyBos@91-945-569-407.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 23:15:07 OB already did. Oct 13 23:15:09 Via twitter. Oct 13 23:15:15 Media does pay attention to Twitter. Oct 13 23:15:19 * OccupyBoston417 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 23:15:21 * OccupyBoston152 (~OccupyBos@oypu-93-90-520-3.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 23:15:23 * gregeh (~textual@174.6.mh.sjo) has left #occupyboston (Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/) Oct 13 23:15:31 Guys I know it sounds radical but at some point we must become socialist. A finite planet cannot support infinite growth... is this the time? Oct 13 23:15:36 Aliens are socialist Oct 13 23:15:41 we'll do the same thing that Fox did when tea party members spit on Congress-" If you don't have video, it didn't happen" Oct 13 23:15:50 * OccupyBoston152 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 23:15:56 we already are socialist, just watered down because people are afraid of the word Oct 13 23:16:21 we need to be better socialists Oct 13 23:16:30 Somehow people think that socialism is unconstitutional. one may not like it, but it's perfectly legal Oct 13 23:16:30 Frank, you're right. OB doesn't all know it yet, but they're groping toward social anarchism. Oct 13 23:17:08 We need to fire deval patrick Oct 13 23:17:16 and get who? Oct 13 23:17:20 * Ren shrugs* Realize exactly what Anarchism is, Jay_Guevara Oct 13 23:17:25 we need to fire menino Oct 13 23:17:30 yes Oct 13 23:17:43 recall mumbles Oct 13 23:17:47 * StarCrossed has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 13 23:17:54 the protesters sounding like communists? Most of the protesters are not thinking they are going to bring down wall street, most of them don't expect their debt to be cleared of them, most of them don't even imagine they will ever see billions of dollars, all they are saying is that the greed that wall street and major corporations has been pulling off needs to fucking stop. They are getting richer while we're all get Oct 13 23:17:55 fire scott brown, elect elizabeth warren Oct 13 23:17:56 OBH: In the 80's I could share a 2-bed rm appt in nice subhurb with all utils for under $200/month. Today you cant get into a slum for under $1500 Oct 13 23:17:59 * ywwg has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) Oct 13 23:18:00 Antisec for Prez 2012! Oct 13 23:18:15 O.o3 Oct 13 23:18:26 and also just because I wasn't clear on the greed, it's not just old fashioned greed these corporations are pulling off, it's also completely illegal and no one has been brought to justice for it. People get prison time for selling marijuana to make ends meat, for stealing to feed families and all these hot shots up on their balconies of wall street drinking champagne while the protesters march just shrug it all off a Oct 13 23:18:28 Jay, you live in Boston...? Oct 13 23:18:32 can we occupy more MA towns? Oct 13 23:19:00 * OccupyBoston743 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 23:19:13 Occupy Cape Cod friday Oct 13 23:19:18 * OccupyBoston514 (~OccupyBos@o-71-594-58-200.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 23:19:31 hyannis? Oct 13 23:19:34 where on cape cod? Oct 13 23:19:37 Yes Oct 13 23:19:43 OBH: What happened? Why did things change so that to just have the basics you go under water? ... Hint: "Follow the money" Oct 13 23:19:46 sagamore bridge? Oct 13 23:19:48 Hyannis and Falmouht Oct 13 23:19:51 * OccupyBoston514 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 23:19:55 * OccupyBoston303 (~OccupyBos@204.45.ops.wur) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 23:20:10 BosstonFrank: That's true. Housing is absurd. Oct 13 23:20:12 down by the mall in hyannis i hear Oct 13 23:20:21 I live in Beverly/Salem, which reminds me ...... What does everybody think about OccupySalem? We gots the hot Goth chicks and major PR around Halloween Oct 13 23:20:31 im gong to boston tomorrow to check it all out then I am going to start occupy wall street in Gardner Ma Oct 13 23:20:36 Im in danvis! Oct 13 23:20:45 well it is all about the hot chicks, afterall Oct 13 23:20:59 OccupyDanversport? Oct 13 23:21:05 I want to occupy framingham Oct 13 23:21:09 im going into boston tomorrow, but does anyone know of anything in rhode island? Oct 13 23:21:09 occupy salem common Oct 13 23:21:17 Occupy Gardner Oct 13 23:21:23 weston has a nice green Oct 13 23:21:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @sdoccupy: Retweet We have less than 4 hours to get all structures out of camp please come please help #OccupySD #OccupyBoston #osd #occupywallst - http://twitter.com/TeddyPancake/statuses/124685861320278016 Oct 13 23:21:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @openmediaboston: respect RT @elizadushku: #MadLove for my #Boston peeps. "@angle_man: @elizadushku you should check the #occupyboston hashtag" - http://twitter.com/apeywoo/statuses/124685873504731136 Oct 13 23:21:27 where the fuck is gardner Oct 13 23:21:28 Bfrank...78' everything was cheaper. Im also here to see if this group has anything worthwhile to preach but im coming up short...or maybe you are? Oct 13 23:21:45 Lexington Green? Oct 13 23:21:52 good idea Oct 13 23:22:09 * OccupyBoston097 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 23:22:09 hater, you won't like anything I have to say Oct 13 23:22:10 I've thought a lot about Salem common. Everybody would hate us if we step on the Oct tourism...so what about occupying the willows? Oct 13 23:22:11 Occupy Revere,Chelsea, Lynn, Lawrence.Lowell, etc. Oct 13 23:22:32 i say you occupy the Atlantic ocean. i'll take each one of your out to see on my boat, free one way trip. you like free, no? Oct 13 23:22:34 As long as we keep these protests peaceful there is no need for anyone to say we cant do them Oct 13 23:22:40 OBH -- I think people have offered some valid points for you. What would you like to hear? Oct 13 23:22:41 *sea Oct 13 23:22:45 The willows has space, parking, and restrooms Oct 13 23:22:48 lets hear it. Oct 13 23:23:21 Hi OBHater. No hard feelings, cousin Oct 13 23:23:27 OBHater, Banks need to be regulated, bailouts need to end, things like solyndra should never happen, we need campaign finance reform or at least transparency, end corporate personhood, under the current model foreign governments can influence US politics Oct 13 23:23:29 gardner is in worcester county Oct 13 23:23:32 * sigmoid (~brandon@y-95-15-103-59.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 23:23:34 in 1984: 2-bdrm nice subhurb, off street pkg. want to "T" heat, hot water, phone, gas, & electric. $200/month. You could save and invest and grow & work to built a future life. Greed has taken that opportunity away Oct 13 23:23:48 * Dave has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 23:23:59 we need leftyfb to give some tough love to OBHater :( Oct 13 23:24:00 Hater is sad since his ewe left him. Oct 13 23:24:15 we should take up a collection and buy him another one. Oct 13 23:24:33 hello Oct 13 23:24:36 lol Oct 13 23:24:45 Baaaaaaaaaaaad Hater! Oct 13 23:24:49 At least OBH is being honest. He just got blinders on. Oct 13 23:24:50 hello sigmoid Oct 13 23:24:55 OBHater, if you were here I'd ive you a great big hug! Oct 13 23:25:02 We need to stay in Boston or else we will get no publicity Oct 13 23:25:06 I'm interested in getting involved with OB, should I just show up downtown? Oct 13 23:25:08 And I'd give you some woolite. Oct 13 23:25:14 sig, Yes Oct 13 23:25:14 LOL @ Sigmoid. Oct 13 23:25:21 sigmoid: please join us Oct 13 23:25:21 russell simmons offers to pay for the cleanup of the park in NYC Oct 13 23:25:37 amazing Oct 13 23:25:40 yes Sig -- show up -- bring friends -- Oct 13 23:25:51 im coming to boston tomorrow Oct 13 23:25:57 same Oct 13 23:26:13 * mojooccupy has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 13 23:26:14 ill be the guy bringing a bunch of apples Oct 13 23:26:22 Im 'testin tomorrow night after work for a bit and all day saturday Oct 13 23:26:22 if people want to meet up I can meet up with people Oct 13 23:26:34 I'll be there when I get back from Illinois Oct 13 23:26:38 Ill meet up with you ;) Oct 13 23:26:43 lol Oct 13 23:27:07 OBS: These people ask why that has changed so drastically, That change chokes the life out of people so the few can line their pockets and the govt policies work against the people Oct 13 23:27:07 * ywwg (~owen@f-21-044-99-506.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 23:27:18 banks are regulated. no one is holding a gun to the head of folks to sign a mortgage they cant afford. still havent seen or heard anything that backs your cause. Night folks, i have to get up at 5 am to go to work, not for 15 minutes of fame. Oct 13 23:27:21 Look for a guy with a badass mustache Oct 13 23:27:41 OBH no offense but you have to be an idiot regarding the loans Oct 13 23:27:44 Goatee for the win. Oct 13 23:27:50 * OccupyBoston893 (~OccupyBos@16-97-72-81.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 23:27:59 full beard > * facial hair Oct 13 23:28:00 people pay 500k for a house that has been devalued to 350k and the rates on that 500k are just going up Oct 13 23:28:12 obh: peace keep thinking too Oct 13 23:28:13 do you tolerate many trolls in this channel? Oct 13 23:28:20 really? i just refinanced at 3.18%....down from 6. Oct 13 23:28:22 Let's just take one issue--should one child have more of an advantage than another in education just because he was smart enough to pick the right parents Oct 13 23:28:25 I'm bringing goodies for the non-vegetarians next time I come down. I've injected country-style pork ribs with snapple apple, am marinating them in a apple cider/salt brine, then slow-cooking them for 7 hours. The sauce will be apple butter-based, and trust me, they'll rock Oct 13 23:28:27 sigmoid: generally leftyfb disposes of them quickly Oct 13 23:28:37 * huxley (~hux@77-458-302-495.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 23:28:38 SOOO!, you house devalues and that is the BANKS fault?? Oct 13 23:28:38 but we don't have enough mods to keep them in check all night Oct 13 23:28:40 You must have great credit because they make you jump through hoops to refinance Oct 13 23:28:43 OBH is a Bill O'Reilly fan "no one is holding a gun to the head of folks to sign a mortgage they cant afford." Oct 13 23:28:44 I have news for everyone.... Oct 13 23:29:00 You've all just lost the game. Oct 13 23:29:00 Yes if the banks get bailed out because of all their tocix debt and bring down the whole market? YES Oct 13 23:29:05 * MTDew (tuaepn@mzv28.chatmosphere.org) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 23:29:05 LOL @ ob303, not true but thats funny Oct 13 23:29:23 Hater is scared to show up and have his preconceived notions proven false Oct 13 23:29:27 "don't feed the fucking bears" Oct 13 23:29:35 ignore the troll... Oct 13 23:29:50 show up, i walk by you sleepy heads every morning at 6:15am Oct 13 23:29:54 GenKreton, Aww, but they're so cuddl OMG MY FACE! Oct 13 23:29:57 If hater shows up I'll treat him to the best pork ribs he's ever eaten Oct 13 23:29:58 * OccupyBoston205 (~OccupyBos@lnym-401-71-09-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 23:30:02 haha Ren Oct 13 23:30:02 Im peacing out people. see you all tomorrow Oct 13 23:30:13 g'night TheTiffn8r Oct 13 23:30:13 what time does the Green line start? Oct 13 23:30:24 who do you work for, hate man? Oct 13 23:30:26 Jay thanks for bringing meat to OB Oct 13 23:30:26 * TheTiffn8r has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 23:30:33 its like the second coming of christ Oct 13 23:30:46 Keep talking to those like OBS, The arguments are sound! some will hear and realize Oct 13 23:30:46 MTDew: 5:15-5:30 am Oct 13 23:30:48 thats my part time job, Oct 13 23:30:50 Milwaukee evens the series Oct 13 23:30:54 depends on the stop Oct 13 23:31:07 Yay milwauke! Oct 13 23:31:09 sound? you guys are talking about sleeping bags and ribs? Oct 13 23:31:19 thanks genkreton, going to be getting on riverside Oct 13 23:31:32 MTDew: riverside is the earliest start time Oct 13 23:31:33 would like to get the 1st one out Oct 13 23:31:36 being a terminal station Oct 13 23:31:44 so 5:00-5:15 Oct 13 23:31:45 awesome Oct 13 23:32:05 thank you for joining us! Oct 13 23:32:09 Hater, my ribs will convince you to march with us Oct 13 23:32:22 what is happening in New York? Oct 13 23:32:23 I'm stoked Oct 13 23:32:31 OccupyBoston205: all silent until 7 am Oct 13 23:32:44 * OccupyBoston205 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 23:33:10 * OccupyBoston893 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 13 23:33:24 I work 16hr days.... take care of elderly parents... continuously study in my field... snd find time to support this cause... Proud American worker.. Very proud to find that there are the people who Occupy Oct 13 23:33:37 right on BostonFrank Oct 13 23:33:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: another great idea! @jlr_ I just donated 50$=126 meals to Grtr Bstn Fd Bank in honor of #OccupyBoston-Do the same & show 'em that we care! - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124687294392311808 Oct 13 23:33:39 * OccupyBoston172 (~OccupyBos@m-38-62-85-163.hsd2.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 23:33:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @OriginalDiggs absolutely! You can donate directly to Greater Boston Food Bank in our honor (or not in our honor, whichever you prefer). - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124688191910445056 Oct 13 23:34:16 Do you think that this chat is monitored by Menino et al? Oct 13 23:34:18 * OccupyBoston172 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 23:34:36 Of course it's monitored Oct 13 23:34:40 I would assume so, whether or not it is true, to be safe. Oct 13 23:34:51 They must really be getting bored Oct 13 23:34:54 Monitored? of course. His scfreen name is OBH Oct 13 23:34:55 See frank is part of your issue folks...he works 16 hours a day, that means he is taking a job away from one of you....frank that sounds greedy (like a bank, right?), you should only work 8 hours and hire one of these homeys Oct 13 23:34:56 Boston, 16 hrs? Are you in the medical field? Oct 13 23:35:00 Hey Menino! You Oct 13 23:35:04 are ugly, Oct 13 23:35:13 and you mumble Oct 13 23:35:15 303: OBH types too well to be Menino. Oct 13 23:35:27 I'd expect more typos. Oct 13 23:35:30 We're not going home, Mumbles! Oct 13 23:35:33 lol @ this troll OBHater Oct 13 23:35:35 after his assault on labor, he can sit back and not worry about trying for another term, it won't happen Oct 13 23:35:49 time to kick OBH Oct 13 23:35:50 Hey Menino! This is your legacy! Oct 13 23:35:52 As for BPD, it'd be silly for them to not have someone in here. Oct 13 23:36:16 I don't think Menino would be smart enough to send someone, but BPD would. Oct 13 23:36:21 ttuttle|offsite: still here? Oct 13 23:36:33 sadly enough menino supports you Oct 13 23:36:41 Hi BPD! Donuts to the people! Oct 13 23:36:45 BPD: Save the taxpayers some money. It doesn't take a lot of cops to watch people talking, unless you're worried about them being bored to death Oct 13 23:36:50 I am online but not at Dewey. Oct 13 23:36:52 ttuttle|offsite: can you type "/kickban *@*22-379-67-646.bos.east.verizon.net" without the quotes :D Oct 13 23:37:04 Menino doesn't support us Oct 13 23:37:12 sure he does Oct 13 23:37:16 ttuttle|offsite: OBHater is way too much of a useless troll Oct 13 23:37:23 wow, you dont even know who your lovers are Oct 13 23:37:28 Why are you here, Hater? Do we fascinate you? Oct 13 23:37:38 Does Menino eat alot of peanut butter? because it always sounds like he just ate peanut butter Oct 13 23:37:42 * OccupyBoston373 (~OccupyBos@609-537-530-07.c7-7.hdp-ubr2.sbo-hdp.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 23:37:43 so folks, i want to recap before i leave, what i learned if you will? Oct 13 23:37:53 * OccupyBoston373 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 23:37:58 Talking to OBHater will just make it stay longer, folks. Let's find more productive conversation =D Oct 13 23:38:04 Yes but we know who your lovers are. They are being made into mutton, and served with mint jelly. Oct 13 23:38:15 Tomorrow I'm picking up five folding function tables! Hooray for me~! Oct 13 23:38:15 Menino is a smooth operator (no amature in use of media), He is not the fight.!... Stay focused on the main concerns. Stay on bigger topics than him. Sue him on 1st amendment after we've changed the supreme court. Oct 13 23:38:33 Awesome, Jay_Guevara! Well done. Oct 13 23:38:45 * ttuttle|offsite has kicked OBHater from #occupyboston (OBHater) Oct 13 23:38:56 * ttuttle|offsite sets ban on *!*@*22-379-67-646.bos.east.verizon.net Oct 13 23:39:01 thanks ttuttle|offsite Oct 13 23:39:04 np Oct 13 23:39:12 here's a tip: Ask for stuff on freecycle.com Oct 13 23:39:12 We won't change the supreme court unless one of the asshole 4.5 do us the favor of resigning or croaking Oct 13 23:39:24 Thx ttuttle Oct 13 23:39:25 Have a good night. Oct 13 23:39:29 Ok guys Im out, see you all tomorrow Oct 13 23:39:32 We can kick people off? Oct 13 23:39:32 OccupyBoston303: np Oct 13 23:39:37 g'night Tracy_home Oct 13 23:39:39 you can't; ops can. Oct 13 23:39:42 * Frank has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 23:39:48 * Tracy_home (~trcmoscat@a-19-263-330-778.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 13 23:39:51 (I am happy to kick people by consensus :) Oct 13 23:40:00 * GenKreton needs to suck up a lot more and get ops to help with that... Oct 13 23:40:02 we, meaning the collective wonderful supporters of OB Oct 13 23:40:14 Thanks (belatedly) for kicking, ttuttle Oct 13 23:40:19 you're welcome Oct 13 23:40:20 thanks tuttle Oct 13 23:40:31 Tuttle, from Brazil Tuttle? Oct 13 23:40:35 >.< Oct 13 23:40:39 no Oct 13 23:40:41 so can OWS really get shutdown? Oct 13 23:40:43 That was bUTTLE Oct 13 23:40:47 or is that rumors Oct 13 23:40:50 I mean Oct 13 23:40:55 if the cops come in with enough guns and stuff Oct 13 23:40:59 yes, they can get rid of everyone :P Oct 13 23:41:00 DeNiro was Tuttle. Buttle got killed Oct 13 23:41:14 I support OBS's right to participate in discussion... We cant just be a mutual admiration society here.. the arguments are sound.. don't fear or resent the people who dont share our viewpoint... try to enlighten them Oct 13 23:41:21 so the NYers are staying put Oct 13 23:41:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @ZeeScarlet: I just donated to the $25 to the Greater Boston Food Bank. http://t.co/TCsamS83 in #occupyboston 's name! <3 You guys. Solidarity! - http://twitter.com/OccupyBostonBot/statuses/124691108184866816 Oct 13 23:41:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Occupy_Boston: another great idea! @jlr_ I just donated 50$=126 meals to Grtr Bstn Fd Bank in honor of #OccupyBoston-Do the same & show 'em that we care! - http://twitter.com/BriesMama/statuses/124691108373602304 Oct 13 23:41:35 * MTDew has quit (Quit: Chatmosphere for Blackberry) Oct 13 23:41:48 I want people who disagree. But when he offered to dump us all in the ocean, he lost me. Oct 13 23:41:53 * Plantiful (~Plantiful@cath-832-14-16-40.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 23:42:07 I took a walk in the mtn dew today... Oct 13 23:42:20 And there's a real difference between an OB Opposer and an OB Hater Oct 13 23:42:21 morning dew Oct 13 23:42:23 There's a difference between informed discussion and trolling; the former being a necessity. You're absolutely right in that we can't alienate people. Oct 13 23:43:00 We have already alienated people by our mere existence Oct 13 23:43:08 How dare we think differently? Oct 13 23:43:17 * OccupyBoston389 (~OccupyBos@wijiajui.bc.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 23:43:19 DanglingMan: so we can't afford to alienate more by being douchey ;) Oct 13 23:43:22 I understand, Frank, But after a certain point when someone is just drawing attention to themselves and refusing to respond to specific responses to his concerns, then it's time for them to go. Oct 13 23:43:35 Gotta approach gently when we can, ignore or shout when we must. Oct 13 23:43:36 He wanted to dump us in the ocean. Oct 13 23:43:45 alright friends, I need to hit the sleeping bag, good night, and solidarity! Oct 13 23:43:51 Night, Gen Oct 13 23:43:55 where is occupy boston at? Oct 13 23:44:01 Dewey Square Oct 13 23:44:02 our argument may fall on many deaf ears & frustrate us... yet to realize change we have to wake more people from their delusions Oct 13 23:44:03 Dewey Sq Oct 13 23:44:11 * OccupyBoston389 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 13 23:44:21 * Jay_Guevara has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 23:44:48 There are loads of parents about to leave the middle class because of the cost of educating their children. We need to get our info to them. Oct 13 23:45:15 389 -- go to South Station -- look for tents Oct 13 23:45:30 Hah! Good directions, 303. Oct 13 23:45:35 * axb21 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 13 23:45:35 Hadn't thought to put it that way. Oct 13 23:45:36 * axb211 (~abucci@evy3333d9.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 23:46:35 Every last one of the "top 10" universities is private Oct 13 23:46:57 Who is #11? Oct 13 23:47:07 DK Oct 13 23:47:21 Berkeley is not Private Oct 13 23:47:35 Berkeley isn't in the top 10 anymore. Oct 13 23:47:44 And there aren't enough berkeleys Oct 13 23:47:45 it is in my book Oct 13 23:47:55 the top 10 is BS, but it is followed Oct 13 23:48:02 It is in my book, too Oct 13 23:48:11 Berkeley School of Music? Oct 13 23:48:16 haha Oct 13 23:48:29 great music school Oct 13 23:48:36 Have to crash out.... Up & out to work at 5am.. work till 6 or 7pm, ... then visit the folks, to help them in their dying days ... folks are my (greatest Blessing). then come out here..... then early Sat do laundry then OCCUPY Boston! Oct 13 23:48:47 G'night Frank Oct 13 23:48:49 Stay safe Oct 13 23:49:02 buona notte Oct 13 23:49:17 keep the shiny sid up, frank Oct 13 23:49:27 side* Oct 13 23:49:38 Sid, too. Sid wants to be happy Oct 13 23:49:41 Peace... Justice.... Power to the People! .... Right On ! Oct 13 23:50:00 g-night good people Oct 13 23:50:10 * BostonFrank (~BostonFra@otff-35-388-975-847.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 13 23:50:45 what's the weather there now? Oct 13 23:51:20 * Chris (~Chris@vmrd-07-987-23-427.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 23:51:22 Folks -- strongly recommend this video: http://front.moveon.org/the-most-powerful-occupywallstreet-clip-you-will-see-this-month/ Oct 13 23:51:47 * OccupyBoston768 (~OccupyBos@918-44-79-933-bzleszu4i.bu.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 13 23:52:26 or more easily use tiny url: http://tinyurl.com/3u7944u Oct 13 23:52:46 * huxley is now known as atavistian Oct 13 23:52:52 Great video OB303, thank you! Oct 13 23:53:28 Tweet that video everywhere Oct 13 23:54:07 is what i'm seeing on the livestream from NY? Oct 13 23:55:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @steveherskovitz I would call the food bank and ask, if I were you. It's midnight now- otherwise I'd call for you. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124694608667099136 Oct 13 23:55:50 * DanglingMan has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 13 23:56:15 * yuriwho has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 13 23:56:38 OSW livestream can't be current -- video is in daylight Oct 13 23:57:59 Great video... hard to tell the difference between the Mid-East and the US Oct 13 23:58:35 it's vey well done and very intense. Oct 13 23:59:24 Welcome to the United Corporations of America.... I hope that you can help get our country back. Oct 14 00:00:21 United Corporations of America...that about sums it up Oct 14 00:00:34 overturn citizens united Oct 14 00:00:58 second that Oct 14 00:01:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @AyeshaKazmi: Watching that triggered memories of #OccupyBoston the other night when riot cops denied a medic wanting to provide someone with an inhaler - http://twitter.com/Nukirk/statuses/124696022210457600 Oct 14 00:01:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @YourAnonNews please RT. Hey boston, I'm gonna be there this coming week for work. Where's a effective place to join in? #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/DarkLordofIT/statuses/124696034470404096 Oct 14 00:01:40 [Occupy Boston] Occupy Wall Street Will Remain in Liberty Plaza - http://occupyboston.com/2011/10/13/occupy-wall-street-will-remain-in-liberty-plaza/ Oct 14 00:03:00 * ywwg has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) Oct 14 00:04:04 that needs to be done, definitely. Rep Donna Edwards has filed a bill to do just that (overturn Citizens United): http://www.truth-out.org/house-amendment-reverse-citizens-united-ruling-meets-mixed-support/1318437164 Oct 14 00:05:01 letterman is talking with oreiley about ows Oct 14 00:05:07 Looks like O Denver is being evicted tonight. Oct 14 00:05:20 Letterman interviewing Bill O'Reilly... Oct 14 00:05:29 * OccupyBoston047 (~OccupyBos@o-366-0-32-763.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 00:05:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Just FYI, the food drive we planned at our first GA for Halloween night will not be cancelled. This one will be in addition to that one. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124695998974017536 Oct 14 00:05:42 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @steveherskovitz well, for me personally, I think what's useful to us isn't so important here. Better to think about the food bank's needs. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124697155616260096 Oct 14 00:06:31 letterman supports occupy Oct 14 00:07:18 was anyone here at GA tonight? Oct 14 00:07:23 * TheMamboKing (~themambok@51.297.258.39.cfl.res.rr.com) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 00:07:35 * spacechip has quit (Quit: spacechip) Oct 14 00:07:40 still trying to find out if the shopping trip DA was proposed and what the result was Oct 14 00:08:38 * Mike_offsite (~Mike_offs@64.119.skx.lt) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 00:09:52 * Chris has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 00:11:03 Hi OB! How are things going? Oct 14 00:11:22 * calliope has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 00:11:32 Hiya Mike Oct 14 00:11:36 anyone watching the OWS livestream Oct 14 00:11:41 shits gonna get real soon Oct 14 00:11:42 http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution Oct 14 00:11:49 linking arms Oct 14 00:11:56 cops in riot gear moving in soon Oct 14 00:14:21 Has 7 am deadline changed? Oct 14 00:14:56 * OccupyBoston192 (~OccupyBos@eqbz-1-78-19-j8-b7-2d.cpe.beld.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 00:15:05 hm sorry i think that link is playing an old video? Oct 14 00:15:06 not sure Oct 14 00:15:15 * OccupyBoston192 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 00:15:38 NY seems to be alright for now, from everything i've seen Oct 14 00:16:04 I can't grab the globalrev stream right now to check that, but twitter and texts aren't making me worry overly Oct 14 00:16:08 still got some hours left. Oct 14 00:16:42 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @mandylouxox: @OccupyWallSt and @Occupy_Boston @OccupyGlobally definitely check out what's going on in #occupydenver http://t.co/a3M ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124697381819265025 Oct 14 00:16:43 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @bostoncheddah we can find no one at Occupy Boston who did the spitting, nor can anyone at the Coast Guard. Soooo.....? - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124699430401228800 Oct 14 00:17:08 yea i was reading this http://twitter.com/#!/joshharkinson Oct 14 00:17:14 I doubt we'll see a repeat of the "occupy boston massacre" I suspect we will see case by case removal of tarps and sleeping bags in NYC Oct 14 00:17:22 and 2 hours ago i guess cops came Oct 14 00:17:25 but left Oct 14 00:17:32 oh man its gonna get reeallll ugly tommrow Oct 14 00:17:39 they wont let sleeping bags in or tents Oct 14 00:17:44 harkinson is a machiiiiiiiine, dude has been awake since about March Oct 14 00:17:44 in nyc Oct 14 00:17:54 haha Oct 14 00:18:00 but yeah, NYC looks to be getting ugly tomorrow. Oct 14 00:18:11 wish i could head down there but am broke Oct 14 00:18:14 Denver looked like it was getting ugly but has apparently chilled out a bit now. Oct 14 00:18:26 They'll target the specific things OWS needs to keep the infrastructure. I hope we hold it. WS is the symbolic center of the movement Oct 14 00:18:40 I'm surprised NYC cops r doing it during morning news shows Oct 14 00:19:32 Morning news shows won't give a damn, and by the time there's live coverage everyone will be commuting to work Oct 14 00:20:00 I still think it's a huge mistake on Bloomberg's part, granted. Oct 14 00:20:16 * siegfail has quit (Quit: Bye) Oct 14 00:20:18 russel simmons said he would pay for clean up if they didnt move in haha Oct 14 00:20:28 * axb211 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 14 00:20:31 * moonunitzappa1 is now known as moonunitzappa Oct 14 00:20:37 simmons is at owsnyc now, just got there. Oct 14 00:20:45 * axb21 (~abucci@mjv5214f3.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 00:21:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @universalhub Be easier to catch these slimeballs that rob women, if the Police weren't tied up watching filthy hipsters. #OccupyBoston - http://twitter.com/JoeyDips/statuses/124701073511419904 Oct 14 00:21:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @kade_ellis: Scene from the GA stage at #occupyboston tonight. http://t.co/yE9QM2Vz Check the writing on the wall. http://t.co/z8Taym1o - http://twitter.com/LostPhrack/statuses/124701100979929088 Oct 14 00:23:26 * OccupyBoston613 (~OccupyBos@ypeqlfqxix.cluster-h.websense.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 00:23:26 * OccupyBoston303 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 00:24:46 Teachers union endorses OB Oct 14 00:24:54 * Ritual_Silence (~Ritual_Si@xlue-97-688-90-32.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 00:25:00 sends 500 dollars in food supplies Oct 14 00:25:19 Seems like most of the government officials and police have not read the Bill of Rights recently. Seems like they are using the "no camping" rules in clear violation of this Right. Oct 14 00:25:21 * OccupyBoston613 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 00:26:53 * Ritual_Silence (~Ritual_Si@xlue-97-688-90-32.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 00:27:18 * Fight_The_Power (~Fight_The@xlue-97-688-90-32.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 00:27:59 Any idea what is going to happen over the weekend? I plan on trekking up to Boston to spend the day Monday Oct 14 00:28:14 "how much do you like the first amendment?" http://radlife.org/radlife/?p=68 Oct 14 00:28:42 * OccupyBoston543 (~OccupyBos@m-97-613-122-763.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 00:29:38 * gene (~gene@m-61-872-791-771.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 00:30:13 * OccupyBoston543 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 00:30:44 Awesome post, Mike. Oct 14 00:30:44 * OccupyEverything has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 00:30:52 * rydyc has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 00:30:59 Thanks. Y'all are an inspiration. <3 Oct 14 00:31:10 Pass it on to Denver: http://www.9news.com/dontmiss/224539/630/CSP-prepares-to-enforce-curfew-on-campers Oct 14 00:31:12 * occupunx has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 14 00:32:36 * OccupyBoston162 (~OccupyBos@r-97-703-773-66.hsd2.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 00:33:01 u guys sleeping Oct 14 00:33:17 * Fight_The_Power has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 00:33:20 I hope not, otherwise this dream is lame. Oct 14 00:33:57 are you located across south staton ? Oct 14 00:34:13 * cykros (~cykros@424-998-409-471.c1-8.wtr-ubr4.sbo-wtr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 00:34:38 The camp's by south station, yeah Oct 14 00:34:54 (i am not there) Oct 14 00:37:05 * Plantiful has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 00:37:38 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @katrina_delaney: there is a student general assembly tomorrow, friday the 14th from 5 to 8pm dewey square @Occupy_Boston @StudentsOc ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124703737641041920 Oct 14 00:38:24 * MediaTent (~MediaTent@50.12.rzo.ju) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 00:38:52 * Kizniche has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 00:38:53 MediaTent: any word on if the proposal to go on a massive "shopping trip" to the prudential mall got brought up at the GA? Oct 14 00:39:07 * atavistian has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 14 00:39:16 and of course, if it got passed? Oct 14 00:39:31 i'm kind of trying to work out my scheduling for Sunday Oct 14 00:39:38 and doubt i'll be able to make it back out there until then Oct 14 00:40:09 No idea media tent was pretty busy durring GA so i didnt get a chance to hear everything Oct 14 00:40:36 sorry Oct 14 00:40:48 * OccupyBoston850 (~OccupyBos@633-79-36-740-cbkxexl3q.bu.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 00:40:51 ahh, all right. yea, i know you guys always stay busy. thanks. Oct 14 00:41:19 * OccupyBoston850 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 00:41:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @eheat: "An unjust law is itself a species of violence. Arrest for its breach is more so." - Gandhi #OWS #OccupyBoston #OccupySD #OccupyDenver - http://twitter.com/occupySYDNEY/statuses/124705871031828480 Oct 14 00:41:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @eheat: "An unjust law is itself a species of violence. Arrest for its breach is more so." - Gandhi #OWS #OccupyBoston #OccupySD #OccupyDenver - http://twitter.com/TrioxideJL/statuses/124705978162757632 Oct 14 00:44:03 * OccupyBoston555 (~OccupyBos@kxdqd-rkw-an16.proxy.aol.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 00:44:40 you guys need to clarify your mission to the public, a clear stated mission and I think you guys will be on to something Oct 14 00:46:08 * OccupyBoston555 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 00:46:20 * Shidash (~Shidash@r-88-461-552-58.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 00:46:40 * ross (~user@g-21-05-838-876.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 00:46:42 * OccupyBoston047 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 00:48:39 OB555 we are workinf on it every niht Oct 14 00:49:05 Sorry, typing in the dark = more typos than usual and less desire to fix them Oct 14 00:49:41 Speaking of our mission, we REALLY need to update our passed resolutions page. Looking at you mediatent ;) Oct 14 00:50:54 * LetThemBeHeard (~LetThemBe@o-366-0-32-763.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 00:51:48 * yuriwho (~yuriwho@w93-81-55-785.home2.cgocable.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 00:51:55 working on it Oct 14 00:52:24 * OccupyBoston987 (~OccupyBos@ufdw-16-231-730-839.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 00:52:24 * ZanzibarMan has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 00:53:14 * OccupyBoston653 (~OccupyBos@npcm-47-758-175-49.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 00:53:30 * OccupyBoston653 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 00:54:10 is there presently are sort of push for clearly outlining specific grievances? Oct 14 00:54:11 its on the TO DO list for tomorow Oct 14 00:54:27 Thanks. I say it with love. I'm just concerened we're a week out of date and that is something we can point to when someone asks what we stand for Oct 14 00:54:31 thats was to mike BTW Oct 14 00:54:40 Our internet radio program (netroots radio) will be doing a call in discussion show from midnight eastern tonight till 3 am depending on interest about occupy wall street. We'd like it if someone from the park would call us from a cell phone to relay the scene on the ground. Please let me know if anyone is interested. We are a progressive political radio station founded by community members from Daily Kos. http://www.dailykos.com/ Oct 14 00:54:40 story/2011/10/14/1026206/-Your-OWS-Stories!-Live!-Right-Now!?via=siderecent Oct 14 00:55:31 letthembeheard we are working on consensus around the issues. statements will have to follow agreement Oct 14 00:56:04 Is there a timeline for a statement? Oct 14 00:56:07 it's also just as important we articulate what we're FOR as it is to outline what we're against Oct 14 00:56:30 * OccupyBoston821 (~OccupyBos@z-70-56-688-26.hsd2.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 00:56:39 no, there is no rush. As it is, the movement is growing, so the curiosity doesn't seem to be a problem Oct 14 00:57:11 LetThemBeHeard: there is a project working on it. if it's not yet up, it will be up soon at occupyboston.wikispaces.com Oct 14 00:57:17 that was voted on at last night's GA Oct 14 00:57:21 I support the movement, and it is true that it was not receiving media attention in the early stages. Oct 14 00:57:33 what is the schedule for Sat amd Sunday? Oct 14 00:57:36 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @IKnowTheWayOut did you try @OBLogistics ? - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124708041261199360 Oct 14 00:57:47 honestly, once we have that ONE DEFINITIVE STATEMENT everyone in the media is looking for, we lose a lot of our strength, which is that we are open to all ideas and not easy to pidgeonhole Oct 14 00:57:48 But it's receiving it now, and it would a failure to miss the opportunity Oct 14 00:58:08 the onion put out a good article today about that issue though Oct 14 00:58:22 saying the american people are waiting for us to state our specific purpose, so they can get to ignoring us Oct 14 00:58:22 * Shidash has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 00:58:32 and that they're paying attention only so they can figure out wtf we want. Oct 14 00:58:43 * OccupyBoston987 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 00:58:47 as usual with the onion, it seems like it may be one of the truest articles written about us yet. Oct 14 00:59:02 * caecilius (~caecilius@38-2.dhcp.emerson.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 00:59:18 * OccupyBoston821 (~OccupyBos@z-70-56-688-26.hsd2.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 00:59:24 Shalom, y'all/ Anyone from the IT team there? Oct 14 00:59:26 * OccupyBoston093 (~OccupyBos@899-7-81-658.c3-6.smr-ubr5.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 00:59:38 * OccupyBoston093 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 00:59:49 caecilius: that would be MediaTent Oct 14 00:59:49 * OccupyBoston827 (~OccupyBos@z-70-56-688-26.hsd2.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 00:59:50 * OccupyBoston322 (~OccupyBos@899-7-81-658.c3-6.smr-ubr5.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 01:00:11 Much of the general public doesn't seem to get the ideas at the heart of the movement, so people are filling in the blanks themselves or letting others do it. Oct 14 01:00:12 cykros: thanks Oct 14 01:00:22 though i'm a bit of a nerd myself when it comes to that kind of thing...i just have been focusing my energies elsewhere, realizing how little digital media can do compared with how much people assume it can Oct 14 01:00:29 * OccupyBoston827 (~OccupyBos@z-70-56-688-26.hsd2.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 01:00:56 not to say it isn't a game changer...but i've been looking at figuring out ways to do more with decision making online, and there really isn't an easy or reasonable way to go about doing it that i know of Oct 14 01:01:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @rjacksix Whoever said that should take a big whiff of #OccupyDC and #OccupyBoston. Besides they aren't (cont) http://t.co/tb03lB8W - http://twitter.com/GKH0lmes/statuses/124711024900317184 Oct 14 01:01:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Spitting on a female coast guard member? Stay classy #occupyboston. - http://twitter.com/bvkcitizen/statuses/124711039005753344 Oct 14 01:01:29 i was also contemplating setting up a webserver with a wiki or something that was ONLY on the local wifi network, with perhaps a VPN into the camp, for people at home, for working documents, to keep them out of the eye of the media and public at large Oct 14 01:01:37 of course, the problems with that that came up were numerous. Oct 14 01:02:01 least of which is the big problem that most people's eyes glaze over when you start talking about local networks that AREN'T the internet, and things like VPN's Oct 14 01:02:29 in any case though, I have been pushing people to educate themselves about things like TOR, which is the best thing to happen to free speech since the printing press Oct 14 01:02:48 well, tools like tor and i2p anyway Oct 14 01:04:07 yea but for the few people who do understand it, it would be immensely helpful Oct 14 01:04:18 * Jay_Guevara (~Jay_Gueva@klpu-60-36-482-811.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 01:04:31 cykros that onion article is spot-on Oct 14 01:04:36 a VPN would be great. although I don't see a benefit over a dropbox with shared credentials. Oct 14 01:04:54 caecilius: well, the point with something like a wiki is to crowdsource certain documents that may have matters of importance to the occupation as a whole. i'm not comfortable cutting people off like that. Oct 14 01:05:12 caecilius: heh, the lack of a need for shared credentials isn't one? Oct 14 01:05:33 a vpn can have separate user accounts for each person...you can then close accounts if they become abused Oct 14 01:05:37 instead of having to shut your whole system down. Oct 14 01:06:04 i mean, granted, we could just have a wiki with logins as well Oct 14 01:06:05 * axb21 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 14 01:06:12 cykros: hm. true. hadn't thought of that. Oct 14 01:06:25 with private areas. part of the issue is that you still have the problem of: "who do we let have access?" Oct 14 01:06:30 * OccupyBoston418 (~OccupyBos@199.94.qk.jq) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 01:06:31 right Oct 14 01:06:33 * OccupyBoston418 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 01:06:37 and if you say "everyone who wants it", then there's no point in locking it down Oct 14 01:06:55 and if you say anything else, it's alienating to people who want to take part. Oct 14 01:07:04 i mean, idk. it would work well for maybe an individual work group Oct 14 01:07:05 again, right on. there's no point in hiding it from anyone. Oct 14 01:07:13 but as far as the whole group goes...there's serious blocks to the process Oct 14 01:07:24 definitely Oct 14 01:07:38 caecilius: well, it was raised at last night's GA that our wiki going over working drafts for a statement of purpose may get misconstrued by media and other folks Oct 14 01:07:47 with people assuming that a working draft is representative of our whole group Oct 14 01:08:01 so the idea of having it locked down came to my mind Oct 14 01:08:36 ah i see. well then a disclaimer should be included at the beginning of every working draft in bright red massive text. Oct 14 01:08:54 what would be cool is if we could set up some kind of mass messaging system on site that didn't go out over the internet Oct 14 01:08:59 a local xmpp server or something of the sort Oct 14 01:09:15 anyone with smart phones could relay said messages to other folks in their vicinity Oct 14 01:09:28 but, frankly, I don't think the pervasiveness of the technology and the interface for it are there yet. Oct 14 01:09:30 hm. an interesting idea Oct 14 01:09:35 true Oct 14 01:10:08 heh, anyway, that's what i mean by the limits to the tech side of things. it seemed like a very promising thing at first, but in reality, the actual functionality is fairly limited. what it does aid, however, is reach of broadcast Oct 14 01:10:08 * Jay_Guevara has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 01:10:27 and that's where the livestream, reddit, irc, wordpress, and wiki have really shown their usefulness. Oct 14 01:10:47 sure, they're out in the open, but a lot of what we do is fine to conduct that way Oct 14 01:11:01 exactly. we have nothing to hide Oct 14 01:11:03 for individual affinity groups, it seems like it's really just up to them to use secure systems of their own choosing Oct 14 01:11:04 * crispusattucks has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 14 01:11:21 caecilius: heh, i'm not sure that's the case when it comes to things like direct action. Oct 14 01:11:40 even if they're to be done publically, sometimes you don't want to tip the police off ahead of time Oct 14 01:12:00 valid. Oct 14 01:12:00 * OccupyBoston162 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 01:12:34 my idea for a mass shopping trip to the prudential center is fine to discuss publicly, as if anything the police knowledge ahead of time may make it EASIER to accomplish the goal of shutting down the prudential mall. Oct 14 01:12:50 however, not all actions work out that way, nor would someone necessarily want to be known as the originator of a plan. Oct 14 01:13:24 idk. the tools are there for affinity groups that want them though. truecrypt, ssh, tor, pgp, etc are all your friend, when used correctly. Oct 14 01:13:57 * OccupyBoston621 (~OccupyBos@a-90-18-41-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 01:14:08 * OccupyBoston621 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 01:14:16 * crispusattucks (crispusatt@qkyzht.media.mit.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 01:14:55 IS ANYONE from occupy denver here? Oct 14 01:15:01 true Oct 14 01:16:02 anyway...it seems my big reason for being here tonight (finding out about the prudential shopping trip proposal that was hopefully at GA tonight) is not going to happen Oct 14 01:16:17 i should probably get some sleep, as I have to finally do some laundry and head to work tomorrow Oct 14 01:17:01 if anyone sees or hears anything about that proposal though, i'd appreciate a /msg about what the status of the planning is. Oct 14 01:18:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @nunchuckery: Any1 have a car and would like to BOS ---> NYC tonight for the 6AM @Bloomberg fiasco? I have another friend + gas mo ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124713392685580288 Oct 14 01:19:11 thats sweet, russle simons is going to be down at nyc tommrow to protest. dude rules Oct 14 01:19:39 * OccupyBoston815 (~OccupyBos@uu93-720-68-65.ri.ri.cox.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 01:19:50 * BigWhopper99 (~BigWhoppe@lsdb-48-104-05-234.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 01:20:02 * OccupyBoston815 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 01:20:38 * OccupyBoston419 (~OccupyBos@m-72-04-04-813.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 01:21:12 * LetThemBeHeard has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 01:21:12 * OccupyBoston784 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 01:21:24 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @kurtismarsh: just to confirm @Robarge @occupy_boston,intention was genuine, @Amandapalmer has HUGE following even me #occupyboston http://t.co/3IXVpbES - http://twitter.com/arsenicmicrobe/statuses/124716082190761984 Oct 14 01:21:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @qwerty4life: #OccupyBoston did not destroy a "food drive" - Menino chose to cancel it rather than move it to one of city's other 2,200 acres of parkland - http://twitter.com/Blackandpink99/statuses/124716102419877889 Oct 14 01:21:52 yep. AND...we have free food for anyone who wants it at the camp Oct 14 01:21:56 so there. Oct 14 01:21:58 :-P Oct 14 01:22:48 * OccupyBoston419 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 01:22:55 So we wanna do a documentary and trying to bolster support for OWS movements across the country...http://kck.st/nHFXbh...spread the word, ALSO, PLEASE RETWEET THE DEFEND WALL STREE FROM EVICTION TWEETS FLYING AROUND Oct 14 01:23:06 * OccupyBoston837 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 01:23:18 http://kck.st/nHFXbh correct link Oct 14 01:23:51 * Owen_Griffin (~Owen_Grif@128.119.pv.ly) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 01:23:57 Anybody here? Oct 14 01:24:04 yep Oct 14 01:24:06 cool! Oct 14 01:24:15 Hi owen Oct 14 01:24:24 I was thinking today about what direction this is going in, speaking in political terms Oct 14 01:24:35 anyone know if there is a denver livestream? Oct 14 01:24:39 i was just wondering if there is, as of yet, a consensus Oct 14 01:24:45 on where we stand Oct 14 01:24:58 I feel very alienated from the democratic party Oct 14 01:25:07 I would too Owen. Oct 14 01:25:10 but, i feel obliged to vote for them because I don't really see another option Oct 14 01:25:40 Well, next time you hit the polls, Mainstream Republicans and Mainstream Democrats all want the same thing Oct 14 01:25:44 POWER AND MONEY Oct 14 01:26:02 * Mischa (~Mischa@134.69.mjk.nw) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 01:26:10 And to carry out the agenda of some real scary and powerful people. Oct 14 01:26:12 I found a wikipedia article on the Progressive Party, known sometimes as the Bull Moose Party Oct 14 01:26:20 I would argue voting is one of the most marginal rights we have at this point. I personally would take Ron Paul over anyone else just because I think he is least establishment Oct 14 01:26:37 * moonunitzappa has quit (Quit: Leaving.) Oct 14 01:26:45 * moonunitzappa (~meek@f-38-801-938-52.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 01:26:53 He is indeed. But my fear is that with less government, the private sector and large corporations would have a greater ability to control our lives Oct 14 01:27:06 Suggestion Owen...check out ron paul. He is getting almost zero media attention but says some PRETTY AWESOME stuff, and he pretty much is one of the 99% when it comes down his political views Oct 14 01:27:21 I've read a bit about libertarianism Oct 14 01:27:34 but i'm way too socially liberal Oct 14 01:27:38 :P Oct 14 01:27:48 anyways, i'm intrigued by its ideas Oct 14 01:27:50 They run our lives THROUGH govt. Strip the govt of power, and they won't have that outlet. Give the govt just enough to regulate the corps and banks, especiall fed. Oct 14 01:27:56 the private sector already runs govt. Obama got oodles of Wall st Money Oct 14 01:28:04 Oh, I totally agree Oct 14 01:28:51 but the progressive party that I mentioned is also in favor of putting strict limits on coporate power Oct 14 01:28:57 corporate* Oct 14 01:28:58 It sounds like you and I are mostly in agreement Owen, I just think you're more concerned with mainstream politics than you need to be Oct 14 01:29:00 * caecilius has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 01:29:07 and limiting campaign contributions as well Oct 14 01:29:19 I have little faith in the ability of govt to regulate effectively Oct 14 01:30:17 I see where you're coming from. Oct 14 01:30:34 Owen we discussed that in here the other night. Limiting campaign contributions and slapping congressional regulation on lobbying...as in abolishing it...and candidates can only take public funds from the people, then the people fund who they like... Oct 14 01:30:58 Hey- I'm going to interject here and ask if any of you wonderful people happen to be students? Oct 14 01:31:08 I am Oct 14 01:31:08 I am not a student. I used to be. Oct 14 01:31:41 I am a student of OCCUPY-ism...and I want to FILM it...please share this...I will not share this link again tonight. I know how annoying that can be... http://kck.st/nHFXbh Oct 14 01:31:48 Negative Mischa I am an IT professional Oct 14 01:31:58 To Owen Griffin- where do you go? does you school have some sort of organization? I go to school in LA and we're trying to connect with students across the nation Oct 14 01:32:07 I'm at UMass Amherst Oct 14 01:32:08 Hiring mike. I ALMOST had a degree in computer science, I dont like cooking anymore. Oct 14 01:32:11 Wow we are under siege tonight all over the country Oct 14 01:32:21 * axb21 (~abucci@b423333o4.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 01:32:32 Whats the news mike? Oct 14 01:32:33 * sigmoid has quit (Quit: leaving) Oct 14 01:32:53 is there some group at umass? Oct 14 01:33:09 There is an occupy amherst group and an occupy umass Oct 14 01:33:18 Denver seattle and san antonio are all being moved against Oct 14 01:33:27 however, out in amherst its sort of like preaching to the converted Oct 14 01:33:30 but yeah i heard Oct 14 01:33:34 I met someone from OAmherst, Nice old lady Oct 14 01:33:34 this weekend is critical Oct 14 01:33:43 Amherst is a nice town Oct 14 01:33:48 MediaTent: you there? Oct 14 01:33:51 why is it so critical owen? Oct 14 01:33:52 in a good general area Oct 14 01:33:56 Mischa, did you happen to see Boston's COLLEGE OCCUPY link? Oct 14 01:33:57 http://collegesoccupyboston.com/ Oct 14 01:34:17 well i just feel that a lot happened last weekend that shocked quite a few people Oct 14 01:34:29 Mike: I am F'N so aggrivated with these cities.. Oct 14 01:34:30 not yet- thank you! i'm guessing its composed of the schools that held the student march Oct 14 01:34:39 Also NYC is getting evicted tomorrow Oct 14 01:34:54 yeah WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY but only if we stay together Oct 14 01:35:07 i think that if the protests can make it through the weekend and keep gaining steam they'll be able to keep it going Oct 14 01:35:21 Im not entirely sure MISHCHA but, I looked through it tonight, as I am trying to spread the word about a documentary I am inspired to do, so, I was trying to contact every single OCCUPY site I could, sent out about 200 emails tonight about it Oct 14 01:35:22 but there seems to be a real concerted effort on the part of the establishment to do some serious damage Oct 14 01:35:32 so, I happen to see the students on Oct 14 01:35:41 * spacechip (~spacechip@d-57-438-851-391.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 01:36:01 OWEN: they will only cause us to be stronger. Oct 14 01:36:09 Well I don't know how mobile you are, but there is definitely a big occupation happening in LA Oct 14 01:36:27 those cities will take their camps back with more people, look at boston and wall street. Only growing. Dewey is over crowded Oct 14 01:36:46 Not mobile at all right now. We need funding to get there... Oct 14 01:36:47 I know! I was in boston on monday, but I had to drive back to amherst to write a midterm paper Oct 14 01:36:52 we're trying a kickstarter. Oct 14 01:36:57 police are moving on Oseattle, none yet at Odenver Oct 14 01:36:59 how big is LA Oct 14 01:37:02 i left the camp around 8, then watched on livestream Oct 14 01:37:06 never felt so helpless Oct 14 01:37:10 just wanted to be there Oct 14 01:37:35 OWEN, ME TOO! My girlfriend and I were there in the morning hanging and filming interviews and stuff and we left around 630 Oct 14 01:37:37 Owen I left monday as well. I can't get arrested unfortunately Oct 14 01:37:39 We were up all night Oct 14 01:37:44 watching Oct 14 01:37:49 Sleep was impossible Oct 14 01:37:53 its getting pretty big- I dont know the number, but we're about 3 weeks behind you guys just because we're on the other side of the country- so we haven't run into problems with the police or eviction as it looks like you are all Oct 14 01:38:07 Anyways, I have to go back to studying Oct 14 01:38:14 It will come Mischa...but you gotta just stick with it Oct 14 01:38:15 I'm really glad I tried out this chat function though Oct 14 01:38:18 Later OWEN Oct 14 01:38:21 Come back soon Oct 14 01:38:26 Definitely! Oct 14 01:38:26 yeah, you know whats whild? we had scouts and we all saw it live. I, sitting in my office, knew where the police were staging and when they were moving Oct 14 01:38:31 maybe we'll see yah in dewey sometime Oct 14 01:38:34 INTERNET CHANGES EVERYTHING Oct 14 01:38:35 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: #OccupySeattle is in the process of being evicted, over 10 people arrested. Stay strong and peaceful! #OccupyBoston supports you! - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124719828794748928 Oct 14 01:38:38 Possibly next weekend Oct 14 01:38:40 * Owen_Griffin has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 01:39:01 Yes, yes! That's what I Oct 14 01:39:05 I'm doing on this page! Oct 14 01:39:42 A group of students at my school are trying to connect the entire nation so that it doesn't dye- just networking with different schools and protestors Oct 14 01:39:48 seattle is being arrested Oct 14 01:39:49 * axb21 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 14 01:40:20 once the national and international movements get linked I will feel much more secure Oct 14 01:40:37 right now I still feel like we're nurturing a tiny seed Oct 14 01:40:41 well saturday is the huge international march- hopefully that will have an impact Oct 14 01:40:56 * OccupyBoston584 (~OccupyBos@dcxp-81-95-9-816.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 01:41:08 * OccupyBoston768 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 01:41:09 i would agree- but I think that's ok- it hasn't been too too long yet, we still have the opportunity to turn these protests into a movement. Oct 14 01:41:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @onevoice2 Then we shall respectfully agree 2 agree :) #Bloomberg #Menino We'reGonnaFindOutWho'sNaughty&Nice NoSanta4YOU #OWS #OccupyBoston - http://twitter.com/InsibiIo/statuses/124721292099338240 Oct 14 01:41:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Occupy_Boston: #OccupySeattle is in the process of being evicted, over 10 people arrested. Stay strong and peaceful! #OccupyBoston supports you! - http://twitter.com/VidConWorldCEO/statuses/124721294754320384 Oct 14 01:42:33 http://www.livestream.com/owsoccupyseattle Oct 14 01:44:26 * spacechip (~spacechip@d-57-438-851-391.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 01:47:23 kansas city is under siege as well Oct 14 01:47:39 * OccupyEverything (~OccupyEve@q-07-99-965-020.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 01:48:20 * OccupyEverything has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 01:48:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @OccupySeattle you're live - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124720624076734464 Oct 14 01:48:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @Anonymoustemp right now? Don't think there's a lot to see. Maybe you might pick up a little snoring. ;) - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124722810936492032 Oct 14 01:48:59 KC livestream is offline. Oct 14 01:49:03 Seattle still up. Oct 14 01:49:03 http://www.livestream.com/owsoccupyseattle Oct 14 01:52:03 2150 people watching at 2 AM EST Oct 14 01:53:29 * OccupyBoston584 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 01:53:37 * seekr_away is now known as seekr Oct 14 01:54:03 * BigWhopper99 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 01:55:54 What is the advantage for police to move at night other than fear? Oct 14 01:56:19 seattle is evicted Oct 14 01:56:34 live stream is down Oct 14 01:57:19 * herpderp (~herpderp@89-35-804-20.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 01:57:45 mediatent I know they're being arrested, but they can't all be Oct 14 01:58:03 ok night time guys will catch up tomorrow Oct 14 01:58:26 stay strong all occupiers under siege and otherwise. much love Oct 14 01:58:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: #OccupySeattle live stream is now down. @OccupySeattle if you need anything get in touch. Solidarity, solidarity, solidarity! - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124725618100285440 Oct 14 01:59:10 * Mike_offsite has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 01:59:53 O.o Oct 14 02:01:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @ExistBeyond: #Occupy #occupyboston #occupywallst Change Is Coming, We are No Longer Scared - Our voice will be heard. http://t.co/oRRZ4Ydp - http://twitter.com/iTzSilverandrew/statuses/124726323561246720 Oct 14 02:05:18 MediaTent: hey Oct 14 02:05:35 So Oregon and Washington's occupations have been broken? Oct 14 02:05:48 I doubt broken Oct 14 02:06:07 Boston had 141 arrested ... we are going just as strong if not more Oct 14 02:08:00 does Boston have a live feed? Oct 14 02:08:38 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @Anonymoustemp haha. I see that now. Clearly am VERY sleep deprived! - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124727275554996224 Oct 14 02:12:37 * gasmonkey (~thomasfab@q-402-86-17-512.hsd9.fl.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 02:14:21 * gasmonkey has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 02:21:09 * OccupyBoston892 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 02:21:26 * anonymous_e0m (~IceChat7@h-07-98-482-73.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 02:21:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @OccupyBostonNOW: You know you are doing the right thing when Fox News says you're not Oct 14 02:21:27 #occupyboston #ows #occupywallstreet #occupydenver - http://twitter.com/momonpatrol/statuses/124731104325414912 Oct 14 02:21:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @SFRupdates: "We're at the fire. Where the hell are you?" - @SageFrancis films his stroll through #OccupyBoston: http://t.co/MuE2ScOu #OWS #OccupyWallSt - http://twitter.com/dashgami/statuses/124731227805728768 Oct 14 02:26:23 * Seth (~Seth@yk18338z9.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 02:26:35 Hey guys Oct 14 02:27:31 * OccupyBoston745 (~OccupyBos@xlpu-906-76-430-983.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 02:33:40 i just came in, seattle? :( Oct 14 02:34:45 * OccupyBoston925 (~OccupyBos@a-59-920-29-909.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 02:34:57 * OccupyBoston925 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 02:35:03 * MediaTent has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 02:35:16 * anonymous_e0m has quit (Quit: If your not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space) Oct 14 02:38:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @racheljmcneill: @derekahunter @KurtSchlichter @Occupy_Boston didn't "use" us as shields, or spit on CG. Many veterans and active/res ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124734027319083008 Oct 14 02:39:25 * willowii (~willowii@114.72.qkq.ki) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 02:40:45 Good night, all. To #occupywallstreet, Good luck. Oct 14 02:41:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Coondawg68: Jamarhl Crawford, New Black Panther Party leader, #OccupyBoston speaker 'Kill Whitey' rap http://t.co/DFg4zBli #MAdems say not racist #tcot - http://twitter.com/buddhacop/statuses/124736004094566400 Oct 14 02:41:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @GarretLoPorto: "THE BEGINNING IS NEAR." #OccupyBoston #OccupyWallSt #OccupyWallStreet #Anonymous http://t.co/H2PskhYF - http://twitter.com/okokitsme/statuses/124736258793684992 Oct 14 02:43:29 hmm...rachel mcneill tweeted that she supports the majority of the boston pd, as most she encountered during detention do support us. That would explain why they seem to be using the worst tactics possible if they actually want to suppress us... Oct 14 02:43:33 :-P Oct 14 02:44:05 going against orders gets you fired, and possibly charged with something. being a dumbass gets...well, nothing, because people expect it anyway. Oct 14 02:44:16 so, being a smart dumbass would get overlooked. Oct 14 02:44:56 * Shidash (~Shidash@r-88-461-552-58.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 02:45:25 idk...probably wishful thinking, but I just prefer not to think anyone is as foolish as they've been lately. Oct 14 02:45:33 * axb21 (~abucci@qv86457y0.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 02:46:13 * Devon (~Devon@50.12.rzo.ju) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 02:49:52 * axb21 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 02:52:22 * Shidash has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 02:55:35 * seekr is now known as seekr_sleepr Oct 14 02:57:14 * herpderp has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 03:00:42 * Mischa has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 03:01:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Samstwitch: PHOTO: Police have surrounded the park at #occupyboston http://t.co/l76zn3il via @MattFilipowicz #OccupyWallStreet #OWS - http://twitter.com/jenn976/statuses/124741353916735488 Oct 14 03:01:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @Trump_Yo_Trick @Occupy_Boston Locking hands to protect our tents #occupyboston needs you at south (cont) http://t.co/87QnQerj - http://twitter.com/oxcindyxo/statuses/124741358270423040 Oct 14 03:02:29 * Devon has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 03:02:31 * Seth has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 03:02:38 * OccupyBoston580 (~OccupyBos@g-16-78-373-69.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 03:03:42 * Lily (~Lily@138.202.lou.tzs) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 03:03:54 * Lily has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 03:04:33 Brookfield Office Properties owns Zucotti Sq.Their Boston offfices are at 75 State Street. Protest there tomorrow. Match in solidarity with #OWS. Oct 14 03:04:39 * OccupyBoston017 (~OccupyBos@198.151.zvi.o) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 03:05:34 * OccupyBoston017 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 03:06:55 March on 75 State St tomorrow morning in solidarity with #OWS. Brookfield Properties, Boston made decision. Insider info. Check with press. Oct 14 03:07:56 * OccupyBoston580 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 03:08:02 * bostongeorge has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 03:09:45 * willowii has quit () Oct 14 03:12:21 * OccupyBoston745 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 03:12:45 * seekr_sleepr has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 14 03:13:14 * seekr_sleepr (~Foo@587-4-64-027.c6-3.smr-ubr9.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 03:18:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Final tally for #OccupySeattle raid: 10 arrested protecting tents, approx. 80 police involved, over 100 protesters back in Westlake Park. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124743809614622720 Oct 14 03:18:51 * axb21 (~abucci@i2h4021x6.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 03:21:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @revolutionjedi: #inthe90s we closed our eyes, but now we #occupywallstreet #occupychi #occupyboston #OccupyAmerica #OccupyLA #occupyportland #occupyatl - http://twitter.com/TheArtistRasco/statuses/124745539744047105 Oct 14 03:21:26 * MK_home has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 03:21:41 * Leighton has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) Oct 14 03:22:06 * OccupyBoston322 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 03:22:12 * OccupyBoston352 (~OccupyBos@899-7-81-658.c3-6.smr-ubr5.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 03:22:25 * OccupyBoston352 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 03:22:28 * freddie` has quit () Oct 14 03:22:41 * pure has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 14 03:24:22 * axb21 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 03:25:01 * OccupyEverything (~OccupyEve@nwlr-718-52-52-70.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 03:34:10 * Shidash (~Shidash@r-88-461-552-58.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 03:38:53 * Shidash has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 14 03:39:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @OccupyDenver: Full riot gear spotted south west of camp. Remain non-confrontational under all circumstances. The whole world is watc ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124749003752611840 Oct 14 03:41:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @OccupyBOS_Media: @OccupyDenver stay strong. The world is watching and #OccupyBoston and Americans everywhere have your backs. Solidarity! #occupydenver - http://twitter.com/Ananikia72/statuses/124751239253729280 Oct 14 03:41:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @OccupyBOS_Media: @OccupyDenver stay strong. The world is watching and #OccupyBoston and Americans everywhere have your backs. Solidarity! #occupydenver - http://twitter.com/StargazingFire/statuses/124751400734429184 Oct 14 03:41:42 * Observer (~Observer@hfil-332-14-733-257.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 03:42:26 * Observer has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 04:01:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] An Open Boston City Council http://t.co/TPh6VKZb #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/thezak/statuses/124756368761688065 Oct 14 04:01:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @thezak: An Open Boston City Council http://t.co/TPh6VKZb #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/OccupyBostonBot/statuses/124756373425762304 Oct 14 04:06:31 * OccupyBoston414 (~OccupyBos@c-026-06-319-209.hsd3.wa.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 04:06:38 * zaba_zoom (~zabazoom@apxh-89-50-642-12.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 04:06:42 Anyone here? Oct 14 04:07:14 Yeah Oct 14 04:07:52 I'm writing from Seattle and I have a general assembly question for you. Oct 14 04:08:18 Address anything relating to Boston to the operators. Oct 14 04:08:22 :-) Oct 14 04:09:17 The operators? Oct 14 04:09:26 Have you been to a GA in Boston? Oct 14 04:09:37 Have I? I'm from Columbia, SC. Oct 14 04:09:44 I just help out in here. Oct 14 04:09:52 * Zabazoom has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 04:10:08 Ah ha Oct 14 04:10:19 Have you been to a GA in Colubia? Oct 14 04:10:38 GA begins tomorrow afternoon. Oct 14 04:10:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: WE NEED TO RAISE MONEY TO SEND PEOPLE TO NEW YORK FOR SUPPORT AND MEDIA COVERAGE PLEASE HELP ASAP AT THE MEDIA TENT OR http://t.co/qpo2dEN9 - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124756779279196160 Oct 14 04:11:11 October 15th is the kick-off date for the rest of the cities across the country. Oct 14 04:12:44 Oh, ok. NM. GA's are hard. There, that's really all I wanted to say. Was looking for someone to tell me something similar from another city. Oct 14 04:13:10 GA's are hard. I've been watching the live streams. Oct 14 04:13:39 * Ren (~ren@doesnt.matter.what.it.is) has left #occupyboston (Leaving) Oct 14 04:13:52 * Ren (~ren@doesnt.matter.what.it.is) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 04:14:40 Are some cities doing better, finding more success with a certain method that you may have noticed? Oct 14 04:16:09 People's mic works incredibly well. Oct 14 04:16:18 Just have to get the rhythm down. Oct 14 04:17:48 * OccupyBoston761 (~OccupyBos@549-93-997-074.c6-8.arl-ubr9.sbo-arl.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 04:18:22 does this work? Oct 14 04:18:31 Yes..? Oct 14 04:19:02 oops sorry! haha thanks for the conformation though Oct 14 04:19:54 * OccupyBoston761 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 04:20:53 * Chaddles has quit () Oct 14 04:20:54 * Chaddles00 has quit () Oct 14 04:21:03 * Brandon has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 14 04:21:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @AgentOrchid: Photos: #OccupyDenver Showdown #ows http://t.co/rtV7kEKx #occupywallstreet #occupyLA #occupychi #occupyboston #occupyatlanta #occupySD - http://twitter.com/OccupyBostonBot/statuses/124760957644836864 Oct 14 04:21:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Occupy_Boston: another great idea! @jlr_ I just donated 50$=126 meals to Grtr Bstn Fd Bank in honor of #OccupyBoston-Do the same & show 'em that we care! - http://twitter.com/emmettlollis/statuses/124761408352169984 Oct 14 04:23:26 * zaba_zoom has quit () Oct 14 04:23:48 * OccupyBoston414 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 04:25:00 * purp (~Anon@anon.bit) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 04:31:10 * axb21 (~abucci@gx02145a2.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 04:31:33 * jones has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 14 04:33:45 * jones (~jones@76.164.rsi.tjz) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 04:35:22 * axb21 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 04:36:24 * Ren is now known as Ren|Hopefully_Sleeping Oct 14 04:37:10 * purp has quit () Oct 14 04:38:48 * gene has quit () Oct 14 04:41:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @jeffkatzshow: please help the poor and needy in boston who are beiing hurt & victimized by the selfish #occupyboston crowd http://t.co/gN4zN4g5 #ows #tcot - http://twitter.com/OccupyBostonBot/statuses/124765837805633536 Oct 14 04:41:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @BostonPhoenix: The whole world is watching: Boston filmmaker releases incendiary #OccupyBoston doc of BPD crackdown http://t.co/5BWLC7JV - http://twitter.com/Leah1069/statuses/124766171491860480 Oct 14 04:42:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Just started our live stream http://t.co/jcEyFACN - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124766017774817280 Oct 14 04:43:00 Another stream? Oct 14 04:43:03 WTF? Oct 14 04:43:03 * deinous has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 04:48:15 * kizmut -=Stream is LIVE with 28 viewers. Oct 14 04:50:27 * OccupyBoston978 (~OccupyBos@m-38-927-49-787.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 04:50:36 * OccupyBoston978 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 04:51:31 * kizmut -=Stream is offline with 32 viewers. Oct 14 04:51:43 * Kt is now known as Kt|Away Oct 14 05:01:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @SooperMexican: ***I did! --> RT @DLoesch: Donate to help food bank negatively affected by #OccupyBoston: http://t.co/75ANdiPG Please spread the word #tcot - http://twitter.com/Tu2Lu/statuses/124770560193466368 Oct 14 05:01:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @zbleumoon: John Lennon - "Imagine" k http://t.co/rZhP6vrn k #OccupyWallStreet #OccupyBoston #OccupyLA #OccupySantaFe #peace - http://twitter.com/ThinkGosa/statuses/124770813021913088 Oct 14 05:02:29 * axb21 (~abucci@sz13883l9.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 05:02:42 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: #occupywallstreet http://t.co/79R8oZ7H WATCH THIS STREAM - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124770139194400768 Oct 14 05:03:24 * Ren|Hopefully_Sleeping is now known as RenSleeping Oct 14 05:06:51 * OccupyBoston491 (~OccupyBos@o-76-74-890-73.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 05:07:18 * OccupyBoston491 (~OccupyBos@o-76-74-890-73.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 05:10:22 * axb21 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 05:10:34 * socket (a@sog-55-174-241-22.cablep.bezeqint.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 05:10:51 * socket has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 05:10:58 * socket (a@sog-55-174-241-22.cablep.bezeqint.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 05:12:34 * socket has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 05:12:36 * socket (a@sog-55-174-241-22.cablep.bezeqint.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 05:12:54 umm, what's the name of site that lets you run your own quotes DB for your channel ? Oct 14 05:12:58 not bash... like bash, but personal... let's you run your own collection, manage it, delete, approve.. all that Oct 14 05:13:02 never mind Oct 14 05:13:05 found it, www.ibash.org Oct 14 05:13:29 * socket has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 05:21:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @MeatJams: Van Jones, ACORN, Rev White, Bill Ares, Lies, IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! #occupysandiego #occupywallstreet #occupychi #occupyboston #OccupyAmerica - http://twitter.com/OccupyBostonBot/statuses/124776503379636225 Oct 14 05:21:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @MeatJams: Van Jones, ACORN, Rev White, Bill Ares, Lies, IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! #occupysandiego #occupywallstreet #occupychi #occupyboston #OccupyAmerica - http://twitter.com/OccupyChicagoRT/statuses/124776513676640258 Oct 14 05:35:52 * jones has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 05:39:36 * axb21 (~abucci@tw44576a6.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 05:41:26 * Shidash (~Shidash@r-88-461-552-58.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 05:41:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @MeatJams: GO TO SLEEP #occupysandiego #occupywallstreet #occupychi #occupyboston #OccupyAmerica #OccupyLA #occupyportland #occupyatl #OccupyDetroit . - http://twitter.com/OccupyBostonBot/statuses/124779302058328064 Oct 14 05:41:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @get_enlightened: Crowd sings "Land of the Free, Home of the Brave" in Denver #OccupyDenver #OccupyBoston #OccupyWallStreet We are the 99% #OccupyDallas - http://twitter.com/kschroeder1720/statuses/124779483877216256 Oct 14 05:44:15 * jones (~jones@76.164.rsi.tjz) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 05:45:32 * axb21 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 14 05:46:32 * KeKe (KeKe@47g0279u.bb.sky.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 05:48:22 * jones has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 05:50:17 to tap this flow effectively, every country, company and individual needs to be constantly growing their talents. Oct 14 05:50:59 http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/12/opinion/theres-something-happening-here.html?_r=4&hp Oct 14 05:55:53 * Shidash has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 14 05:58:23 * axb21 (~abucci@lgy0769c3.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 06:00:16 * jones (~jones@76.164.rsi.tjz) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 06:00:29 * KeKe has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 14 06:01:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @frangtv: #occupyboston is camped out #ows #99percent Spichles http://t.co/X7AN4m5A via @spichles - http://twitter.com/OccupyBostonBot/statuses/124786175285280768 Oct 14 06:01:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @frangtv: #occupyboston is camped out #ows #99percent Spichles http://t.co/X7AN4m5A via @spichles - http://twitter.com/99percentBot/statuses/124786177520844800 Oct 14 06:04:28 * KeKe (KeKe@47g0279u.bb.sky.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 06:05:58 * JessyDrastic (~pjirc@m-95-67-82-36.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 06:17:29 * chelle has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 14 06:18:16 * OccupyBoston396 (~OccupyBos@c-71-50-94-341.hsd6.nh.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 06:20:08 * OccupyBoston335 (~OccupyBos@o-640-64-575-181.hsd2.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 06:20:20 * OccupyBoston396 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 06:20:30 * OccupyBoston795 (~OccupyBos@v-16-753-827-08.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 06:20:46 * OccupyBoston335 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 06:21:12 * OccupyBoston826 (~OccupyBos@c-71-50-94-341.hsd6.nh.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 06:21:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Coondawg68: #OccupyBoston speaker&NBP leader Jamarhl Crawford aka UNO The Prophet w/ #OWS hit 'Zionist Money' http://t.co/thQl4emn #MApoli @W_Cooksey - http://twitter.com/OccupyBostonBot/statuses/124791403946590208 Oct 14 06:21:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @occupybostonbot: RT @Talk1200: NEXT: @jeffkatzshow on @talk1200 Boston w/ @toddstarnes w/ @foxnewsradio #OCW latest #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/Talk1200/statuses/124791703747039232 Oct 14 06:21:54 * Shidash (~Shidash@r-88-461-552-58.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 06:24:15 * JessyDrastic has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 14 06:25:17 * OccupyBoston435 (~OccupyBos@d-41-88-435-047.hsd9.md.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 06:25:45 * OccupyBoston435 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 06:28:22 * Shidash has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 06:32:19 * RenSleeping has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 14 06:35:04 * OccupyBoston826 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 06:35:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Livestream up for coverage and reaction to the Occupy Wall Street eviction, http://t.co/cH40eK8v - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124794640149921792 Oct 14 06:36:36 * KeKe is now known as KeKe_gone Oct 14 06:41:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #OccupyBoston is some crazy shit, period. - http://twitter.com/ClaytonCiolac/statuses/124796756625080320 Oct 14 06:41:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @ClaytonCiolac: #OccupyBoston is some crazy shit, period. - http://twitter.com/OccupyBostonBot/statuses/124796758604787712 Oct 14 06:44:48 * axb21 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) Oct 14 06:45:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: #occupywallstreet eviction postponed... It seems !! - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124795785631105024 Oct 14 06:48:53 * jones has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 06:48:53 * freewill has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 06:55:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: "All day, all week, occupy wallstreet" #occupywallstreet #ows.... all day, all week, Boston is in solidarity! - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124799601885712384 Oct 14 06:55:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @OccupyWallSt: A major victory! Cops has postponed the cleaning! #ows - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124799647297437696 Oct 14 07:01:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @tomrgill: RT @macfathom: Here's a panoramic shot of the #OWS crowd: http://t.co/10tG6Wds #ows #globalrevolution #OccupyChi #occupyboston #OccupyDenver - http://twitter.com/fancynancynyc/statuses/124801496427659264 Oct 14 07:01:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @MGraham969: Boston City Council Prez Murphy on #occupyboston "I agree with their point... Big Oil tried to put the automakers out of biz." Huh? #fb - http://twitter.com/RepCon33/statuses/124801653886042112 Oct 14 07:04:45 * jones (~jones@76.164.rsi.tjz) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 07:05:31 * CYA (~CYA@o-80-822-945-823.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 07:06:11 * bare (~pure@awlm-62-219-90-7.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 07:07:09 * freewill (~freewill@c-40-168-681-62.hsd2.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 07:08:23 test Oct 14 07:08:35 Hi freewill Oct 14 07:08:42 gm Oct 14 07:09:38 extremely quiet here, anything happening? Oct 14 07:10:06 im watching the livestream Oct 14 07:10:09 not much on BPD scan either, did WW3 pass me by? Oct 14 07:10:37 they called off the NYPD crackdown on OWS Oct 14 07:10:55 sweet, why? Oct 14 07:11:26 we won. pols got scared of what it would look like if cops were assaulting americans on the morning news Oct 14 07:11:29 are you watching Boston on livestream or NYC? Oct 14 07:11:57 im watching boston on livestream and waatching tv news of nyc Oct 14 07:13:20 * OccupyEverything has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 07:13:23 I'm showing boston livestream as offline? Oct 14 07:13:26 Big win for occupiers today. Oct 14 07:14:33 maybe a small reprieve, they might wait until after tonights news and remove NYC after 11pm news cycle. Oct 14 07:15:45 * Fuckingidiots (~Fuckingid@649-638-770-80-efkhmlhzxj.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 07:15:50 the livestream color bars are hypotizing tho. Oct 14 07:16:11 hello fuckingidiots how are you? Oct 14 07:17:02 * Fuckingidiots has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 07:17:13 i think it has become clear to these mayors that removing protesters is a touchy issue. Menino is up fpr reelection Oct 14 07:17:22 they do not want to look like bad guys. Oct 14 07:17:37 aw now we have no fuckingidiots here. Oct 14 07:18:38 Bloomberg was going to look really bad if he had unleashed his dogs this morning. He realised that and called them off. Oct 14 07:18:47 yes I think the political est is realizing that if they try to eradicate us we will grow, so they are now trying to figure out how to discredit or manage us. Oct 14 07:19:03 thats why it is important for occupiers to stay peaceful. Oct 14 07:20:04 if they come in with their brutes we will always be in the right and the video will look like peaceful protesters being abused by thugs and brutes. Oct 14 07:20:16 * KeKe_gone is now known as KeKe Oct 14 07:20:46 hello keke Oct 14 07:21:14 hi freewill :) Oct 14 07:21:20 how're you today? Oct 14 07:21:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] "Occupy Boston" would also make a great name for a Job Fair. Also not a bad goal methinks #ows #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/rywhite/statuses/124806802339672064 Oct 14 07:21:37 well but trying to wake up my brain. Oct 14 07:21:43 :) Oct 14 07:22:12 how are things at the boston occupation - any news? Oct 14 07:22:35 all quiet on the eastern front right now. Oct 14 07:23:02 that's not a bad thing...? :) Oct 14 07:24:18 i heard that they are not taking down the tents and the occupiers are "safe"? Oct 14 07:24:36 read this article, found it interesting http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/12/opinion/theres-something-happening-here.html?_r=4&hp Oct 14 07:24:43 good idea there, to dispell the notion that Occupiers aren't unwilling to work we should invite employers to the party. Oct 14 07:24:46 don't know if anyone'd be interested :) Oct 14 07:25:37 dont have NYT login :( Oct 14 07:25:38 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: OWS got a win #OWSWIN spread the word people. They have saved the movement. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124807845584703488 Oct 14 07:25:45 yeah the thought always in my mind is 'What are they up to"? Oct 14 07:26:11 * OccupyBoston515 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 07:26:25 brb, food,coffee Oct 14 07:27:04 * OccupyBoston213 (~OccupyBos@axg-30-727-684-40.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 07:27:16 * OccupyBoston213 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 07:27:28 i don't think you have to log in to read it :) Oct 14 07:27:35 i haven't anyway ;) Oct 14 07:28:46 hmm the NYT wants me to login. Oct 14 07:30:37 odd! Oct 14 07:31:00 perhaps they don't want you to see it? ;) Oct 14 07:31:10 NYT is a paid service now Oct 14 07:31:21 you know "journalism" for profit Oct 14 07:31:30 it's subscriber only Oct 14 07:31:39 i can e-mail you the content of the article if you'd like? i thought it was really good Oct 14 07:31:46 its ok they can't hide from us for long. Oct 14 07:31:58 * Devon (~Devon@50.12.rzo.ju) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 07:32:05 ok send it to freewillist@gmail.com Oct 14 07:33:25 cool, on it's way :) Oct 14 07:35:53 * ctw has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 07:36:22 thanks keke rcvd, reading now. Oct 14 07:36:31 cool :) Oct 14 07:39:21 * Devon has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 07:41:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @JoAnneMoretti: The Coast Guard in Boston confirmed that a woman in uniform was spat upon by #OccupyBoston protesters. http://t.co/yLVR7Oiz - http://twitter.com/Lord_Gow/statuses/124811674065715201 Oct 14 07:43:05 if a coast guard member was spit onthen it was obviously not by a serious occupier. a passerby perhaps? mistaken for an occupier? Oct 14 07:44:15 love it, 'The Great Disruption' Oct 14 07:45:36 * TarenCapel (~TarenCape@184.242.ik.huz) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 07:45:44 Hello chaps. Oct 14 07:45:47 How do we fair? Oct 14 07:45:48 thats Faux reporting, is there any statement released by the CG? Oct 14 07:46:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @danielkontoff: @Occupy_Boston we at food do not need plastic ware but real plates and silverware and okay plastic cups also peanut b ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124812471050584064 Oct 14 07:46:42 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @danielkontoff: @Occupy_Boston Also at food no more bleach please but fruit is always okay and also fruit juice - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124812478721966080 Oct 14 07:50:08 freewill :) Oct 14 07:50:55 * OccupyBoston161 (~OccupyBos@otff-070-38-269-759.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 07:51:28 ? Oct 14 07:51:31 Thanks keke, good article. Oct 14 07:51:44 you're welcome :) Oct 14 07:52:43 * OccupyBoston161 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 07:53:24 I take it you are environmentally aware, have you sign the pettions relating to the Redwoods in US, Pipeline from Canada to Gulf Mexico, stopping the clearing of the Amazon RF? Oct 14 07:53:42 * Burrito (~mexican@nxb-64-55-200-822.satx.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 07:55:22 no, i haven't - do you have a link? Oct 14 07:55:53 * Resistance has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 07:56:25 * OccupyBoston204 (~OccupyBos@15-234-264-09-xwnsidrtlg.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 07:56:38 * OccupyBoston204 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 07:56:53 FUCK Oct 14 07:56:54 guys Oct 14 07:56:56 how is NYC? Oct 14 07:57:01 I belong to avaaz.org and change .org, they come as emails and I may have deleted them after signing but gimme a few. Oct 14 07:57:16 * OccupyBoston426 (~OccupyBos@15-234-264-09-xwnsidrtlg.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 07:57:17 * OccupyBoston426 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 07:58:01 no problem :) Oct 14 07:58:13 they stayed in the park? no arrests? Oct 14 07:58:16 * OccupyBoston298 (~OccupyBos@146.243.jzp.jh) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 07:58:20 GenKreton - apparently not bad Oct 14 07:58:27 nothing's been pulled down Oct 14 07:58:38 as far as reports go Oct 14 07:58:41 :) Oct 14 07:58:46 k, going through twitter reports now Oct 14 07:58:51 what a relief so far Oct 14 07:59:10 5 arrests at least Oct 14 07:59:14 @keke http://www.avaaz.org/en/bolivia_stop_the_crackdown/?tta Oct 14 07:59:27 wall st physically barriered Oct 14 07:59:30 still sounds tense Oct 14 08:01:05 * OccupyBoston359 (~OccupyBos@65-569-109-075.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 08:01:05 people are not morning people in camp Oct 14 08:01:18 @keke http://www.change.org/petitions/stop-wineries-from-destroying-ca-redwoods-and-native-american-heritage?utm_source=action_alert&utm_medium=email&alert_id=eIlYxPySzu_trCorJhGUU Oct 14 08:01:23 * OccupyBoston359 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 08:01:25 don't blame them ;) Oct 14 08:01:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] WOW! As of 8:00 am, we've raised over $3400 for Needy Boston Residents Hurt by the #OccupyBoston! Can we get $4000? http://t.co/FvqVfS5R - http://twitter.com/theRightSphere/statuses/124816888403464192 Oct 14 08:01:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] A welcome tent...getting all fancy now #OccupyBoston http://t.co/iovBlfXI - http://twitter.com/halagator88/statuses/124816940681273344 Oct 14 08:01:28 * OccupyBoston994 (~OccupyBos@65-569-109-075.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 08:01:44 RT @nyclu: Lots of zip ties headed towards broad st. From beaver st. #ows #occuoywallstreet. Oct 14 08:02:21 thanks freewill :) Oct 14 08:02:28 everything is so conflicting, some people are showing pics of barricades coming down, others are saying riot police with plastic cuffs are approaching Oct 14 08:03:17 * OccupyBoston298 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 08:03:29 I should've skipped work today and occupied wall st instead of boston last night Oct 14 08:03:50 GenKreton - conflict will come. give it time. Oct 14 08:03:58 (unfortunately.) Oct 14 08:04:02 TarenCapel: in nyc today? Oct 14 08:05:13 @keke can't find the one about the pipeline and I can't remember if it was avaaz or change, sorry. Oct 14 08:05:43 no worries :) Oct 14 08:06:37 if its of interest to you I'm sure you will be able to find it. Oct 14 08:06:54 :) will have a look Oct 14 08:07:44 check out this one - http://www.avaaz.org/en/the_world_vs_wall_st/?cl=1327903652&v=10656 Oct 14 08:08:23 * Tracywork (~yaaic@03-7-65-936.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 08:08:38 * Tracywork has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 08:09:12 * OccupyBoston613 (~OccupyBos@14-584-04-368.dia.static.qwest.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 08:09:34 * OccupyBoston613 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 08:09:44 * Tracywork (~yaaic@03-7-65-936.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 08:09:54 * wallstreetrules (~wallstree@14-584-04-368.dia.static.qwest.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 08:09:59 H Oct 14 08:10:35 welcome wallstreetrules Oct 14 08:10:39 it's gonna wicked rain Oct 14 08:11:04 * wallstreetrules has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 08:11:05 great it will help in the cleanup effort. Oct 14 08:11:06 ta freewill :) Oct 14 08:11:17 yqw Oct 14 08:11:53 aw no more wallstreetrules Oct 14 08:12:25 * Tracywork has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 08:12:48 * Burrito is now known as Resistance Oct 14 08:14:31 * Whoareyou (~Whoareyou@otff-070-38-269-759.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 08:15:20 * OccupyBoston563 (~OccupyBos@uknv-28-036-175-572.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 08:15:23 Why won't you guys call into Jeff Katz? Oct 14 08:16:10 GenKreton - hi - sorry all over the place - not in NYC today. Oct 14 08:17:09 * OccupyBoston563 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 08:17:12 * OccupyBoston922 (~OccupyBos@uknv-28-036-175-572.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 08:17:40 * OccupyBoston922 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 08:17:44 * OccupyBoston442 (~OccupyBos@uknv-28-036-175-572.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 08:18:07 * OccupyBoston442 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 08:18:10 * OccupyBoston796 (~OccupyBos@uknv-28-036-175-572.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 08:18:11 * OccupyBoston127 (~OccupyBos@63.117.vjm.nyz) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 08:18:31 * Whoareyou has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 08:19:09 * OccupyBoston127 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 08:21:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @theRightSphere @shaunj_07 PLS send donations TO GR8R BOS FOOD BANK http://t.co/AncxWyhc, **NOT** to a personal PayPal acct! #OccupyBoston - http://twitter.com/harmonywho/statuses/124821847350063104 Oct 14 08:21:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Do it!! RT @BrandonKiser: We've raised over $3400 for Needy Boston Residents Hurt by #OccupyBoston! Push us to $4000? is.gd/aD5FLH - http://twitter.com/nikkibama/statuses/124821902106705921 Oct 14 08:21:29 * OccupyBoston165 (~OccupyBos@dccz-92-184-626-65.cncdnh.fast20.myfairpoint.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 08:21:39 Good Mornin' all Oct 14 08:23:15 * OccupyBoston796 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 08:23:32 Come gather round' people, where ever you roam and ADMIT that the waters around you have grown Oct 14 08:24:10 g'morning Oct 14 08:24:54 * KeKe is now known as KeKe_brb Oct 14 08:25:33 * OccupyBoston904 (~OccupyBos@otff-070-38-269-759.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 08:25:40 * TarenCapel has quit (Quit: TarenCapel) Oct 14 08:26:48 * OccupyBoston904 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 08:27:52 Come gather 'round people Oct 14 08:27:52 Wherever you roam Oct 14 08:27:52 And admit that the waters Oct 14 08:27:52 Around you have grown Oct 14 08:27:52 And accept it that soon Oct 14 08:28:14 You'll be drenched to the bone Oct 14 08:28:14 If your time to you Oct 14 08:28:14 Is worth savin' Oct 14 08:28:14 Then you better start swimmin' Oct 14 08:28:14 Or you'll sink like a stone Oct 14 08:28:14 For the times they are a-changin'. Oct 14 08:28:40 Come writers and critics Oct 14 08:28:40 Who prophesize with your pen Oct 14 08:28:40 And keep your eyes wide Oct 14 08:28:40 The chance won't come again Oct 14 08:28:59 And don't speak too soon Oct 14 08:28:59 For the wheel's still in spin Oct 14 08:28:59 And there's no tellin' who Oct 14 08:28:59 That it's namin' Oct 14 08:28:59 For the loser now Oct 14 08:29:00 Will be later to win Oct 14 08:29:00 For the times they are a-changin'. Oct 14 08:29:24 Come senators, congressmen Oct 14 08:29:24 Please heed the call Oct 14 08:29:24 Don't stand in the doorway Oct 14 08:29:24 Don't block up the hall Oct 14 08:29:24 For he that gets hurt Oct 14 08:29:25 Will be he who has stalled Oct 14 08:29:25 There's a battle outside Oct 14 08:29:25 And it is ragin' Oct 14 08:29:25 It'll soon shake your windows Oct 14 08:29:26 And rattle your walls Oct 14 08:29:26 For the times they are a-changin'. Oct 14 08:29:44 * Tracyhome (~yaaic@03-7-65-936.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 08:29:49 Hi Oct 14 08:30:01 hello Oct 14 08:30:09 Come mothers and fathers Oct 14 08:30:09 Throughout the land Oct 14 08:30:09 And don't criticize Oct 14 08:30:09 What you can't understand Oct 14 08:30:09 Your sons and your daughters Oct 14 08:30:10 Are beyond your command Oct 14 08:30:10 Your old road is Oct 14 08:30:12 Rapidly agin' Oct 14 08:30:12 Please get out of the new one Oct 14 08:30:12 If you can't lend your hand Oct 14 08:30:12 For the times they are a-changin'. Oct 14 08:30:42 The line it is drawn Oct 14 08:30:42 The curse it is cast Oct 14 08:30:42 The slow one now Oct 14 08:30:42 Will later be fast Oct 14 08:30:42 As the present now Oct 14 08:30:42 Will later be past Oct 14 08:30:43 The order is Oct 14 08:30:43 Rapidly fadin' Oct 14 08:30:43 And the first one now Oct 14 08:30:45 Will later be last Oct 14 08:30:45 For the times they are a-changin'. Oct 14 08:31:12 How ya doin' on this fine Fall mornin' Tracy? Oct 14 08:32:49 is anyone awake in here?? 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Tears of joy, hope, pride in the people. Amazing! - http://twitter.com/OccupyUkiah/statuses/124826995874988032 Oct 14 08:48:23 * OccupyBoston987 (~OccupyBos@w-07-40-556-467.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 08:48:28 * OccupyBoston419 (~OccupyBos@q-73-14-763-1.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 08:48:42 * OccupyBoston020 (~OccupyBos@o-71-03-267-724.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 08:48:57 * OccupyBoston020 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 08:49:34 * Tracyhome (~yaaic@03-7-65-936.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 08:49:34 * OccupyBoston987 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 08:49:49 * Tracywork (~yaaic@03-7-65-936.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 08:50:29 * OccupyBoston831 (~OccupyBos@dccz-263-80-74-133.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 08:50:41 Ben is an idiot Oct 14 08:50:48 * OccupyBoston419 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 08:51:38 * OccupyBoston831 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 08:52:02 * Tracywork has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 08:52:05 * Tracyhome has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 08:52:41 denver being hit Oct 14 08:55:53 * KeKe_brb has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 08:57:58 * OccupyBoston786 (~OccupyBos@dccz-263-80-74-133.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 08:58:13 useful idiots Oct 14 08:58:36 just heard you on Jeff KAtz Oct 14 08:58:48 need to have a clue Oct 14 08:59:06 i hope you taped the session Oct 14 08:59:09 yikes Oct 14 08:59:47 is English Ben's forth language, pig latin being the first Oct 14 09:00:12 * OccupyBoston786 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 09:00:55 * Tracywork (~yaaic@03-7-65-936.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:00:55 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: ...the help they can get. We are facing big cuts in SNAP benefits- all the extra food and money will help those who depend on SNAP a LOT! - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124822374251114496 Oct 14 09:00:56 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: A LOT of OB people are poor and/or homeless. It's good knowing that people's anger toward us can be transformed into something positive. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124822887105437696 Oct 14 09:01:20 wasnt there a video stream that allowed 1000s to view? Oct 14 09:01:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Jeff_Ellington1: Coast Guard member spit on near #OccupyBoston tents http://t.co/nhrcQdbo // classy, #ows, classy... - http://twitter.com/skherlo09/statuses/124831849544556544 Oct 14 09:01:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @BluegrassPundit: Shameful: Uniformed Coast Guard Member Spat On By #OccupyBoston Protesters http://t.co/F1EYxHGG #tcot #OWS - http://twitter.com/PepperColvin/statuses/124832012254195712 Oct 14 09:02:03 On the night of the police assault the video stream was on a different site and in my opinion was much better. Oct 14 09:02:30 @ 786 no its his fourth language. Oct 14 09:04:08 Hi Oct 14 09:06:29 * Grammie (~Grammie@yriqjl-12-254-45-575.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:07:28 * BigWhopper99 (~BigWhoppe@lsdb-48-104-05-234.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:07:48 * BigWhopper99 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 09:08:37 * BigWhopper99 (~BigWhoppe@lsdb-48-104-05-234.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:10:54 * Tracywork has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 14 09:11:03 * Go (~Go@12.191.mk.o) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:12:39 * ooride has quit () Oct 14 09:13:07 * BigWhopper99 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 09:14:12 show support - http://www.livestream.com/occupyerie Oct 14 09:14:27 * OccupyBoston967 (~OccupyBos@a-92-61-10-340.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:14:50 * BigWhopper99 (~BigWhoppe@lsdb-48-104-05-234.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:15:11 * OccupyBoston967 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 09:15:49 * Go has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 09:16:48 [Occupy Boston] Video of Boston Police Arresting Peaceful Protesters - http://occupyboston.com/2011/10/14/video-of-boston-police-arresting-peaceful-protesters/ Oct 14 09:17:49 * ywwg (~owen@39-353-852-356-phlqwyssinm.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:19:59 * OccupyBoston081 (~OccupyBos@l858.z605869065.nyc-ny.dsl.cnc.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:20:15 * Tracywork (~yaaic@03-7-65-936.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:20:48 Hi Oct 14 09:21:25 * ElliottTheMedic (~ElliottTh@d-69-21-930-860.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:21:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @watershedchron: Boston mayor Menino said civil disobedience will not be tolerated. Henry David Thoreau to rise from the dead to protest #ows #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/wolfman_13/statuses/124837039387582465 Oct 14 09:21:43 so everyone get the update from NYC? Oct 14 09:21:57 yes good for them! Oct 14 09:22:36 Heard some people fetting arresred Oct 14 09:22:43 that russell simmons is such a nice man to offer to pay for cleaning Oct 14 09:22:52 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/14/national/main20120381.shtml <---- latest Oct 14 09:23:42 http://www.ustream.tv/channel/big-whopper-comedy-show We are live on ustream talking about OCCUPY movement, events in seattle, denver, boston Oct 14 09:23:52 * OccupyBoston741 (~OccupyBos@n-15-31-217-0.hsd0.nj.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:24:33 * OccupyBoston741 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 09:24:56 I can't wait for the food truck festival tomorrow - I've had it on my calendar for months. Oh wait... Oct 14 09:25:46 BigWhopper99: hearing the echo of your broadcast in your broadcast Oct 14 09:25:47 * OccupyBoston510 (~OccupyBos@966-381-383-979.c4-5.bkl-ubr3.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:26:30 good morning all Oct 14 09:26:39 OccupyBoston081: Are you trying to stir up drama? Oct 14 09:27:04 heard the good news about ows: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/14/cleanup-of-zuccotti-park-cancelled/?hp Oct 14 09:27:09 Hi Lefty Oct 14 09:27:12 great way to start the morning Oct 14 09:27:13 hi Oct 14 09:27:14 Not really - it is disappointing that it was cancelled, but can't change it now. Oct 14 09:27:26 how is it now? Oct 14 09:27:40 how is what now? Oct 14 09:27:40 OccupyBoston081: blame menino. He's the one who canceled it Oct 14 09:27:52 it wasn't menino it was the conservatory Oct 14 09:28:02 Food fest? Oct 14 09:28:33 Well in his defense (which might be the second time in my life I have defended him), you can't fit 12 food trucks in what is left of the open space in Dewey Square. Oct 14 09:28:45 * OccupyBoston994 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 09:28:53 Can an op change the topic to reflect the latest on the park cleanup? Oct 14 09:29:23 update is Bloomberg and NYPD backed down, OWS still operational Oct 14 09:29:39 * leftyfb has changed the topic to: IRC channel for #occupyboston || occupyboston.com | livestream.com/occupyboston | "Remember that justice and the struggle for justice is what love looks like in public" -- Dr. Cornel West, speaking at OB || Disclaimer: this is a peaceful forum. Opinons expressed are not endorsed by OB. Oct 14 09:29:51 http://www.ustream.tv/channel/big-whopper-comedy-show WE ARE LIVE talking about @OccupyWallSt Movements Oct 14 09:32:32 * OccupyBoston081 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 09:32:40 How is everyone? Oct 14 09:33:07 wonderful Oct 14 09:33:27 all is good Oct 14 09:34:07 Elliot, you are at camp? Oct 14 09:34:20 nope. Why? Oct 14 09:35:01 Curious. Thought you were a medic because of the name. Oct 14 09:35:19 I am, I'm one of them but I'm not always onsite Oct 14 09:35:26 * rj (bob@69.197.iii.tw) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:35:39 Cool Oct 14 09:35:58 that and I have a Job Interview today Oct 14 09:36:15 Good luck Oct 14 09:36:52 http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19112322 <--- Denver has been shut down Oct 14 09:37:12 good luck elliott Oct 14 09:37:30 * OccupyBoston183 (~OccupyBos@593-512-54-895.c2-7.lex-ubr2.sbo-lex.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:39:17 http://www.ustream.tv/channel/big-whopper-comedy-show WE ARE LIVE talking about @OccupyWallSt Movements Oct 14 09:39:27 check the Denver livestream multi views - can we do this? Oct 14 09:39:39 t's pretty sad and telling that the police are doing this at odd hours Oct 14 09:39:59 wait **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 14 09:40:04 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 14 09:40:04 2011 Oct 14 09:40:06 Working. Can't check livestream. Please fill me in. Oct 14 09:40:14 the denver police read them a miranda warning? looool Oct 14 09:40:46 leftyfb, what did Menino cancel? Oct 14 09:41:13 His honor. Oct 14 09:41:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] I wanna #occupyboston tomorrow - http://twitter.com/SpokenxWords/statuses/124842081872117760 Oct 14 09:41:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Important to read! RT @universalhub: #occupyboston and its gender problem http://t.co/73nIhmZF #feminism #womensrights - http://twitter.com/kehutchinson/statuses/124842097818869760 Oct 14 09:41:50 * OccupyBoston566 (~OccupyBos@qxnv-31-878-218-226.prvdri.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:41:59 Hello Boston Oct 14 09:42:10 hello 566 Oct 14 09:42:16 Think they were talking about food fest Oct 14 09:42:18 crisp... NO SPAM Oct 14 09:42:19 the food truck fest Oct 14 09:42:26 NY is still alive and well. Oct 14 09:42:34 ty Oct 14 09:42:43 Denver was crushed this morning. Oct 14 09:43:13 yeah just posted that 566 Oct 14 09:43:26 Cinci also alive and well Oct 14 09:43:32 Trenton and Jersey City, waiting for the cops to evict them. Oct 14 09:44:16 Occupy Prov, no idea, no live stream. Oct 14 09:44:42 Tampa is alive and well Oct 14 09:44:51 Colorado is a big prison-police complex state though Oct 14 09:45:15 Overflow from Calif. Oct 14 09:45:33 * OccupyBoston566 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 09:45:56 * Tracywork2 (~yaaic@62-74-347-966.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:46:22 * Tracywork has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 09:46:43 so yeah... New York is alive and well, Cinci is alive and well, Denver... not so much. Oct 14 09:48:22 * CYA has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 09:48:42 "This was a triumph, I'm making a note here, huge success. It's hard to overstate my satisfaction. The Occupy Movement. We do we do what we must, because we can. For the good of all of us, except the ones in the Fed. But there's no sense fighting if we get roughed up, we just keep on trying till they run out of cuffs, as demonstrations get done, we will all stand as one, for the campsites that are still alive...." Oct 14 09:48:59 rr Oct 14 09:49:07 * OccupyBoston535 (~OccupyBos@96.237.hk.in) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:49:08 :) Oct 14 09:49:25 How many arrested in Denver? Still.going on? Oct 14 09:49:50 25 arrested at denver, everyone else stood down and saved what they could. Oct 14 09:50:13 * felix (~felix@84-369-35-695-inasnsvggb.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:50:26 http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19112322 <--- denver update Oct 14 09:51:19 anyone here from the media tent? as crackdowns like denver happen, the images should be sent to news outlets in other parts of the world Oct 14 09:51:24 * laiv (~laiv@46-618-51-542-zaviouzowh.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:51:26 They are confiscating stuff in tents Oct 14 09:51:27 so anyone know the second verse of still alive? and how we can turn it into a protest song? Oct 14 09:51:35 * marxistvegan (~marxistve@awqw-124-7-71-492.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:51:42 Hi marxist Oct 14 09:52:04 Hi Tracywork2 sorry I missed running into you yesterday Oct 14 09:52:08 @ Tracywork - seems to be winding down, 24 reprted arrested by local news. Oct 14 09:52:16 * calliope (~calliecha@50.12.ujx.ujy) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:52:26 freewill: who got arrested? Oct 14 09:52:32 any activity of the likes at the boston camp? Oct 14 09:52:34 I done think I lagged out again Oct 14 09:52:39 * ElliottTheMedic (~ElliottTh@d-69-21-930-860.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 09:52:41 let them apply some pressure, like two good examples: international pressure on the US during the freedom rides, and international pressure on the British during the protests at Dharasana Salt Works in Gujarat Oct 14 09:52:56 * ElliottTheMedic (~ElliottTh@d-69-21-930-860.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:53:05 Marxist: will you be there Saturday? Oct 14 09:53:12 for the march yeah Oct 14 09:53:13 @ marxistvegan - protesters in Denver. Oct 14 09:53:20 Support Denver Oct 14 09:53:36 any videos/stills from denver? Oct 14 09:53:45 freewill: oh yeah i was reading that this morning such bs how is assembling peacefully illegal Oct 14 09:53:46 They are clearing the park because the Navy has some kind of event coming up. Oct 14 09:54:17 freewill: seems more reason to reoccupy Oct 14 09:54:20 * MettaKreton (~user@130.64.rv.pgq) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:54:29 freewill: marxist: second that Oct 14 09:54:31 Where is the meeting place for the march? Oct 14 09:54:40 I hope Denver turns out for the event. Oct 14 09:55:09 apparently only 25 people got arrested at Denver Oct 14 09:55:13 sorry, i'll ask one more time then just walk down myself Oct 14 09:55:27 Tracywork2: I am not entirely sure Oct 14 09:55:32 * countershade (~phreaky@njo-kvll-iylhy-bwfmj.nds.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:55:33 is there any police activity at dewey like whats happening at denver/nyc? Oct 14 09:55:56 @ rj not right now. Oct 14 09:55:56 no Oct 14 09:56:03 ty Oct 14 09:56:08 and there's no activity in NYC either Oct 14 09:56:16 Oh, i am misinformed then, ty Oct 14 09:56:16 rj: there was some chatter about something going down on the 15th...but seems to have died down Oct 14 09:56:22 * calliope has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 09:56:27 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Demonstartion: Occupy Boston, Not Palestine - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=cDJsaGJhNG5vdTA2MjJ0Nm1sMm9vY3JsODAgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 14 09:56:52 who is this crisp guy? Oct 14 09:57:36 Is OB part of the march this Saturday? Not on the calendar. Oct 14 09:57:48 i assume its a bot, annoucning twitter feeds/cal updtes Oct 14 09:58:20 Tracywork2: it is a day of global action i can't imagine they wouldn't but it seems since the flooding in the mediatent that they have not reorganized things yet Oct 14 09:58:45 * Eli (~Eli@zgrpcjwc.org) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:59:12 * GeoBos (~GeoBos@128.197.tjo.xu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 09:59:24 i.e talking points, how to respond to arguments, what to chant, ect.)? Oct 14 09:59:32 all this talk about professional agitators joining occupy boston - I want a job as a professional agitator! Oct 14 09:59:32 where is the messaging section of this wiki Oct 14 09:59:42 i have to jet, but can someone link me? Oct 14 09:59:55 I was right outside last night. Funny. Just missed you. Oct 14 10:00:00 ElliottTheMedic and rj: crispusattucks is an eggdrop bot Oct 14 10:00:20 yeah, figured as much Oct 14 10:00:33 * GeoBos_ (~geobos@44-48-12-176-tokctbtb1b.bu.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:00:55 no mention of the 15th has been made at a ga that I've been to, except for occupy london's announcement that we agreed to support Oct 14 10:01:10 * separation (~separatio@e-52-91-479-592.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:01:10 maybe direct action will show us something soon Oct 14 10:01:19 Eli: I am a bit confused what are you looking for? Oct 14 10:01:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #OccupyBoston http://t.co/mCoJn8K0 - http://twitter.com/jeffige/statuses/124847000314318848 Oct 14 10:01:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Fara1: Went to bed, woke up, and discovered a half-dozen new Twitter smear campaigns against #OccupyBoston. - http://twitter.com/harmonywho/statuses/124847109605294080 Oct 14 10:01:41 * OccuB (~OccuB@199-188-765-203-goxmbuzjmi.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:01:52 aah Oct 14 10:01:59 * ElliottTheMedic has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 10:03:10 Can't be at camp today. Hope I find out what is going on tomorrow. Oct 14 10:03:13 * mojooccupy (~mojooccup@x-69-240-681-210.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:04:03 Denver guy just said all they will do is go across the street. Oct 14 10:05:19 * OccupyBoston127 (~OccupyBos@g-95-2-286-41.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:06:22 * OccupyBoston127 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 10:06:25 * OccuB has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 10:06:47 * OccuB (~OccuB@199-188-765-203-goxmbuzjmi.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:06:59 What happened with the OccupyBoston Live stream? Oct 14 10:08:06 * Jay_Guevara (~Jay_Gueva@dccz-03-50-062-994.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:08:27 GOOD MORNING REVOLUTIONARIES! Oct 14 10:08:31 * OccupyBoston768 (~OccupyBos@4.36.xtl.ymk) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:08:45 Good morning! Oct 14 10:08:48 http://www.ustream.tv/channel/big-whopper-comedy-show WE ARE LIVE talking about @OccupyWallSt Movements Oct 14 10:08:50 ello Oct 14 10:08:56 nice day huh? Oct 14 10:08:59 Hows the weather boston? Oct 14 10:09:06 good morning BigWhopper Oct 14 10:09:08 * farmerbob (~nobody@hksf-862-4-502-35.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:09:08 I am coming with my students so that they learn about true democracy Oct 14 10:09:25 are you near south station? Oct 14 10:09:35 The weather is wet and miserable, but we're happy to be out in it! Oct 14 10:10:52 hello 768 yes walk out south station door and there we are. Oct 14 10:10:55 the ustream is scary Oct 14 10:11:05 As soon as I finish my bowl of organic bran mush I'm off to scrounge up lumber. Wish me luck Oct 14 10:12:07 e will be there Oct 14 10:12:16 see you and good luck Oct 14 10:12:25 and so will we ! Oct 14 10:12:49 * OccupyBoston768 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 10:13:23 * theonlytruestyle2 (~theonlytr@017-076-586-16.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:13:26 * OccupyBoston380 (~OccupyBos@nrbs-73-071-084-002.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:13:37 brb Oct 14 10:13:49 keep it up all. be back later. Oct 14 10:13:57 strength to all at camp. Oct 14 10:14:37 * OccupyBoston510 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 10:14:52 * GeoBos_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 10:15:52 this morning was like (a really shitty) christmas: i woke up to find, neatly wrapped, several new right-wing smears circulating. Oct 14 10:15:57 my ustream is scary? Oct 14 10:16:35 I'd like to say GOOD MORNING to all of Mumble's e-spies monitoring the chat room, web site, and tweets! Also, Good Morning to all the right-wing trolls out there! Oct 14 10:16:42 I'm watching the ustream Oct 14 10:16:52 * greeny (~greeny@ynym-268-57-92-602.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:17:02 I dont think its scary personaly Oct 14 10:17:04 mumble mumble mumble Oct 14 10:18:04 Reuters is saying that we're funded by Soros! lol I guess they figured it out by how weaalthy we all are....lol Oct 14 10:18:11 http://www.openmediaboston.org/node/2051 Oct 14 10:18:24 george soros bought my beamer. Oct 14 10:18:35 but he wouldn't spring for the seatwarmers. Oct 14 10:18:48 * OccupyBoston783 (~OccupyBos@s-19-288-6-886.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:18:48 will do where and however i can Oct 14 10:19:03 ONOES THE FOOD TRUCK FESTIVAL WAS CANCELED? Oct 14 10:19:16 * felix has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 10:19:25 * Tracywork2 has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 14 10:19:30 He's cutting us a check for eleventybillion today. Keep up the good work, comrades, and the United Soviet States of America will be a reality in no time! Oct 14 10:19:59 The food festival trucks should come down anyway and sell to us! Oct 14 10:20:12 * OccupyBoston625 (~OccupyBos@p-23-84-261-236.hsd8.de.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:20:22 so what is this all about Oct 14 10:20:49 @ 625 - watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWyrk10_S84&feature=channel_video_title Oct 14 10:20:50 We want the letter "O" removed from the English alphabet Oct 14 10:20:58 soros will be here on sunday to give communion of baby flesh and liquid lsd. bring your satanic bibles and copies of capital. Oct 14 10:21:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @JoeCaruso: #occupyboston degenerates spat on a femal #coastguard member. These leftists hate the military. #commiewatch - http://twitter.com/tographer/statuses/124851956702392320 Oct 14 10:21:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #cot #obama #hillary give full support protests #occupydenver #occupyboston NOT USA. http://t.co/iQQXLF57 #ows disgraceful - http://twitter.com/laurenjbarnes/statuses/124852011802968067 Oct 14 10:21:37 * OccupyBoston586 (~OccupyBos@699-133-795-647-dilofxaqak.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:21:41 * OccupyBoston586 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 10:21:47 so you basicly want not to have to pay taxes Oct 14 10:21:52 The cops are clobbering Denver Oct 14 10:22:04 24 arrests, i read. Oct 14 10:22:17 are they getting hit???? Oct 14 10:22:22 is there a stream live right now? Oct 14 10:22:35 Not live Oct 14 10:22:53 hang on - I'll see if I can get some live news Oct 14 10:23:13 * Tracywork (~yaaic@50-36-052-047.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:23:21 seems they cleared the campsite, took the stuff, shut the park down. Oct 14 10:23:32 24 already arrested today Oct 14 10:25:06 It looks like they're slowly dribbling back Oct 14 10:25:13 * GeoBos_ (~geobos@pbnnct-018-584-539-573.mycingular.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:25:47 who is actually there Oct 14 10:26:03 let me see if they have any news chopper footage Oct 14 10:26:30 [Occupy Boston] United American Indians of New England (UAINE) supports Occupy Boston - http://occupyboston.com/2011/10/14/united-american-indians-of-new-england-uaine-supports-occupy-boston/ Oct 14 10:27:15 * sigmoid (~brandon@y-95-15-103-59.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:27:33 http://www.9news.com/video/player_live_2.aspx Oct 14 10:27:51 san diego now http://www.livestream.com/occupywallstreetsandiego Oct 14 10:28:15 Highly recommend this video: http://front.moveon.org/the-most-powerful-occupywallstreet-clip-you-will-see-this-month/ Oct 14 10:28:41 or use a shorter url: http://tinyurl.com/3u7944u Oct 14 10:29:18 * OccupyBoston526 (~OccupyBos@y-70-52-26-011.hsd2.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:29:26 It shows comparison to Occupy Movement to Middle East with Obama & Clinton commenting Oct 14 10:29:48 * OccupyBoston526 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 10:29:56 * OccupyBoston817 (~OccupyBos@y-70-52-26-011.hsd2.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:30:18 hello how long is this going on for Oct 14 10:30:34 until we get our country back Oct 14 10:30:37 Until we win Oct 14 10:30:48 a looooong, long time Oct 14 10:30:55 so i want to come down next weekend....will you folks be there Oct 14 10:31:02 until the link between corporations and gov't are broken. Oct 14 10:31:06 of course we'll be here Oct 14 10:31:15 come down now Oct 14 10:31:18 ok dont go away Oct 14 10:31:32 * OccupyBoston625 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 10:31:41 Bring chairs and lumber Oct 14 10:31:42 the IDEA will not go away. Oct 14 10:32:03 Jay, you at xamp? Oct 14 10:32:05 Do you guys need more wet weather gear or tarps? Oct 14 10:32:18 yes -- bring everything Oct 14 10:32:29 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Concert: Melodigo - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=dnZycWY4MmNsNGJ2N2lqOW81cnVkZHE0MjQgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 14 10:32:31 I want to film is that cool\ Oct 14 10:32:52 yes the more vid documentation the better Oct 14 10:33:06 * Eli has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 10:33:12 * separation has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 10:33:15 ok...and you guys are still gonna be there Oct 14 10:33:28 damn ustream commercials Oct 14 10:33:41 its not ending anytime soon OccupyBoston817 Oct 14 10:33:48 BigWhopper99: which ustream are you watching? Oct 14 10:33:58 it's going to rain ALL AFTERNOON and ALL EVENING. possible thunderstorms. Oct 14 10:34:04 im watching my own ustream and im watching denver. Oct 14 10:34:08 or eerie i think Oct 14 10:34:09 not sure. Oct 14 10:34:12 Im watching NYC. Oct 14 10:34:25 * OccupyBoston817 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 10:34:29 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Grade-In at S. Station w/Boston-area teachers - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=MDY1cWg0Z3I5amMzb29ic252Mjk5bXFib2sgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 14 10:34:31 * Tracywork has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 14 10:34:34 I am live on ustream right now, just pretty much talking to whoever wants to watch, no one really involved yet Oct 14 10:34:48 * bostongeorge (~bostongeo@g-90-289-265-158.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:35:32 bob-- it snowed on the guys who wintered at Valley Forge & they didn't have the gear we have today Oct 14 10:36:03 tracywork - no, I'm north scrounging up tables and lumber Oct 14 10:36:14 * hosap (~hosap@otkk-67-88-832-993.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:36:16 alo Oct 14 10:36:17 should be down by about 1:00 Oct 14 10:36:36 morning y'all Oct 14 10:36:45 hello, i just threw on some clothes and am gonna hop on the train Oct 14 10:36:55 morning hosap Oct 14 10:37:06 bg hey Oct 14 10:37:26 i was looking for you guys at the media tent last night Oct 14 10:37:38 tracy and lefty Oct 14 10:38:06 * Jay_Guevara has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 10:38:21 has there been any consideration of hatch shell/esplanade as possible future camp site? Oct 14 10:38:50 hosap, i believe that proposal was shut down Oct 14 10:38:55 ok Oct 14 10:39:03 the guys at valley forge had the cahones to actually fight the power though Oct 14 10:39:17 * sigmoid has quit (Quit: leaving) Oct 14 10:39:17 the stage and everythig would work so well though Oct 14 10:40:08 so Gram--are u saying we should arm ourselvs with guns? Oct 14 10:40:10 what about plan for sunday pseudo-consuming tactic. still in the works? Oct 14 10:40:29 no way we'd fit, the wind also often blows into the shell so it wouldn't offer as much protection as you'd suspect Oct 14 10:40:47 think about what direction it faces and the usual winter storm track Oct 14 10:40:57 pretty much lol Oct 14 10:41:08 shell faces more or less west Oct 14 10:41:16 yup Oct 14 10:41:25 i was just thinking that the wind anctually drifts the snow really bad up against the structure as well.. Oct 14 10:41:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @amandapalmer: anybody nearby, join. RT @Occupy_Boston #occupyboston #medic says bring liquid Maalox to camp's med tent for pepper spray neutralization. - http://twitter.com/harmonywho/statuses/124857155911286784 Oct 14 10:41:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @7WhiteRabbits: Photo of protester run over by police scooter a few hours ago: http://t.co/1zAkA20O #OccupyWallStreet #OccupyBoston #OWS - http://twitter.com/rosfeen/statuses/124857198143733760 Oct 14 10:41:34 * mojooccupy has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 10:41:52 would many people see occupiers at the esplanade/hatch shell? Oct 14 10:41:57 so I'm from places far colder and snowier, all you need to catch snow drifts is that orange checkered fence Oct 14 10:42:01 * Observer (~Observer@cibuuk.ummhc.org) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:42:17 * sigmoid (~brandon@y-95-15-103-59.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:42:19 still planning to do sunday pseudo-consumer tactic? Oct 14 10:42:33 I'm not sure what you're referring to hosap Oct 14 10:42:51 * Tracywork (~yaaic@50-36-052-047.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:42:55 dcr won't allow occupy at the esplanade Oct 14 10:43:00 hey tracy Oct 14 10:43:06 Hello Oct 14 10:43:09 * OccupyBoston488 (~OccupyBos@844-2-189-11.c3-6.arl-ubr5.sbo-arl.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:43:24 i looked for you and lefty last night Oct 14 10:43:41 Where were you? Oct 14 10:43:48 does anybody know why the website is silent about the march tomorrow? Oct 14 10:43:55 ummm i spoke at ga briefly Oct 14 10:44:00 i went to media Oct 14 10:44:03 * PseudoMe02 (~PseudoMe0@198.144.gzk.jiw) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:44:15 wouldn't the common itself be more visible? near park street/the statehouse? Oct 14 10:44:15 yesterday some chatter stated group considering to go to nearby mall, dressed as straights to blend in, and pretend to be interested in puchases and tie up clerks and bog down cosumer process Oct 14 10:44:20 i was washing dishes for a while Oct 14 10:44:36 I was in the audience. What did you speak about? Oct 14 10:44:47 greetings friends Oct 14 10:44:53 hosap, we are non violent Oct 14 10:45:00 hey pseudo Oct 14 10:45:10 pseudo hello Oct 14 10:45:29 bg big copy on that Oct 14 10:45:50 got a meeting today to see about launching Occupy Fall River chapter Oct 14 10:46:20 San Diego vid - http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tylerology Oct 14 10:46:28 already developing some innovative and adaptive urban guerilla tactics Oct 14 10:46:29 bg is tieing up a marketplace violence? Oct 14 10:46:30 Peace to my Fall River working class peeps. Oct 14 10:46:37 tracy people being a little kinder and tolerant to one another even though its been a really stressful week, because no-one should feel unwelcome. Oct 14 10:46:45 Cool Oct 14 10:47:07 i suddenly got super shy just before, not like me Oct 14 10:47:16 are you entertained. Am I boring you yet??? lol Oct 14 10:47:17 Pseudo -- if u are at OB, u might talk to logistics & media for siggestions. Oct 14 10:47:21 my one viewer. Oct 14 10:47:27 Will you be there we Sat? Oct 14 10:47:40 We are discussing beginnig with a city wide visiblity march to get blessed by multiple priests of different faiths Oct 14 10:47:45 pretty sure Oct 14 10:47:59 hey guys, sorry to repeat the qestion Oct 14 10:48:07 the event tomorrow is on facebook Oct 14 10:48:12 oh, ga is happening Oct 14 10:48:14 but not on the site Oct 14 10:48:23 I think it's pretty confusing Oct 14 10:48:27 Boston, are you usually in food? Oct 14 10:48:30 I had people ask me about it Oct 14 10:48:32 488, what are you talking about Oct 14 10:48:43 there is a march tomorrow Oct 14 10:48:49 that a good idea, pseudo Oct 14 10:48:52 uh huh? Oct 14 10:48:54 https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=263779310326791 Oct 14 10:48:58 this would bring in the churches support and do a jog on the righties Oct 14 10:49:15 job..ooops Oct 14 10:49:17 looks official Oct 14 10:50:00 thats awesome.. just wasnt sure which march you were referring to Oct 14 10:50:10 in addition it would do good to have priests involved to avoid violence from easily being provoked against the group Oct 14 10:50:29 nothing looks worst than police beating up priests Oct 14 10:50:33 I think not having the same info on the website confuses people Oct 14 10:51:18 pseudo "city wide visibility march" is best aspect of plan Oct 14 10:51:38 * Observer has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 10:51:40 agreed ..hosap Oct 14 10:52:17 i would find cops beating up priests pretty awesome Oct 14 10:52:33 +1 Oct 14 10:52:43 watch out for those irish priests :) Oct 14 10:52:48 christianity is a tool for control Oct 14 10:52:49 grammie -- r u a troll? Oct 14 10:52:50 no offence to anyone ...but i have a bit of experience as a Professionally trained power organizer ...did it for a few years til I realized the time wasn't right Oct 14 10:52:56 no i am serious Oct 14 10:53:07 cops and priests might as well be the same breed Oct 14 10:53:11 power organizer! Oct 14 10:53:27 sounds like a Microsoft product Oct 14 10:53:32 "PowerOrganizer" Oct 14 10:53:41 we have to appeal to the humanity under all clothing Oct 14 10:53:42 haha Microsoft Power Organizer 2006 Oct 14 10:53:44 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @Mitch_McK: A People's History of the US: "In Boston, by 1770, the top 1% of property owners owned 44% of the wealth." Familiar? @Occ ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124858149554495488 Oct 14 10:53:45 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @OccupyBosTech: Hello world! We'll be using this account to post news and updates for all the tech stuff happening at @Occupy_Boston - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124858440681144321 Oct 14 10:54:10 Nums beating perpper sprayed and beaten would have a far better effect in getting many many others to join the movement Oct 14 10:55:00 * OccupyBoston424 (~OccupyBos@uksf-33-68-25-542.prvdri.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:55:06 * Eli (~Eli@zgrpcjwc.org) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:55:08 pseudo -- don't focus too much on the possible violent reaction of police Oct 14 10:55:35 * OccupyBoston488 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 10:55:37 hey guys, at the GA on Weds the media working group talked about using this wiki to create a space for people to work on messaging Oct 14 10:55:40 talking points, ect. Oct 14 10:55:56 I can't find what they were talking about -- can anyone direct me? Oct 14 10:55:57 where is the march saturday? Oct 14 10:56:22 * OccupyBoston690 (~OccupyBos@btff-812-96-243-2.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:57:06 * PseudoMe02 (~PseudoMe0@198.144.gzk.jiw) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 10:57:07 Cities around the country are watching how others are handling this. Both NYC & Denver police decided to take action during day light as opposed to Boston's 1 am assault. Oct 14 10:57:18 * OccupyBoston439 (~OccupyBos@132.183.lj.yrs) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:57:19 March starts a th Park st. at one. March to Dewey Oct 14 10:57:21 wow, was just down at the camp site Oct 14 10:57:28 they caught someone trying to steal things from tents Oct 14 10:57:40 appeared that someone confronted the thief, a fight broke out Oct 14 10:57:49 but the group stopped it super quick, got the thief out of there Oct 14 10:58:04 yeah there have been theft problems, too many easily-opened bags Oct 14 10:58:05 they all did a good job Oct 14 10:58:23 * PseudoMe02 (~PseudoMe0@198.144.gzk.jiw) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 10:58:25 * OccupyBoston690 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 10:58:49 rj good to hear self-polcing is working Oct 14 10:59:11 yea, not sure if i would have let him walk off or hand him off to the police, not my call though. Oct 14 10:59:25 don't want people liek that coming back if they think they can get away with it >.> Oct 14 10:59:35 Rick Perry announcing he would open all federal land to oil drilling Oct 14 10:59:57 when do we not care what rick perry says? Oct 14 11:00:03 (i've personally never cared) Oct 14 11:00:06 any significant crowd of people will draw oppurtunists and the criminally minded Oct 14 11:00:23 good point hosap Oct 14 11:00:33 * OccupyBoston696 (~OccupyBos@f-452-40-959-909.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:00:50 t Oct 14 11:01:10 it's just an example of the extreme things being said that would further damage the envioment & promote corporations Oct 14 11:01:10 * OccupyBoston696 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 11:01:45 if I can get someone to stay in my apartment .... I really really want to come up tomorrow and Sunday Oct 14 11:01:58 * Tracywork has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 14 11:02:11 i have a diabetic cat and a job so it's hard to spend time at the camp Oct 14 11:02:41 I feel you Grammie ...got an Iguana and bird Oct 14 11:02:46 * Eli has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 11:03:10 just got an email reply from Boston Coast Gaurd on the spitting incedent - it is confirmed by them Oct 14 11:03:10 * bare has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 14 11:03:29 * OccupyBoston439 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 11:03:35 * bare (~pure@awlm-62-219-90-7.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:03:40 * Prosemom (~Prosemom@132.183.lj.yrs) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:03:49 Please issue and immediate appology and declare this was not condoned by us. Oct 14 11:04:13 hey good peeps, must do some hunting/gathering at supermarket, intend to back in afternoon later loves :) Oct 14 11:04:21 * hosap has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 11:04:37 share email addy for CG so we can all send apology. Oct 14 11:04:40 I am hearing that a femail coast guard officer was verbally and physically accosted while walking by you - is this true or right wing smearing??? Oct 14 11:05:36 @ Prosemom - see above . Oct 14 11:06:24 * PseudoMe02 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 11:06:26 Prosemom just joined.. sorry pasting. (11:03) (freewill) just got an email reply from Boston Coast Gaurd on the spitting incedent - it is confirmed by them Oct 14 11:06:35 does Occupy support the troops? Oct 14 11:06:47 Grammie: which ones? Oct 14 11:06:49 * PseudoMe02 (~PseudoMe0@198.144.gzk.jiw) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:06:59 the US ones killing foreign people abroad Oct 14 11:07:20 i mean the army is the original occupy Oct 14 11:07:25 technically, i mean, we're paying for their gear and food and stuff via taxes so yes. Oct 14 11:07:39 they occupy with guns so nobody can send their cops to kick them out Oct 14 11:07:56 so we support the troops? Oct 14 11:08:03 * Tracywork (~yaaic@50-36-052-047.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:08:06 * OccupyBoston416 (~OccupyBos@v-80-327-364-941.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:08:06 i love my friends who are soldiers. Oct 14 11:08:15 wb Tracy Oct 14 11:08:16 but i do not support American wars. Oct 14 11:08:21 * OccupyBoston416 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 11:08:23 do you support them being sent to countries they don't belong in Oct 14 11:08:36 i don't think occupy would be served by an official opinion on this Oct 14 11:08:38 I support the troops. The wars need to end. Oct 14 11:08:47 the nazi's supported their troops, too Oct 14 11:08:52 Grammie: no. Oct 14 11:08:54 so support the troops but not the army? Oct 14 11:08:59 war is not the troops fault Oct 14 11:09:08 support the troops, not the pentagon. Oct 14 11:09:10 the individuals are great people, everyone is, but the actions they are ordered to perform are not Oct 14 11:09:14 but nobody was forced to join and go Oct 14 11:09:20 Grammie: I disagree Oct 14 11:09:23 it the fault of those who send them Oct 14 11:09:25 forced, no. compelled, yes. Oct 14 11:09:31 plenty of inner city youth have no other options besides jail and the military Oct 14 11:09:31 tricked maybe Oct 14 11:09:35 I think we learned that lesson during/after VietNam Oct 14 11:09:37 thats not true Oct 14 11:09:44 they could sell drugs or strip Oct 14 11:09:49 then jail Oct 14 11:09:53 * OccupyBoston966 (~OccupyBos@z-92-61-181-99.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:09:59 That bums me out that the female cg officer was accosted. Women constantly live with the knowledge that we live in a rape culture and the fact that she was threatened makes me question you guys... Oct 14 11:10:04 better than being a murderer for an oil death squad Oct 14 11:10:18 i don't support all the troops Oct 14 11:10:22 people of privelge seem to have a really hard time understanding how few the options can be for some poor inner city youth Oct 14 11:10:26 Prosemom: why should the actions of a few cause you to cast doubt on a whole group? Oct 14 11:10:36 * OccupyBoston786 (~OccupyBos@gapl.purma.org) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:10:41 i am poor and i would never sign up to go kill people that did nothing wrong Oct 14 11:10:42 so if i take the rail into south station can i get there Oct 14 11:10:50 "it's always the old who send us to war, always the young who fall.." P. Ochs Oct 14 11:10:53 i'd rather be poor than a fool Oct 14 11:11:01 783. wish we had phil ochs. Oct 14 11:11:01 OccupyBoston966: yes, its right there at dewey square as soon as you exit Oct 14 11:11:25 should we not be careful to avoid dividing ourselves...rather than focus on common bonds for the movement? Oct 14 11:11:28 people who join the army are idiots knowing what our government has done Oct 14 11:11:29 i just moved to cape cod and want to make it in tomorrow not familir with the area Oct 14 11:11:44 i think complete dissent is best Oct 14 11:11:46 i'd avoid using too many negatives in one sentence Oct 14 11:11:50 * pierre790 (~pierre790@sbvg-64-136-637-222.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:11:53 so dewey square is right out of south station? Oct 14 11:12:03 * OccupyBoston275 (~OccupyBos@q-65-21-820-454.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:12:13 There is an occupy cape cod movement starting up here too 966. I live in Wareham, upper Cape if you wanna go into the city sometime. Oct 14 11:12:17 if you go too hard against mainstream you're going to lose people at best, make enemies at worse. Oct 14 11:12:18 Im documenting alot of the movement too Oct 14 11:12:20 * OccupyBoston786 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 11:12:26 it's pretty clear that, as the occupy* movement becomes larger and more visible, agents provocateurs/infiltrators/smear attempts will also increase in frequency and audacity. Oct 14 11:12:30 A lot of people that join the army do not know or understand the greater political picture, and thus see nothing wrong with the military. It is a job, when there are not to many Oct 14 11:12:34 Thats a good point - I guess I am holding the Occupy peeps to a higher standard. I am planning on heading down to Boston with my one year old tomorrow to join you all. Oct 14 11:12:39 * OccupyBoston275 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 11:13:02 farmerbob: yes. that's why we need a clear message. people are way to open to suggestion right now. Oct 14 11:13:24 Prosemom: nobody has heard from the person who was supposedly spat upon Oct 14 11:13:25 support the troops is a trick to make people sympathetic to the absurd endeavors of our government Oct 14 11:13:47 there appears to be a confrontational group attempting to get itself launched ...the 53%ers who are probably finances by the opposition Oct 14 11:13:48 * rj has quit (Quit: /) Oct 14 11:13:51 i'd sooner be a juggalo than a soldier Oct 14 11:13:59 that's very telling. Oct 14 11:14:01 juggalette* Oct 14 11:14:15 this is awesome bout time Oct 14 11:14:16 ;0 Oct 14 11:14:42 * PseudoMe02 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 11:15:08 How many people are at Dewy square?? Oct 14 11:15:17 come find out Oct 14 11:15:18 :) Oct 14 11:15:21 we've been duped. do you feel like hating all the dudes with assault rifles, artillary experience, explosives experts, etc? Oct 14 11:15:25 Occuopy Occupy Wall Street has sprung up -- oows.org Oct 14 11:15:29 cos i was thinking it might be good to have them on our side later Oct 14 11:15:33 I'm in New Jersey....I can't Oct 14 11:15:55 Must be an Occupy NJ starting up near u Oct 14 11:16:01 pierre790: varies throughout the day Oct 14 11:16:12 hundreds attend the evening ga Oct 14 11:16:13 I haven't heard of one yet....... Oct 14 11:16:27 Was there a check within the group when the cg assault happened? Oct 14 11:16:42 search the 'net, twitter, fBook Oct 14 11:16:52 Prosemom: has anyone come forward to say they were the victim? Oct 14 11:17:04 pierre790 , check out occupytogether there are a bunch of occupies in new jersey Oct 14 11:17:21 http://www.meetup.com/occupytogether/ Oct 14 11:17:23 I just sent an apology email to USCG about incedent - will you stand silent or condem this act? 1st District USCG Boston Public Affairs internal@piersystem.com Oct 14 11:17:33 * Jay_Guevara (~Jay_Gueva@dccz-03-50-062-994.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:17:35 oows.org is hilarious. Oct 14 11:17:46 This is all new info and Im trying to suss out what really happened...didnt someone here say the cg confirmed? Oct 14 11:17:46 Are we sure the spitting thing happened? Oct 14 11:17:51 freewill: has anyone come forward to say they are the victim Oct 14 11:17:55 I've seen no proof Oct 14 11:18:03 i've seen no reports outside of fox news affiliates. Oct 14 11:18:08 until we have an accuser there is nothing done wrong Oct 14 11:18:13 thnx for email addy -- will do. Oct 14 11:18:19 the ability to confront your accuser is a constitutional right first off Oct 14 11:18:29 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] UU Vespers Service - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=bXBhNm1hamsxMG0yc21lYTNwbHFxbTA1azggOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 14 11:18:30 * Kirmz (bob@wqt527c7258li85-jn903vz381963k.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:18:36 and second, until there is a person it is legally hearsay Oct 14 11:18:47 Thats why I came here...I wanted to see what the actual group has to say! Oct 14 11:18:48 * Henrik has quit (Quit: Speek Freely!) Oct 14 11:19:01 Prosemom: if it happened I would be deepyl apologetic Oct 14 11:19:06 w00t!!!!! Just scored 4 event tables from a church! As soon as they're loaded I'm off to find 2x4s Oct 14 11:19:09 but right now it seems like a fox news smear campaign Oct 14 11:19:09 From : Luke ClaytonDate : 10/14/11 10:53 Mr. Freewill Cote, I can confirm that report. The incident occurred Oct. 13, 2011. Best, Petty Officer 3rd Class Luke Clayton(617) 223-8515 Oct 14 11:19:36 to whom, when and where? Oct 14 11:20:10 If it did or didnt happen wpu;dnt you all on the ground know? Oct 14 11:20:49 * Prosemom has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 11:20:52 How could we know any more than you? Have you got a link I can visit to learn more? Oct 14 11:21:02 * prosemom (~prosemom@132.183.lj.yrs) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:21:15 How could we know any more than you? Have you got a link I can visit to learn more? Oct 14 11:21:20 there are hundreds and sometimes thousands of people, how could everyone know everything? Oct 14 11:21:24 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Fara1: So much for needing a permit. RT @bmelican: United American Indians of New England supports #OccupyBoston http://t.co/PbtRh8fv - http://twitter.com/KMBTweets/statuses/124867104599048192 Oct 14 11:21:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @setv: The original Occupy Wall Street protester http://t.co/gKzWZYqt #occupywallstreet #ows #occupyboston #occupylosangeles #occupychicago - http://twitter.com/basheerMoh/statuses/124867243086594048 Oct 14 11:21:27 * pierre790 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 11:21:40 Jay_Guevara: right now its only on fox news and we shouldn't be giving them traffic for these articles Oct 14 11:22:25 If you have adblock the traffic doesn't matter Oct 14 11:22:28 everytime we visit a fox news web page against us we give them a strong financial incentive to keep creating news opposing us Oct 14 11:22:34 laiv: thats a lie Oct 14 11:22:44 it still increases their page impressions allowing them to sell ads for more money Oct 14 11:22:45 I dont mean to be contentious and I understand that a lot of people are there but it seems like an incident that would be investigated within the group. Oct 14 11:23:03 prosemom: we can't investigate unless there is an accuser, a time, and a place Oct 14 11:23:12 why is that so difficult to understand? Oct 14 11:23:30 just ready to leave for there, looks like a crazy morning.... see you soon. :) Oct 14 11:23:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @JeffSharlet: It's a good morning after all. Celebrate w/ yr favorite writers @ http://t.co/8LAiE3Pi, virtual general assembly of 200 ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124866084502372353 Oct 14 11:23:40 fantastic bostongeorge, see you soon Oct 14 11:23:52 I agree. The righties are still ashamed about spitting on some Dem congressman and yelling at Barney Frank. They desperately want to accuse us of doing the same. Stil, it's not exactly our style Oct 14 11:23:57 But the ads themselves wouldn't get any impressions, and that destroys the credibility for selling the ads. I may be wrong Oct 14 11:24:30 Prosemom - are you a troll? Oct 14 11:24:42 laiv: if you get 1 million impressions each ad you sell can be worth more than if you only get 100,000 page impressions Oct 14 11:24:57 Its not difficult to understand - why is it difficult for you to understand my concern??? I am a vocal supporter of you all and as a woman I want to know that this is unacceptable within the group and dealt with. Oct 14 11:25:17 If its true that is... Oct 14 11:25:17 prosemom: it is a rumor and nothing more at this time Oct 14 11:25:19 What's alleged to have happened? Oct 14 11:25:27 So deal with it. Innvestigate it yourself and get back to us. Oct 14 11:25:32 dsws: someone is rumored to have spit upon a female coast guard member Oct 14 11:25:43 dsws: there is no accuser, there is no time, there is no place Oct 14 11:25:47 on fox news only? Oct 14 11:25:49 Yes, YOU, Prosemom. This whole thing is leaderless Oct 14 11:25:49 * bostongeorge has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 11:25:51 there is no conceivable way to look into this Oct 14 11:26:04 dsws: it was first repored by fox news Oct 14 11:26:15 And no reason to suppose that the perpetrator, if any, had anything to do with occupy, right? Oct 14 11:26:25 Let's forget about it until Prosemom gets back to us with some facts Oct 14 11:26:26 we have no way of even trying to figure it out Oct 14 11:26:31 it's only on fox Oct 14 11:26:32 I realize that, but if 10% of those 1 million impressions have ad block on, an advertiser wouldnt pay as much as 1 million with 1% ad block etc Oct 14 11:26:39 no other media covered this Oct 14 11:26:50 Jay_Guevara: when you say "us" are you saying we're dems? Oct 14 11:26:59 No I am not a troll! I am a suporter - I was actually on boston.com defending you all tooth and nail and when I heard about the cg rumor I came here to get facts - geez please dont be so hostile to someone simply asking for clarification from the source! Oct 14 11:27:03 Let's just forget about it. It never happened. She's a troll Oct 14 11:27:04 * OccupyBoston966 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 11:27:13 * jproulx (~jon@fxlv.csail.mit.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:27:14 laiv: the only metrics they keep track of are page impressions and ad clicks, most major websites sell by page impressions which is why they often have articles paginated across multiple pages Oct 14 11:27:23 left leaning, maybe.. but democrats and republicans are both sellouts Oct 14 11:27:34 I don't see any way of knowing whether she's a troll or not. Oct 14 11:27:45 SO INVESTIGATE IT, THEN! YOU, PERSONALLY! THEN GET BACK TO US! Oct 14 11:28:04 but we don't know anything about it, so there's nothing to say Oct 14 11:28:20 prosemom: like i said before, the people in here do not represent the feelings of the movement. everyone has their own opinion. Oct 14 11:28:29 * OccupyWorcester (~OccupyWor@84-687-114-238.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:28:44 prosemom: research everything for yourself. people are going to be insecure and passionate and confused. Oct 14 11:28:44 How about we wait, if it happened there would be witnesses, im sure it will be dealt with or shown to be false by media Oct 14 11:28:54 * OccupyBoston851 (~OccupyBos@134.241.l.pk) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:29:02 OB media, not general media Oct 14 11:29:13 it's a bs story Oct 14 11:29:19 obvs Oct 14 11:29:22 Sorry to have disturbed you all with a question...I cant be there and honestly just wanted an answer...I am seriously turned off right now Oct 14 11:29:28 prosemom: in this case, VERY defensive. Oct 14 11:29:48 prosemom: all your questions about this have been answered fully. We can't figure this out until our constitutional right to face our accuser has been granted. We have no person, we have no time of incident, and we don't even know where it took place. With hundreds to thousands of members of the occupy movement at any given time, there is no way we can know what everyone's actions are. We have no proof of anyone being spat on. We have Oct 14 11:29:48 no proof anyone spitting was within the movement. Currently this is just a rumor started by Fox news. If you can give us concrete evidence otherwise, great. If not please contribute to the conversations in this room in another manner outside of this terrible rumor. Oct 14 11:29:51 hows the vibe in boston i wasnt able to make it today Oct 14 11:29:58 So instead of being turned off, look into and see if it really happened Oct 14 11:30:15 turn on baby Oct 14 11:30:18 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Loving Kindness Meditation - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=dnZpMDlxOW12MGkycG5rcWEzbGE2YzJsdDAgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 14 11:30:56 peace love and all that mom Oct 14 11:31:10 yea i doubt any protestors would do such a thing if it was a corporate business man then ya mayb it would be true but someone from the coast gaurd def no Oct 14 11:31:15 OK -- but freewill said he got a confirmation from CG and gave the name of Petty Officer 3rd Class Luke Clayton as the person he heard from. Oct 14 11:31:28 OccupyBoston783: that tells us nothing Oct 14 11:31:47 did it say who? where? a description of the person doing the spitting? Oct 14 11:31:55 prosemom: what I can say is there are many verterans down there, non of whom witnessed anything and none of whom belive it could have happened. So even if someone diod so it is certainly nothing like a common of accepted action Oct 14 11:31:55 not at all Oct 14 11:32:06 prosemom, are there any details of the alleged incident? Oct 14 11:32:21 no Oct 14 11:32:29 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Meditation with Ryuoh Shonin of the Nichiren Buddhist Sangha of Greater New England - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=Y3BldnBsZ3VpbXNybGxqaHRmdGJqdjU1N2sgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 14 11:32:29 it's on fox Oct 14 11:32:30 just the name of the officer and thats it Oct 14 11:32:33 * OccupyBoston407 (~OccupyBos@192.138.lzs.poz) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:32:41 we should ignore this topic Oct 14 11:32:49 * OccupyBoston407 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 11:32:58 grammie are u in boston now im from lawrence Oct 14 11:33:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @annieshreff: @AlanKhazei tells Brookline Democrats @occupy_boston isn't going away and Theres something stirring in this country. ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124869824986890241 Oct 14 11:33:46 i am in boston Oct 14 11:33:50 i live near the camp Oct 14 11:34:04 * OccupyBoston734 (~OccupyBos@216.163.why.m) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:34:04 67/f/boston Oct 14 11:34:26 "The Coast Guard in Boston confirmed that a woman in uniform was harassed and spat upon near Occupy Boston protesters." - So, it happened NEAR Occupy Boston protestors. But was it US? or just some random guys who happened to be near us? As far as I know, nobody here has a beef with the Coast Guard Oct 14 11:34:44 where the ppl arrested let go already Oct 14 11:35:11 whre the ppl arrested let go already? Oct 14 11:35:20 yup Oct 14 11:35:37 * OccupyBoston851 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 11:35:39 Yah, forget about it. Fox news will eventually blame us for El Nino and the bedbug epidemic, anyway Oct 14 11:35:53 Not only that, but even last night there was a guy in uniform at camp and was treated warmly by everyone as far as I saw. so if this even happened it was prob people outside of occupy trying to give us a bad name Oct 14 11:35:54 * OccupyBoston906 (~OccupyBos@134.241.l.pk) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:36:09 Where the ppl arrested let go already ? Oct 14 11:36:21 laiv: there is an entire marine tent at the camp Oct 14 11:36:29 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] March & Rally to Stop the Wars at Home and Abroad - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=ZmxkMTUxcWwxYW03OWduYXA4anR1N3NvaWsgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 14 11:36:45 We've got vets galore there. I'm one Oct 14 11:37:04 Perhaps we should invite her down? I'm certain her reception would disprove any association between her incident and the occupation. Oct 14 11:37:14 there are veterans and actives all over the camp. during the mess on monday night, one of the veterans for peace was shoved down and had his leg all banged up. another had his hat knocked off and hit the ground pretty hard himself. Oct 14 11:37:57 Hi, I'm a Boston public school teacher and I'm planning to bring two high school classes down to Occupy Boston to film, photograph, and do interviews. We're planning to come Wednesday morning from 8:45-9:45, and Thursday from 10:15-11:15. I just wanted to give everyone a heads up. It would be great if we could interview multiple occupiers. Thanks, Leo Oct 14 11:38:15 i think that story is bs cuz seriously we have vets and some active dutie soldiers mariens and u think someone would do that Oct 14 11:38:28 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Class and the Shift in the Distribution of Income Against Workers and in favor of Capitalists - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=bWZlZzB1cjZlNGpoaGE2bmg5bTlmdmM2bGMgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 14 11:38:52 Come on down, Leo! There will be plenty of people to interview Oct 14 11:39:07 hows the movement now in boston Oct 14 11:39:17 I think some random passer-by might get belligerent with some other random passer-by, and it wouldn't matter whether a whole convocation of saints was there a hundred yards away in camp. Oct 14 11:39:29 There's no way we can say it didn't happen. Oct 14 11:39:44 you don't have to prove a negative. Oct 14 11:40:22 thats true Oct 14 11:40:31 * Henrik (tzy@ef1x10hd0.dhcp.bluecom.no) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:40:38 is any one from lawrence Oct 14 11:40:45 Eveybody - post to freecycle.org for stuff we need Oct 14 11:41:03 I lived in Lawrence for 14 years. Lovely town! lol Oct 14 11:41:11 * Erik (~Erik@s-80-49-672-172.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:41:23 hello Oct 14 11:41:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] this #Iran #Saudi plot is an obvious set up nd a mockery of our intelligence. Dont be fooled/distracted #occupyboston #occupywallstreet - http://twitter.com/seyyedreza/statuses/124872162820620288 Oct 14 11:41:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @7WhiteRabbits: Photo of protester run over by police scooter a few hours ago: http://t.co/1zAkA20O #OccupyWallStreet #OccupyBoston #OWS - http://twitter.com/MrsDeTellis/statuses/124872177752342528 Oct 14 11:41:30 * BigWhopper99 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 11:41:42 lol not that lovely with all the violence thats been happening Oct 14 11:41:59 * prosemom has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 11:42:07 i heard 129 got arrested Oct 14 11:42:27 how many people are still occuying Oct 14 11:42:40 but i will lopve to start an occupy boston even thought theres violence we come toghther as a whole for great cause like we did on september 11 a march for peace for the family that was Oct 14 11:42:44 murder Oct 14 11:42:56 * OccupyBoston734 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 11:43:29 how can i occupy lawrence Oct 14 11:43:32 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] FSU: Why Unemployment Is So High and How We Can Reduce It - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=aGM1NzU5NGJrcWMzY2lwc2ZxbjA1cDI3cm8gOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 14 11:43:36 * OccupyBoston976 (~OccupyBos@63.85.uys.wrl) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:43:52 906 - did they really lay off 40 cops? Oct 14 11:44:06 * OccupyBoston976 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 11:44:16 in lawrence yes the state police has been here helping out Oct 14 11:44:23 Jesus Oct 14 11:44:33 yea the state police has been here helping out Oct 14 11:44:50 You speak spanish? You could start OccupyLawrence Oct 14 11:45:09 yea Oct 14 11:45:18 * OccupyBoston906 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 11:45:20 * OccupyBoston203 (~OccupyBos@134.241.l.pk) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:45:21 * OccupyBoston203 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 11:45:22 * OccupyBoston486 (~OccupyBos@134.241.l.pk) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:45:22 * Caper (~Caper@d-57-43-576-75.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:45:40 yea they did the state police has been here since helping out Oct 14 11:45:56 Erik Monday night 141 arrests, everyone got out hundresds more remaind at camp, not sure numbers right now Oct 14 11:46:16 thanks Oct 14 11:46:26 i need to go and join Oct 14 11:46:29 how can i start occupy lawrence thats where i live Oct 14 11:46:29 * libgal (~libgal@132.183.lj.yrs) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:46:32 * OccupyBoston425 (~OccupyBos@209.6.s.vj) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:47:07 I'll tell you one thing, if OccupyLawrence ever happens the cops will think twice about evicting THEM! Christ, they'd be facing machine guns and handgrenades Oct 14 11:47:18 * Caper (~Caper@d-57-43-576-75.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 11:47:37 occupyboston486 im from lawrence as well Oct 14 11:47:50 and i go up to boston farely often to camp Oct 14 11:47:55 lol thats a def Oct 14 11:47:59 if you need a rideand wont mug me le tme know haha Oct 14 11:48:07 It is easy to start an Occupy group. Check Facebook, see if there is a page. If there is, ask to be a part of it and see how they're communicating. If there isn't, create one and start getting the message out. Oct 14 11:48:10 486 - start grabbing tents and making signs, and then pick a park downtown Oct 14 11:48:24 idont think lawrence will be the best place to occupy Oct 14 11:48:27 moon email me nalba05@gmail.com i would love to go with someone i tend to go by my self Oct 14 11:48:31 the commons would be best Oct 14 11:48:36 but anyone from lawrence who needs a ride to boston let me know in a pm Oct 14 11:48:42 i def wont im nice Oct 14 11:48:53 * inner_vacations (~inner_vac@d66-587-48-883.cntcnh.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:49:01 Lawrence is perfect if you want this movement to be anything other than lily white Oct 14 11:49:09 ... Oct 14 11:49:14 Latinos and lots of 'em Oct 14 11:49:16 we have a big opark in front of city hall that is a great place Oct 14 11:49:17 He's gotta point there. Oct 14 11:49:39 * OccupyBoston425 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 11:49:52 * We_The_People (47e89dca@bkalh1.mibbit.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:49:56 moon do u have an email Oct 14 11:50:05 The Coast Guard in Boston confirmed that a woman in uniform was harassed and spat upon near Occupy Boston protesters. The woman was walking to the train and said protesters spit on her twice, called her foul names and even threw a water bottle at her. Oct 14 11:50:06 The Coast Guard in Boston confirmed that a woman in uniform was harassed and spat upon near Occupy Boston protesters. The woman was walking to the train and said protesters spit on her twice, called her foul names and even threw a water bottle at her. Oct 14 11:50:07 The Coast Guard in Boston confirmed that a woman in uniform was harassed and spat upon near Occupy Boston protesters. The woman was walking to the train and said protesters spit on her twice, called her foul names and even threw a water bottle at her. Oct 14 11:50:08 The Coast Guard in Boston confirmed that a woman in uniform was harassed and spat upon near Occupy Boston protesters. The woman was walking to the train and said protesters spit on her twice, called her foul names and even threw a water bottle at her. Oct 14 11:50:10 The Coast Guard in Boston confirmed that a woman in uniform was harassed and spat upon near Occupy Boston protesters. The woman was walking to the train and said protesters spit on her twice, called her foul names and even threw a water bottle at her. Oct 14 11:50:11 The Coast Guard in Boston confirmed that a woman in uniform was harassed and spat upon near Occupy Boston protesters. The woman was walking to the train and said protesters spit on her twice, called her foul names and even threw a water bottle at her. Oct 14 11:50:13 The Coast Guard in Boston confirmed that a woman in uniform was harassed and spat upon near Occupy Boston protesters. The woman was walking to the train and said protesters spit on her twice, called her foul names and even threw a water bottle at her. Oct 14 11:50:13 I think occupyboston needs to get 94.5 to set up a tent and do a broadcast to all the hip hop listeners Oct 14 11:50:14 The Coast Guard in Boston confirmed that a woman in uniform was harassed and spat upon near Occupy Boston protesters. The woman was walking to the train and said protesters spit on her twice, called her foul names and even threw a water bottle at her. Oct 14 11:50:15 The Coast Guard in Boston confirmed that a woman in uniform was harassed and spat upon near Occupy Boston protesters. The woman was walking to the train and said protesters spit on her twice, called her foul names and even threw a water bottle at her. Oct 14 11:50:17 The Coast Guard in Boston confirmed that a woman in uniform was harassed and spat upon near Occupy Boston protesters. The woman was walking to the train and said protesters spit on her twice, called her foul names and even threw a water bottle at her. Oct 14 11:50:18 The Coast Guard in Boston confirmed that a woman in uniform was harassed and spat upon near Occupy Boston protesters. The woman was walking to the train and said protesters spit on her twice, called her foul names and even threw a water bottle at her. Oct 14 11:50:19 The Coast Guard in Boston confirmed that a woman in uniform was harassed and spat upon near Occupy Boston protesters. The woman was walking to the train and said protesters spit on her twice, called her foul names and even threw a water bottle at her. Oct 14 11:50:21 The Coast Guard in Boston confirmed that a woman in uniform was harassed and spat upon near Occupy Boston protesters. The woman was walking to the train and said protesters spit on her twice, called her foul names and even threw a water bottle at her. Oct 14 11:50:22 The Coast Guard in Boston confirmed that a woman in uniform was harassed and spat upon near Occupy Boston protesters. The woman was walking to the train and said protesters spit on her twice, called her foul names and even threw a water bottle at her. Oct 14 11:50:23 The Coast Guard in Boston confirmed that a woman in uniform was harassed and spat upon near Occupy Boston protesters. The woman was walking to the train and said protesters spit on her twice, called her foul names and even threw a water bottle at her. Oct 14 11:50:25 The Coast Guard in Boston confirmed that a woman in uniform was harassed and spat upon near Occupy Boston protesters. The woman was walking to the train and said protesters spit on her twice, called her foul names and even threw a water bottle at her. Oct 14 11:50:26 Who has !ops? Oct 14 11:50:26 We_The_People: chill out Oct 14 11:50:26 The Coast Guard in Boston confirmed that a woman in uniform was harassed and spat upon near Occupy Boston protesters. The woman was walking to the train and said protesters spit on her twice, called her foul names and even threw a water bottle at her. Oct 14 11:50:28 The Coast Guard in Boston confirmed that a woman in uniform was harassed and spat upon near Occupy Boston protesters. The woman was walking to the train and said protesters spit on her twice, called her foul names and even threw a water bottle at her. Oct 14 11:50:29 DUDE STOP THAT Oct 14 11:50:30 * We_The_People has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 11:51:21 gymnopilus.junonius@gmail.com Oct 14 11:51:22 One source prints a stupid fabrication, and that is all anyone hears about the movement. BPD BEATS for veterans, barely a batting of an eyelash. Oct 14 11:51:44 shes lying, or there is more to it then what you wrote. Oct 14 11:51:53 ^ lying. Oct 14 11:52:10 It was a lie Fox started. Oct 14 11:52:15 As I was saying, 94.5 could broadcast live from the protest, and we could start getting people from Dot and JP Oct 14 11:52:18 I heard about it last night. Oct 14 11:53:03 I doubt it's a lie exactly, I suspect the incedent happened but I"m certain if it did it was only coincidentally near teh Occupy site Oct 14 11:53:03 * Erik has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 11:53:08 I'm from dot. and isint there a charity event in JP this weekened for OB? Oct 14 11:53:13 it could have been done by someone not from the movement too. it is a public place! Oct 14 11:53:24 Anyone who's been there has seen how much Verterans get teh love there... Oct 14 11:53:35 Hell, let's get The Nation up in here. Maybe I'll ring Final Call Oct 14 11:53:39 hazard: are you on? Oct 14 11:53:40 I believe this was the origin: http://www.myfoxboston.com//dpp/news/local/occupy-boston-protesters-spit-on-coast-guard-member-20111013 Oct 14 11:53:40 * OccupyBoston783 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 11:53:41 * KeKe_brb (KeKe_brb@47g0279u.bb.sky.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:53:44 * inner_vacations has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 11:53:54 * OccupyBoston911 (~OccupyBos@w-83-05-637-681.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:53:56 please do not visit that link Oct 14 11:54:00 * inner_vacations (~inner_vac@d66-587-48-883.cntcnh.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:54:15 It is all lies and bullshit. Anyone with a brain knows that. Oct 14 11:54:15 laiv I think there's a benefit show at teh Midway Cafe in JP, not sure who's playing it Oct 14 11:54:17 I guarantee you every time any one of us visits, ad block or not, it is like giving money to fox Oct 14 11:54:27 why Oct 14 11:54:34 * OccupyBoston486 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 11:55:25 * OccupyBoston882 (~OccupyBos@204.45.ops.wur) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:55:54 * OccupyBoston297 (~OccupyBos@24.75.yh.th) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 11:56:01 * Jay_Guevara has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 11:56:04 OWS everyone should be reading this. http://books.google.com/books?id=qSs5AAAAMAAJ&pg=PP10#v=onepage&q&f=false Oct 14 11:56:15 * yuriwho has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 14 11:56:27 OccupyWorcester anyone with a brain who's been down already knows that. It is damaging slander, though winning over people who take fox news seriously is probably far from our current reach... Oct 14 11:56:51 OWS everyone should be reading this. http://books.google.com/books?id=qSs5AAAAMAAJ&pg=PP10#v=onepage&q&f=false Oct 14 11:57:15 I'd read Art of War by Sun Tzu as well Oct 14 11:57:51 sure but this pertains a little more to the reasons of OCCUPY Oct 14 11:57:53 * KeKe_brb has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 11:58:18 hey, I have a question. How come there are so many occupys and not just clumped into giant regional ones? Oct 14 11:58:37 you'd get channel flooding with unessicery info Oct 14 11:58:58 i meant the main occupy movements, not the ircs Oct 14 11:59:20 greeny: cos everyone has their own gripes. why u wanna homogenize everything, bro? Oct 14 11:59:28 greeny: for starters, not everybody can drop everything and get out a city 300 miles away Oct 14 11:59:35 to a city* Oct 14 11:59:49 @jproulx agreed Oct 14 12:00:16 * yuriwho (~yuri@w93-81-55-785.home2.cgocable.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 12:00:32 * OccupyBoston821 (~OccupyBos@68.162.vol.nr) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 12:00:56 * OccupyBoston821 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 12:01:11 everyone should be fighting on a more local level anyways Oct 14 12:01:26 OWS everyone should be reading this. http://books.google.com/books?id=qSs5AAAAMAAJ&pg=PP10#v=onepage&q&f=false Oct 14 12:01:59 well, when I was talking to my friend the other day saying how cool it was that more and more cities are doing this, brought up woucester, and then he threw a fastball with "it takes like 6 dollars and 2 hours to get here from there" Oct 14 12:02:11 and i couldnt respond Oct 14 12:02:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Right. Because it's a concert more than anything. Ugh... RT @OccupyBostonMus Plenty of music this weekend at #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/DaddyFiles/statuses/124877467755352064 Oct 14 12:02:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] The President of my company is featured on http://t.co/CTqpqDZq today regarding #occupyboston. - http://twitter.com/laurissaleigh/statuses/124877562420789249 Oct 14 12:02:39 I have to step away from the computer for a while: anyone from Occupy Boston who needs contact with Worcester, email occupyworcester@gmail.com and I will make sure everything reaches relevant people. Oct 14 12:03:01 We're still getting the working groups organized and people involved Oct 14 12:03:05 * OccupyBoston911 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 12:03:07 * inner_vacations has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 12:03:25 It allows people like me who work to still show up. If it was 2 hours away I would never be able to make it on weekdays Oct 14 12:05:42 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @BosPublicMarket: .@Occupy_Boston all our vendors accept SNAP at the farmers market, and SNAP customers can actually buy food for ha ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124875648736043008 Oct 14 12:07:51 OWS everyone should be reading this. http://books.google.com/books?id=qSs5AAAAMAAJ&pg=PP10#v=onepage&q&f=false Oct 14 12:09:21 * micah (~micah@riseup.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 12:09:30 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] FSU: An Introduction to the Solidarity Economy - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=bWZobDN2NzcxMzJtZjUyMjFqNGdraGozN3MgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 14 12:09:31 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] FSU: Neo-liberal Dispossession and the Demand for Demands - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=ZTFwZ2xxb2praXJnOXVnMWMzaGZpZ25vNjQgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 14 12:09:58 * GeoBos_ has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi) Oct 14 12:10:42 CNN interviewed 2 guys in suits a while ago who said they represented OccupyOccupyWallStreet . CNN now reports that these 2 guys are comedians spoofing WALL ST. TYPES. Oct 14 12:11:16 * huxley (~hux@343-808-376-987.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 12:12:19 nice work, CNN. pulitzer's in the bag. Oct 14 12:12:31 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] FSU: Whiteness and Ally-Ship - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=dG9pb3ZrYnFxN3NmcWU4YzBxZTNpZGQ3aWsgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 14 12:13:00 OWS everyone should be reading this. http://books.google.com/books?id=qSs5AAAAMAAJ&pg=PP10#v=onepage&q&f=false Oct 14 12:13:19 * separation (~separatio@e-52-91-479-592.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 12:13:50 * OccupyBoston195 (~OccupyBos@rebx-71-948-502-445.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 12:13:55 * OccupyBoston195 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 12:16:59 marxistvegan: I'm working, but I'm trying to poke my head in when I can. What's up? Oct 14 12:17:01 * IMHO (~IMHO@es7-iyra284.bu.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 12:17:33 * separation has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 12:18:02 * IMHO has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 12:18:51 I was gone for an hour. What did I miss? Oct 14 12:19:54 the spitting on a coast guard woman rumors. Oct 14 12:20:08 And the CNN spoof. Oct 14 12:20:21 oows.org Oct 14 12:20:28 * OccupyBoston873 (~OccupyBos@199.43.pv.nti) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 12:21:01 Move your protest to Washington! Thats who needs to hear your voice not the people working for a living unlike yourselves! Oct 14 12:21:08 * OccupyBoston297 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 12:21:20 There is an Occupy Washington Oct 14 12:21:28 * seekr_sleepr is now known as seekr Oct 14 12:21:33 and I am working right now Oct 14 12:21:38 So go occupy obamas house! Oct 14 12:21:45 Do people think they're being creative or something when they come in to hurl insults? Oct 14 12:21:48 leave the streets of boston alone Oct 14 12:21:49 Hi seekr Oct 14 12:21:54 What is it they think they're going to accomplish? Oct 14 12:22:18 We are leaving the streets of Boston alone, we are in a park, and march on the sidewalk Oct 14 12:22:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] The other side: What those in #Boston's Financial District think of #OccupyBoston http://t.co/bHIBntgy by @TWallack - http://twitter.com/ailworth/statuses/124882563146854401 Oct 14 12:22:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @OccupyWorcester: Amazing! RT @bmelican United American Indians of New England supports Occupy Boston j.mp/o2QHXl #OccupyBoston - http://twitter.com/littlefangirl/statuses/124882580041515009 Oct 14 12:22:58 your organization is a joke and going to accomplish nothing. Your demands are for equal salaries for all??? are you serious! Oct 14 12:23:06 OccupyBoston873: your call is important to us, and will be answered in the order it was received. Oct 14 12:23:34 OccupyBoston873: Your weak insults are a joke, and accomplish nothing. Making up demands for us? Are you serious!? Oct 14 12:23:40 Mikey -- LOL Oct 14 12:23:53 i demand chocolatier brownies Oct 14 12:24:25 873 -- arrives and announces "I am a troll" Oct 14 12:24:29 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] FSU: Children's Storytime w/ Clara - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=dXBibDc1YWE2aXFnYWVmZzU5aTZvM2dmcGcgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 14 12:24:30 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] FSU Children's Storytime w/ Clara - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=aXA0ZjVsOWttYm9lZ2NxOG9lZmllNTY5cjAgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 14 12:24:32 and yet america comes up short again and again. the last time i got my wa was when i got nacho cheesier doritos. Oct 14 12:24:55 Will be funny when all of you just realize you wasted a month of job searching living in the park. Oh wait, you cant pay your mortgage on the home you bought with no money down that was approased at 500K when your income was 50K so i guess the parks is where you belong after all. Oct 14 12:25:00 * Tracywork has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 14 12:25:06 i understand everyone's shit is all emotional right now Oct 14 12:25:54 873: is this cathartic for you? Oct 14 12:25:57 * OccupyBoston201 (~OccupyBos@gux-e-uhxojrt.artmuseums.harvard.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 12:25:59 you are so ill informed 873 it's pathetic Oct 14 12:26:07 Don't feed the trolls Oct 14 12:26:12 873 -- how do you like your country? Is it all you would want it to be for you? for your grandchildren? Oct 14 12:26:15 yum yum Oct 14 12:26:26 yes it is. it's better than any other country Oct 14 12:26:29 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Children's Radical Sing-a-long - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=dHNvNWRiNmg3c2dodjZtcmtyajlwbDdqY2MgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 14 12:26:38 i just hope he feels better so he can go back to his meaningful life. Oct 14 12:26:52 it's called a poor economy and elected officials. change needs to happen in washington not on Federal St in Boston Oct 14 12:26:53 873 have you ever even been to another country? Oct 14 12:26:54 i can feel his satisfaction from here. Oct 14 12:27:06 yes Oct 14 12:27:18 * OccupyBoston581 (~OccupyBos@694-137-84-69-ibccqycpdq.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 12:27:33 OccupyBoston873: Do tell then, if it's better than any other country, why does it rank so low in the list of happiest countries? Oct 14 12:27:43 then move! Oct 14 12:27:49 no that wasn't what he asked. Oct 14 12:28:05 U.S. has higher infant death rates than other countries; lower reading/math skills for 8th graders. Oct 14 12:28:06 * Tracywork (~yaaic@576-049-640-041.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 12:28:10 * Tracywork (~yaaic@576-049-640-041.pools.spcsdns.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 12:28:14 Pretty sure the US isint number one in pretty much any metric other then military Oct 14 12:28:22 * Tracywork (~yaaic@576-049-640-041.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 12:28:23 usa used to have best education system in world after ww2 Oct 14 12:28:25 education, health, happiness, etc Oct 14 12:28:30 laiv: But in that one, they're number one with a bullet! Oct 14 12:28:35 we rejected the 'love it or leave it' bs in the 60's. Oct 14 12:28:41 I am trying really hard to understand the point of Occupy Boston? Is it the economy, health care, racial equality, gender equality, poverty or something else? There seems to be no direction. I'm getting very frustrated by the cmparisons to Libya and Egypt, there was a clear point there. This seems very "me first" to be honest Oct 14 12:28:41 * OccupyBoston873 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 12:28:41 we're number one at liberating the dogshit out of foreign lands. we liberate them right into submission. Oct 14 12:28:50 ha bye Oct 14 12:29:06 * OccupyBoston581 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 12:29:25 What do you mean by "me first"? Oct 14 12:29:48 Freedom costs $1.25 now. inflation. Oct 14 12:30:04 Right wing toady for the corporate elite buys a new house. Wife says, "Don't you think we should fix the sidewalk and driveway? They're in bad disrepair." Right wing toady for the corporate elite says, "LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!" Oct 14 12:30:13 * OccupyBoston886 (~OccupyBos@w-83-05-637-681.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 12:30:44 I mean, everyone seems to be acting like a victim. I want a job, I want my loans paid, etc. In egypt and lybia, it was "we want a free and safe society". Oct 14 12:30:48 @ 201 watch this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWyrk10_S84&feature=channel_video_title Oct 14 12:31:22 I don't think thats the case, I have a job, and I don't have loans. but I and many like me are part of the movement Oct 14 12:31:32 Can't be at camp today :( Oct 14 12:31:54 * Citizen510 (~Citizen51@e-52-91-479-592.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 12:31:55 Laiv, what is the movement? Thats what I am wondering? Oct 14 12:32:01 201: actually, Egypt had as many causes and more, and less central direction. It was a neighborhood-by-neighborhood emergent effort spurred in large part by unemployment. Oct 14 12:32:03 It is a lot of things Oct 14 12:32:06 OccupyBoston201: That's just how it's being portrayed by the people who want it shut down. Oct 14 12:32:07 i have zero personal debt and have had a job since i started high school. Oct 14 12:32:07 watch that vid Oct 14 12:32:14 and support this completely. Oct 14 12:32:19 * Citizen510 is now known as separation Oct 14 12:32:20 201: the point of Occupy Boston IS the economy, health care, racial equality, gender equality, poverty, corporate control of Congress, etc. Oct 14 12:32:27 Things like corporate influence of politics Oct 14 12:32:32 Wealth inequality Oct 14 12:32:34 * OccupyBoston489 (~OccupyBos@199.43.pv.nti) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 12:32:45 but within those broad topics are lots of other issues Oct 14 12:32:47 bailouts Oct 14 12:32:52 corporate personhood Oct 14 12:32:55 debt as money Oct 14 12:32:58 you can't just sum it up Oct 14 12:33:02 there is a lotta shit Oct 14 12:33:07 * stephen has quit (Quit: stephen) Oct 14 12:33:13 882, that is too many things. Ideal yes, but no way to accomplish everythign at once. Especially with directionless protests. Oct 14 12:33:17 * OccupyBoston886 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 12:33:43 watch the vid Oct 14 12:33:44 Occupy Wall Street is an inclusive movement because it's about people, not causes. It's a hard thing for media to wrap its head around. Oct 14 12:33:48 Occupy is about opening up those discussions Oct 14 12:33:49 people in power have gone too far, the masses are no longer sated and are rising up. that's what is happening. Oct 14 12:33:57 OccupyBoston201: If you have a better idea on how to get more attention for these issues, and make them "serious" we're all ears here. Go ahead and tell us how it's done. Oct 14 12:34:03 How is Jamie Dimon a bad man? Oct 14 12:34:15 why go to his home yesterday for Occupy Wall Street Oct 14 12:35:13 I think these topics have been open for discussion for a very long time. Oct 14 12:35:20 I think the movement needs a focus Oct 14 12:35:22 I wasn't there, so I can't answer why the protest went to his home, but I can shed some light on why I think he's a valid target, 489 Oct 14 12:35:23 Do the bums in Boston join the protest? Oct 14 12:35:24 * not (~notanyone@sfri-xjlj-ljns-79-11-26-398.consolidated.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 12:35:26 * OccupyBoston378 (~OccupyBos@v0749jhr4ts0j.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 12:35:36 201: open, sure.. but it's going to take more than intellectuals postulating on this shit, sorry we had to wake you up bro but the house is on fire. Oct 14 12:35:39 @201 did you watch the vid yet? Oct 14 12:36:11 anybody at camp right now? Oct 14 12:36:13 Mikey G. Put the fire out the bro. You have a bucket of water next to you, use it. Oct 14 12:36:32 Freewill, I am. Oct 14 12:36:36 Why are all the corporate CEO's and executives targets? Some yes should be but hard working guys that put in 80+ hours/week and employ thousands with their companies should not be. Your prtotests are so narrow on who it's toweads Oct 14 12:36:41 they have been have been open for years -- and now we have dragged them out into the streets and are forcing people to confront them and seek some basic change that will adress them. Oct 14 12:36:43 JPM Chase epitomizes two related areas that OWS is concerned with. He was part of the NY Federal Reserve, and currently heads JPM Chase. Oct 14 12:36:51 thank you Oct 14 12:36:53 OccupyBoston201: if you say the bucket is the ballot box, i'm going to shoot coffee out of my nose. Oct 14 12:37:08 No, it is your personal decisions. Oct 14 12:37:25 JPM's taken billions in federal and Fed Reserve funding (Bear Sterns debacle being one episode you might want to look into) Oct 14 12:37:29 you are way more accountbale for your actions than you are giving yourself credit for Oct 14 12:37:39 At the same time, regular homeowners are left screwed to the wall Oct 14 12:38:05 did the homeowner put money down on their purcahse? did they buy within their means. home ownership is a privelage not a right Oct 14 12:38:08 * ravi (~ravi@w-88-837-370-01.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 12:38:11 OccupyBoston201: Do you actually have anything to contribute to the conversation, or do you just plan to hurl insults? Oct 14 12:38:26 Dimon's one of the hardest-workin guys in the business, I agree. But he dually represents problems we're trying to work on. Oct 14 12:38:32 * OccupyBoston775 (~OccupyBos@b-67-86-213-42.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 12:39:02 is he just playing by the rules instilled by Obama? So shouldnt we target Obama? Oct 14 12:39:12 489: if you want to talk about subprimes, I can roll out a list of fraudulent activities that suckered largely low-income people into impossible situations Oct 14 12:39:13 when the banks took risks and those risks went bad, they got hundreds of billions in bailouts. when somebody in my neighborhood gets canned, their family gets no such help. and if the plutocrats have their way, what's left of the safety net (unemployment insurance, etc.) will vanish as well. Oct 14 12:39:13 * OccupyBoston535 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 12:39:26 obama is just a scapegoat for congress Oct 14 12:39:27 No insults, truly. I am saying "we" can fix much of this on our own. Or at least should have no gotten into much of this mess. This same government we are complaining about, is the one we all followed blindy to get in this trouble. I have no faith in the goverment, I only have faith in people. Oct 14 12:39:27 Hi folks; I have a set of sound files I gathered talking to people last night; I'd like to share them with the media team. Any idea how to contact them and give them the files? Oct 14 12:39:29 if they didnt bail out the banks and your savings vanished what then... Oct 14 12:39:33 Actually, he's playing mostly by rules that Clinton either instituted or took away. Oct 14 12:39:38 OccupyBoston489: Just which "rules" do you consider to be Obama's? Oct 14 12:39:48 Savings wouldn't have vanished, they're insured by the FDIC =D Oct 14 12:39:58 OccupyBoston201: part of the goal of / reason for the movement seems to be to raise awareness and promote discussion about the fundamental problems plaguing our society, the ones that WE need to work to fix, as you say Oct 14 12:39:59 let's put this in perspective. we are organisms living on a rock hurling through space. there are finite resources on this rock, and a small percentage of our fellow organisms have squirreled away a disproportionate amount of resources. Oct 14 12:40:05 up to $250,000 per person per institution, at this point. Oct 14 12:40:20 775: are you able to go up to the tent and ask Oct 14 12:40:20 and not to mention it has been paid back. For all you unemployed on this forum if BOFA offered you a job with benefits would you take it? And how about that 401K you have? you know finance people run that for you and you still invest with hthem you hipocrate Oct 14 12:40:22 huxley: phil gramm. can we get an episode of "where are they now?" about phil gramm? Oct 14 12:40:49 phil gramm is alive and well and as obstructionist and deregulationist as ever, despite the loss of Greenspan in his corner Oct 14 12:40:49 * OccupyBoston378 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 12:41:09 only insured to a certain level. and who would you get a loan from? people DO still get loans. Oct 14 12:41:14 huxley: i read somewhere that he rode UBS down during the crisis he helped create Oct 14 12:41:20 * OccupyBoston775 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 12:41:21 489: not only am I employed full time, I'm employed full time in public safety. I think you're making a few unwarranted assumptions here. Oct 14 12:41:40 Aldiyen, understood. I think this is the wrong way to go about it. I think first the movement should look at itself. Meaning, poeple should own up to their mistakes and their own greed (owning beyond their means), then once that ship is sorted, turn attention towards the idiots its voted into office. Oct 14 12:41:50 I agree with Huxley. You're spending more time insulting the imaginary version of the movement than you are contributing anything to the debate. Oct 14 12:41:56 * naty (~naty@134.241.l.pk) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 12:42:16 heyyyyyyyyy yall hows it going Oct 14 12:42:23 is there anything the camp needs help with Oct 14 12:42:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Pause to reflect on how many use there(ir) freedom of speech here on twitter #ows #occupyboston #clevelandrocks #lawton #wamego #jag #baabaa - http://twitter.com/noyb100/statuses/124887541714386944 Oct 14 12:42:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Coondawg68: #occupyBoston goon @RightyHunter attempts online intimidation, fails. #tcot #teaparty - http://twitter.com/buddhacop/statuses/124887560978825217 Oct 14 12:42:27 * OccupyBoston489 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 12:42:30 And so far the movement has spent much of its time looking inwards, but in a public space Oct 14 12:42:35 201: quite a few subprime mortgages were the subject of fraud, so placing the blame solely on the borrowers ends up disingenuous Oct 14 12:42:39 i like how the occupiers, in their tents are the greedy ones. not the bailed-out bankers. orwellian. Oct 14 12:42:44 OccupyBoston201: okay that sounds reasonable in a general sense. what specifically would "owning up to our mistakes and greed" entail, in your mind? Oct 14 12:42:54 they arent looking inwards...i have been down their, not one sign or chant looking inwards, thats just not true Oct 14 12:43:12 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to farmerbob jproulx kizmut moonunitzappa Oct 14 12:43:12 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to ravi ross Oct 14 12:43:15 During GAs and group meetings and so on it sure is Oct 14 12:43:23 the signs have nothing to do with that Oct 14 12:43:37 Inner-cities were blanketed with mortgage brokers who uttered false papers, tricked applicants, included terms unagreed to, etc etc. It was pretty horrifying to read about. Oct 14 12:43:44 Aldyen, cutting your losses. You bought a house you cant afford, sell it for a loss. its a horrible thing to do, but you have to own your own mistakes. then NEVER buy beyond your means again Oct 14 12:43:59 never borrow money again. Oct 14 12:44:04 General Assembly several times this week has been looking entirely at the movement itself, 2201 Oct 14 12:44:05 never pay insurance again. Oct 14 12:44:23 What if its within your means, and then you lose your job due to a shitty economy caused by forces outside of your control Oct 14 12:44:31 MikeyG: Funny because just a minute ago he was touting lending as a big feature of these banks. "Who would gie you a loan!?" Oct 14 12:44:37 * separation has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 12:44:46 yeah that's kind of crazy hazard haha Oct 14 12:44:49 considering that the average house costs over three times (relative to wages) what it did in 1970, most families who hope to own a home would never have the cash to buy one without a serious loan. Oct 14 12:44:59 sell your house....if the ecnomy wasnt in syuch bad shape by SO MANY people buying beyond their measn, you could resell at a fair price Oct 14 12:45:07 He's a fucking toady. Just trying to stir the pot. Nothing substantial to contribute. Oct 14 12:45:09 but overall greed by people AND banks put us here Oct 14 12:45:16 hazard: serious. Oct 14 12:45:32 OccupyBoston201: I mean let me say that I don't own a home, but that aside, it's easy to say people shouldn't live beyond their means, but when people's means are artificially restricted by social constraints rather than legitimate resource contention, is it unreasonable to fight back against the hoarders? Oct 14 12:45:34 201: we're human beings, we all fucked up. that doesn't mean we should settle for the fucked up rules that allowed us to get here. Oct 14 12:45:36 OccupyBoston201: Due to this recession, my house is worth less than 1/3 of what it was valued at when it was purchased. You going to blame that on me too? Oct 14 12:45:39 How is everyone? Oct 14 12:45:49 good afternoon Tracywork Oct 14 12:46:20 hazard: that's a bitch. if nothing else, i'm glad i'm not a homeowner right now. Oct 14 12:46:34 OccupyBoston201: An I mean that it is now worth about 1/3 of it's value when purchased *over 30 years ago* Oct 14 12:46:35 Good afternoon Oct 14 12:46:50 huxley: Luckily, it's paid off and I don't have to worry to much about losing it. Oct 14 12:46:51 buying a home was the worst financial mistake i've ever made. paying insurance has been the second worse mistake. Oct 14 12:47:06 worst* i donno why i have problems with that. Oct 14 12:47:07 But whos fault is that? I think it is the banks AND the people. Oct 14 12:47:16 hazard: glad to hear. Oct 14 12:47:23 MikeyG: Insurance is a major bone of contention with me. IT's the only industry that the government forces us to pay money to. Oct 14 12:47:25 oh wait.. contributing to my retirement has been the THIRD worst mistake i've made Oct 14 12:47:29 @201 did you watch the whole vid? Oct 14 12:47:35 student loans were mine. was making 14.50 before college, 12 after. Oct 14 12:47:41 201: I don't think anyone's said that people are blameless here. Why argue against this straw man? Oct 14 12:47:47 MikeyG: Or, rather, the only private one. Oct 14 12:48:18 to insurance, my home depreciation, and my retirement losing value in the volitility of the markets due to algorithmic trading or whatever, I've probably lost close to 150k. Oct 14 12:48:20 OccupyBoston201: Do you deny that the banks used predatory lending practices? Oct 14 12:48:23 201 - u gotta watch something other than Fox News. Oct 14 12:48:38 hazard: yes, we should never be compelled to buy anything by our government. that's anticapitalistic. Oct 14 12:48:39 OccupyBoston201: DO you always blame the victim of con games? Or is the con to blame? Oct 14 12:48:42 Freewill I did. I understand. My problem is that actually down at OB, the message is nowhere near as direct. It like a person with multiple personaities. Some make sense, others are just plain crazy. There needs to be a direction Oct 14 12:48:51 I blame both Oct 14 12:48:56 hazard: i sort of understand the need for liability insurance. and that reasoning could explain compulsory health insurance. but i still don't think private health insurance is the answer for healthcare. what a racket! Oct 14 12:49:19 we are trying dude 201, give peace a chance. Oct 14 12:49:20 i take public transit because i won't pay insurance for no reason. Oct 14 12:49:27 Yes, I know they used those tactics and were represented by Deval Patrick while doing so. Why is he sakting clean here? Oct 14 12:49:39 god bless public transit. Oct 14 12:49:43 We've got the time here to sit at a keyboard and formulate thoughts. A little harder surrounded by cops, cameras and the like Oct 14 12:49:46 farmerbob: I probably wouldn't be as pissed about it, if litigation had more limits on it. I wouldn't need a trillion dollars ion insurance if people couldn't sue for absurd amounts. Oct 14 12:49:52 * Tracywork has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 14 12:51:09 * OccupyBoston882 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 12:51:15 insurance makes no sense.. instead how about forcing people to save? Oct 14 12:51:24 * Bob5432345 (~Bob543234@d-58-42-039-438.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 12:51:30 and release that money in certain circumstances or when certain milestones have been reached? Oct 14 12:51:36 * naty has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 12:51:39 imagine having all of the money you've paid to insurance less claims. Oct 14 12:51:42 i'd have ALL of it Oct 14 12:52:03 DItto. I never actually needed the insurance I've purchased. Not once. Oct 14 12:52:34 And, in fact, the one time my girlfriend wrecked my car, it was easier to just go get it fixed than to try to get anything out of the insurance company. Oct 14 12:52:45 forced savings, people use their own money to pay liabilities. lawyers know they can't sue big cos it's not a supercompany they're suing, it's you.. and they can't take more than you have Oct 14 12:52:49 keep it on the individual Oct 14 12:52:56 * OccupyBoston033 (~OccupyBos@w-83-05-637-681.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 12:53:05 yess.. me too! the one time i did need my insurance my deductable covered 90% of it Oct 14 12:53:14 MikeyG: Unfortunately, they *can* sure for more than you have. Oct 14 12:53:26 but insurance is so built into prices, it's hard to imagine changing the situation. Oct 14 12:53:34 yes, but i mean it'd be better if they couldn't. Oct 14 12:53:42 hospital delivery for a new kid, for example. Oct 14 12:53:42 Absolutely. Oct 14 12:53:45 ridiculous costs. Oct 14 12:53:48 and suing me for more than i have is very different than knowing you're suing a company, and knowing they DO have it Oct 14 12:54:00 that's how rackets are formed Oct 14 12:54:14 farmerbob: Yeah, for the same reason Iw as mentioning. Doctors have to carry obscene insurance, because people are allowed to sue them for astronimical amounts. Oct 14 12:54:42 * Bob5432345 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 12:54:48 Not that I think doctors aren't alos overpaid, but that's another sotry. Oct 14 12:54:57 hazard: i don't know that's the driver. in states where they've capped damages for malpractice, there's been no slowing of cost increases, much less reductions. Oct 14 12:55:32 * OccupyBoston461 (~OccupyBos@ftgt.verrents.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 12:55:35 farmerbob: I suspect that's due to it being endemic at this point. We're numb to being raped at this point. Oct 14 12:55:41 * MettaKreton has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 14 12:55:59 pay your own school BILLS! Oct 14 12:56:01 yes we've crossed that threshold. it's almost a cash grab now Oct 14 12:56:12 461: go on Oct 14 12:56:17 * OccupyBoston461 (~OccupyBos@ftgt.verrents.com) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 12:56:18 farmerbob: It's perfectly normal to expect doctors to drive luxury cars, and spend their days golfing. Oct 14 12:56:21 * OccupyBoston243 (~OccupyBos@ynyr-97-134-78-673.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 12:56:23 hazard: in texas, it was because the insurance companies (malpractice insurers) lost big money gambling during the days of enron. they recouped their losses by raising premiums on providers. Oct 14 12:56:27 * OccupyBoston201 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 12:56:28 They aren't our community healers anymore. Oct 14 12:56:32 * OccupyBoston243 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 12:57:03 yea, you gotta think companies like AIG that almost died due to idiocy are now raking it in through other, more accepted means Oct 14 12:57:17 i mean there's no more compelling argument than "you don't want to be left to die, do you?! pay up!" Oct 14 12:57:21 bye 201 - hmm from harvard edu Oct 14 12:58:39 MikeyG: that seems a bit shady, given that lifesaving care is mandated here. Oct 14 12:58:58 huxley: but you can't exactly negotiate pricing. Oct 14 12:59:34 doctors, the best among them, aren't taught to consider the costs associated with treatment. let the claims lady in the office sort it out. Oct 14 12:59:44 farmerbob: granted. I'm not sure I'm in a position to. Lowballing medical care gets you...lowballed medical care ;) Oct 14 13:00:04 huxley: in cases of imminent danger, yes. How about when somebody is just "sick" and the tests that might have saved their life aren't being done because they are expensive? There's tons of examples of that type of problem. Oct 14 13:00:05 It's a bit like astronauts rocketing to the moon on a pile of low-bids. Oct 14 13:00:15 huxley: a valid point. but it's hard to prevent something resembling extortion. Oct 14 13:00:49 And, so far, the "Lowballing medical care gets you...lowballed medical care Oct 14 13:00:55 " has been shown to be false anyway. Oct 14 13:01:15 * danglingman (~danglingm@z-60-99-366-225.hsd8.il.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:01:16 The ridiculous lines that people claim will happen under socialized medicine haven't appeared in countries that have it. Oct 14 13:01:20 ah, but those low-bids aren't without requirements. there's oversight. Oct 14 13:01:22 i'll administer my own shots, and fill my own scripts if the docs would just let me Oct 14 13:01:32 Same with the "diminished quality" argument. Oct 14 13:01:39 i don't think cheaper care is always worse care. Oct 14 13:01:45 hazard: lowballed medical care brings with it huge problems, especially with staffing ratios Oct 14 13:02:01 huxley: highballed care brings its own. Oct 14 13:02:05 huxley: Then why hasn't that shown itself in countries with socialized medicine? Oct 14 13:02:07 (i have two brothers that are ER nurses, so staffing ratios is one of the things I hear about all the time) Oct 14 13:02:10 you should never drink highballs before giving care. Oct 14 13:02:11 bob: good point. Oct 14 13:02:17 Our public health measures suck, esp when you factor in how much we spend Oct 14 13:02:22 but if you have enough highballs you just plain won't care. Oct 14 13:02:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Sparkky_: @ANONccupy_SEA #OccupySeattle is in the process of being evicted,over10 people arrested.Stay strong& peaceful! #OccupyBoston supports you! - http://twitter.com/JrogJ/statuses/124892673407594496 Oct 14 13:02:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @OccupyPics: Photo: SEIU Local 509 with #OccupyBoston and MassUniting: SEIU Local 509 posted a photo: http://t.co/9xwcAQ7Z #occupyBoston #ows - http://twitter.com/BiffSpliff/statuses/124892681498411008 Oct 14 13:02:44 * OccupyBoston869 (~OccupyBos@otff-36-822-6-272.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:02:50 HI ALL Oct 14 13:02:54 hazard: it has, as far as I've seen. Especially in the most analogous that I can think of, the NHS, with incredible wait times for specialists and more common procedures. They get the care, but it takes time. Oct 14 13:02:59 huxley: Yes, but I don't think that you can use that as an example, because it's not a socialized medical facility. Oct 14 13:03:09 * OccupyBoston869 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 13:03:13 huxley: NHS? Oct 14 13:03:23 National Health Service, in the UK, hazard. Oct 14 13:03:26 * OccupyBoston605 (~OccupyBos@otff-36-822-6-272.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:03:31 Copy. Oct 14 13:03:32 * OccupyBoston605 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 13:03:35 I'm not arguing against socialized medicine, mind you Oct 14 13:03:36 IDEA: you should troll the authorities stalking your actions and make a bogus date like oct.21st with a message: after three weeks of occupation we feel that our message has been received and wish to return Boston back to everyone. Oct 14 13:03:40 AND THEN NOT LEAVE Oct 14 13:03:41 * OccupyBoston216 (~OccupyBos@otff-36-822-6-272.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:03:42 It's another question of whether my 75 year old father in law needs a knee replacement in 6 days or 6 months, Oct 14 13:03:53 * Tracywork (~yaaic@576-049-640-041.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:03:53 so whats the plan for tomorrow Oct 14 13:04:06 * OccupyBoston216 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 13:04:07 greeny: Right, because making yourself a liar always gains public support. WTF? Oct 14 13:04:18 as far as I'm concerned he can wait if it means a more equitable distribution of health care Oct 14 13:04:38 danglingman: my understanding is that the UK system actually does orthopaedics very well. but i'm certainly no expert. Oct 14 13:05:10 I don't know much about the UK system at all, but Canada seems to be doing rather well with theirs. Oct 14 13:05:15 that's not the point. great if it does it well, but residencies are publicly funded Oct 14 13:05:41 your orthopedist is practicing on education funded by all of us Oct 14 13:06:07 * naty (~naty@134.241.l.pk) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:06:07 * naty has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 13:06:09 If my father in law has to wait because we move more resources to primary care, that's fair Oct 14 13:06:23 Of course, he might have to miss a season of tennis Oct 14 13:06:28 poor guy Oct 14 13:06:35 * naty (~naty@134.241.l.pk) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:06:45 "IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE GOVERMENT OF LYBIA TO RESPECT THE UNIVERSAL RIGHTS OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE INCLUDING THE RIGHT TO FREE EXPRESSION AND ASSEMBLY." THIS WAS SAID BY HILARY CLINTTON AND SECOND BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE US SO WHY ARE THEY GETTING IN THE BUSINESS OF LYBIA AND NOT IN THEIR OWN CONTRY THEY HAVENT SAID THAT FOR THE MOVEMENT OF OCCUPYING WALLSTREET OR BOSTON Oct 14 13:07:04 because they are f'ing cowards and hypocrites Oct 14 13:07:08 danglingman: Imagine how many doctors could be educated on the money spent for healthcare insurance. Oct 14 13:07:12 danglingman: tennis is wicked hard with bone-on-bone action the old kneejoint Oct 14 13:07:20 I know Oct 14 13:07:42 But if he misses a season so that more people get primary care, I don't feel too bad for him Oct 14 13:07:50 agreed. Oct 14 13:07:57 farmerbob: That just provoked a lewd mental image of skeletons. Oct 14 13:08:01 actually i feel bad for me, because I have to listen to his entitled bitching Oct 14 13:08:05 lol Oct 14 13:08:23 i'm 30 and i wouldn't play tennis too hard on everything Oct 14 13:08:31 but of course, my father in law had th wisdom to pick good parents Oct 14 13:08:41 Kirmz: 37, and it hurts to *watch* tennis. :-P Oct 14 13:08:52 hazard: well, all hallows is right around the corner. Oct 14 13:08:55 except women's tennis :) Oct 14 13:08:55 danglingman: man, your relationship with your father in law worries me :P Oct 14 13:09:06 he is a jerk Oct 14 13:09:10 it worries me too Oct 14 13:09:12 i'm getting that impression Oct 14 13:09:18 esp cause my wife worships him Oct 14 13:09:29 Idolater! Oct 14 13:09:32 :-P Oct 14 13:09:36 ha Oct 14 13:09:38 unfortunately, jerks need to be covered too. It's like free speech, only with ibuprofen. Oct 14 13:09:43 ha Oct 14 13:09:54 * OccupyBoston695 (~OccupyBos@89-306-492-870-yftglugdga.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:10:12 later folks. see you downtown when I'm back from chi town Oct 14 13:10:17 Did I miscount? Shouldn't today be 28 days from the 16th of last month? Oct 14 13:10:20 * danglingman has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 13:10:52 i never was no good at that thar countin Oct 14 13:11:03 * OccupyBoston695 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 13:11:42 Yeah. I'm short 8 digits to be able to count that high. Oct 14 13:11:48 I've ony get 10 each of fingers and toes. Oct 14 13:11:51 OWS is doing a Family Sleepover tonight?! Oct 14 13:11:52 genius! Oct 14 13:12:00 * CYA (~CYA@o-80-822-945-823.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:12:34 http://occupywallst.org/article/parents-bring-children-ows-tonight/ Oct 14 13:13:02 http://www.parentsforoccupywallst.com/ Oct 14 13:13:35 Hmm... perhaps it's counting hours. That would mean 28 days at 16:30. Oct 14 13:13:52 And, somehow a cricket seems to have gotten inside one of my interior walls. Oct 14 13:13:52 good to know. i feel about kids like danglingman feels about his father in law. Oct 14 13:13:55 * huxley coughs Oct 14 13:14:17 * BigWhopper99 (~BigWhoppe@lsdb-48-104-05-234.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:14:31 I'm a big fan of kids, but only in short bursts. I need to be able to flee. Oct 14 13:14:38 Welcome back, BigWhopper99 Oct 14 13:14:50 * greeny has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 13:15:14 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHhSSGl1dnVsVFVaOTlUa3RFck04RHc6MQ Oct 14 13:15:33 Survet aboyt issues to be brougjt up at GA Oct 14 13:17:24 omg all those things are brought up every night? Oct 14 13:18:21 Grammie: no, it is a survey to see what we want tjis to be about Oct 14 13:18:40 ohhhhh Oct 14 13:19:13 * OccupyBoston513 (~OccupyBos@199.43.wg.wp) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:19:14 This is an individual who wants to bring this up at GA Oct 14 13:19:29 Tracywork: was this brought up at this morning's assembly? Oct 14 13:20:05 * Kizniche (~kn@c-92-687-68-08.hsd8.ga.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:20:10 Gen: no, it was on Twitter. Oct 14 13:20:16 * naty has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 13:20:36 The Dark Carnival Oct 14 13:20:41 GA Oct 14 13:20:45 do our less fortunate occupiers have a means to access these internet resources in the camp? Oct 14 13:20:53 What are your demands? Oct 14 13:20:56 The author wants people that can't always show up to have an opinion . Oct 14 13:21:03 educate me Oct 14 13:21:22 Gen, I was wondering that myself. Oct 14 13:21:55 here comes the rain. Oct 14 13:21:56 Maybe the auther passed something,around to be filled out. Oct 14 13:21:57 If tomorrow you could get what you wanted and end your protest what would that be? Oct 14 13:22:02 Tracywork: especially after two nights ago where all these larger mission and purpose proposals needing to be on wikispaces and active development happening there I am a bit concerned with alienating the less fortunate and less technologically capable Oct 14 13:22:26 OccupyBoston513: we all have different answers for that Oct 14 13:22:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Occupy_Boston: RT @ACLU_Mass: Hey @OccupyBOS_Media @occupy_Boston the ACLUm has your back! http://t.co/f32BOkUn #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/Occupyphoenixaz/statuses/124897520970244097 Oct 14 13:22:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @LtRav3nw00d: #OccupyBoston Your colleges & universities are raping U and R your true #enemy. They pay #NOTAXES and make 20% on their endowments ! #tcot - http://twitter.com/InGodIDoTrust/statuses/124897637471236097 Oct 14 13:22:54 Especially the homeless. They should have a voice. Oct 14 13:23:04 * bergey (~dmb@209.6.h.ptk) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:23:17 a lot of the homeless are mentally ill Oct 14 13:23:28 Do you want equal taxes for all? Do you want the bank CEO's to quit? Do you want your mortgage paid for you? What do you want???????? Oct 14 13:23:42 This might sound stupid, but maybe we should have,technology classes amd also let campers use computers. Oct 14 13:24:20 cloudy with a chance of faygo showers? Oct 14 13:24:20 I actually might be able to get some older laptops from work that we give away but that would increase power demands and stuff Oct 14 13:24:33 * OccupyBoston804 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 13:24:55 Just dont occupy the North End. it's hard enough to walk around there with all the tourists!!! Oct 14 13:24:58 A lot of campers do not have access. Oct 14 13:25:25 Laptops need not increase power demands, if they're run on batteries and charged off-site. Oct 14 13:25:35 We've had quite a few bike generators coming into camp. and ==dsws Oct 14 13:25:42 Starbucks up the street. Oct 14 13:25:53 * Kizniche has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 13:26:16 dsws: but that's more responsibility for someone else Oct 14 13:26:37 I can see about donating a couple if there is a place for them, so campers can access the online resources Oct 14 13:26:39 Ever watch the movie PCU??? "WERE NOT GONNA PROTEST! WERE NOT GONNA PROTEST! WERE NOT GONNA PROTEST! WERE NOT GONNA PROTEST!" Oct 14 13:26:55 * rydyc (~gene@m-61-872-791-771.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:27:24 513: Gutter's not a tool, though. Oct 14 13:27:24 * OccupyBoston424 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 13:27:35 I would bring it up at GA, but I am shy Oct 14 13:27:57 HEY check this out, and invite all your friends. a facebook event page for the march: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=263779310326791 Oct 14 13:27:58 I'm missing the next two ga's :( Oct 14 13:28:03 invite everyone Oct 14 13:28:06 lets make this march MASSIVE Oct 14 13:28:39 [Occupy Boston] Occupy Wall Street Victory - http://occupyboston.com/2011/10/14/occupy-wall-street-victory/ Oct 14 13:28:42 the homeless do not have these resources. Oct 14 13:28:42 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @ACLU_Mass: Hey @OccupyBOS_Media @occupy_Boston the ACLUm has your back! www.ACLUM.org/occupy #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124897084267692032 Oct 14 13:28:53 YOUR MARCHING FOR A LOST CAUSE! THE ONLY CHANGE THAT WILL HELP YOU IS TO REMOVE OBAMA Oct 14 13:29:05 Will not ne there until tomorrow. Oct 14 13:29:18 Would anyone be interested in helping spread around a link to possible help fund a NATION WIDE documentary by a poor filmmaker??? aka me.... Oct 14 13:29:28 About OCCUPY Oct 14 13:29:33 Not just any documentary...lol. Oct 14 13:29:34 please don't caps-lock Oct 14 13:29:38 sorry friend Oct 14 13:29:41 Big stole my idea lol Oct 14 13:29:49 Tracywork: I'll be at camp from 4-8 and I'll bring it up with some people Oct 14 13:29:49 We can work together Oct 14 13:30:01 we want to take people on the road with us Oct 14 13:30:14 YOU PROTEST I CAPS LOCK...FREE COUNTRY Oct 14 13:30:33 Ok thanks. Will you be at the march Sat? Oct 14 13:30:45 * OccupyBoston380 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 13:30:46 i find your arguments more compelling owing to the largeness of the letters you type. Oct 14 13:30:48 what time is it? I've been busy at work Oct 14 13:30:48 I can't make it. I have family obligations.... Oct 14 13:30:52 OccupyBoston513: There's no reason to annoy the hell out of everyone. Please chat on the same level as everyone else here and lose the caps Oct 14 13:30:59 I work. Free only weekends Oct 14 13:31:01 * OccupyBoston542 (~OccupyBos@63.170.sz.jkh) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:31:25 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to dsws Oct 14 13:31:27 why do you need money to make a documentary? just go and do it Oct 14 13:31:27 * OccupyBoston513 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 13:31:27 * OccupyBoston542 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 13:31:31 1:00 Oct 14 13:31:37 I hear yah, im a lowly cook, saturdays are a full work day for the man. Oct 14 13:31:40 Tracywork: definitely Oct 14 13:32:10 * imajoker (~imajoker@hxjz.aemechanicalinc.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:32:10 Big, no profession is low. Oct 14 13:32:13 May I share the link if anyone wants to share it and maybe try to bolster support to make the documentary and show the awesome that is OCCUPY??? Oct 14 13:32:20 Lefty, you are quiet today. Oct 14 13:32:24 thanks tracy, but im tired of it, I want to make films Oct 14 13:32:37 you really shouldn't be trying to fund a movie in this chat Oct 14 13:32:41 * OccupyBoston659 (~OccupyBos@18-146-601-86.desm.qwest.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:32:41 documentarys features anything I can film. Thats why I want to do this. OCCUPY is my entire world right now Oct 14 13:32:55 zomg Oct 14 13:32:55 * KeKe_brb (KeKe_brb@47g0279u.bb.sky.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:32:59 Occupy Des Moines needs your help. Governor Branstad and Iowa Attorney General Tom Miller have denied our permit extension request. It's bipartisan. Call Branstad's office at (515)281-5211 and tell him to stand with the people, not big corporations, and approve our permit request. Then call Iowa AG Tom Miller at and tell him the same thing. 515-281-5164 Oct 14 13:33:08 Tracywork: busy at work Oct 14 13:33:15 Grammie, thats why IM ASKING and its FOR US I am not asking OCCUPY to fund it, im asking people to talk about it somewhere, Share on their twitters and FB's and stuff. Oct 14 13:33:40 you don't need money to make a doc Oct 14 13:33:51 I do to drive to every single occupy site in the country thoguh Oct 14 13:33:56 You drive without gas Oct 14 13:34:04 you donate to the sites without cash Oct 14 13:34:07 why are people camping in on the greenway again? Oct 14 13:34:17 MARCH MARCH Saturday at 1 PM from Park St http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=263779310326791 spread this event and invite everyone to it. Oct 14 13:34:23 * OccupyBoston903 (~OccupyBos@69-56-29-96-cbxmwfqwmi.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:34:26 good afternoon #occupyboston Oct 14 13:34:42 whatevs whopper thats a waste of funds Oct 14 13:34:48 imajoker people have never left greenway Oct 14 13:35:00 * gene (~gene@m-61-872-791-771.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:35:02 clean out was only an expanded portion of greenway Oct 14 13:35:14 I have to go to Conord, NH tonigjt. I will try to find occupy and talk to them and take some ph.otos Oct 14 13:35:16 Donating to OCCUPY sites is a waste of funds? Oct 14 13:35:28 they need to refocus efforts and start electing officials who will listen. Occupying a location isn't going to do anything. Eventually, the law will be enforced and it won't be pretty. Oct 14 13:35:30 * OccupyBoston659 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 13:35:31 donating to your road trip is Oct 14 13:35:36 NH is home :D Oct 14 13:35:38 Then dont. Oct 14 13:35:50 then stop trolling the room asking everyday Oct 14 13:35:52 Let everyone else make their own choices Oct 14 13:36:03 JS it's getting annoying Oct 14 13:36:03 Gen, I will be at the Capitol Center. Oct 14 13:36:36 so Oct 14 13:36:48 the general purpose of this channel is discussion of occupy boston. Oct 14 13:37:00 it is neither effective nor intended for promoting other things; Twitter is much better at that. Oct 14 13:37:20 ah cool Oct 14 13:37:36 If people came to your home and sat on your lawn, would that be acceptable? Oct 14 13:37:40 I understand what this room is for and I have participated, over two days time I asked people if it is something they would want to spread around and maybe help happen...but people like grammie dont have to be DICKS about it Oct 14 13:38:10 I have participated in discussions proposing solutions to camp issues, and national issues....so its not like I come here everyday to promote a product. Oct 14 13:38:23 * rydyc has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 13:38:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Medical need these items now Powdered Pedialyte, Cough Drops, Medical Packs, Water Bottles, and Saline. It would be a HUGE help! - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124900346890948608 Oct 14 13:38:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: The DA is up and running they also have a twitter up now. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124900600658919424 Oct 14 13:39:26 what's the DA? Oct 14 13:39:54 I was about to ask lol Oct 14 13:40:13 I am lost now. Oct 14 13:40:32 i took one for the team. Oct 14 13:40:41 Just walk into any hospital! Remember HealthCare is free!!!!!!! Oct 14 13:40:51 direct action? Oct 14 13:41:03 Oh. Ok. Oct 14 13:41:17 I'm not sure in this context Oct 14 13:41:23 they've been up and running for a while Oct 14 13:41:36 i'm knitting a giant occupy boston scarf if anyone wants to donate some yarn or cash for yarn that would help me out Oct 14 13:41:38 * OccupyBoston903 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 13:41:49 * bergey has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 14 13:42:04 Grammie: Seriously? Right after you bitch about somebody else doing it? Oct 14 13:42:17 She's/He's still making fun of me hazard. Oct 14 13:42:22 Its clear as a bell Oct 14 13:42:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #OWS #OccupyBoston protesters spit on female National Guart Member http://t.co/CzGohenE #occupywallstreet #stayclassy - http://twitter.com/RyanTronovitch/statuses/124902745919594496 Oct 14 13:42:28 She thinks im a moron Oct 14 13:42:44 * jeivers (~jeivers@ycu9.ldsam.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:42:59 BigWhopper99: Yeah, I realize that. I was just hoping to nicely make him or her realize what a dick they were being. Oct 14 13:42:59 lolz Oct 14 13:43:10 he or she already knows Oct 14 13:43:10 no wonder democracy doesn't work. Everyone loses respect and patience for each other so quickly Oct 14 13:43:15 what's going on tomorrow in Boston Oct 14 13:43:21 * mungojelly (~mungojell@g-64-790-6-883.hsd3.vt.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:43:27 I respect grammie for being such a a-hole Oct 14 13:43:29 the police are coming in to arrest everyone, if they don't leave Oct 14 13:43:36 ;0 Oct 14 13:43:39 where joker>? Oct 14 13:43:40 GenKreton: Yeah. I have this awful habit of judging people by their actions. ;-) Oct 14 13:43:42 anti-war march. tenth anniversary of the invasion of afghanistan. Oct 14 13:43:43 Boston Oct 14 13:43:47 When? Oct 14 13:43:58 That's FUD, Oct 14 13:44:05 Wait and see. Oct 14 13:44:06 me and some frinds are coming down saturday Oct 14 13:44:10 MARCH MARCH Saturday at 1 PM from Park St http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=263779310326791 spread this event and invite everyone to it. Oct 14 13:44:14 BigWhopper99: imajoker is a...joker. Oct 14 13:44:16 http://occupyboston.com/calendar/ Oct 14 13:44:20 I see. Oct 14 13:44:25 No, a realist This won't end well Oct 14 13:44:27 Ok cool so be down at dewey by noon Oct 14 13:44:33 imajoker: thanks for the pro-tips. Oct 14 13:44:34 oh yeah, what's the latest with the cops? Oct 14 13:44:46 imajoker....if it doesn't end well, it will only grow in size and continue to do better. Oct 14 13:44:52 jeivers: the march starts at 1 at park st. Oct 14 13:44:53 isn't today when the not-really-a-permit expires? Oct 14 13:44:54 its a baby....it needs time to GROW Oct 14 13:45:00 * CommonCauseMass (~CommonCau@qwspmr-79-640-47-204.ma.onecommunications.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:45:04 * WFG (~WFG@zj03-29-860-852.hr.hr.cox.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:45:06 I think I'm going to bow out of the trollfest, and go get some work done. Catch you all later. Oct 14 13:45:09 won't end well of course not - but the 1% started a Class War the 99% is just going to finish it! Oct 14 13:45:18 BigWhopper99: lets not resort to name calling and disrespect Oct 14 13:45:21 ttuttle|offsite: yes but the mayor was softening his language yesterday Oct 14 13:45:24 oh? Oct 14 13:45:25 hazard: same here. cheers. Oct 14 13:45:38 Wrong. The City will have to eventually enforce the law. When 7,500 police show up on the site tonight @ 3:00am and pull everyone out, you can say i told you so. Oct 14 13:45:43 Hi occupiers! I'm very proud of your work, I am coming down there later today, who should I talk to? Oct 14 13:45:50 imajoker: thanks for the warning and your support Oct 14 13:46:04 how does one go about finding tent space? Oct 14 13:46:06 Ill try.. lefty...... Oct 14 13:46:14 CommonCauseMass: just jump in there is no specific person to talk to, talk to everyone you'd like to Oct 14 13:46:23 www.commoncause.org/ma is my orgs website, we want to help, I was hoping to set up a 1:1 with some people, anyone interested in talking to me for 30min later today? Oct 14 13:46:28 The City can shut it all down and it will just start up again Oct 14 13:46:44 CommonCauseMass: go down to dewey and find the media tent. Oct 14 13:47:06 CommonCauseMass: visit the camp and the info or media tent. Tell them you'd like to help. Oct 14 13:47:43 They can, they will, and it won't end well. Do you really think Boston Police don't want to enformce the laws? I applaud your effort (somewhat) but everyone needs to face reality. The longer this continues, the worst the ending will be Oct 14 13:48:06 imajoker: and they will face reality if and when it comes. why do you think you are the bringer of reality? Oct 14 13:48:26 because they have guns and will hit people Oct 14 13:48:27 imajoker: thanks for the warning and your support Oct 14 13:48:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @steveannear: #OccupyBoston @OccupyBOS_Media @Occupy_Boston I need residents from specific towns who have been super active in the mo ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124902125175177216 Oct 14 13:48:40 No, the enforcers of law. Oct 14 13:48:44 imajoker: thanks for the warning and your support Oct 14 13:48:56 * KeKe_brb has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 14 13:49:24 lefty, you can make pretend all you want, if you are intelligent enough to believe in something (whatever that is), even you know that this will not end well Oct 14 13:49:39 imajoker: yeah, well, of course trying to fundamentally change the world won't be easy. Oct 14 13:49:43 imajoker there was more support of the idea and the cause in the police force who were arresting and processing us Tuesday morning than I expected, you may be surprised Oct 14 13:50:12 jproulx that's good to hear! Oct 14 13:50:23 "...even you know that this will not end" FTFY Oct 14 13:50:48 I'm still unclear as to what everyone is supporting? The union arrival yesterday was a planned arrival for beneficial gain for the unions. You don't really believe they just showed up do you? Oct 14 13:51:27 Oh yeah, changing the world is thru voting out people in government, so i thought. Oct 14 13:51:27 They were all doing their job (I'd rather they refused) and many were dismissive, don't take my words too far, but there was maybe 1/5 to 1/3 who made some supportive noises Oct 14 13:51:38 Farmerbob, leftyfb...Thanks for the advice, are you guys both fulltime down there? Oct 14 13:51:48 * jeivers has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 13:52:09 imajoker whoe's ever been elected that's not listened to corporate interests? We need to change at least who runs if not how they are elected as well Oct 14 13:52:51 CommonCauseMass: No. I only visit. Just go down and talk to people. Somebody'll be glad to chat. Oct 14 13:53:05 iDealistic Oct 14 13:53:29 fine, the redirect your focus on City Hall or the White House. Not business. Not saying that there isn't greed out there, but I see no benefit by taking up space on the Greenway. Go camp on the steps of Boston City Hall. You'll be heard then. Oct 14 13:53:47 we need to let our dreams become realities.. and some of our realities become dreams Oct 14 13:53:51 * OccupyBoston426 (~OccupyBos@m-33-31-676-744.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:54:09 imajoker: you've been heard. if you've no more constructive comment, perhaps you might move on to other topics or other venues? Oct 14 13:54:25 MikeyG, dreams are attained by hard work and effort, not just arriving for the process Oct 14 13:54:37 imajoker: you think i'm a stranger to this fact? you have no fucking idea who i am. Oct 14 13:54:49 language plz Oct 14 13:54:49 * OccupyBoston033 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 13:54:54 sorry. Oct 14 13:54:56 Nor do you know who i am. Oct 14 13:54:58 my kids look at this Oct 14 13:55:07 this is an outrage Oct 14 13:55:18 one of my *many* favorite things about toadies for the corporate elite is that they all seem to have magically worked much harder than everybody else. Oct 14 13:55:27 dewey sits under bank of america, rbs (citizens) and most importantly the fed... it's more directly demonstrating on the door steps of those who wield the true power Oct 14 13:55:28 especially people with different points of view. Oct 14 13:55:39 Ayn Rand worshippers Oct 14 13:55:40 [Occupy Boston] Global Day of Action - http://occupyboston.com/2011/10/14/global-day-of-action/ Oct 14 13:56:10 i love ayn rand. a lot of the people i've talked to who wield her writing have no idea what she meant. Oct 14 13:56:17 especially people on the "right Oct 14 13:56:27 so, i haven't stayed down at the camp, but thought i might try to find some space tomorrow night. how does one go about that? just chat folks up? Oct 14 13:56:45 the federal reserve=the government=the banks. The Treasury Secretary is from Goldman Saks. HOW CONVENIENT. Oct 14 13:56:51 there was open grass spots when i walked by Oct 14 13:56:54 MikeyG: honestly, i can't read any of it. the writing just seems uninspired and clumsy. Oct 14 13:57:10 MikeyG: the politics is just the final straw. Oct 14 13:57:24 Farmer, exactly Oct 14 13:57:36 Grammie: awesome. tomorrow night is supposed to be nice. might be able to go open air... Oct 14 13:57:45 * hazard has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 14 13:57:48 the clumsyness of it is her effort to be comprehesive in her descriptions of what she's thinking, imo.. Oct 14 13:58:12 * hazard (~hazard@eyxu-79-30-207-36.nys.biz.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 13:58:17 MikeyG: fair enough. i've tried. the recent movie looked pretty terrible, though. Oct 14 13:58:22 but i think i know what you mean by that, i write like that sometimes.. i attribute my need to be complete with my thoughts to the fact that i'm a programmer.. if you don't spell it all out, it won't work Oct 14 13:58:34 MikeyG: i'm a programmer, too. Oct 14 13:58:38 i didn't see the movie either Oct 14 13:58:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Remember: food drive this wknd! Bring all non-perishable goods down to Dewey! You can also donate directly to GBFB at http://t.co/BG2lizml - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124906343848091649 Oct 14 13:58:42 it looks terribad Oct 14 13:58:49 MikeyG: lots of programmers like rand. i've never figured it out. Oct 14 13:59:03 seriously the philosophy reads like code at least to me Oct 14 13:59:21 i'm also a philosophy major so i enjoy reading and rereading the same page 8 times over until i /get/ it Oct 14 13:59:53 and i admit i reread chapters of atlas shrugged 4-5 times if they were really dense stuff Oct 14 13:59:55 MikeyG: maybe that's my problem. maybe i like postmodernists too much to be a good programmer. completely disjoint and deconstructed code. Oct 14 14:00:26 talk to me farmerbob. your a programmer. do you have a job? Oct 14 14:00:31 * Lendormi (~Laff@237.790.31.57.rev.sfr.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:00:37 i have a job :D Oct 14 14:00:40 * WFG has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 14:00:50 Farmerbob....I actualyl really enjoyed Atlas Shrugged, her prescriptions of human nature are decent, but her assumptions that everyone in gov't is bad and everyone in business is flawed Oct 14 14:00:51 i have a job and go to school. i've had a job since before i started high school. Oct 14 14:00:51 Farmer, I like postmodernists Oct 14 14:00:56 i've had a job through the dot com bubble burst, through 9/11 through the great recession Oct 14 14:01:19 ok, so you are trying to make ends meet. i applaud you. will your education lead you in a direction of success thru programming? Oct 14 14:01:23 The police are loving this! Millions of dollars in overtime. Oct 14 14:01:26 CommonCauseMass: i stand with Gore Vidal (RIP) regarding Rand - her philosophy is almost perfect in its immorality. Oct 14 14:01:47 nah. i just wanted to go to school. Oct 14 14:02:01 i've had success as a programmer at multiple internet startups. Oct 14 14:02:13 Lilke how I changed the topic Oct 14 14:02:19 but success is a loaded word. Oct 14 14:02:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @ACLU_Mass: Hey @OccupyBOS_Media @occupy_Boston the ACLUm has your back! www.ACLUM.org/occupy #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/MyAnonPage/statuses/124907626311073792 Oct 14 14:02:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @OccupyPics: Tomorrow, #occupywallstreet protests are scheduled in 951 cities in 82 countries http://t.co/YUFPocOt #ows #occupyboston @MayorTomMenino - http://twitter.com/censorednewsnow/statuses/124907658733043712 Oct 14 14:02:33 Farmerbob...hahahaha fair enough, sure was fun to read though Oct 14 14:02:56 No it isn't. success is what you make of it. money? health family success. hows that loaded when its the truth. Oct 14 14:03:11 imajoker: everybody's trying to make ends meet. that's why they're camping out all around the country. Oct 14 14:03:12 Has anyone read Adorno? Oct 14 14:03:41 * freddie (~freddie@sgkp-481-0-082-511.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:03:57 ok, i get it. how is everyone applying themselves to making ends met, and what is meant by that? Having a cell phone, having a certain amount of $, what is meant by this statement? Oct 14 14:05:18 i make my ends meet. Oct 14 14:05:30 US Deficit is over 1.3 TRILLION so far this year.... Oct 14 14:05:34 Silence? Oct 14 14:05:44 hahaha. so what are you doing to advance yourself in society? Oct 14 14:05:57 imajoker: there's a lot of effort going into portraying people who are in or support the occupy* movement(s) (whatever) as lie-abouts and shirkers who don't live in the real world. nothing could be further from the truth. there are students (bright, engaged, and conscientious ones), people working multiple jobs, retirees worried about their fixed incomes, and on and on. they're all trying to get by. and they all agree it s Oct 14 14:05:57 Comrades? Oct 14 14:06:10 comrades? Oct 14 14:06:16 64 Trillion is owed by US to citizens for social security and health insurances.... Oct 14 14:06:29 Tracywork: i haven't. will have to check it out. Oct 14 14:06:38 * OccupyBoston582 (~OccupyBos@38.97.kx.lyv) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:06:49 * huxley has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 14 14:07:00 i agree but again, what would be the goal of "making it". Is stripping corporate america and greedy individuals from their $ something that would make you "make it"? Oct 14 14:07:12 Farmer, are you a farmer? Oct 14 14:07:25 he's a farmer as much as i'm a joker Oct 14 14:07:27 imajoker I build supercomputing clusters at a major research institute and have volunteered with technology out reach programs on teh Navajo nation, in Kenya, and Fijian one room schools with dirt floors and no power Oct 14 14:07:28 Tracywork: i have been. was. in a past life. Oct 14 14:07:32 imajoker: if i were to tell you all the things i'm doing to advance myself in society you wouldn't believe me. Oct 14 14:07:41 making it is when you're in your 30's and you have pictures of your awesome house and cute kids on facebook Oct 14 14:07:53 also: rather than better myself in this society, i'd sooner create one that i'd have my kids grow up in. Oct 14 14:07:53 * OccupyBoston582 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 14:07:56 I've been married for 20years and have two teen age kids Oct 14 14:07:57 what is with this tendency for people on the right to feel they're the only people who work or strive? Oct 14 14:07:59 this world is shit and needs changing. Oct 14 14:08:01 Cool. I have never met a farmer. Isn't that sad? Oct 14 14:08:06 I think we should focus our efforts against CITIZENS UNITED Oct 14 14:08:09 what do you think? Oct 14 14:08:15 Tracywork: they're hard to come by. there's more money in computers. Oct 14 14:08:24 this is an outrage. Oct 14 14:08:34 i really hope the patriots win on sunday Oct 14 14:08:49 who says i'm on the right or that i don't feel people apply themselves to their convictions? Oct 14 14:08:51 CommonCauseMass: i think we should focus on keeping this thing (conversation?) going. Oct 14 14:09:05 I think city dwellers should reconnect to the food source. Oct 14 14:09:26 * jproulx (~jon@fxlv.csail.mit.edu) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 14:09:28 at McDonalds you can get coffee for $1. small, med or large. get a large so we can screw the corporations. Oct 14 14:09:45 brilliant Oct 14 14:09:48 tracy; in portland oregon they have an awesome grocry chain called new season's for that Oct 14 14:10:04 Farmer, i agree with you, but i think there needs to be a few things that can allow the establishment to join in on the movement in a specific direction Oct 14 14:10:06 Tracywork: well, most farmers are pretty disconnected from the food source at this point. commercial farming today doesn't strongly resemble what my grandfathers did. Oct 14 14:10:08 yeah, that's a way to get a message across, by screwing people. Oct 14 14:10:12 but i agree Oct 14 14:10:20 Persistance is more effective than Resistance Oct 14 14:10:41 Monsanto. Pure evil Oct 14 14:10:58 CommonCauseMass: absolutely. you should go down there. Oct 14 14:11:02 i'm going to knit mittens for everyone for when it gets cold Oct 14 14:11:06 Tracywork: no doubt. Oct 14 14:11:10 Cmon FB, thought we were talking? Oct 14 14:11:10 u need money Grammie? Oct 14 14:11:18 no establishment. That is my personal wish. Oct 14 14:11:19 Tracywork: if there was ever a candidate for antitrust action, it's monsanto Oct 14 14:11:21 no thanks Oct 14 14:11:26 Yup Oct 14 14:11:28 * OccupyBoston010 (~OccupyBos@mumo-24-061-04-7.prvdri.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:11:38 * Janey (6c4d8a80@hwtxf8.mibbit.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:11:54 i'm going to go occupy a bar. Oct 14 14:12:09 hope to see some of you people tomorrow. Oct 14 14:12:43 Have one for me. Oct 14 14:12:47 fsu? Oct 14 14:13:03 Free school university Oct 14 14:13:14 you can't leave! your there to support a cause! Support isn't suppose to be based on convenience! Oct 14 14:13:19 where is that in the camp? Oct 14 14:13:39 * OccupyBoston168 (~OccupyBos@306.313-pool-avail-mi.sccoast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:13:45 how do I miss these things haha Oct 14 14:13:50 * OccupyBoston010 is now known as grok Oct 14 14:13:55 Never had a chance to attend. Taught by actual professors. Oct 14 14:13:56 * Janey (6c4d8a80@hwtxf8.mibbit.com) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 14:14:08 * OccupyBoston802 (~OccupyBos@40-94-02-90-vnanyjyhif.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:14:11 * OccuB has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 14:14:23 * OccuB (~OccuB@199-188-765-203-goxmbuzjmi.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:14:31 i wonder what christmas will be like at the camp Oct 14 14:14:35 * OccupyBoston426 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 14:14:39 * OccuB has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 14:14:44 grammie, it won't last till christmas Oct 14 14:14:50 ? Oct 14 14:14:59 why not? Oct 14 14:15:09 Grammie: they are a troll, ignore them Oct 14 14:15:12 Holiday season we should take donations and do a toy drive. Oct 14 14:15:16 Because NY and the City of Boston will only toerate it for so long. Oct 14 14:15:22 * OccupyBoston802 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 14:15:23 sorry tolerate Oct 14 14:15:31 they have no choice Oct 14 14:15:36 Make things. Sweatshop free Oct 14 14:15:46 I am not crafty though. Oct 14 14:16:03 That's where you are wrong. Choice is staying or leaving when asked. I get the feeling neither City will ask Oct 14 14:16:17 * OccupyBoston131 (~OccupyBos@ja-95-567-07-44.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:16:24 * OccupyBoston131 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 14:16:27 they're not going to arrest everyone Oct 14 14:16:48 * OccupyBoston168 is now known as keats Oct 14 14:16:58 Yes.............they will. but lets' say they don't, then what? Oct 14 14:17:04 * hosap (~hosap@otkk-67-88-832-993.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:17:05 Grammie, do not encourage him. Oct 14 14:17:15 Encourage what, thought and comment? Oct 14 14:17:35 afternoon y'all Oct 14 14:17:42 denver really looks like is was rough Oct 14 14:18:05 * bel (~khad@cxyuzujo.torservers.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:18:09 why did it look rough? Only been paying attention to bosston Oct 14 14:18:10 Denver pulled a Boston. Oct 14 14:18:22 but the cops made everyone leave Oct 14 14:18:34 all of these ideas are a work in progress, question asking dude. you can't ask us to have a contingency for every hypothetical your obviously powerful imagination can come up with Oct 14 14:18:35 are you suprised? Oct 14 14:18:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @mjuszczak always cool to hear from more libertarians! RTed that. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124910873830629377 Oct 14 14:18:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @MyAnonPage: @ACLU_Mass: Hey @OccupyBOS_Media @occupy_Boston the ACLUm has your back! www.ACLUM.org/occupy #occupyboston #OccupyTog ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124910927601598465 Oct 14 14:18:41 Worse than Boston. Oct 14 14:18:44 took peep's stuff? Oct 14 14:18:45 the first ammendment says right to assemble but not right to set up camp Oct 14 14:18:47 * grok (~OccupyBos@mumo-24-061-04-7.prvdri.fios.verizon.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 14:19:01 also we should have started by assembling into voltron Oct 14 14:19:34 A contingency plan for every potential situation is a sign of a planned, well thought, structured movement of any protest Oct 14 14:19:43 * OccupyBoston278 (~OccupyBos@n-47-754-640-4.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:19:52 Grammie: the first amendment says congress shall not make a law opposing assembly; the city and the state are not congress Oct 14 14:19:53 * marxistvegan has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 14:20:06 * OccupyBoston278 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 14:20:41 assembly and living are two different things Oct 14 14:21:02 Grammie: my point is the local government can restrict any sort of assembly as they see fit, and they do Oct 14 14:21:13 so isn't loitering and trespassing, but they are still against the law Oct 14 14:21:17 we as citizens of boston have no right to assembly Oct 14 14:21:47 imajoker: no it's a sign of a paranoid mind justifying their paranoia Oct 14 14:21:48 Talk to me GK, you seem to have some common sense Oct 14 14:21:51 according to boston's code, anything over 10 people they can bust without a real reason Oct 14 14:21:59 * danglingman (~danglingm@c-65-44-816-51.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:21:59 right to assemble is why most citeis & towns have commons Oct 14 14:22:10 Yes GK, you are correct. Oct 14 14:22:17 I don't want to be correct Oct 14 14:22:22 that's why I protest Oct 14 14:22:25 shit needs to change Oct 14 14:22:26 There are people on the right calling us seditious Oct 14 14:22:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @steveannear Im very active and fron Quincy #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/jaykelly26/statuses/124912668451684354 Oct 14 14:22:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @OccupyPics: Photo: SEIU Local 509 with #OccupyBoston and MassUniting: SEIU Local 509 posted a photo: http://t.co/97HqYu3R #occupyBoston #ows - http://twitter.com/EdNDeb4858/statuses/124912808906334208 Oct 14 14:22:35 Protect what. agree. but what are we going to change? Oct 14 14:22:50 there are people on the right who can define seditious without a dictionary? Oct 14 14:22:53 * farmerbob has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 14:22:53 * KeKe_brb (KeKe_brb@47g0279u.bb.sky.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:23:02 why is this a right and left issue. how about an american issue? Oct 14 14:23:09 * KeKe_brb is now known as KeKe Oct 14 14:23:13 don't underestimate your esteemed opponent Oct 14 14:23:27 They will not participate in a discussion. Oct 14 14:23:30 my opponent is the right AND the left as it stands Oct 14 14:23:37 the left and right are distractions / ways to divide us by ideas.. why do we have to pick between saving the environment and efficient government? Oct 14 14:23:42 they will not concede that you are entitled to an opinion Oct 14 14:23:43 I say fuck the democrats and republicans equally Oct 14 14:23:53 GenKreton: here here! Oct 14 14:24:03 I say fuck them both, but fuck the republicans more Oct 14 14:24:06 of course Oct 14 14:24:06 the both drove us into this disaster together Oct 14 14:24:08 OK, lets say that, again, why aren't all these protesters on the steps of City Hall Oct 14 14:24:09 no fuck them both equally. Oct 14 14:24:11 I say hang them both while we fix it Oct 14 14:24:14 but the Democrats do not represent the Left. Oct 14 14:24:26 the Democrats have never represented the Left. Oct 14 14:24:49 * farmerbob (~nobody@hksf-862-4-502-35.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:24:50 imajoker: we Oct 14 14:24:54 The dems and repubs dont represent anything but corporate interest....neither side care about anyone or anything... Oct 14 14:24:57 GK, you can't say that and carry on a debate or discussion. I'm hoping you meant that figuratively, not literally. Violence isn't the answer here Oct 14 14:25:02 imajoker: we're at the steps of far more politically powerful institutions than city hall Oct 14 14:25:11 repubs and dems 2 wings of corporate party Oct 14 14:25:19 but the republicans are the type of people who will bend over and spread 'em even more for the interest of big business Oct 14 14:25:21 * kavita (~kavita@144.212.x.k) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:25:26 it was figuratively, I'm a pacifist buddhist afterall :)> Oct 14 14:25:34 maybe, but you also are on the verge of dealing with reality of what happens when people disobey the law, woudn't you somewhat agree? Oct 14 14:25:39 Politically the Democrats are center-right. It's funny how they and their supporters get pegged as "Leftists". Oct 14 14:26:00 lobbying should be illegal. inheritance should be done away with (all of an individual's money should be destroyed when they die). Oct 14 14:26:10 it's because we let petty social issues dominate the political spectrum Oct 14 14:26:24 republican teddy roosevelt loved the inheritance tax Oct 14 14:26:25 Im sorry, but its okay for government and businesses that run it to break laws endlessly, but we cant protest in a public park? Oct 14 14:26:30 really mikey? Oct 14 14:26:32 while we fight about abortion for 45 years they are bending us over and fucking us Oct 14 14:26:34 thats arrogant Oct 14 14:26:36 i don't think it should be taxed, i think it should be destroyed Oct 14 14:26:42 it's a great tax--we're taxing dead people Oct 14 14:26:52 to deflate the currency, thus returning it to everyone who has dollars Oct 14 14:27:00 no, I don't believe in destroying wealth. Oct 14 14:27:05 thats ridiculous Oct 14 14:27:08 @OccupyBosTech is a new twitter for OB tech Oct 14 14:27:10 you can't destroy wealth. Oct 14 14:27:18 so what if you die and you have children? Oct 14 14:27:22 you can force it to dissipate though Oct 14 14:27:25 thanks Tracywork Oct 14 14:27:27 also taking money out of the pockets of future generations Oct 14 14:27:28 your children lose out? Oct 14 14:27:29 those children should be able to fend for themselves, Grammie Oct 14 14:27:37 as kids? Oct 14 14:27:43 Sure you can, give wealth to the federal reserve, they'll just devalue it until it is worth nothing Oct 14 14:27:44 no you raise your kids. Oct 14 14:27:45 thats so insane Oct 14 14:27:53 you should be able to leave a SMALL amount to your children. Enough to survive, not enough to corrupt the process Oct 14 14:27:57 go grammie! Oct 14 14:27:58 so if you die while they are children they lose??? Oct 14 14:28:05 it'd create an even playing field for everyone Oct 14 14:28:11 Grammie: obv exceptions for situations like these Oct 14 14:28:12 No, you should be able to leave all that you have to family! Oct 14 14:28:15 that's the entitled attitude people are ripping on occupy for Oct 14 14:28:19 Tracywork: did you get what DA's twitter is? Oct 14 14:28:27 Don't let them call it the Death Tax. It's the Paris Hilton tax. The ant-Dynasty tax Oct 14 14:28:35 anti-Dynasty Oct 14 14:28:37 if we're going to remain a capitalist nation, let's do capitalism right. no pre-rigging the game for unworthy heirs. Oct 14 14:28:39 go grammie again! Entitlement, that is a great word Oct 14 14:28:44 it's always been the estate tax Oct 14 14:28:44 so capitalism should die? Oct 14 14:28:44 No Oct 14 14:28:46 that's how you get "sure fire" money making like credit default swaps Oct 14 14:28:53 Grammie: I think so but most disagree Oct 14 14:29:00 seriously this is so warped Oct 14 14:29:01 what is sure fire? Oct 14 14:29:05 how do you figure? Oct 14 14:29:10 inherited wealth allows too much accumulation for a democratic society Oct 14 14:29:14 imajoker: exactly. that's why it was in quotes. Oct 14 14:29:24 so mikey you are a socialist? Oct 14 14:29:28 are we takling in code now? Oct 14 14:29:32 communist maybe? Oct 14 14:29:34 Capitalism should die. Basically, it is already dead. Oct 14 14:29:35 no. what does inheretance have to do with socialism? Oct 14 14:29:39 what if he is? Oct 14 14:29:43 Anything over 5 million should be taxed at 50%. Over 10 million at 75% Oct 14 14:30:00 Agreed, Tracywork. Oct 14 14:30:00 I would have no problem with that if I were to make that kind of money Oct 14 14:30:01 TW, you need to visit a country that isn't a capitalistic society and talk to me then. I have. Oct 14 14:30:02 giving a persons wealth they earned to give to their family back to the state is socialism Oct 14 14:30:10 not back to the state! Oct 14 14:30:18 burn it? Oct 14 14:30:23 no, it isn't socialism. Oct 14 14:30:25 so insane and not realistic Oct 14 14:30:27 imajoker: why are you here? Oct 14 14:30:29 destroy the dollars, thus giving the value back to the other dollars Oct 14 14:30:35 It's taxation, and it's constitutional Oct 14 14:30:35 i'm here. did i miss something Oct 14 14:30:36 imajoker: why are you in this channel? Oct 14 14:30:40 how is it insane? Oct 14 14:30:43 lefty everyone is entitled to their ideals Oct 14 14:30:48 their body goes back to their earth, why shouldn't their wealth? Oct 14 14:30:52 Artist recommendation: David Rovics Oct 14 14:30:53 i'm interested in hearing thoughts and ideas. isn't that the american way Oct 14 14:31:05 it's insane because it makes no sense Oct 14 14:31:05 Modern day Pete Seeger Oct 14 14:31:06 It's NOT socialism! Oct 14 14:31:12 Grammie: you have to do better than that. Oct 14 14:31:15 imajoker: sounds like you're just interested in arguing and voicing your opinion against the cause Oct 14 14:31:19 it is socialism or borderline communism Oct 14 14:31:30 what? i dont think that means what you think that means. Oct 14 14:31:30 None of the above. Oct 14 14:31:40 thats you opinion Oct 14 14:31:41 whats the cause again? again, isnt' an alternate opinion a good thing to create discussion? Oct 14 14:31:51 I could call it fooweg8ba-ism, but that doesn't make it true. Oct 14 14:31:57 we haven't even talked about the means of production Oct 14 14:32:00 and you're calling me a communist Oct 14 14:32:06 Tracywork: I love david rovics! Oct 14 14:32:11 Lefty, OB has a Twitter specifically for tech Oct 14 14:32:14 * OccupyBoston523 (~OccupyBos@18.111.nn.ku) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:32:18 Tracywork: I know :) Oct 14 14:32:25 * Kirmz (bob@wqt527c7258li85-jn903vz381963k.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 14:32:35 leftyfb: do you know da's twitter? Oct 14 14:32:37 Taxation is legal and constitutional, and therefore American Oct 14 14:32:37 We have a lot in common. Not exactly a household name. Lol Oct 14 14:32:42 Why is imajoker red-baiting? Oct 14 14:32:43 so obv i am putting too much into trying to explain something to you that i can't. Oct 14 14:32:45 GenKreton: just a sec Oct 14 14:32:49 what's redbaiting? Oct 14 14:33:00 wasting time? Oct 14 14:33:01 it's when you go fishing with red bait Oct 14 14:33:02 it's like me trying to tell you how delicious fries are and you're calling me a seagull Oct 14 14:33:10 err... *Grammie. Oct 14 14:33:13 * KeKe is now known as KeKe_afk Oct 14 14:33:16 Why is Grammie red-baiting? Oct 14 14:33:27 imajoker: your "discussions" are intentionally futile. Oct 14 14:33:27 civilizations require a philosophy before social structures can be built upon them Oct 14 14:33:41 Grammie believes a label constitutes an argument Oct 14 14:33:46 prolly cos what i said made sense.. it's funny when people use "communist" and "socialist" in derogatory ways Oct 14 14:33:49 futile or thought provoking? again, isn't this what your cause is? Oct 14 14:33:53 Lefty, is it possible to set up some of limited internet cafe for the campers and people without resources? Oct 14 14:33:56 haha yeah MikeyG Oct 14 14:33:59 i really don't have all the answers i just don't agree with that inheritance thing you said Oct 14 14:34:08 Tracywork: I think I discovered him because of jeffrey lewis Oct 14 14:34:23 Democracy Now Oct 14 14:34:25 It's amusing that these political labels scare people and cannot therefore be discussed with any sophistication whatsoever. Oct 14 14:34:26 I saw rovics at club passim in harvard square Oct 14 14:34:35 I missed him Oct 14 14:34:35 lefty, people seem to focus on you as a point or a valuable part of this movement. is this fair to say? Oct 14 14:34:36 Tracywork: doubtful. We have enough issues with getting enough computers and equipment needed for media/logistics Oct 14 14:34:38 You don't see the dangers of inherited wealth? Kennedys? Bushes? Hiltons? Fords? Oct 14 14:34:48 blame the corporate media.. they throw around "socialist" like you're calling somone a bad thing Oct 14 14:34:52 * marxistvegan (~marxistve@awqw-124-7-71-492.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:34:52 I know. Oct 14 14:34:53 haha yeah Oct 14 14:34:58 socialism isn't inherently bad or good, it's an idea. Oct 14 14:35:00 Hi marxist Oct 14 14:35:02 people born into access and influence Oct 14 14:35:07 what's up DC power user! Oct 14 14:35:10 Lefty, did you fix logistics Oct 14 14:35:10 boils down to existential question of why we are here- for our fellow humans or just for ourselves Oct 14 14:35:13 imajoker: I try to help where I can. I'm in no position of power or influence if that's what you're asking Oct 14 14:35:19 Hi Tracywork Oct 14 14:35:24 Humans are social creatures Oct 14 14:35:25 Tracywork: not yet ... the media tent was a mess and needed to be fixed up Oct 14 14:35:33 we are here because we are here. Oct 14 14:35:35 it seems like a lot of idealism and not a lot of practicality in here right now Oct 14 14:35:38 thats true, danglingman Oct 14 14:35:44 there is a person on the other side of the fence bordering your property Oct 14 14:35:46 danglingman: it isnt the inherited wealth as much as it is the corruption and unfair advantage that that $$ buys. Oct 14 14:36:01 you do not have the right to do whatever you please Oct 14 14:36:01 Grammie: yeah some of us have the silly idea that things that make us emotionally uncomfortable are invalid concepts. Oct 14 14:36:01 dang right if we are inately social we must have social governance Oct 14 14:36:02 i should have the right to work hard and leave my family something Oct 14 14:36:08 GenKreton: I'm not sure there is one. Their email is occupybostonDA@gmail.com Oct 14 14:36:08 * OccupyBoston073 (~OccupyBos@209.48.pz.uu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:36:09 so who is? Shouldn't a movement have a leader? Why hasn't everyone appointed an individual to lead and present ideas and comment to the media in a manner which will focus on this movement in a positive manner? Oct 14 14:36:14 exactly CYA Oct 14 14:36:26 leftyfb: ok @occupy_boston said "the da is now up and running and on twitter" Oct 14 14:36:28 * OccupyBoston073 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 14:36:50 lefty, how many people do you think are in Boston now? Oct 14 14:36:52 GenKreton: ah, ok. Yeah, that was planned. Haven't seen the link for it Oct 14 14:36:54 my family is the human race Oct 14 14:37:01 If we could let them have their wealth without giving them privilege to push their agendas over those of people with less wealth, they could keep trillions for all I care Oct 14 14:37:02 imajoker: a single leader breaks the model. a single leader can be bought out. Oct 14 14:37:09 There is nothing wrong with Idealism. Oct 14 14:37:11 People need and should have the right to build weaalth for their families. Oct 14 14:37:12 imajoker: over 200 staying over night. More than that helping out throughout the day. Oct 14 14:37:14 I guess that explains wh you no one was on from media yesterday. Oct 14 14:37:22 cya: to an extent Oct 14 14:37:27 any and all leaders can be bribed Oct 14 14:37:36 there's nothing wrong with dreams or pissing in the wind either Oct 14 14:37:52 Grammie: what i thought you were just tired of all the "idealism" Oct 14 14:37:57 Grammie: you take ur meds? Oct 14 14:38:00 Pissing in the wind is generally ill advised, unless you wish to smell like urine Oct 14 14:38:07 imajoker: This movement is based on democracy. There are teams that meet and come up with ideas based on many sourced. Then those ideas are presented to the GA and voted on. Oct 14 14:38:11 or the feel on your leg Oct 14 14:38:12 OK. Do the math. 200 people are truly "convicted" in their stance and view. I actually applaud them. What about the people who are involved only when convenient? Oct 14 14:38:45 I have kids. I come down when I can. what's better, some support or no support? Oct 14 14:39:05 I brought my kids there to sleep over last sunday Oct 14 14:39:12 imajoker: define convenient. I work 9-7, have a family and side-work, also have lots of other responsibilities yet I do not sleep at the camp but of the past 10 days I have been there 4 times either for the entire day or after work till midnight or later. Oct 14 14:39:27 does convinence have something to do with free time remaining after struggling to make ends meet? Oct 14 14:39:29 did you use sick days? Oct 14 14:39:33 Grammie: no Oct 14 14:39:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @radicaloptimist: United American Indians of New England Supports @Occupy_Boston and #occupywallstreet - #occupyboston @jpmontano p ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124915878214115329 Oct 14 14:39:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @Tappleba: Yo @occupy_boston we want to profile Julian T. Evans of Brookline who's fighting protest arrest, know his contact? Tappleb ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124915946950365184 Oct 14 14:39:54 We all have to help each other out Oct 14 14:40:04 your work just let you go for the day 4 times? Oct 14 14:40:12 dangl roger Oct 14 14:40:14 Grammie: weekends and holidays Oct 14 14:40:14 Ima, I work full time and I go almost every single day. Oct 14 14:40:28 oh gotcha Oct 14 14:40:31 I'm the same, I work and go every day Oct 14 14:40:32 so here you are, a person who obviously loves family and i'm sure your a wonderful individual, but can you really believe that a movement that is only supported when convenient? Is that how America became America? I don't think so. Oct 14 14:40:39 sorry, make that 6 days i've been down there Oct 14 14:40:48 do you have kids joker? Oct 14 14:40:52 2 Oct 14 14:40:54 Ima, and spend a lot of money on a T Oct 14 14:40:58 who cares how long anyone is there Oct 14 14:40:58 i'm an old man to boot Oct 14 14:41:09 imajoker: You're smart enough to know it's not based on convenience. Oct 14 14:41:14 far from it Oct 14 14:41:18 it doesn't make you support the ideas more or less Oct 14 14:41:19 imajoker: what's with this defeatism? srs man, have some faith in this. i know you've been hurt and burned by the system, but don't use that negativity to snuff out positivity. Oct 14 14:41:19 especially with all the arrests Oct 14 14:41:25 you think you can make America its best by abandoning your most important responsibility, that is to your kids? Oct 14 14:42:01 I'll save the country by not taking care of my children? That's fucked Oct 14 14:42:04 And yes, I believe in this movement, based on people dedicating all their free time and them some to something they believe in. As with any movement that has defined society and brought it forward. Oct 14 14:42:05 Then either all of you are too young to understand about real protest or you aren't truly convicted in the cause. Oct 14 14:42:23 Well, the lord high joker has spoken Oct 14 14:42:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @knob2040 Where does this bullshit come from? There's no antisemitism at #OccupyBoston. There's a Sukkot tonight: http://t.co/ljD2iYu9 - http://twitter.com/drewSaysGoVeg/statuses/124917760714211328 Oct 14 14:42:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #OCCUPYBOSTON STAND UP PEOPLE WE HAVE A VOICE!! WE HAVE TO STAND FOR WHATS RIGHT!! ITS OUR TIME TO SPEAK!! - http://twitter.com/SAYITAINTDOC/statuses/124917853546741760 Oct 14 14:42:31 * keats has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 14:42:33 i think taking care of your kids comes first Oct 14 14:42:34 I can't be there tonight and I feel guilty. Oct 14 14:42:54 like christian guilty or jewish guilty? Oct 14 14:43:00 peolple have outstanding commitments and commit to movement when they can Oct 14 14:43:05 imajoker: Leaving your family and responsibilities to rot does not mean you are not convicted. Oct 14 14:43:09 No, that's where you are mistaken, real protest and conviction comes from individual / oganizaations placing their cause above everything else. similar to when it comes to priority over family! Oct 14 14:43:30 imajoker: then we all agree to disagree with you Oct 14 14:43:38 Rot, no, they won't rot. that's a poor word and direction to try to support you arguement Oct 14 14:43:43 imajoker: srs i detect a lot of bitterness and defeatism. you can say we've lost if it makes you feel better, but if you're here professing it it's probably because deep down you HOPE it doesn't fizzle out. Oct 14 14:43:55 * hyman (~hyman@m-33-31-676-744.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:44:06 * thewanlorn (~thewanlor@t-407-46-74-5.hsd4.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:44:07 Then you will babysit my kids for free for teh cause, joker? Oct 14 14:44:07 * BigWhopper99 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 14:44:29 i'm babysitting tonight!!! Oct 14 14:44:34 Who will be at camp tomorrow? Oct 14 14:44:43 Joker? Oct 14 14:44:48 I'm not bitter, just trying to understand what the real gain is here. I'm assuming most have never been arrested, don't have a police record, and really aren't above 24 years old with a full time job. My concern is that it will affect all your chances of future success. Oct 14 14:45:10 52, no police record Oct 14 14:45:16 32 and full time job. Oct 14 14:45:19 am middle-aged and think & feel the younguns are doing fine work, with both intelligence & passion Oct 14 14:45:19 imajoker: lets say you win whatever argument/point you are trying to make, lets just get to that point so we don't have to waste our time arguing with someone who has no interest in being convinced or being made aware beyond their current mindset Oct 14 14:45:23 had a full time job Oct 14 14:45:28 31, full time job. Oct 14 14:45:41 i'm not trying to win anything, just trying to understand and lend comment Oct 14 14:45:41 part-time at Mcdonalds Oct 14 14:45:46 * ctw (~fusilliba@918-8-73-245.c7-7.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:45:57 * danglingman has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 14:46:03 56 quit wage-slave job last june Oct 14 14:46:03 oooh mcdonalds! Oct 14 14:46:12 do you have mad monopoly pieces? Oct 14 14:46:17 whats wage slave job? Oct 14 14:46:25 <~~~ mid 30's, fulltime and part-time job making enough to be considered the 1% donating 90% of my non-working time to the cause Oct 14 14:46:36 I am really impressed at all the concern trolls that keep showing up. Oct 14 14:46:43 meat wrapper in supermarket Oct 14 14:47:03 i think troll is really overused Oct 14 14:47:12 this is a public chat is it not Oct 14 14:47:13 the protesting has been great for mcdonalds owner...lots of nice people and courageous protesters, unlike imajoker, coming in Oct 14 14:47:16 Lefty, did the IRC chat computer,survice the flood? Oct 14 14:47:17 no raise for anyone in store for over 5 years Oct 14 14:47:21 Survive Oct 14 14:47:32 so is everyone unhappy with the jobs they have and the pay they make, and that doing this will what.........make them more $? Oct 14 14:47:35 Tracywork: that is still functional Oct 14 14:47:47 imajoker: I'm completely happy with my current financial situation Oct 14 14:48:01 imajoker: I am NOT happy with the current state of affairs in this country Oct 14 14:48:02 So am I Oct 14 14:48:11 * OccupyBoston953 (~OccupyBos@612-131-15-576.c3-6.lex-ubr5.sbo-lex.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:48:12 with this movement, have never felt better in my life Oct 14 14:48:14 yeah i don't need any more than what i haven Oct 14 14:48:17 * MediaTent (~MediaTent@50.12.rzo.ju) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:48:20 i haven't wanted for anything in my whole life Oct 14 14:48:22 MediaTent: WELCOME! Oct 14 14:48:27 * fireflye (~fireflye@wqw-111n6z1b.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:48:27 except justice, maybe :) Oct 14 14:48:27 thanks! Oct 14 14:48:28 hello IRC sorry for the delay today Oct 14 14:48:36 MediaTent: Are you using the IRC laptop? Oct 14 14:48:38 So why isn't the focus on voting out the people who are in office now, in hope of change? isnt that how President Obama was elected into office? Oct 14 14:48:39 yes Oct 14 14:48:40 OB is like a second job. I only want to be there. Oct 14 14:48:40 I am SO impressed and encourged by the young people that are involved inthis movement. i was beginning to think that everyone had been zombified. Oct 14 14:48:48 so what exactly does everyone expect to achieve from this camp out? Oct 14 14:48:53 * fireflye has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 14:48:56 imajoker: How is that different than what we've been trying to do all along? Oct 14 14:49:22 MediaTent, was just asking about that laptop. Oct 14 14:49:30 cya ditto Oct 14 14:49:39 OccupyBoston953: personally, I expect to raise awareness and initiate/encourage change in many different aspects in the government/system Oct 14 14:49:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @LeeannSullivan come to facilitation meeting? - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124918197693587457 Oct 14 14:49:48 Camping out on the Greenland states you are disatisfied, making change in goverment, scares individuals who are doing improper things in government that the gravey train may be over Oct 14 14:49:49 leftyfb: do you think there is a place for a laptop or two for the less fortunate in the camp to take part in the online resources we're generating. Like the new survey, and after the decision at the ga two nights ago to put proposals about our purpose on wikispaces to collaborate and develop Oct 14 14:49:51 MediaTent: hm, you should be automatically op'd Oct 14 14:50:03 yeah ut was being used to write a press release Oct 14 14:50:04 * fireflye007 (~fireflye0@wqw-111n6z1b.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:50:08 Gen, already asked Oct 14 14:50:10 CAMPING OUT IN THE CITY WILL NOT CHANGE ANY LAW Oct 14 14:50:13 Not feasible Oct 14 14:50:18 k, sorry I missed it Oct 14 14:50:22 balancing work and chat Oct 14 14:50:30 Commoncause.org/ma has been battling for 40 years to get the kind of exposure for these issues that #occupyboston has achieved in 1 month....THATS what they are "doing"!!!!! Oct 14 14:50:31 Same here Oct 14 14:50:31 true 953 Oct 14 14:50:32 953: thanks for the tip. Oct 14 14:50:55 camping out will change the law, because the people need to know the problems before the law gets changed! Oct 14 14:50:57 right what what are you trying to ACHIEVE? Oct 14 14:50:58 GenKreton: If we could get those laptops(with working batteries) donated and plugged into a proposed charging station powered by the solar panel and pedal generators, I think that's a great idea. Propose it to the GA and/or put out a call on twitter to get more laptops donated. Oct 14 14:51:00 the US has to compete with labor from around the world working for less than $1/hour. The Unions here want $75 and hour. What do you think will eventually happen to value of USA? Oct 14 14:51:05 Overturn Citizens United Oct 14 14:51:13 Redefine Corporate Personhood Oct 14 14:51:14 * Bobb (~Bob@2zg06t15.cm-9-0b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:51:18 if OWS goes down they all go down Oct 14 14:51:22 * Bobb has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 14:51:22 they WILL NEVER CHANGE A LAW BASED ON PEOPLE CAMPING OUT TOGETHER Oct 14 14:51:27 Restore Balance to our Nationals financial institutions Oct 14 14:51:32 no Oct 14 14:51:36 leftyfb: I can probably get a few laptops from where I work, older ones, and I can set them up so its easy to use and snappy despite the hardware using linux Oct 14 14:51:41 silence is not an option Oct 14 14:51:41 but they will start the naational conversation necessecary Oct 14 14:51:43 OccupyBoston953: The occupations have already been making waves in media and politics. We just have to make the waves bigger. Things WILL get done. Not everything, not right away, but change will happen as a result of this. Oct 14 14:51:44 systemic change Oct 14 14:51:48 Lefty, I thought,it,was a good idea, but I am too shy to speak at,GA so Gen will do it :) Oct 14 14:51:49 the value isn't the usa's anymore. the value belongs to the 1% who will go to the next superpower once they've sucked this one dry. Oct 14 14:51:58 your end result will not be what you want or expect Oct 14 14:52:02 http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-waiting-for-protesters-to-clearly-articulat,26353/ Oct 14 14:52:03 good luck Oct 14 14:52:06 953: it never is Oct 14 14:52:06 * OccupyBoston953 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 14:52:08 Tracywork: but I want you there to wiggle your fingers in the air :P Oct 14 14:52:25 Grammie: I do not agree Oct 14 14:52:34 law of unintended consequences is to be expected Oct 14 14:52:36 ok Oct 14 14:52:38 I feel like the people who say "but you're not doing anything, you haven't demanded anything" are just looking for a reason to dismiss. Oct 14 14:52:40 people were talking at morning GA about putting a laptop in the new library tent as well Oct 14 14:52:52 Though there are a few people who are legitimately confused, I think. Oct 14 14:52:56 god I love that we have a library Oct 14 14:52:56 for public wiki editing Oct 14 14:53:00 ctw ditto again Oct 14 14:53:19 MediaTent: Those sound like people who don't understand what the power drop situation is down at OB. Oct 14 14:53:21 * fireflye007 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 14:53:31 it's been fascinating to watch this camp develop into it's own community Oct 14 14:53:33 MediaTent: do you nees some one to do the chat tomorrow? Oct 14 14:53:38 it really makes me want to go live on a commune Oct 14 14:53:44 MediaTent: ideally, that tent needs to be moved, but that would work as well Oct 14 14:53:54 It is,nice there. Oct 14 14:54:01 maybe Solyndra can power up the laptops. Oh wait. they are bankrupt now a day after receiving 500 million of taxpayer money. Sure - this is what "Change" is all about... Oct 14 14:54:03 commune lyfe Oct 14 14:54:06 Tracywork: we ALWAYS need someone in chat. Either for media or logistics. Oct 14 14:54:08 LOL Oct 14 14:54:10 Man, we are totally the infrastructure occupation. Oct 14 14:54:11 * KeKe_afk is now known as KeKe Oct 14 14:54:18 We have tents and electricity and wi-fi... Oct 14 14:54:24 yours truly lives communally Oct 14 14:54:31 * Jay_Guevara (~Jay_Gueva@dccz-03-50-062-994.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:54:39 stoop kids afraid to leave his stoop Oct 14 14:54:44 hosap: where? Oct 14 14:54:59 north central MA Oct 14 14:55:00 ctw: schools and libraries Oct 14 14:55:05 I usually do it on weekends that is why I asked. Oct 14 14:55:09 hosap: what's the community's name? Oct 14 14:55:11 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to MediaTent Oct 14 14:55:18 I assume that OWS has a school just like we do. Oct 14 14:55:24 hosap: I've really only heard about the ones on the west coats Oct 14 14:55:28 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to GenKreton Oct 14 14:55:31 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to farmerbob Oct 14 14:55:33 ows has had a library far longer Oct 14 14:55:33 * OccupyBoston843 (~OccupyBos@152.65.pwh.ung) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:55:34 * OccupyBoston843 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 14:55:37 ashby Oct 14 14:55:45 Ok. I can use my own MBP or the IRC one. Oct 14 14:55:48 thank you leftyfb Oct 14 14:55:50 I didn't know they had a library - that's impressive, since they have no tents. Oct 14 14:55:53 * farmerbob has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 14:55:59 * eastwind (~eastwind@306.313-pool-avail-mi.sccoast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:56:01 ctw: their library is in plastic containers Oct 14 14:56:11 what remains of a larger mystical order Oct 14 14:56:14 pretty severe weather tonight if you are thinking about coming to GA. Bring an umbrella Oct 14 14:56:29 MediaTent: have they started rebuilding the media tent at all yet? Oct 14 14:56:30 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Concert: "Folk In" Irish & Scottish Music - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=YmpvbHFpamVxa2c0NHNrN2MxMmFvbWUyMHMgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 14 14:56:31 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Sleepover: filming hold - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=N3FwZWthajlwcm1oMWF2ZmxvYTVtcm50czAgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 14 14:56:33 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Talia Comdey Troop - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=NjJvM2lsZW1mZG9tOTdzdHAydXE5NmZkYjggOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 14 14:56:42 MediaTent, do we still expect death and destruction tomorrow? Oct 14 14:56:45 GOOD AFTERNOON REVOLUTIONARIES! Hey - as you all know, OccupyDenver was clobbered by their State Police acting under orders from their Governor, Hickenlooper. Please call Governor Hickenlooper's office at (303) 866-2471 to politley register your disapproval Oct 14 14:57:05 Or is that just NY, now? Oct 14 14:57:08 3 unrelated adults no children small cottage 2 cars low material consumption lifestyle Oct 14 14:57:09 * eastwind is now known as benbella Oct 14 14:57:30 interesting hosap Oct 14 14:57:36 are we getting a christmas tree after thanksgiving? Oct 14 14:57:38 rainy party tonight Oct 14 14:58:03 MediaTent: have they started rebuilding the media tent at all yet? Also, can I get a reading off of the killawatt device(If you don't know what/where it is, ask around) Oct 14 14:58:23 and death and destruction is on the calender for tomorrow. Waiting on details for the Saturday march. Had an initial meeting with DA a few minutes ago Oct 14 14:58:23 Cmon grammie, if you are a grammie, you must realize that this isn't going to last till Halloween, never mind Christmas Oct 14 14:58:24 gen have come to relize the value of communal living for all people- system rigged to squeeze nuclear family Oct 14 14:58:34 * Tracywork has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 14 14:58:38 would celebrating thanksgiving be ironic? Oct 14 14:58:44 * Tracywork2 (~yaaic@576-049-640-041.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 14:58:59 i'm thankful for the genocide that lead to my eventual birth Oct 14 14:59:02 Dropped my phone. Oct 14 14:59:03 hosap: I'm very interested in it but know little and only heard about the ones in places like oregon... is there any resource I should look into? Oct 14 14:59:04 Its possible for it to last Oct 14 14:59:05 Imajoker we will be here after Halloween. I promise! Oct 14 14:59:12 I have protestested through the winter before Oct 14 14:59:13 its hard Oct 14 14:59:16 imajoker: Do you have some report that the Mayor has gone against his recent statement from yesterday that we need to be removed soon? Oct 14 14:59:24 important for any communal group to share same philosophy Oct 14 14:59:25 but we could rotate who has to survive the nights and be ok Oct 14 14:59:34 good one mikey Oct 14 14:59:38 just have to make sure its not the same people every night sleeping in the cold Oct 14 14:59:43 GenKreton: Oregon is good for all things hippy. :-P Oct 14 14:59:48 with some organization, its doable1 Oct 14 14:59:58 My sleeping bag is rated for -20 F Oct 14 15:00:10 gen do not know of any specific resources- sorry Oct 14 15:00:11 Lefty, he has to say that to stay PC. In the end, pressure will eventually lead to the Mayor enforcing the law. Oct 14 15:00:17 hazard: oregon is still second to mass for cyclocross! Oct 14 15:00:23 * theonlytruestyle2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 15:00:23 i'm thankful that the dinosaurs are extinct, and that migrating glaciers made us pools of freshwater. Oct 14 15:00:29 MediaTent: I can't be there tonight. I will be there tomorrow morning to help. Oct 14 15:00:35 GenKreton: What's cyclocross? Oct 14 15:00:47 hey haz Oct 14 15:00:51 imajoker: There is no law against people protesting in an area previously designated as a protest zone Oct 14 15:00:59 i'm thankful for pro-lifers making me look edgy when i walk into planned parenthood Oct 14 15:01:02 Hey ho Oct 14 15:01:05 :-P Oct 14 15:01:09 hazard: a form of bicycle racing Oct 14 15:01:10 lol Oct 14 15:01:15 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to hazard Oct 14 15:01:47 haz u can refer to me as sap also :) Oct 14 15:02:06 GenKreton: Ah, that makes sense. In my experience, the NW isn't an overly competitive place. Oct 14 15:02:08 * gabi (~gabi@59-16-989-65.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:02:28 where is the sacred space tent? Oct 14 15:02:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @alexjon: RT this #occupyseattle poll: http://t.co/kiNNAqMM - #ows #occupydenver #occupyboston #occupyportland - http://twitter.com/ArcAqua/statuses/124922726283620353 Oct 14 15:02:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #OccupyBoston inspired Charlie http://t.co/vZMKsF0R Make #OccupyChowdaheadz a trending topic in Boston & we'll give 10 ppl a FREE T-Shirt! - http://twitter.com/chowdaheadz/statuses/124922763302551552 Oct 14 15:02:32 MediaTent: have they started rebuilding the media tent at all yet? Also, can I get a reading off of the killawatt device(If you don't know what/where it is, ask around) Oct 14 15:02:39 are we having a halloween party? Oct 14 15:03:15 Gabi, at the front Oct 14 15:03:31 It's near Gandhi. Oct 14 15:03:36 thank you tracy Oct 14 15:04:02 media tent is fully rebuilt but is full of trash right now. :( Oct 14 15:04:03 * libgal has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 15:04:05 Once more, then I have to go scrounging again: Please call Colorado's Governor Hickenlooper to politely register your disapproval of him ordering occupydenver being torn down. (303) 866-2471 Oct 14 15:04:31 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Jeff MacKinnon Wicked Productions Comedy - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=b3FjazNrcDhqbHZ2dm9paGNuODhzdm5vaG8gOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 14 15:04:32 it goes str8 to voicemail Oct 14 15:04:48 * imajoker has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 15:04:57 when did they put up a gandhi statue in boston? Oct 14 15:05:05 someone in camp brought it Oct 14 15:05:06 * gabi has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 15:05:10 Fairly early. Oct 14 15:05:13 gen thanks Oct 14 15:05:23 MediaTent: yeah, I meant rebuilt as in sorted out. It's not functional at the moment. Especially with those pedal generators in there. Oct 14 15:05:28 thoght the city had :) Oct 14 15:06:06 MediaTent: I proposed the idea of taking the canopy in the back of the tent that I brought in, putting it outside the tent on the right side with some tarps and setting up the pedal generators out there. Oct 14 15:06:08 we need a place for the pedal generators Oct 14 15:06:42 MediaTent: If there's some able bodies around, that might be something to be done. That might also require getting the library moved to another space ... since he's not supposed to be there to begin with. Oct 14 15:07:13 Leftyfb, I find any use of the phrase "supposed to be" highly suspicious in the context of Occupy Boston. Oct 14 15:07:14 * OccupyBoston831 (~OccupyBos@w-83-05-637-681.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:07:34 MediaTent: if they do decide to use the canopy in that fasion, the green bad inside the storage tent has the guy lines and stakes to secure it down better Oct 14 15:07:36 * ravi has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 15:07:55 Hey - I just had a neat idea. What if we - the camp - started issuing our own currency? OB dollars? Just thinking out loud. Here's another one - somebody print out some Voter Registration PDFs and start registering people to vote Oct 14 15:08:08 That one is being done Jay Oct 14 15:08:11 ctw: The library is on the small hill that we have agreed with the city not to put any sort of tents or structures on. Oct 14 15:08:15 Awesome Oct 14 15:08:24 to vote in real elections? Oct 14 15:08:29 yes Oct 14 15:08:39 weird Oct 14 15:08:48 * OccupyBoston667 (~OccupyBos@204.167.jl.g) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:08:49 Why? Oct 14 15:09:05 * OccupyBoston695 (~OccupyBos@67.159.jg.pop) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:09:06 it's pretty obvious that isn't working Oct 14 15:09:09 ctw: Keeping in-line with the cities requests as much as possible is in our best interests so as not to stir up unnecessary tention Oct 14 15:09:13 There's a bunch of voter registration going on, which I think is a good idea. Oct 14 15:09:14 How else are we going to elect Chomsky president? Oct 14 15:09:23 he wouldn't accept Oct 14 15:09:26 lol Oct 14 15:09:26 Chomsky will be dead in a few years Oct 14 15:09:38 bite your tongue! Oct 14 15:09:41 not much of a use Oct 14 15:09:43 not really Oct 14 15:09:44 how did it go today with the group of school kids who came by for a field trip? Oct 14 15:09:51 Maybe, but a dead Chomsky is worth three live Obamas Oct 14 15:09:53 Chomsky is old as shit Oct 14 15:10:05 leftyfb: what's the structure they were building last night on the other side of camp, straight across from the library tent? Oct 14 15:10:07 * bel has quit (K-Lined) Oct 14 15:10:15 Lefty is Mr. Fix It Oct 14 15:10:22 chomsky still has his wits about him Oct 14 15:10:26 Oh, hm. I didn't realize the library had moved. Oct 14 15:10:29 Chomsky is decent. Oct 14 15:10:41 Michael Parenti is a much better political commentator. Oct 14 15:10:48 Hosap, yup Oct 14 15:10:49 he's said a million times he has no interest in being a politician Oct 14 15:10:50 I sort of assumed it was one of the least likely tents to move. Oct 14 15:10:55 GenKreton: the library is right outside the media tent as of last night. The new structure on the other side of the camp near the T stop is the info tent Oct 14 15:10:59 * KeKe is now known as KeKe_away Oct 14 15:11:11 Its a shame that Michael Parenti isnt more well known. Oct 14 15:11:14 * theonlytruestyle2 (~theonlytr@017-076-586-16.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:11:19 * OccupyBoston667 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 15:11:29 He's a much better public speaker than Chomsky as well. Oct 14 15:11:37 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Severe weather tonight, Bring rain gear to GA if you are coming. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124922975987310592 Oct 14 15:11:38 Chomsky could put you to sleep. Oct 14 15:11:38 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Fox news, actually fair and balanced sometimes? #occupyboston http://t.co/Bd7oR1cp - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124923352627417088 Oct 14 15:12:11 chomsky has quite the brain and his heart is in the right place Oct 14 15:12:21 he's ok. Oct 14 15:12:36 gets a little too much credit sometimes but his work is generally good. Oct 14 15:12:36 registering people to vote seems like a confusing message Oct 14 15:12:46 Hosap: I love him. Oct 14 15:12:54 chomsky better than ok- look at the body of his work Oct 14 15:13:01 so what? Oct 14 15:13:06 he's written a lot of books Oct 14 15:13:09 thats great Oct 14 15:13:18 Why do you say that, Grammie? Oct 14 15:13:38 because that's the same system that has us in such an awful state Oct 14 15:13:43 Not to mention his work in linguistics. Oct 14 15:13:47 need a new system Oct 14 15:13:52 but the fact of the matter is that when it comes to US Foreign Policy. I'd rather read people like Michael Parenti, William Blum, etc. Oct 14 15:13:53 he's been on to the oligarch's game for a long time now Oct 14 15:13:53 Confused messages are the heart and core of what we're doing. I say we roll with it. Oct 14 15:14:03 stop blowing chomsky every1 Oct 14 15:14:07 * OccupyBoston695 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 15:14:29 he's a pussy for not being more vocal with all the research and knowledge he has Oct 14 15:14:32 * OccupyBoston523 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 15:14:55 like chomsky's assessment of US foreign policy- it's run like the mafia Oct 14 15:14:58 Grammie: he speaks all over the world at 80. Oct 14 15:15:03 * OccupyBoston69 (~OccupyBos@a-45-676-09-60.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:15:04 * hllo (~hllo@nrbs-73-071-084-002.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:15:09 hey-o Oct 14 15:15:17 So where do you think the next expansion push should be, and why? What do we do differently this time? Oct 14 15:15:30 Dallas got a good deal, will be moved to a park with facilities and then given a 60 day permit to occupy Oct 14 15:15:32 * dors (~dors@18.111.nn.ku) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:15:45 what's happening downtown? Oct 14 15:15:46 i'm jk take it eaze Oct 14 15:16:12 dallas is in trouble sunday Oct 14 15:16:13 is the march tomorrow for the whole occupyboston movement or is it an anti-war rally? Oct 14 15:16:17 I heard the unions would be there Oct 14 15:16:30 Gen, Bring,up what we talkes about at the next GA. Oct 14 15:16:41 chomsky was one of the first public figures to express solidarity with the movemnt and imagine he is honoring previous commitments, he's in demand all over the world Oct 14 15:17:00 what movement? Oct 14 15:17:11 Our movement Oct 14 15:17:15 Texas, imagine that Oct 14 15:17:17 Your movement Oct 14 15:17:18 why i sthe video feed inactive? Oct 14 15:17:19 ben lol or are you serious? Oct 14 15:17:19 like, does the march represent all the demands, or the anti-war demands Oct 14 15:17:49 When you say "the movement", it's quite ambiguous. I mean, he's been around for quite some time. Oct 14 15:18:10 MediaTent : I will be there tomorrow to help. Oct 14 15:18:53 * OccupyBostonyy6 (~OccupyBos@v-38-832-969-460.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:18:55 am personally refering to the human movement- it's how these eyes see it, you'll probably get different answers from other peeps Oct 14 15:19:07 * OccupyBoston69 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 15:19:07 * OccupyBoston69 (~OccupyBos@a-45-676-09-60.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:19:09 * OccupyBoston69 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 15:19:19 time to get out of work and head for the buddhist discussion, talk to you later friends! Oct 14 15:19:21 There have been many movements throughout history. It doesn't hurt to clarify sometimes. Oct 14 15:19:35 * OccupyBostonyy6 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 15:20:03 well this is yet another manifestation in humanity's evolution towards liberation Oct 14 15:20:17 Bye Gen, wish I xould be,there Oct 14 15:20:23 gen see ya Oct 14 15:20:35 could be, could be. Oct 14 15:20:41 The way I see this, right across the planet everybody is totally sick and tired of all the bullshit Oct 14 15:20:45 A lot of ops in this room Oct 14 15:20:57 Of course they are, Jay. Oct 14 15:21:28 remember Spartacus Oct 14 15:21:37 When you have the majority of the world's population living in complete degredation, what can you expect? Oct 14 15:22:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Occupy_Boston: Fox news, actually fair and balanced sometimes? #occupyboston http://t.co/Bd7oR1cp - http://twitter.com/taber_a/statuses/124927871159500800 Oct 14 15:22:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @delomos: I'm all for protesting but #occupyboston in cost/benefits analysis makes everyone worse off &it's a protest of luxury #fb - http://twitter.com/resistoccupy/statuses/124927889287294976 Oct 14 15:22:46 social stuctures are like buildings- not good if they're top-heavy Oct 14 15:22:58 depends who's in control Oct 14 15:23:45 ben who you pointing that at? Oct 14 15:23:47 * HelpOccupation (~HelpOccup@a-45-676-09-60.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:23:55 * dors has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 15:24:09 WHAT should I bring when I come down tonight? Oct 14 15:24:12 I was just responding to you Oct 14 15:24:17 ok Oct 14 15:24:51 contol over a top-heavy structure is kinda like piloting the Titannic Oct 14 15:24:59 HelpOccupation: http://occupyboston.wikispaces.com/Committees+Logistics Oct 14 15:25:26 anybody know who donated the Verizon 4g hotspot last night? Oct 14 15:25:53 MediaTent: Phil from media was supposed to figure that out Oct 14 15:25:59 I sent an email to the tech group about it Oct 14 15:26:20 it's been proposed to dedicate that to the livestream Oct 14 15:26:35 * Lendormi has quit (Quit: IRC Smaller, Faster, Easier.) Oct 14 15:26:44 that is the topic Oct 14 15:26:51 thanks lefty Oct 14 15:26:59 What is the gb allowance on it? Oct 14 15:27:01 but we don't have the netwrok name Oct 14 15:27:12 Tracywork2: we have no idea, but probably 5GB Oct 14 15:27:19 so yeah, we'd have to manage that Oct 14 15:27:37 * Lendormi (~Laff@237.790.31.57.rev.sfr.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:27:44 so that said, it actually might be better to get another clear 4G device donated instead Oct 14 15:27:56 I have unlimited through Sprint. 4g. When I am there. Mine can,be used. Oct 14 15:28:11 yea we neeed the MiFi Oct 14 15:28:13 Tracywork2: yeah, we need something to work when you're not there as well :) Oct 14 15:28:17 I do not mind. Oct 14 15:28:18 Hey everyone this reporter's attitude towards Occupiers was changed. It takes people a while to get it sometimes. http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/14/us/occupy-wall-street/index.html Oct 14 15:28:37 * MikeMcGee (~MikeMcGee@467-488-929-931.ptld.qwest.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:29:08 Yeah, I have,a job :) wish I could be there all the time Oct 14 15:29:21 hello all from occupy portland Oct 14 15:29:29 Me or OR? Oct 14 15:29:32 5gb is not much, but it helps Oct 14 15:29:49 OR Oct 14 15:29:50 hey mike in portland how goes it there? Oct 14 15:30:10 * gwoo (~gwoo@mumo-24-061-04-7.prvdri.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:30:18 pretty damn good actually...a bunch of people marched from the parks we're in up through downtown to protest the eviction last night Oct 14 15:30:43 so far the police are mostly leaving us alone here Oct 14 15:30:55 kudos to you for staying strong in the face of adversity Oct 14 15:31:03 We are getting donations now. Why can't we pay for our own hotspot. That is important. Oct 14 15:31:12 Tracywork2: I can propose it Oct 14 15:31:27 Yeah Portland and Mike. nice work! Oct 14 15:31:33 thanks Oct 14 15:31:37 Livestream really needs to improve. Oct 14 15:31:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: If you are thinking about donating something, We need more LARGE tarps. Thanks. Solidarity! - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124929012622573568 Oct 14 15:31:39 mike good news abouyt the "heat" too Oct 14 15:31:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @scottmlnremtp You're amazing! Thanks! - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124930173119381505 Oct 14 15:31:47 I'd be willing to pay for a few months of it, just can't fit the bill for the device cost as well at the moment Oct 14 15:31:53 i'm doing this very informally, but i've been trying to work on establishing some contacts in the other cities Oct 14 15:32:00 I will say something tomorrow morning when I go. Oct 14 15:32:14 I will also donate ;) Oct 14 15:32:43 I might also be there tomorrow Oct 14 15:32:58 :) Oct 14 15:33:18 We need another workimg group maybe. Oct 14 15:33:25 * not has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 14 15:33:26 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Concert: Garvy J - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=cmVwM2FxOHFkZjEyZHRoZmJpdWplcmZkZzggOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 14 15:33:32 do you guys not have an engineering group there? Oct 14 15:33:44 networking the movement when even done in "informally" Yours truly wanders around occaisionall in support of global movement Oct 14 15:34:08 i've been doing a lot of wandering around myself Oct 14 15:34:13 :) Oct 14 15:34:17 was at the NYC site earlier Oct 14 15:34:21 If it is HD we will go through a lot of gb Oct 14 15:34:41 ny currently the vanguard Oct 14 15:35:00 hosap, drop me a note if you want, rm.mcgee at gmail dot com Oct 14 15:35:04 MikeMcGee: what is the deal with blocking the street and stuff? Oct 14 15:35:13 * OccupyBoston082 (~OccupyBos@i79-48-903-418.kgldga.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:35:45 Mike: how is it there? Oct 14 15:35:53 in portland? there is a street between two park blocks that is kind of a main route through the city....the police requested we reopen it, the vast majority of us wanted to....a few disagreeed Oct 14 15:36:09 8 people arrested, they were out later the same afternoon, everything was pretty chill really Oct 14 15:36:23 the police are mostly leaving us alone and we have people who maintain direct contact with them Oct 14 15:37:05 whens the live feed gonna be up? Oct 14 15:37:18 thats good if you are basically left alone. i think the strength of boston has been the fact that they have a secure base. Oct 14 15:37:43 unlike Denver. Oct 14 15:37:58 the problem that's going to crop up is that not everyone in the movement is going to agree if you keep communications open with the police Oct 14 15:38:01 OccupyBoston082 -- we need a macbook first Oct 14 15:38:29 so bringing macbook pro with its camera is good? Oct 14 15:39:30 Why you need a macbook? Why not anything with a camera or usb cam? Oct 14 15:39:43 * calliope (~calliecha@50.12.ujx.ujy) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:40:07 MediaTent: I will be there tomorrow to help out. I will also jave,my Mac. Oct 14 15:40:20 In my opinion a line of commo with police is necessary at least to know what they are thinking. Oct 14 15:40:24 MediaTent: why a macbook? Oct 14 15:40:36 * CYA has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 15:40:46 * CYA (~CYA@o-80-822-945-823.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:40:52 wb cya Oct 14 15:41:09 anything of note happening right before the weekend? Oct 14 15:41:22 I have a Dell XPS running Linux. Still very fast. Will that help? Oct 14 15:41:28 OccupyBoston082 - Yes! macbook pro would help a lot Oct 14 15:41:31 well there are all those national day of action events going on tomorrow Oct 14 15:41:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @kcsolaristweets Beautiful! thanks! - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124931007479685120 Oct 14 15:41:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @haveyoumetter TY! - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124931267086135299 Oct 14 15:42:06 http://www.15october.net/ Oct 14 15:42:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @nerdosyndical: you're welcome, PBA... @cbsboston: To date, Boston police puts updated overtime cost of #OccupyBoston @ $146,189.55 - http://twitter.com/damn_it_Ethel/statuses/124932879871524864 Oct 14 15:42:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @cbsboston To date, Boston police puts updated overtime cost of #OccupyBoston @ $146,189.55 - http://twitter.com/ptminsurance/statuses/124932906794762240 Oct 14 15:42:39 The real strength of the whole movement is the fact that so many other cities are being occupied! Oct 14 15:42:58 A laptop that we can hook up our webcam to would be beautiful. ones running Linex don't work Oct 14 15:43:05 Mac or Windows Oct 14 15:43:22 * Cyris (~Cyris@m-690-60-34-347.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:43:36 I have to jet and someone else is taking over but if you have a laptop we can use for livestream please bring it to the media tent. Thanks!! Oct 14 15:43:59 is everyone just getting high at night there? Oct 14 15:44:00 if i was around boston i would Oct 14 15:44:06 hey all Oct 14 15:44:13 HelpOccupation - no Oct 14 15:44:15 hi cyris Oct 14 15:44:18 * Chris (~Chris@401-440-954-3-mvqyzqrtll.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:44:26 Hi cyris Oct 14 15:44:30 http://www.ccrjustice.org/newsroom/press-releases/center-constitutional-rights-issues-statement-of-support-occupy-wall-street Oct 14 15:44:31 * LiveStream (~LiveStrea@50.12.rzo.ju) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:44:32 check it. Oct 14 15:44:34 ok bye people Oct 14 15:44:37 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to Cyris Oct 14 15:44:38 * HelpOccupation has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 15:44:40 someone else is about to take over Oct 14 15:44:41 Hey Oct 14 15:44:44 I'm in the Media Tent Oct 14 15:44:47 LOOK AT THAT TIMING Oct 14 15:44:51 haha great timing! Oct 14 15:44:54 hahahaha Oct 14 15:45:02 finally got sleep since the arrest monday..... feels good :) Oct 14 15:45:08 MikeMcGee: how are donations going in Portland? I only ask because after seeing your site I think the Wepay app on OB's is more user friendly. Oct 14 15:45:11 so do you all always have someone from media/comm in the chat? Oct 14 15:45:28 * risciatom has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 14 15:45:30 also heard that occupy wall street won... that is greaty Oct 14 15:45:35 Live: I am coming tomorrow to help with the chat. I will be there in the morming. Oct 14 15:45:42 MikeMcGee there should be Oct 14 15:45:43 i'm not sure about donations beyond food and stuff...i will pass that info along to donations though regading the app Oct 14 15:45:45 is it possible to post that on OccupyBoston.com? Oct 14 15:45:46 http://www.ccrjustice.org/newsroom/press-releases/center-constitutional-rights-issues-statement-of-support-occupy-wall-street Oct 14 15:46:16 MediaTent are you there? Oct 14 15:46:39 hello? Oct 14 15:46:43 yes logging off Oct 14 15:46:45 hold on Oct 14 15:46:48 * LiveStream has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 15:46:49 yeah but occupydenver got booted Oct 14 15:47:01 above to Cyris Oct 14 15:47:13 hey Oct 14 15:47:16 i'm on here now Oct 14 15:47:27 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] concert- jim morrisey - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=ZjhrbzRkN3RzdjhxcWUydWtnOXNhM2g5amsgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 14 15:47:28 marxistvegan well, i hope they are planning to come back Oct 14 15:47:50 marxistveganjust because the powers that be kick them out, doesnt mean they should stop Oct 14 15:47:53 Chris: email it to occupybostonmedia@gmail.com Oct 14 15:47:56 Cyris: yo Oct 14 15:47:57 Cyris: word so far is they are going to move across the street not sure if they lost stuff Oct 14 15:48:00 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to Chris Oct 14 15:48:07 leftyfb hey duder Oct 14 15:48:26 marxistvegan good to hear Oct 14 15:48:57 * MtDew (~MtDew@lofr-17-564-9-8.meei.harvard.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:49:33 Mediatent: I will be there tomorrow morning to help,out with the chat Oct 14 15:49:35 done bye. Oct 14 15:49:37 * Shidash (~Shidash@50.12.rzo.ju) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:49:46 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to Shidash Oct 14 15:49:54 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to seekr Oct 14 15:49:56 hello Oct 14 15:50:00 * Shidash is now known as ShidashMediaTent Oct 14 15:50:12 * ShidashMediaTent is now known as Shidash_MediaTent Oct 14 15:50:30 The media tent has a floor now! Oct 14 15:50:36 Shidash_MediaTent yessir Oct 14 15:50:42 or ma'am Oct 14 15:50:42 * OccupyBoston078 (~OccupyBos@844-2-189-11.c3-6.arl-ubr5.sbo-arl.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:51:01 Shidash_MediaTent: yeah, It needs to be fixed up a bit and we need to move the pedal generators out of there Oct 14 15:51:13 leftyfb where should they go? Oct 14 15:51:23 * Cyris has quit () Oct 14 15:51:38 Have to go. Be back later. Oct 14 15:51:58 Cyris: I proposed taking my canopy down from the back of the media tent and putting it outside the media tent to the right(moving the library) and adding some tarps Oct 14 15:52:04 bbiab Oct 14 15:52:15 * Chris has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 15:52:16 * OccupyBoston078 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 15:52:26 * Caper (~Caper@d-57-43-576-75.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:52:46 Bye for now Oct 14 15:52:53 speaking of the library is that green tent getting taken down or what Oct 14 15:53:31 bye tracy Oct 14 15:53:35 hey leftyfb howd it go yesterday Oct 14 15:53:40 sorry i couldnt make it, got lost in JP Oct 14 15:53:58 marxistvegan: No. Oct 14 15:54:04 going up sunday if you need that ethernet still Oct 14 15:54:14 * Caper has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 15:54:16 or i can leave it with jimmy Oct 14 15:54:38 I think we are pretty good on internet Oct 14 15:55:01 so all tents have wifi working now>? Oct 14 15:55:08 yes Oct 14 15:55:11 Shidash: do not.hear that often :) Oct 14 15:55:14 * OccupyBoston228 (~OccupyBos@ouy1-cwa-frk-6.cisco.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:55:14 good wifi too Oct 14 15:55:18 Shidash_MediaTent: I thought that tents on the slant were not allowed Oct 14 15:55:55 marxistvegan: Some of the ones around it might have to be taken down is what I am hearing. Oct 14 15:56:03 asdf Oct 14 15:56:28 * OccupyBoston228 is now known as a Oct 14 15:56:32 * a has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 15:56:39 Shidash_MediaTent: I guess the better question to ask is why was there a new library put there Oct 14 15:57:02 Was donated yesterday Oct 14 15:57:05 * not (~notanyone@sfri-xjlj-ljns-79-11-26-398.consolidated.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:57:06 marxistvegan: The other library became the arts and culture center. Oct 14 15:57:17 oh ok Oct 14 15:57:30 * OccupyBoston156 (~OccupyBos@wylz-52-279-342-314.wrls.harvard.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 15:58:00 i'm taking off, later all Oct 14 15:58:00 * OccupyBoston156 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 15:58:20 mike take care Oct 14 15:58:22 * MtDew has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 14 15:58:25 you too Oct 14 15:58:28 later Mike! Oct 14 15:58:31 Bye for real now. Oct 14 15:58:45 * MikeMcGee has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 15:59:55 * not has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 16:00:26 Hey mediatent is there anything you may need help with that we out here in the "interwebs" could assist with? Oct 14 16:00:41 * ywwg has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) Oct 14 16:01:14 I think one great thing people can do is write local news papers and ask for coverage.. jus sayin Oct 14 16:01:29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_Massachusetts Oct 14 16:01:35 moonunitzappa: or write op-eds about what occupy means to them Oct 14 16:01:37 CYA: Publicizing the antiwar march at 1 pm from Park Street station, arriving at Dewey at 3:30. A student march is leaving at 3:30 tomorrow as well. Oct 14 16:01:40 * Cyris (~Cyris@m-690-60-34-347.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:01:48 Aside from that, I will have some stuff soon Oct 14 16:02:03 1pm tomorro? Oct 14 16:02:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @Occupy_Boston could use a donation of a vocal mic tonight or tomorrow morning, come on down to Logistics, DM us if you can! #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/MyAnonPage/statuses/124937857730215938 Oct 14 16:02:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] DEER @TheDemocrats @RNC President Lyndon B. Johnson: The War on Poverty, http://t.co/4PYUfXxO you're losing #jag #baabaa #ows #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/noyb100/statuses/124937898528219136 Oct 14 16:02:32 Occuportal, a website I am making for better communication that integrates opensource tools like a broader wiki, etherpad, liquid feedback, and wirite, should be out sometime tomorrow Oct 14 16:02:35 CYA: Yes Oct 14 16:02:44 Mediatent: I will be there tomorrow morning to help with chat and take photos of march in afternoon Oct 14 16:03:09 Tracywork2: Great :) Oct 14 16:03:42 Name is actully Tracy. See.you then Oct 14 16:04:00 got it. Oct 14 16:04:11 * krumbly (~krumbly@f-25-56-18-523.hsd2.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:04:27 * Tracywork2 has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 14 16:05:44 * TheRavenProject (~ren@doesnt.matter.what.it.is) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:06:26 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to TheRavenProject Oct 14 16:06:36 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to marxistvegan Oct 14 16:06:45 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to Cyris Oct 14 16:08:36 * OccupyBoston082 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 16:08:36 * kavita has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 16:08:37 * TheRavenProject waves to all. Oct 14 16:08:45 Still at work lefty? Oct 14 16:08:47 Shidash_MediaTent: there are tools currently being built to improve communication Oct 14 16:08:49 TheRavenProject: yep Oct 14 16:09:03 * krumbly has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 16:09:08 Shidash_MediaTent: that library tent shouldn't be on that small hill there. .. nothing should be Oct 14 16:09:13 leftyfb: Yup, I know but they are not out yet. OWS are building them, right? Oct 14 16:09:23 if it were to be moved, we'd have room to put the generators on the right side of the media tent Oct 14 16:09:25 no, it should not but it is not being taken down, afaik Oct 14 16:09:35 maybe moved but not taken down Oct 14 16:09:35 Anyone have any information on the aftermath in Denver? Are they going to reoccupy? Oct 14 16:09:54 Shidash_MediaTent: no, it was donated by a guy who runs it ... there's been rumor of him asking for donations which needs to be figured out and put to an end Oct 14 16:10:18 TheRavenProject yes they will Oct 14 16:10:24 Sweet. Oct 14 16:10:26 TheRavenProject: I keep hearing they are going to move across the street or come right back. No idea how much validity it has yet. Oct 14 16:10:43 TheRavenProject that is an important thing about the whole movement... if it gets broken up... they need to come back Oct 14 16:10:55 I tried calling KHOW this morning, they don't know anything about location. Oct 14 16:10:57 Shidash_MediaTent: the logistics tent does not have their wifi router operational yet. I'll be resolving that tomorrow Oct 14 16:11:01 leftyfb: are you talking about the library? He was only asking for donations of books I thought? Oct 14 16:11:08 moonunitzappa: I have a spool of ethernet i'll be bringing tomorrow Oct 14 16:11:15 leftyfb: Does the wireless not reach? Oct 14 16:11:23 * OccupyBoston578 (~OccupyBos@n-23-599-510-089.hsd7.nh.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:11:25 laiv: yes. And no, that shouldn't be. There is to be no commerce in the camp at all. Oct 14 16:11:32 I could take a look at that when I am off IRC tonight Oct 14 16:11:43 Shidash_MediaTent: there's too much interference for the 2 routers to talk WDS Oct 14 16:11:50 Shidash_MediaTent: I've already looked at it. Oct 14 16:11:54 ah Oct 14 16:11:58 ok cool leftyfb Oct 14 16:12:08 What kind of routers are y'all using? Oct 14 16:12:24 leftyfb how does your wife feel about going back? :) Oct 14 16:12:41 Shidash_MediaTent: I've changed channels, boosted the db output, raised both routers physically, set them to g-only and even channel 14 where 90% of devices won't be able to connect to them. There's just too much noise. I barely got some pings at one point. Oct 14 16:12:49 * OccupyBoston233 (~OccupyBos@nwlr-97-690-93-044.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:13:11 * AriaLittlhous (~AriaLittl@ihhj-50-947-48-653.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:13:17 TheRavenProject: They are WRT54GL's I donated running DD-WRT and WDS. I have given up on WDS due to the noise and will just wire the 2nd one to be an AP Oct 14 16:13:18 anyone there? Oct 14 16:13:22 AriaLittlhous: hi Oct 14 16:13:23 sure are Oct 14 16:13:38 raven someone posted a little earlier talk is Denver is going to regroup across street from first site Oct 14 16:13:40 Linksys? Those are difficult to bridge unless they have a dedicated mode. Oct 14 16:13:41 Have you commented on the Roadmap on the wiki? Oct 14 16:13:53 i wish i could come tommrow for the march, but the lady won the battle and i am now going to a wedding instead Oct 14 16:13:54 But you've got the 3rd party firmare. Oct 14 16:13:56 *firmware Oct 14 16:13:59 yes Oct 14 16:14:02 I had it working Oct 14 16:14:05 perfectly at home Oct 14 16:14:14 moonunitzappa stand up for yourself muchachos Oct 14 16:14:14 and it was even working 75% the first day I set it up Oct 14 16:14:24 hahahaha Oct 14 16:14:26 then I think people brought in all sorts of wireless hotspots and such Oct 14 16:14:50 leftyfb he unions donated some myfi's Oct 14 16:15:01 Cyris: do you know about this as well????? Oct 14 16:15:02 the Oct 14 16:15:05 we've been trying to find out about it Oct 14 16:15:08 3G hotspots have been shown to mess with signals from time to time. At work we have the mobile department right across the way, and when ever I get close to their demos I lose the signal on my tablet. Oct 14 16:15:09 leftyfb yes Oct 14 16:15:13 Folks are commenting on possible mission statements, wiki, working groups, strategic... Oct 14 16:15:13 you talking about the Verizon 4G LTE hotspot? Oct 14 16:15:18 yea Oct 14 16:15:28 Cyris: we NEED information on it ... and is there more than that? Oct 14 16:15:40 lefty I can get you info from verizon. Oct 14 16:15:40 only know of one but rumars are 2 Oct 14 16:15:44 rumors* Oct 14 16:15:50 Whatcha need? Oct 14 16:15:52 TheRavenProject: info as in, who brought it, how to get on it Oct 14 16:16:12 I own one myself, I know how to use it. But we don't have any information on it(ESSID/pass//admin access) Oct 14 16:16:28 leftyfb maybe we should research wireless donations before taking them Oct 14 16:16:33 fyi, bye Oct 14 16:16:33 Cyris: can you track down where they came from, how many, where they are and how to get on them? Oct 14 16:16:35 * AriaLittlhous has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 16:16:36 Ooh. So they took they password off the bottom? What about the inside. Oct 14 16:16:43 Cyris but i did not hookup the wifi Oct 14 16:17:06 Oh, and, there are geolocation programs can act like a compass. Oct 14 16:17:10 TheRavenProject: I haven't had time to look into it. But the passwords can be changed. I haven't had time to test out if the default still works. Good call on that one. I forgot that's how they came by default. Oct 14 16:17:28 damn, now I want to go down there tonight and help out more Oct 14 16:17:41 move the generators, run the ethernet, setup the mifi's Oct 14 16:18:01 Thing about Verizon though, effin' data caps. Oct 14 16:18:05 yeah Oct 14 16:18:08 * OccupyBoston536 (~OccupyBos@204.45.ops.wur) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:18:12 so I'm really not sure what use it will be Oct 14 16:18:19 we really need another clearwire hotspot Oct 14 16:18:39 dedicate one to livestream, the other to the camp wifi Oct 14 16:18:52 maybe keep the LTE for emergency/mobile Oct 14 16:18:54 * OccupyBoston536 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 16:19:00 oo, yeah, use the LTE for mobile Oct 14 16:19:12 * OccupyBoston233 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 16:21:04 people delivering building materials are being detained by police Oct 14 16:21:10 anyone down there? Oct 14 16:21:10 Wtf?! Oct 14 16:21:21 On what grounds? Oct 14 16:21:21 what? Oct 14 16:21:26 on twitter Oct 14 16:21:29 said that Oct 14 16:21:31 7 min ago Oct 14 16:21:50 ugh Oct 14 16:21:51 Any idea what the charges are? Oct 14 16:21:52 more drama Oct 14 16:21:54 * OccupyBoston183 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 16:21:55 no idea yet Oct 14 16:22:00 we need somone from camp on here Oct 14 16:22:06 MediaTent Oct 14 16:22:09 Shidash_MediaTent Oct 14 16:22:09 Shidash_MediaTent: you around Oct 14 16:22:12 either of you there? Oct 14 16:22:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] People are relaxing, police standing further away and no longer addressing the camp #OccupyBoston - http://twitter.com/LeFill/statuses/124942837748994049 Oct 14 16:22:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @ACLU_Mass ACLUm lawyers headed to #occupyboston right now to monitor scene - http://twitter.com/axb21/statuses/124942903289188352 Oct 14 16:22:57 ah, sorry Oct 14 16:22:59 I am here Oct 14 16:23:05 Shidash_MediaTent: any idea what's going on? Oct 14 16:23:10 So what happened was someone tried to bring a pallet into the camp Oct 14 16:23:18 * OccupyBoston935 (~OccupyBos@208.22.gk.gqz) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:23:21 we already gave pallets Oct 14 16:23:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @LeFill: @Occupy_Boston @OccupyBOS_Media need legal/NLG and cameras here now next to sign making - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124941500487450624 Oct 14 16:23:42 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: If you are near Dewey and have a smartphone, head down there pls and start snapping photos. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124941661565485056 Oct 14 16:23:43 * jproulx (~jon@fxlv.csail.mit.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:23:50 Hey, jp. :-) Oct 14 16:23:51 yesterday someone in here said they are going to donate pallets and lumber Oct 14 16:23:53 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to jproulx Oct 14 16:24:01 yup, they claimed it was a structure and we could not have anymore Oct 14 16:24:07 Howdy Oct 14 16:24:13 did he get arressted? Oct 14 16:24:16 or just talked to Oct 14 16:24:21 and they don't consider the info "tent" a structure? That thing was a bit overboard Oct 14 16:24:25 Just talked to Oct 14 16:24:28 the board walk is a structure? or something else Oct 14 16:24:40 So the Twitter post was incorrect? Oct 14 16:24:43 ASL? Oct 14 16:24:44 pallets for the board walk are structures, it sounds like Oct 14 16:24:56 OccupyBoston935: Not the place for that Oct 14 16:25:02 haha Oct 14 16:25:05 * Grumpy (~Grumpy@ilgha5.modicon.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:25:13 What did the twitter say? Oct 14 16:25:18 LOL! I'll be frank, it's been 10 years at least since someone asked that question. Oct 14 16:25:22 * CYA has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 16:25:23 OBLogistics Occ_Boston Logistics by Occupy_Boston @Occupy_Boston , people delivering building materials are being detained by police 12 minutes ago Oct 14 16:26:08 They threatened to arrest them Oct 14 16:26:12 but did not Oct 14 16:26:22 thats crazy Oct 14 16:26:35 was legal on site at the time (or now) Oct 14 16:26:36 its gonna get worse and worse each day i bet on what we can and can not have Oct 14 16:26:52 I think we're already pushing the limits Oct 14 16:27:10 just being there is pushing the limit. Oct 14 16:27:12 jproulx: They were calling for a legal observer but one did not come in time Oct 14 16:27:16 * OccupyBoston386 (~OccupyBos@196-8-00-869-pgzbmsg1g.bu.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:27:24 wasnt there a discussion at GA about where we can expand to? and did that ever go anywhere? Oct 14 16:27:25 Moonunitzappa, it seems the people are finding more and more subtle restrictions to push. What worries me is that by the time they push all the subtle restrictions in, it'll be the same at the times they tried to just shut it down. Oct 14 16:27:28 * George (~George@ilgha5.modicon.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:27:48 * George has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 16:28:22 This structure can't be up... that structures ok but it needs to be lower... etc. Oct 14 16:28:33 yea Oct 14 16:28:46 from twitter ACLUm lawyers headed to #occupyboston right now to monitor scene Oct 14 16:28:47 then itll come to not being able to have tents or laydown Oct 14 16:29:27 is there a plan to expand at all? Oct 14 16:29:38 to another location? Oct 14 16:30:01 * OccupyBoston935 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 16:30:10 I too would love to know that, think we very much need more space in some way Oct 14 16:31:16 * CYA (~CYA@o-80-822-945-823.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:31:23 yea forsure. i think the lack of space kinda makes people not want to set up camp there Oct 14 16:31:29 As far as I know we are regrouping Oct 14 16:31:34 but we are really running out of space Oct 14 16:31:39 I'm worried that the City of Columbia is being way too inviting for the occupation starting tomorrow. It makes me think that the second we get comfortable, they're gonna crack. Oct 14 16:31:43 * OccupyBoston578 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 16:32:05 So far, the cops hand delivered our marching permit and waived the fee. Which is great. Oct 14 16:32:17 thats awesome Oct 14 16:32:32 suggested the esplandade in here this morning, but peeps on ground informed me it's a no go Oct 14 16:33:34 * CYA has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 16:33:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Twitter back up. I think it was a bunch of supplies for building the structure to protect food drive donations from the rain. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124945049153843200 Oct 14 16:33:42 I've heard esplanade, common, and city hall plaza have all beeen rejected by the "powers that be" along with the second greenway site we were evicted from Oct 14 16:33:42 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: This tweeter is still unsure as to what is happening at camp. @LeFill what is going on down there? - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124945457188315136 Oct 14 16:34:45 * farmerbob (~nobody@hksf-862-4-502-35.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:34:49 i was just thinking of the esplanade Oct 14 16:34:59 would be perfect if it was an option Oct 14 16:35:08 we either need more pressure to change those political positions or we need to risk another round or arrests to take one (or we need ot keep turning people away but I reject that option) Oct 14 16:35:47 esplanade is a bit out of sight... Oct 14 16:35:55 386 yes minus potties/showers issue, lots of flat space, off to the side of city, AND high visibility Oct 14 16:35:58 Anyone consider pleading with representatives? Did y'all hear that representatives in New York threatened the owners of Zucotti Park so they'd stand down? Oct 14 16:36:15 any attempt for more camping will end in police retaliation Oct 14 16:36:27 It's not exactly that kind situation yet, but it could be an option. Oct 14 16:36:33 Grammie, yes. that is likely Oct 14 16:37:18 we could occupy a camp ground or something Oct 14 16:37:44 knowing art performances go on there any chance of contacting BSO & artisitc community to appeal on behalf of campers Oct 14 16:37:45 mikey: then you actually would just be camping not protesting Oct 14 16:37:53 and the esplanade is a little out of site from downtown but it is pretty open and in view for a pretty large area and goes right next to the commons Oct 14 16:38:01 Grammie: very insightful Oct 14 16:38:05 lol Oct 14 16:38:05 Councilor Arroyo spoke supportively at camp Oct 14 16:38:13 copley square is flat and visible. Oct 14 16:38:13 why dont we go down to city hall and demand more land? Oct 14 16:38:15 Depends on the location. You want something that's subtle enough not to draw too much attention, but prominent to make a stand at. Oct 14 16:38:40 Camp ground is just that, you change your intent if you go there. Oct 14 16:38:49 farmerbob, yes that has a lot of goodness Oct 14 16:38:51 raven that's why esplanade is good Oct 14 16:39:08 dcr will have state cops remove ppl from the esplanade Oct 14 16:39:23 * Burrito (~mexican@nxb-64-55-200-822.satx.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:39:29 * hllo has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 16:39:31 is esplanade out because we dont want it or is there a reason that it wouldnt be allowed Oct 14 16:39:58 I don't know details and have only heard second hand, but my info is it is forbidden Oct 14 16:39:59 too bad about the river, it's not diruptive to business as usual there Oct 14 16:40:13 http://www.esplanadeassociation.org/ Oct 14 16:40:14 Who are the esplanade owners? Oct 14 16:40:20 also.. the portion that goes by the commons has a big theater right there for GA Oct 14 16:40:26 not sure.. Oct 14 16:40:35 perhaps we can all donate and become members of the esplande group Oct 14 16:40:45 the esplanade is run by DCR Oct 14 16:41:16 it's state land Oct 14 16:41:20 ah Oct 14 16:41:24 i suspect bpd is more forgiving than the staties. Oct 14 16:42:08 * bergey (~dmb@209.6.h.ptk) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:42:14 the whole point though is to take a new place though without permission Oct 14 16:42:15 i say that based solely on the fact that bpd officers don't patrol in jackboots. Oct 14 16:42:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] police arresting protesters in boston right now live stream http://t.co/e6OLtQSo #ows #occupyboston #occupywallstreet #occupytogether - http://twitter.com/JaredGLuce/statuses/124948026946105344 Oct 14 16:42:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @ttoelke: #OccupyBoston Keepin' it classy - spitting on uniformed female coast guard http://t.co/l5wouEME #NotSoAwesome - http://twitter.com/nstehle/statuses/124948051889635328 Oct 14 16:42:29 sigmoid: and farmerbob any dcr land the park rangers are the ones to call the police Oct 14 16:42:32 like nobody really seemed to keep trying to take the greenway Oct 14 16:42:34 * Tracyhome (~yaaic@576-049-640-041.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:42:43 one batt;e and occupy gave up Oct 14 16:42:43 boston.com poll says we have huge support, if we try and draw on that to form a petition/letter writing campaign to lay ground work for a move/expantion it is probably better than just asking or just showing up. Oct 14 16:42:53 * Resistance has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 16:43:04 * OccupyBoston783 (~OccupyBos@uvnv-475-73-107-180.customer.veroxity.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:43:07 * JD_PGH (~Storm@cath-90-90-545-595.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:43:16 A great article published today in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11287/1182002-153-0.stm Oct 14 16:43:17 * Aargh (~Aargh@38.111.gw.w) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:43:22 jproulx not a bad notion Oct 14 16:43:24 Hi Oct 14 16:43:30 hello Oct 14 16:43:37 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @scottmlnremtp try @OBLogistics or @stephanieskier or @GiraffMatheson. COMM is (857) 246-8267. Thanks!!! - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124947403848687616 Oct 14 16:43:38 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @HerDustyBoots: @Occupy_Boston legal people are on the way, but it seems like the situation calmed down. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124947495016075264 Oct 14 16:43:38 SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP. Some people are trying to work. Some of us have jobs. Oct 14 16:43:39 * Aargh has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 16:43:48 im a hippster and i cant get a job bc i suck Oct 14 16:44:00 * risciatom (~risciatom@kvhclklth.gnu.org) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:44:07 too dirty to be hired :) Oct 14 16:44:12 really shut the fuck up i can hear you from my office Oct 14 16:44:16 783: hows your resume? Oct 14 16:44:22 * Cyris sets ban on *!*@uvnv-475-73-107-180.customer.veroxity.net Oct 14 16:44:25 * Cyris has kicked OccupyBoston783 from #occupyboston (OccupyBoston783) Oct 14 16:44:30 Did someone have a question about livestreeam? Oct 14 16:44:44 mot dealin with trolls today :) Oct 14 16:45:10 apparently not dealing with good typing either Oct 14 16:45:11 Cyris kicks it's up it's GOOD! :) Oct 14 16:45:33 * CommonCauseMass has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 16:46:13 well I gotta ge tback to my job too, just wanted to check in when I hear dabout the cop thing, that seems settled for now..stay strong! Oct 14 16:46:18 * jproulx (~jon@fxlv.csail.mit.edu) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 16:46:24 * JD_PGH (~Storm@cath-90-90-545-595.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 16:46:30 * TimFromLA (~TimFromLA@206.209.jws.s) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:46:54 Hey Occupy_Boston. In Solidarity! Oct 14 16:46:59 hey TimFromLA Oct 14 16:47:02 * Tracyhome has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 16:47:04 hey tim Oct 14 16:47:16 jproulx: good points about ground work. Oct 14 16:47:42 What's goiong on brothers and sisters? Mike Malloy was talking about you folks Oct 14 16:47:55 hey vtim Oct 14 16:47:59 * Tracyhome (~yaaic@576-049-640-041.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:48:18 Oh and Mike Malloy was mad what the BPD did Oct 14 16:48:29 sweet Oct 14 16:48:42 Hi Oct 14 16:48:43 you're getting airplay and mentions too Oct 14 16:48:54 awesome Oct 14 16:48:54 Positive of course Oct 14 16:49:01 Hey Tracyhome Oct 14 16:49:06 Tim: cool Oct 14 16:49:23 * Shidash_MediaTent has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 16:49:34 TimFromLA yea we are not mad at the BPD, we are mad at the Boston Transit Police Oct 14 16:49:42 they were the ones doing the arrests Oct 14 16:50:17 Oh Boston Transit. is that a Transit area? Oct 14 16:50:17 Cyris: did you sleep yet? Oct 14 16:50:19 seems some in the media are coming to our side as the movement endures- they're thinking the peeps really mean it Oct 14 16:50:31 Tracyhome yes finally Oct 14 16:50:42 Tracyhome i slept for 13 hours last night Oct 14 16:50:44 wait it was transit police? Oct 14 16:50:46 Good Oct 14 16:50:52 Good Oct 14 16:50:55 tranist Authority* Oct 14 16:50:57 * marxistvegan has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 14 16:51:01 yes Oct 14 16:51:01 Is that a Transit jurisdiction? Oct 14 16:51:13 how did they have jurisdiction Oct 14 16:51:27 TimFromLA dont know Oct 14 16:51:42 OccupyBoston386 In most states Peace Foficers have jurisdiction statewide Oct 14 16:52:00 Cyris: probably meet you tomorrow. Coming tomorrow morning to help with chag and take pictures of march. Oct 14 16:52:07 Chat Oct 14 16:52:11 But OccupyBoston386, most LEO won't step on other's jurisdiction out of respect Oct 14 16:52:22 i guess i need to remake a facebook now for occupy boston Oct 14 16:52:28 * laiv has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 16:52:32 need has much info and FB has a lot Oct 14 16:52:45 Tracyhome yea i will be there tomrrow Oct 14 16:52:45 TimFromLA: statewide? really? i'm used to cops having jurisdiction on a town or township and only state is statewide Oct 14 16:52:53 did not know that Oct 14 16:53:24 OccupyBoston386 that's why I said most state, it's authorized under POST (Peace Officers Standards and Training) Oct 14 16:53:41 * Tracyhome has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 14 16:53:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Any reports from the media about our silly little "let's keep our spirits up" shindig costing money- not true! They should ask first! - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124949425037647872 Oct 14 16:53:42 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Guys, we at #occupyboston are REALLY GOOD at stretching our resources. Our government could really learn from us! :D - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124950033429835776 Oct 14 16:53:52 i9 forgewrt the name of the US' anti terrorism training thing Oct 14 16:54:01 but that is why it was the BTA Oct 14 16:54:12 becasuse they are trained in dealing with big crowds Oct 14 16:54:28 hmm well i guess i wouldn't know anyway given that where i'm from there are no other officers of any kind anyway Oct 14 16:54:40 im pretty it was the bpd Oct 14 16:54:44 except SWAT Oct 14 16:54:46 there wasnt much TA cops there Oct 14 16:55:06 there weren't many TA cops there Oct 14 16:55:12 * OccupyBoston831 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 16:55:14 moonunitzappa yes there was, when it came into the acualy chains of people Oct 14 16:55:18 i say it was 50/50 Oct 14 16:55:19 Jurisdiction The MBTA Transit Police Department has jurisdiction and full police authority in all of the 175 cities and towns that comprise the MBTA service area. Outside the 175 cities and towns, the Transit Police exercises street railway police powers on the vehicles, properties and rights of way that comprise the Commuter Rail System. The Transit Police promotes safety and security throughout Greater Boston and eastern Massachusetts, working Oct 14 16:55:21 and i got arrested by a BPD for sure Oct 14 16:55:35 moonunitzappa mine was BTA Oct 14 16:55:41 too Oct 14 16:55:51 * Shidash (~Shidash@50.12.rzo.ju) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:56:00 i dont think there are that many bta cops. i think the BTA were the ones throwing out the tents Oct 14 16:56:03 your cop was kind of a dick moonunitzappa Oct 14 16:56:05 * OccupyBoston751 (~OccupyBos@w-83-05-637-681.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:56:07 haha yea he was Oct 14 16:56:14 Moonunitzappa they do have the power to arrest, but usually it's in the transit area Oct 14 16:56:17 * bergey (~dmb@209.6.h.ptk) has left #occupyboston (Killed buffer) Oct 14 16:56:33 yea but the bta are not trained for potential riots Oct 14 16:56:44 moonunitzappa yes they are Oct 14 16:56:52 they are a part of that anti terrism thing Oct 14 16:56:56 i forget the name though Oct 14 16:57:00 moonunitzappa Why not? They're Peace officers, aren't they? Oct 14 16:57:03 i had it yesterday but now its slipping Oct 14 16:57:29 OH! Homeland security Oct 14 16:57:33 thats it Oct 14 16:57:34 oh dhs haha Oct 14 16:57:41 * Tracyhome (~yaaic@576-049-640-041.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:57:49 i saw a ton of DHS trucks when i went to court Oct 14 16:57:57 BTA also Oct 14 16:58:09 i dont know why Oct 14 16:58:09 Did you Boston folks rwead this? http://www.masshightech.com/stories/2004/02/23/daily13-LocatePlus-subsidiary-wins-contract-with-Boston-office-of-FBI-anti-terror-unit.html Oct 14 16:58:23 but hardlky any BTA Oct 14 16:58:26 I heaard the camp has good wifi now. Every tent has a twitter finally. Oct 14 16:58:29 yea DHS was all over the place Oct 14 16:58:37 * OccupyBoston552 (~OccupyBos@wqlnjmf.intronis.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:58:42 * Blizzard (~Blizzard@129.63.puh.mlk) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 16:58:58 * OccupyBoston552 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 16:59:03 http://www.masshightech.com/stories/2004/02/23/daily13-LocatePlus-subsidiary-wins-contract-with-Boston-office-of-FBI-anti-terror-unit.html LocatePlus subsidiary wins contract with Boston office of FBI anti-terror unit Your state is being sold to corporations Oct 14 16:59:10 good afternoon ob Oct 14 16:59:17 just saw the thing about the esplanade Oct 14 16:59:21 that's what i've been saying all along Oct 14 16:59:25 hey uallach Oct 14 16:59:57 i really think it would be the best place Oct 14 17:00:11 the esplanade hatch would be perfect for GA Oct 14 17:00:15 yea Oct 14 17:00:17 Is there someone here who I can speak to about peaceful protest techniques? I can't make it back to Boston today. Oct 14 17:00:19 it's a state park, out of the way enough to not be a huge pain in the ass for the city, but still wicked visible from storrow and right near back bay and beacon hill which is basically where the 1% hangs out in boston. also probably more fun to camp in because it's like the woods Oct 14 17:00:20 sorry for popping out Oct 14 17:00:22 alrifg im off to write a scropt with andrew Oct 14 17:00:22 what's up moonu Oct 14 17:00:24 later all Oct 14 17:00:24 * OccupyBoston576 (~OccupyBos@q-97-134-661-106.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:00:26 * Shidash is now known as Shidash_MediaTent Oct 14 17:00:31 had to give a friend a tour Oct 14 17:00:34 * Cyris has quit () Oct 14 17:00:40 * OccupyBoston576 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 17:00:49 i'm not sure what the legality is of it being a state park Oct 14 17:00:49 Shidash: camp has good wifi now? Oct 14 17:00:55 So they dumped all your stuff too? Oct 14 17:00:57 copley square, dudes. Oct 14 17:01:00 Tracy: Yup Oct 14 17:01:06 but i think it would make it harder to fuck with us Oct 14 17:01:07 Great Oct 14 17:01:16 going by my completely uninformed hunch Oct 14 17:01:24 man. it's raining for serious. Oct 14 17:01:25 I noticed every tent has twitter now Oct 14 17:01:31 and its limitless in size Oct 14 17:01:44 moonunitzappa was DHS involed in the arrest too? Oct 14 17:01:46 * OccupyBoston088 (~OccupyBos@p-04-425-586-65.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:01:47 right Oct 14 17:01:51 as well as a 2 minute walk to the commons Oct 14 17:01:56 i don't think dhs gives out their card Oct 14 17:01:57 No not at all TimFromLA Oct 14 17:02:01 OK Oct 14 17:02:07 it's also only a 20 min walk from dewey if you cut through the common Oct 14 17:02:17 * Tracyhome has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 17:02:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Occupy_Boston: Guys, we at #occupyboston are REALLY GOOD at stretching our resources. Our government could really learn from us! :D - http://twitter.com/MyAnonPage/statuses/124952798587662336 Oct 14 17:02:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @1Wh0r3 Im headed back 2 #occupyboston now so I'm not sure what the #occupywallstreet sched is. Glad you like my updates tho. More to come! - http://twitter.com/PWeiskel08/statuses/124952888421257216 Oct 14 17:02:43 the fact that it's a state park makes it seem like it would be as illegal as camping without a permit in the lowell dracut state forest or something Oct 14 17:02:47 * OccupyBoston088 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 17:03:45 moonunitzappa do me a favor. My Twitter name is @TimFromLA if you or ANYONE see DHS or ANY federal agency making arrests, OR private security firms, please Tweet me? Oct 14 17:03:53 * siegfail (~siegfail@w-88-837-370-01.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:03:53 * Blizzard has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 17:04:02 * siegfail has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 17:04:36 sure thing TimFromLA Oct 14 17:04:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @LeFill: @Occupy_Boston all is fine. Short stand off w cops. Then stepped back, and resumed activities. Cops seem to have stepped ba ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124951086195941376 Oct 14 17:04:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @MusicAboveTheAv my guess would be that you should just come on down and do your thing. You don't need permission. @occupybostonmus - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124953226444419072 Oct 14 17:04:41 also anyone from LOGISTICS here? Oct 14 17:05:03 moonunitzappa two reasons: I do not want MY taxes to pay for a state arrest NOR do I want tax money to pay for a private corporation. Oct 14 17:05:12 if you are can you join #OBLOGISTICS Oct 14 17:05:30 yea, im sure they wont get DHS involved Oct 14 17:05:38 well i hope not Oct 14 17:06:22 i don't think the dhs actually makes arrests Oct 14 17:06:41 I am not from logistics but I am on site Oct 14 17:06:50 What do you need? Oct 14 17:06:52 moonunitzappa OK on #OBLOGISTICS and public citizens arrest can be challenged in court, but you do have private security firms patrolling the streets Oct 14 17:07:02 although i'm sure they are watching us and advising local pd Oct 14 17:07:05 talk to blizzard in #oblogistics Shidash_MediaTent Oct 14 17:07:21 * Tracyhome (~yaaic@576-049-640-041.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:08:14 Can¿ T be there tonight. Oct 14 17:08:30 * GeoBos has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 14 17:08:59 * Tracyhome has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 17:09:12 80% of your medical supplies were destroyed? Oct 14 17:09:31 TimFromLA: Nowhere near 80% Oct 14 17:09:37 Shidash_MediaTent i hope all is keeping well and dry...I'm north of boston in lowell, and it's a mad downpour right now. I hope your weather is a bit drier then here. I hope everyone can find a dry place to hunker down in...we don't need anyone sick. Oct 14 17:10:24 Shidash_MediaTent OK, I just saw the twitter feed at #OBLOGISTICS Oct 14 17:10:32 * guest-en (~guest-en@65.49.xt.xk) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:10:38 Nigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigge Oct 14 17:10:40 Nigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigge Oct 14 17:10:42 Nigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigge Oct 14 17:10:45 Nigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigge Oct 14 17:10:45 * moonunitzappa has kicked guest-en from #occupyboston (guest-en) Oct 14 17:10:48 dude that's my favorite song Oct 14 17:11:09 * Amtech (~Techam@72.240.kg.nth) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:11:18 Dumbass Oct 14 17:11:23 excuse me? Oct 14 17:11:24 haha Oct 14 17:11:52 im a dumbass why? Oct 14 17:11:56 moonunitzappa You should ban em and then post their I.P. address ;) Oct 14 17:11:59 not you Amtech Oct 14 17:12:02 Not you amtech Oct 14 17:12:06 Read above Oct 14 17:12:07 oh Oct 14 17:12:07 you came in just as a spammer was kicked out Oct 14 17:12:12 Guest-EN Oct 14 17:12:13 ok Oct 14 17:12:16 * leftyfb sets ban on *!*@65.49.xt.xk Oct 14 17:12:37 * Alarm (~Alarm@65.49.qu.gq) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:12:40 Not you and i apologize :P Oct 14 17:12:42 Nigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Fagg Oct 14 17:12:43 Nigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Fagg Oct 14 17:12:45 Nigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Fagg Oct 14 17:12:46 * leftyfb sets ban on *!*@65.49.qu.gq Oct 14 17:12:46 * leftyfb has kicked Alarm from #occupyboston (Alarm) Oct 14 17:12:47 Ban them Oct 14 17:13:01 That Amtech Oct 14 17:13:04 They obviously have a proxy or vpn lol Oct 14 17:13:18 Dumbasses Oct 14 17:13:26 hey what's alarm have against beekeepers? :) Oct 14 17:13:37 Or make us req to sign in Oct 14 17:13:45 * adna (~dana@u-85-80-165-14.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:13:50 * Ratat (~Ratat@65.49.zx.lu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:13:54 Nigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Fagg Oct 14 17:13:55 * leftyfb sets ban on *!*@65.49.zx.lu Oct 14 17:13:55 * leftyfb has kicked Ratat from #occupyboston (Ratat) Oct 14 17:14:01 * Shidash_MediaTent has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 14 17:14:20 Tehre's no way to ban that I.P.? Oct 14 17:14:25 yea Oct 14 17:14:25 er there's Oct 14 17:14:27 it's not 1 ip Oct 14 17:14:31 but if they are using a vpn Oct 14 17:14:35 then its a ton of ips Oct 14 17:14:36 he keeps changing it Oct 14 17:14:37 or tor Oct 14 17:14:37 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @MusicAboveTheAv awesome! I'm sure we will be inspired right back. Can't wait to meet you! @occupybostonmus - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124955998732554241 Oct 14 17:14:37 they can access Oct 14 17:15:03 Or O.B. can req a password. iw ouldn't mind Oct 14 17:15:05 keep up the good work leftyfb and moonunitzappa :) keep them spammers banned Oct 14 17:15:27 TimFromLA: we don't want to make it harder for the public to join here Oct 14 17:15:29 * Test (~Test@65.49.kn.jh) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:15:32 Nigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggot Oct 14 17:15:34 Nigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger 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#occupyboston (Test) Oct 14 17:15:44 gonna be just like yesterday Oct 14 17:15:52 I'm about to fix it a bit Oct 14 17:15:55 aleast they are not spamming DCC again Oct 14 17:16:00 Leftyfb but with morons like these, it'll detract from the goal of communicating Oct 14 17:16:03 there should be a bot that automatically kicks spammers like that Oct 14 17:16:05 * guest-en (~guest-en@65.49.rh.ty) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:16:08 Nigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigge Oct 14 17:16:09 Nigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee KeeperNigger Faggots Bee 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WTF!? Oct 14 17:16:33 it's almost refreshing to see them still exist Oct 14 17:16:37 haha Oct 14 17:16:56 Well I detest the "N" or "F" word and bee keepers? Oct 14 17:17:00 haz lol Oct 14 17:17:03 free the bees, man Oct 14 17:17:06 they shall not be kept Oct 14 17:17:08 google r3x bee keeper Oct 14 17:17:12 its an anonymous joke Oct 14 17:17:18 uall lol Oct 14 17:17:24 * Amtech shrugs Oct 14 17:17:44 Duh. Everybody knows there's no such thing as bee keepers anymore. Hasn't he heard of Colony Collapse?? :-P Oct 14 17:17:46 Amtech now you know why I typed Dumbass? ;) Oct 14 17:18:04 bees are struggling like us Oct 14 17:18:09 * Tracyhome (~yaaic@576-049-640-041.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:18:17 hazard prolly got stung in the ass one too many times Oct 14 17:18:29 * OccupyBoston623 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 17:18:40 lol Oct 14 17:18:44 1 queen 99 worker bees Oct 14 17:18:47 TimFromLA: Heh. I watched "One Way Out" last night, and the jackass was getting stung on purpose. It was painful to watch. Oct 14 17:19:06 no control over the means of honey production Oct 14 17:19:06 Poor bees Oct 14 17:19:10 uall the drones Oct 14 17:19:47 We are drones, but unlike a true bee colony, it's not democratic Oct 14 17:19:50 * sillyme (~sill@j877548.upc-h.chello.nl) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:19:52 * BathTime (~BathTime@t-73-09-745-239.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:19:56 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to crispusattucks Oct 14 17:20:03 test time I think Oct 14 17:20:10 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@*22-379-67-646.bos.east.verizon.net Oct 14 17:20:10 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net Oct 14 17:20:10 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*OccupyBos@*.hsd7.ma.comcast.net Oct 14 17:20:10 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@nsr-00-052-560-981.maine.res.rr.com Oct 14 17:20:11 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@rsgg-80-166-721-676.worldpath.net Oct 14 17:20:11 * crispusattucks removes ban on jj-!*@* Oct 14 17:20:11 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@redv-08l.noisetor.net Oct 14 17:20:11 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*flab1@wqrrlz.torservers.net Oct 14 17:20:12 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*nlarqa@hohatfe.it Oct 14 17:20:12 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@ajrhdkh.torservers.net Oct 14 17:20:12 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*OccupyBos@yriqjl-12-254-45-575.bstnma.fios.verizon.net Oct 14 17:20:12 * crispusattucks removes ban on faggot!*@* Oct 14 17:20:13 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*ren@ajrhdkh.torservers.net Oct 14 17:20:13 * crispusattucks removes ban on oxen!*@* Oct 14 17:20:13 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*OccupyBos@ajrhdkh.torservers.net Oct 14 17:20:13 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@204.116.gu.liz Oct 14 17:20:16 * crispusattucks removes ban on lgoot!*@* Oct 14 17:20:16 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*kkzj@bzm.desire.se Oct 14 17:20:16 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@ifreoos.torservers.net Oct 14 17:20:16 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*Balla@zuom-84a.noisetor.net Oct 14 17:20:18 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*jojo@zuom-84a.noisetor.net Oct 14 17:20:18 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*Adolfo@zuom-84a.noisetor.net Oct 14 17:20:18 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*James@zuom-84a.noisetor.net Oct 14 17:20:18 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@*.formlessnetworking.net Oct 14 17:20:20 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@rapauj.torservers.net Oct 14 17:20:20 * crispusattucks removes ban on cenjmq!*@* Oct 14 17:20:20 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@hffdqlcjgteda.torservers.net Oct 14 17:20:20 * crispusattucks removes ban on corneliu!*@* Oct 14 17:20:21 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@woxj-39v.noisetor.net Oct 14 17:20:21 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@sys-sghy-itqvdt-5mz7.kromyon.net Oct 14 17:20:21 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@apcm-367-469-03-101.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net Oct 14 17:20:21 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@cfkj-08o.noisetor.net Oct 14 17:20:22 ok, not what I wanted to happen, but no biggie Oct 14 17:20:24 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@209.104.llq.gwi Oct 14 17:20:24 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@tllfxnbnpheutn.torservers.net Oct 14 17:20:24 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@46.105.yr.ij Oct 14 17:20:24 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@hu457-06-995-097.br.br.cox.net Oct 14 17:20:26 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@pvji-337-64-211-112.bstnma.fios.verizon.net Oct 14 17:20:26 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@96.237.ysq.igr Oct 14 17:20:26 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@x-74-12-124-684.hsd5.ma.comcast.net Oct 14 17:20:26 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@aym-1116rqlj.dyn.optonline.net Oct 14 17:20:28 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@mqn-40-138-98-26.hot.res.rr.com Oct 14 17:20:28 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*RussianAg@*.hot.res.rr.com Oct 14 17:20:28 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@199.242.p.gi Oct 14 17:20:28 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@15-287-15-931-cgmqevwdfu.hfc.comcastbusiness.net Oct 14 17:20:29 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*marxistGF@*.customer.veroxity.net Oct 14 17:20:29 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@y-88-319-282-246.hsd8.ma.comcast.net Oct 14 17:20:29 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@208.51.pow.vs Oct 14 17:20:41 poop Oct 14 17:20:46 its raining Oct 14 17:20:47 * moonunitzappa has quit (Quit: Leaving.) Oct 14 17:20:51 real concern about diminishing bee population- they account for one-third of cross pollenation of plants Oct 14 17:20:52 Wait Oct 14 17:20:58 leftyfb Oct 14 17:21:01 what were you trying to do Oct 14 17:21:03 Media: when is it not raining? Oct 14 17:21:09 * TarenCapel (~TarenCape@108.117.xpo.mpt) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:21:16 rehi Oct 14 17:21:18 :) Oct 14 17:21:26 Amtech: that was just the bot removing bans. I can clean that up later Oct 14 17:21:34 Amtech: I tried googling r3x beekeeper, and the only thing that was even remotely relevant was an Encyclopedia Dramatica entry, which really didn't make much sense. Oct 14 17:21:35 * moonunitzappa (~moonunit@f-38-801-938-52.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:21:38 Amtech: not related to what I added to it Oct 14 17:21:39 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to moonunitzappa Oct 14 17:22:00 sillyme: welcome Oct 14 17:22:09 A lot of ops Oct 14 17:22:24 * OccupyBoston262 (~OccupyBos@233.sub-34-969-882.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:22:36 yup, to help manage the trolls/spammers Oct 14 17:22:39 hazard the ED ones never do lol Oct 14 17:23:01 Amtech: ANy other suggestions what I should be looking for to understand the beekeeper "slur"? Oct 14 17:23:01 Yeah, lits of them. Oct 14 17:23:06 Hold on Oct 14 17:23:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #OccupyDC: 'We need millions of people more' http://t.co/4bCK6uO1 #OWS #OccupyBoston #OccupyPortland #OccupyAtlanta #OccupyCleveland #USDOR - http://twitter.com/The__Forest/statuses/124957609022337024 Oct 14 17:23:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #badbait U don't know what they want but they're the losers #flawedlogic #badextraction | #ows #occupyboston #bo #jag #baabaa #oinkoink - http://twitter.com/noyb100/statuses/124957802442657792 Oct 14 17:23:46 boston looks like the tail-end of a band of showers passing over you now Oct 14 17:23:59 OUt of curiousity, am I the only person left that thinks saying "the N word" or "the F word" or similar things, is silly? Oct 14 17:24:00 don't expect some 4chan debris to make sense Oct 14 17:24:10 sholud catch a break in a while Oct 14 17:24:32 no go ahead hazard say the n word as you please see how ppl react Oct 14 17:24:47 I mean, saying "he called me a nigger" is not like calling somebody one. And since everybody knows what you mean when you say "N word" it's not much different than saying it outright. Oct 14 17:24:53 haz many times swearing indicates a limited vocabulary Oct 14 17:24:54 http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/R3x Oct 14 17:25:08 hosap: Grammie: You both missed my point, I think. Oct 14 17:25:30 I mean the actual phrase "the N word" Oct 14 17:25:37 agree with you hazard Oct 14 17:25:51 i've never actually called it "the n word" Oct 14 17:25:58 gross Oct 14 17:26:01 its bad to call someone it not bad to talk about it Oct 14 17:26:16 id like to donate what are we looking for? Oct 14 17:26:20 go say the n word in the middle of dorchester Oct 14 17:26:23 OccupyBoston386: That's always been my opinion, but I still consistently make an effort to understand the other reasoning. Oct 14 17:26:32 haz personally don't touch out of respect for african-americans and their history here Oct 14 17:26:38 Please no racism Oct 14 17:26:42 I have no problem with the word "Jap" if it's sued in context. But say it in my face... Oct 14 17:26:44 obvs Oct 14 17:26:46 i'm about to kick people out Oct 14 17:26:46 you don't get it grammie Oct 14 17:26:53 stop this discussion and bring it to another channel Oct 14 17:26:54 I have no problem with the word "Jap" if it's used in context. But say it in my face... Oct 14 17:26:55 please Oct 14 17:26:56 its not ok to say Oct 14 17:27:00 hosap: I see that, and agree it's hateful to call somebody "nigger" Oct 14 17:27:01 wrong forum anyway Oct 14 17:27:01 We will not tolerate this Oct 14 17:27:14 * OccupyBoston878 (~OccupyBos@192.138.mhw.xks) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:27:17 Please ban Oct 14 17:27:28 um, no one said anything racist. Oct 14 17:27:28 We cannot say it, we are the 99% Oct 14 17:27:38 * Grammie has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 17:27:38 except the troll Oct 14 17:27:38 * jguy99 (~jdoods@xlpu-981-08-959-092.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:27:39 PErfect example of my point, thank you. Oct 14 17:27:56 It's a discussion of vocabulary, and suddenly I"m a racist. Oct 14 17:28:00 hey would there be any room for another tent or two this weekend? Oct 14 17:28:05 this discussion sprung out of the bigoted spam Oct 14 17:28:13 * BathTime has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 17:28:14 i don't call people that nor do i talk about it but if you're talking about the word you can say it Oct 14 17:28:19 hazard no, but wouldn't it be better to not say it from here on out? Oct 14 17:28:28 lets end the discussion. It's a touchy subject which won't lead to anything beneficial. Oct 14 17:28:35 and there are thousands of offensive words but only those two are referred to like that Oct 14 17:28:36 TimFromLA: That's exactly my point. I think that thought process is silly, and counterproductive. Oct 14 17:28:37 i'd like to help,what are we looking for? Oct 14 17:28:41 lets end the discussion. It's a touchy subject which won't lead to anything beneficial. Oct 14 17:28:46 it's kind of a silly discussion because we're basically in the kitchen cooking up some delicious troll food but it's not racist Oct 14 17:28:46 Please Oct 14 17:28:49 thus Hazard, it is fin Oct 14 17:28:49 OccupyBoston262: just a sec .. i'll get the link Oct 14 17:29:03 ty Oct 14 17:29:07 OccupyBoston262: http://occupyboston.wikispaces.com/Committees+Logistics Oct 14 17:29:23 that was from Wednesday Oct 14 17:29:44 And, to be quite honest, I'm rathr shocked that a group of purportedly "open minded" people is so bent out of shape as to threaten to ban me for it. Oct 14 17:29:47 Rain:( Oct 14 17:30:00 Rather disappointed, if I"m honest. Oct 14 17:30:12 hazard: you're not getting banned. Nothing was done wrong. It's just a subject that has no beneficial end Oct 14 17:30:28 Hazard: just will not lead to anything positive Oct 14 17:30:39 we are all living the karma of the spam- part of the reason it's dumped in here in the first place Oct 14 17:30:40 leftyfb: I realize I haven't been banned, but it was suggested, and I com[pletely disagree that it has no beneficial end. Oct 14 17:31:00 It really isn't very relevant to our overall goal. Oct 14 17:31:22 tracy radar looks like you'll catch a break soon Oct 14 17:31:53 it is interesting how the signifier stays the same while what is being signified can change Oct 14 17:32:04 On my way to NH. Stuck on the.parking.lot known as.93 Oct 14 17:32:09 perhaps we should discuss saussure instead Oct 14 17:32:21 :) Oct 14 17:32:32 leftyfb: That's ok. I think I'll be excusing myself from the rest of the event anyway. I don't see how people who can't even allow for open discussion are ever going to reach a common goal. Oct 14 17:32:35 there's always the weather :) Oct 14 17:33:01 Or Adorno Oct 14 17:33:13 hazard: In here, at the moment, that particular open discussion wasn't going to end well. Too many people are offended even by the discussion. Oct 14 17:33:28 haz realize you were bringing up the issue of language and its meaning Oct 14 17:33:54 one thing I realized is that this place like OWSLos Angeles have rules and regulations. They can censor me for no apparent reasons. Why? Because this is a private chat room and the 1st Amendment does not apply here. So if I want to remain in any chatroom, I just keep my mouth shut and my pride at the door Oct 14 17:34:06 but certain words are dictionary dynamite Oct 14 17:34:13 hosap: Actually, it was more about our interaction with each other, and how easily we take offense without even considering what somebody is saying. WHich makes it apparent how little chance there is of this group ever reaching a consensu on anything. Oct 14 17:34:38 hazard one thing I realized is that this place like OWSLos Angeles have rules and regulations. They can censor me for no apparent reasons. Why? Because this is a private chat room and the 1st Amendment does not apply here. So if I want to remain in any chatroom, I just keep my mouth shut and my pride at the door Oct 14 17:34:52 a lexicographical landmine even Oct 14 17:34:54 TimFromLA: the only censoring in here is for spammers and trolls ... people hell-bent on disrupting the overall goal and causing problems Oct 14 17:35:34 there's censoring and then there's keeping the place free from people who have no business being here. Oct 14 17:35:36 Haz: It rwally is no big deal. Oct 14 17:35:45 spamming is not free speech Oct 14 17:35:46 leftyfb Oh I know, but you being a mod are not under any obligation to keep me or ANYONE in this room and the 1st Amendment does not apply Oct 14 17:35:51 Meh. Whatever the "reasoning" is, my disappointment is great enough to distance myself from you people. Good day. Oct 14 17:35:51 being a troll is not welcome by anyone Oct 14 17:36:03 haz understand your point now but don't be discouraged by a word- keep the big picture in mind Oct 14 17:36:10 Good day Hazard ;) Oct 14 17:36:14 * hazard (~hazard@eyxu-79-30-207-36.nys.biz.rr.com) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 17:36:18 TimFromLA: I have a self-obligation to keep with 1st Amendment rights Oct 14 17:36:30 I know it doesn't mean much, but there it is Oct 14 17:36:48 Leftyfb yes you do but on my part, I know I can be banned Oct 14 17:37:10 Anmd I accept it coming in Oct 14 17:37:15 I do not.think he.meant harm, but it was not going anywhere. Oct 14 17:37:18 lots of things CAN happen in this world, but knowing that you are not here to spam or cause problems, you won't be banned. Oct 14 17:37:21 i think we can all agree that louis ck is funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF1NUposXVQ Oct 14 17:37:23 * hazard (~hazard@eyxu-79-30-207-36.nys.biz.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:37:29 Tracyhome I understand Oct 14 17:37:40 Amtech: I forgot to wait for the link you were getting about "bee keeper" Oct 14 17:37:45 Wb Hazard Oct 14 17:37:48 haz glad you came back Oct 14 17:37:52 Tracyhome: Not staying. Just here for the link. Oct 14 17:37:54 * OccupyBoston878 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 17:37:56 wb Hazard Oct 14 17:38:18 * TheRavenProject has quit (Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by ProjectAeternum!~AndChat@110.sub-145-770-116.myvzw.com))) Oct 14 17:38:23 haz will you come back again? Oct 14 17:38:44 * ren_ (~ren@tjz-426-668-445-486.sc.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:38:49 hosap: No. I'm just here because my curiosity will keep bothering me if I don't find out about "bee keeper" Oct 14 17:38:52 Protesters to #OccupyLondon Stock Exchange >> http://anonops.blogspot.com/2011/10/protesters-to-occupylondon-stock.html We are spreading!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Oct 14 17:38:56 * TheRavenProject (~AndChat@doesnt.matter.what.it.is) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:38:58 lol Oct 14 17:39:17 sad for yournon-return though Oct 14 17:39:20 Finally got it to work. Oct 14 17:39:34 hosap: No worries. I'mj not that great. You guys won't be missing much. Oct 14 17:39:56 haz you're equall to any of us Oct 14 17:40:38 hosap: Nah. I don't think so. True colors have been revealed, and it's important to me that I don't be associated with those sorts of people. Oct 14 17:40:59 Haz: not that serious Oct 14 17:41:09 hope you'll find forgiveness Oct 14 17:41:22 Hey, Tracy. How's it going up there? Oct 14 17:41:24 I was upset the other day and came back Oct 14 17:41:42 Rave: not at camp :( Oct 14 17:41:55 Ok, how abou we give up the topic of my departure? Oct 14 17:42:01 Ah. You alright? Oct 14 17:42:17 Yes, be back tomorrow morning:) Oct 14 17:42:23 haz sure Oct 14 17:42:39 is it raining at the camp Oct 14 17:42:43 Hazard: Y U NO STAY WITH US? Oct 14 17:42:48 Amtech seems to have disappeared, does somebody else know about the "bee keeper" slur? Oct 14 17:42:51 Haz: we Oct 14 17:43:04 maybe it's a "hipster" reference? Oct 14 17:43:09 Start from.here. Forget about.it Oct 14 17:43:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] If yr MO is Smear-By-Association, I hv little sympathy if it comes back atcha. Nvr too late to chg yr own ways tho. #mapoli #OccupyBoston - http://twitter.com/harmonywho/statuses/124963362160386049 Oct 14 17:43:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @daviday bring it down to #occupyboston ! Maybe we can put some anons to work to save your laptop. - http://twitter.com/caulkthewagon/statuses/124963389796659200 Oct 14 17:44:12 93 North is awful Oct 14 17:44:29 I know it is not relevant Oct 14 17:44:40 hazard: I try not to dig too deep into their content Oct 14 17:44:42 Alright, I guess that's a no. For those I made friends with, you can find me under this nick on geek networks. Oct 14 17:44:52 * hazard (~hazard@eyxu-79-30-207-36.nys.biz.rr.com) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 17:45:07 * TheRavenProject needs to go get a sleeping bag. Oct 14 17:45:22 Have to get out of bed first, though.... Oct 14 17:45:52 this is an outrage Oct 14 17:46:06 ? Oct 14 17:46:14 Your face is an outrage... >_> (jk) Oct 14 17:46:27 Hazard Oct 14 17:46:30 Sorry, couldn't resist. Oct 14 17:46:36 What? Oct 14 17:46:37 Tim, haz is gone Oct 14 17:46:54 http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/R3x Here is what Haz was talking about Oct 14 17:47:17 tim haz has departed for good :( Oct 14 17:47:23 Too bad Oct 14 17:47:26 he'll be back Oct 14 17:47:39 I feel bad Oct 14 17:47:45 We didn't censor Oct 14 17:47:56 tim see Haz's last post just above Oct 14 17:48:26 It is my fault Oct 14 17:48:41 Hosap I won't stalk him Oct 14 17:48:48 Tracyhome no it's mine Oct 14 17:49:14 lefty glad your confident- it seemed such a small point to depart over Oct 14 17:49:21 hazard one thing I realized is that this place like OWSLos Angeles have rules and regulations. They can censor me for no apparent reasons. Why? Because this is a private chat room and the 1st Amendment does not apply here. So if I want to remain in any chatroom, I just keep my mouth shut and my pride at the door Oct 14 17:49:37 tracy and tim it wasn't either of your faults Oct 14 17:49:47 haha i remember r3x from 888chan Oct 14 17:49:51 * OccupyBoston751 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 17:49:52 TimFromLA: you've already said that, hazard isn't here anymore and I responded to that statement Oct 14 17:50:10 Leftyfb it was for Tracyhome Oct 14 17:50:47 I don't want anyone feeling their 1st Amendment rights are removed from being in this channel. Oct 14 17:50:56 I didn't know how to respond appropriately, so I responded how I see things Oct 14 17:51:03 lefty excellent point Oct 14 17:51:11 Let us just forget it now Oct 14 17:51:17 * OccupyBoston898 (~OccupyBos@b86-089-151-101.net-htp.de) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:51:22 Yup Tracyhome Oct 14 17:51:23 tim it's all any of us can do Oct 14 17:51:31 tracy roger Oct 14 17:51:40 1.3 trillion deficit was just reported for this year's tax loss in the USA. I guess we will just borrow more money from china. Oct 14 17:51:48 with that, I need to head home and spend a nice, quiet evening with my wife Oct 14 17:51:49 * TheRavenProject nods* No big deal, bigger issues to deal with. Oct 14 17:51:54 Hey, tracyhome does the name Nora Kuzma mean anything to you? Oct 14 17:52:05 Enjoy, leftyfb Oct 14 17:52:05 lefty good night Oct 14 17:52:17 * OccupyBoston898 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 17:52:22 Go for it Leftyfb Oct 14 17:52:27 Tim: no Oct 14 17:52:36 * farmerbob (~nobody@hksf-862-4-502-35.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 17:52:40 fwrgit it Oct 14 17:52:45 fergit it Oct 14 17:52:48 By lefty, see you tomorrow Oct 14 17:53:03 BRB, time to damage my lungs Oct 14 17:53:06 tim, why? Oct 14 17:53:18 No, I was just wondering Oct 14 17:53:23 BRB Oct 14 17:53:30 And I gotta potty too BRB Oct 14 17:54:32 whats the protocall for deliveries of supplies to the occupy boston site?just pull up?is the list updated between now,and sat.am?///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Oct 14 17:54:42 * OccupyBoston930 (~OccupyBos@129.10.jv.quy) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:54:49 Yea 262 Oct 14 17:55:03 just pull up put on your hazards and drop them off Oct 14 17:55:05 i have a very bad feeling about this. if some troublemakers infiltrate the tents and start a fight with the police, what is going to happen? Oct 14 17:55:24 ty zap Oct 14 17:55:28 The police will kick all of our asses Oct 14 17:56:01 When we gett out of the hospital, we come right back Oct 14 17:56:23 expect the worst and hope for the best- Dalai Lama Oct 14 17:56:28 Lather, rinse, repeat Oct 14 17:56:50 They are waiting for the first sign of violence towards cops. They would shut us down right away impretty sure Oct 14 17:57:02 Then we come back Oct 14 17:57:07 * Tracyhome has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 14 17:57:48 Question: At the GA last night someone said there would be a benifit for us at the Midway Cafe, does anyone remeber what day that was? Oct 14 17:58:00 good to be concerned about worst case scenarios, but don't let it inhibit you from right action Oct 14 17:58:01 if troublemakers infiltrate the camp to start fights with cops, the troublemakers are probably cops... Oct 14 17:58:04 Nobody should be under any illusions- they can clear the entire area in about 4 minutes with tear gas. But we just have to come right back Oct 14 17:58:26 see also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce5GZQbb1pQ Oct 14 17:58:43 * rydyc (~gene@m-61-872-791-771.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:58:55 I just emailed everybody at JAMN 94.5 and suggested they broadcast live for a day Oct 14 17:59:21 * OccupyBoston227 (~OccupyBos@g-13-26-69-811.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:59:23 * gene has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 17:59:35 * OccupyBoston227 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 17:59:39 * OccupyBoston147 (~OccupyBos@07-99-9-83.war.clearwire-wmx.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 17:59:43 * OccupyBoston147 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 18:00:24 shoes have been known to be "tells" with provocateurs Oct 14 18:00:48 * Grumpy has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 18:01:03 * Amtech has quit () Oct 14 18:01:21 Moon, can you move me back up there? :P Oct 14 18:02:38 * rydyc has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 18:02:45 * moonunitzappa gives channel operator status to TheRavenProject Oct 14 18:03:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #OccupyBoston has grown so much in the past week. Crazy sauce. - http://twitter.com/michellelynking/statuses/124968201028255744 Oct 14 18:03:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @SmedleyVFP as someone behind you folks at #OccupyBoston Monday night I think all thanks should flow in your direction. Thank You All. - http://twitter.com/jon_proulx/statuses/124968255382241281 Oct 14 18:03:55 I'm so proud of myself - I scored four long tables and about a dozen chair-sized spools. I'm waiting to hear back from any of the 10 hotels I called about blankets, and if I don't hear from them I'll fill the rest of the van with pallets and head down Oct 14 18:04:06 Reports came out saying "US Government owes 64 trillion in future payments for social security, medicare and medicaid" If the USA had to borrow another 1.3 trillion this year alone, what does this say about our government? Oct 14 18:04:51 good job jay. Oct 14 18:05:26 that videos fucked Oct 14 18:05:55 visit Madison WI say hello http://www.livestream.com/occupymadison Oct 14 18:06:28 kyuss Oct 14 18:06:51 free thanks for link Oct 14 18:07:22 yqw - I'm searching and spreading support as I find them. Oct 14 18:08:04 nothing worse than having a channel and not knowing if anyone supports Oct 14 18:08:52 keeping everything nonviolent also does a good job of making undercover copsous Oct 14 18:08:55 er, obvious Oct 14 18:10:04 Anyone want to form a group to visit other occupies and say hello? Oct 14 18:10:25 * OccupyBoston262 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 18:10:47 * CYA (~CYA@o-80-822-945-823.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 18:10:59 i have a really bad feeling about this. deep down, i feel like bad news is going to hit us. Oct 14 18:12:03 Here's an outrageous factoid: Real data is hard to come by, but at any given moment there are about 850,000 homeless people in America. There are about 16 million homes that have been abandoned or foreclosed on. That's 20 homes for every homeless person, and nothing between the two except banks. on Oct 14 18:12:11 it's raining Oct 14 18:12:20 still Oct 14 18:12:24 * TheRavenProject is now known as TheRavenProject|Away Oct 14 18:13:07 * ZanzibarMan (~ZanzibarM@ezry-951-59-26-71.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 18:13:12 hello Oct 14 18:13:55 * TarenCapel has quit (Quit: TarenCapel) Oct 14 18:14:03 i am going to stay up all night on watch. Oct 14 18:14:41 * ZanzibarMan has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 18:14:55 Mulder is alive! Oct 14 18:14:56 * ZanzibarMan (~ZanzibarM@ezry-951-59-26-71.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 18:14:58 * theonlytruestyle2 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 14 18:14:59 http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/05/opinion/rushkoff-occupy-wall-street/index.html Oct 14 18:15:15 Fight the future Oct 14 18:16:44 * adna has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) Oct 14 18:17:09 that rain sucked for a bit Oct 14 18:17:22 the weird thing about foreclosure is its so bad right now that the banks actually are willing to overlook non payment just so you'll keep paying Oct 14 18:17:23 anyone know why that guy was arrested? Oct 14 18:17:32 * OccupyEverything (~OccupyEve@q-07-99-965-020.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 18:17:47 I was in the buddhist discussion when people were yelling for legal to film the arrest Oct 14 18:17:52 never heard what he did Oct 14 18:18:56 Anybody here fluent in Spanish? Oct 14 18:19:31 yes. Oct 14 18:19:41 Awesome Oct 14 18:19:57 estoy listo. Oct 14 18:20:14 Just got home from Dewey Square, stay strong guys, be back soon Oct 14 18:20:25 Can you call some of the Latino radio stations and convince them to broadcast live from South Station? Oct 14 18:21:14 can you tell me which station and preferred time of live broadcast? you mean right now? Oct 14 18:21:16 TThe sooner this protest gets some color, the better Oct 14 18:21:31 so, tomorrow is okay at noon? Oct 14 18:21:36 jay absolutely agree Oct 14 18:22:02 Back Oct 14 18:22:03 I have no idea which stations, but some of them ought to set up a briadcast tent and reach their listeners Oct 14 18:22:50 Has Occupy Boston make a contigency plan in case a distrubance occurs while protesting? Oct 14 18:23:10 I'd do it except I don't speak Spanish and I'm an old, old punk rocker Oct 14 18:23:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @kade_ellis: ACLUm executive director pens letter to Mayor Menino re: #occupyBoston goo.gl/Xti3K @occupy_boston @OccupyWallSt @OccupyTogether - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124973222226698241 Oct 14 18:23:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @kade_ellis: ACLUm executive director pens letter to Mayor Menino re: #occupyBoston goo.gl/Xti3K @occupy_boston @OccupyWallSt @OccupyTogether - http://twitter.com/Occupy3rdStone/statuses/124973309178814465 Oct 14 18:23:30 okay. i will find out. but, i will make a personal visit instead of phone call. most spanish prefer face-to-face Oct 14 18:23:43 we really need latinos actually Oct 14 18:23:59 Slovenia - http://www.livestream.com/prisotnoststeje Oct 14 18:24:24 The contingency plan is to wash out the pepper spray and try not to get arrested Oct 14 18:24:37 I see you have support from the ACLU: ACLUm executive director pens letter to Mayor Menino re: #occupyBoston goo.gl/Xti3K @occupy_boston @OccupyWallSt @OccupyTogether Oct 14 18:24:38 Hyman - many, many thanks Oct 14 18:25:07 goo.gl/Xti3K Oct 14 18:25:26 * OccupyBoston930 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 18:25:33 the speaker today at 4 Oct 14 18:25:39 brought in a lot of african americans Oct 14 18:25:43 * OccupyBoston805 (~OccupyBos@v-99-69-486-040.hsd4.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 18:25:57 World Net Daily could end up paying victims of Jack Abramoff http://tpm.ly/pKfNA7 Oct 14 18:26:21 We need MOAR! If ever there was an issue for minorities, this is it Oct 14 18:26:45 it looks like boston is gonna be nailed by the rain til at least 10 probably later Oct 14 18:26:48 [Occupy Boston] Press Release: On Bad Behavior - http://occupyboston.com/2011/10/14/press-release-on-bad-behavior/ Oct 14 18:27:01 the rain is in waves, some of it can be pretty heavy down here at the camp Oct 14 18:27:31 * OccupyBoston036 (~OccupyBos@n-83-50-180-0.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 18:27:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @scottmlnremtp oh goodness! Thank you! Is your rim ok? - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124972770835705857 Oct 14 18:27:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @kade_ellis: ACLUm executive director pens letter to Mayor Menino re: #occupyBoston goo.gl/Xti3K @occupy_boston @OccupyWallSt @Occupy ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124973222226698241 Oct 14 18:27:46 * OccupyBoston036 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 18:27:47 from the prediction map on weather.com this is just the light start of it Oct 14 18:28:00 here at camp its on and off Oct 14 18:28:03 we'll see Oct 14 18:28:13 Gotta go See y'all later OccupyBoston! In solidarity from Los Angeles!!!!! Oct 14 18:28:17 * OccupyBoston805 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 18:28:20 thanks TimFromLA ! Oct 14 18:28:35 We are the 99%! Oct 14 18:28:38 * TimFromLA has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 18:29:15 * Dave (~Dave@m-97-613-122-763.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 18:29:35 * durple (~durple@u-52-857-11-181.hsd0.il.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 18:29:41 * Tracyhome (~yaaic@576-049-640-041.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 18:30:08 Hi Oct 14 18:30:13 hi Oct 14 18:30:19 * oxen (~Dongs@kir.efferia.fr) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 18:31:44 occupy Boston Oct 14 18:31:58 * OccupyBoston768 (~OccupyBos@s-57-475-571-527.hsd9.nh.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 18:32:08 * OccupyBoston768 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 18:32:16 Is it raining in Boston? Oct 14 18:32:19 * OccupyBoston287 (~OccupyBos@j-89-33-106-180.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 18:32:31 * paul (~paul@s-57-475-571-527.hsd9.nh.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 18:32:42 * Tracyhome has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 18:32:59 * paul has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 18:33:00 * OccupyBoston181 (~OccupyBos@96.237.hk.in) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 18:33:21 Shame on BPD Oct 14 18:34:43 For Jay Guerva - I just got off the phone with spanish broadcaster Power800 AM and Power102.9 FM - The Power of Boston. The staff love the idea for tomorrow and are requesting permission from Mr. Costa, the owner.... Oct 14 18:34:48 why us the stream offline> Oct 14 18:34:53 We are all pawns.I feel sorry for our children. Oct 14 18:37:06 Who's Street! Oct 14 18:37:08 Our Street! Oct 14 18:37:22 * OccupyBoston287 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 18:37:35 * Tracyhome (~yaaic@576-049-640-041.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 18:38:11 * Bob5432345 (~Bob543234@d-58-42-039-438.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 18:38:29 http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/legal-observer-under-arrest-after-being-injured-by-nypd-police-scooter.php Oct 14 18:38:42 * Dave has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 18:38:42 * Bob5432345 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 18:39:40 just had a blast on Slovenian livestream- 12:30 there so it's already the 15th! Oct 14 18:40:14 Cool Oct 14 18:41:24 can practically feel the uplift the mod & natives are getting from other countries Oct 14 18:41:57 I am so happy to be part of this. Oct 14 18:42:29 me too Oct 14 18:42:39 I've been waiting for this my entire life Oct 14 18:43:02 How long ia that ? Lol Oct 14 18:43:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Wow. Intense day at #occupyboston, no blog videos, instead, just getting roped in to help! More on that later. Had a good day. #ows - http://twitter.com/leftinlowell/statuses/124978451936587777 Oct 14 18:43:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Wihout irony, #occupyBoston accepts special treatmet for themselves while protesting special treatment given to others #getaPermit - http://twitter.com/WalterGa/statuses/124978485759459328 Oct 14 18:43:27 have dreamed of this day since the movement in 60's petered out Oct 14 18:44:29 tracy jay posted previously to being an "old, old punk rocker" Oct 14 18:44:41 Cool Oct 14 18:44:50 I'm OLD, young lady. OLD. So old I remember when we used to walk down to the village to look at girl's ankles. So old I cough dust. I remember when all this *waves cane around* was nothing but fields! Oct 14 18:45:05 No Oct 14 18:45:08 lol Oct 14 18:45:11 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@uvnv-475-73-107-180.customer.veroxity.net Oct 14 18:45:12 47 Oct 14 18:45:19 I'm curious: how optimistic are you folks of this movement having tangible success? Oct 14 18:45:29 I knew you weren't old. Oct 14 18:45:44 * OccupyBoston427 (~OccupyBos@g-95-2-286-41.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 18:45:47 More.optimistic every day that passes. Oct 14 18:45:54 Very, but this is setting the stage for february of next year, when the shit really hits the fan Oct 14 18:45:57 NY got.a victiry today. Oct 14 18:45:59 jay yours truly must admit how odd it is to hear "old old punk rocker" :) Oct 14 18:46:11 I know! Oct 14 18:46:14 February? Oct 14 18:46:25 Jay_Guevara: what happens in Feburary? Oct 14 18:46:27 February Oct 14 18:46:40 Wife is calling the chinese radio stations too...... Oct 14 18:46:54 makes me an old old old punk rocker as i have 9 years on you :) Oct 14 18:47:32 * OccupyBoston427 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 18:47:41 hy kudos to your wife! Oct 14 18:47:56 and you! Oct 14 18:48:15 * OccupyBoston281 (~OccupyBos@gdey-73-086-538-78.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 18:48:30 * Tracyhome has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 14 18:49:00 I think it's oing to play out limke this--- Dec 31st all the unemployment extensions stop. january comes and goes, and all the bills get paid. February comes and everybody falls behind. With Marrch a week away, no food on the table, and no money to pay the bills, 8 million people will go nuts Oct 14 18:49:12 we have to have all the colors of the 1 race in this thing Oct 14 18:49:30 she is very excited. i am in spanish mode and she is determined. very excited and determined. We must thank Jay Guevara for this excellent idea. Oct 14 18:49:42 I am actually an old deathrocker - it's like a proto-goth Oct 14 18:50:00 yes jay pushed the rainbow Oct 14 18:50:20 jay genuine punk rocker here Oct 14 18:50:56 Yeehaw Oct 14 18:51:07 early twenties when it started Oct 14 18:51:27 We're not dead, we just deserve to die when we become stale cartoons! Oct 14 18:51:47 still love & listen to some of the bands from then Oct 14 18:52:20 Yah. I have whole discographies now from bittorrent Oct 14 18:52:43 and to thiink of all the grainy cassettes I made Oct 14 18:53:03 jay don't think this movement will allow us to go stale- we're being rejuvinated & reconstituted Oct 14 18:53:26 lol on tape tech Oct 14 18:54:04 Yes. It was horrible watching them turn away from politics in the 90's., and wonderful to see them turning back Oct 14 18:54:39 yes the drive to have a better world never compleltely dies out Oct 14 18:55:30 Well, I have to go soak my teeth and put some liniment on my goiters - back in a bit, everybody. Oct 14 18:55:43 * Lendorm (~Laff@029.97.433.67.rev.sfr.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 18:55:53 * Lendormi has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 18:56:22 roger your take on the return of social consciousness lyrics- personally can't live without them Oct 14 18:56:29 Going to grab a Guy Fawkes mask. Oct 14 18:56:37 * Jay_Guevara has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 18:57:00 * TheRavenProject|Away is now known as TheRavenProject Oct 14 18:58:19 dinner fast approaches for this stomach; be well Boston- stay strong stay supple loves Oct 14 18:58:25 * hosap has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 19:00:01 * Citizen119 (~Citizen11@532-9-70-485.c1-8.smr-ubr4.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 19:02:39 * OccupyBoston181 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 19:02:41 is anyone here at dewey park? Oct 14 19:03:26 MediaTent was. Oct 14 19:03:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @harmonywho: Wishing #OccupyBoston comfort and dryness inside your tents! Much love. - http://twitter.com/wheeliesmom/statuses/124983512850890753 Oct 14 19:03:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @WalterGa: Wihout irony, #occupyBoston accepts special treatmet for themselves while protesting special treatment given to others #getaPermit - http://twitter.com/lookupfolks/statuses/124983530232094720 Oct 14 19:05:23 * OccupyEverything has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 19:06:29 do they bother to livestream the ga anymore or are they just going to replay everyone getting arrested forever Oct 14 19:07:24 * Lendormi (~Laff@029.97.433.67.rev.sfr.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 19:08:23 * Lendorm has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 19:08:43 * OccupyBoston281 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 19:11:20 Going out to get coffees for the team. good luck everyone. Oct 14 19:11:21 * JD_PGH (~Storm@cath-90-90-545-595.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 19:11:27 You all might want to visit this site and it will give you a great idea of the fix we are in. http://thelies.webs.com/ Good Luck with your "Occupation!" Oct 14 19:11:55 * JD_PGH (~Storm@cath-90-90-545-595.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 19:13:11 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@65.49.xt.xk Oct 14 19:13:11 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@65.49.qu.gq Oct 14 19:14:09 * hyman has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 19:14:11 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@65.49.zx.lu Oct 14 19:15:39 * KeKe_away is now known as KeKe_in_out Oct 14 19:16:07 uallach: the media tent is being rebuilt from the inside-out. There have been issues with power which were recently resolved. Getting the livestream going is pretty involved and we've been understaffed. It's being worked on. Oct 14 19:16:11 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@65.49.kn.jh Oct 14 19:16:33 i see. Oct 14 19:17:12 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@65.49.rh.ty Oct 14 19:18:22 I'm not there tonight so I won't be able to help Oct 14 19:18:26 MediaTent: you there? Oct 14 19:20:09 does anyone know in general if there would be room for a couple more occupiers this weekend? Oct 14 19:20:40 * theonlytruestyle2 (~theonlytr@017-076-586-16.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 19:21:14 * OccupyBoston348 (~OccupyBos@082.88.05.398.cfl.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 19:21:23 * OccupyBoston332 (~OccupyBos@regh-79-580-75-420.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 19:22:23 * MikeMcGee (~MikeMcGee@695-22-598-33.ptld.qwest.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 19:22:33 * OccupyBoston348 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 19:22:35 hi all Oct 14 19:23:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Fara1: Hey #OccupyBoston did you know one of first ever Food Not Bombs actions was March 1981 in same place where Federal Reserve now stands. - http://twitter.com/mpetroz1/statuses/124988441606889473 Oct 14 19:23:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @eheat: "Someone call Legal because you just stole my heart." #OBpickuplines #OccupyBoston - http://twitter.com/PWeiskel08/statuses/124988504328519680 Oct 14 19:24:44 * TheRavenProject has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 14 19:25:05 * OccupyBoston126 (~OccupyBos@c-57-79-966-31.hsd4.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 19:25:12 * ProjectAeternum (~AndChat@110.sub-145-770-116.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 19:25:57 * OccupyBoston920 (~OccupyBos@j-89-33-106-180.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 19:25:57 * OccupyBoston126 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 19:26:09 where is the meeting in Boston Oct 14 19:26:12 ? Oct 14 19:26:44 * OccupyBoston920 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 19:27:24 * MikeMcGee has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 19:27:36 * OccupyBoston528 (~OccupyBos@j-89-33-106-180.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 19:27:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Anti-war march starts at 1:30 by Park Street. The march will come here; marchers will march elsewhere from here. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124987729254686720 Oct 14 19:29:02 * ProjectAeternum has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 19:29:09 * Caper (~Caper@d-57-43-576-75.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 19:29:10 * Tracyhome (~yaaic@576-049-640-041.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 19:29:49 Hi Oct 14 19:30:15 * Tracyhome has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 19:30:19 * Caper has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 19:30:44 * OccupyBoston332 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 19:31:00 * sigmoid has quit (Quit: leaving) Oct 14 19:33:31 * collegian (~collegian@x-07-420-362-40.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 19:34:03 * collegian has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 19:37:42 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @occupycapecod: Thanks to the 100 plus brave souls who showed up in the rain today all the ino is posted on Face book Page friend us ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124990202124054528 Oct 14 19:39:29 * OccupyBoston623 (~OccupyBos@xluj-951-04-088-48.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 19:40:11 * OccupyBoston623 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 19:41:11 * OccupyBoston528 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 19:41:23 * JIM (~JIM@tdzt-486-58-04-0.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 19:42:28 rain rain go away Oct 14 19:42:37 JIM: you at camp? Oct 14 19:42:57 rain definitely makes things trickier here Oct 14 19:43:07 * JIM has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 19:43:15 GenKreton: are you in the media tent at all? Oct 14 19:43:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @ProtestChaplain: Whose city on a hill? OUR city on a hill! http://t.co/6J97XiIq #occupyboston #pwnage #puritans #ows #winthrop #history - http://twitter.com/odees2/statuses/124993571441999872 Oct 14 19:43:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @OccupyPics: #NYPD White Shirt KO's a Female Protester Today VIDEO: http://t.co/8AfR5nxn via @YourAnonNews #ows #occupyboston #occupyla - http://twitter.com/CrisisJones/statuses/124993592212201472 Oct 14 19:51:14 * OccupyBoston132 (~OccupyBos@dccz-03-50-062-994.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 19:51:21 * Tracyhome (~yaaic@576-049-640-041.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 19:51:38 * OccupyBoston691 (~OccupyBos@btkp-79-69-254-254.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 19:51:58 * Tracyhome has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 19:52:16 * OccupyBoston691 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 19:52:34 * Tracyhome (~yaaic@576-049-640-041.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 19:53:00 * CYA has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 19:53:07 * Tracyhome has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 19:54:40 hey guys Oct 14 19:54:44 how are things? Oct 14 19:55:22 hi ttuttle|offsite Oct 14 19:55:31 hey lefty Oct 14 19:55:46 * OccupyBoston689 (~OccupyBos@u-64-287-673-39.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 19:56:37 so how long do you think the occupy nyc demonstration will last? Oct 14 19:56:49 * OccupyBoston689 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 19:57:11 I say, at most a week. The threat of a crackdown is high. Oct 14 19:57:23 * MediaTent has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 19:57:54 * OccupyBoston953 (~OccupyBos@p-04-062-028-986.hsd4.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 19:58:47 * OccupyBoston953 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 19:58:50 leftyfb: not in the media tent Oct 14 19:58:52 * OccupyBoston332 (~OccupyBos@regh-79-580-75-420.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 19:58:53 * OccupyBoston332 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 19:59:01 actually leftyfb I've never been in the media tent only seen it on livestream Oct 14 19:59:15 they seem so busy and I feel my skills are better other places Oct 14 19:59:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: FYI, the #bostonGA hashtag appears to be a good place to go to get livetweets from tonight's GA. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124997392641687552 Oct 14 20:01:32 * sigmoid (~brandon@y-95-15-103-59.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 20:01:53 * calliope has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 20:03:05 * RBInfiniti (~RBInfinit@r-11-704-392-759.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 20:03:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @JeffCutler If I weren't in the 1%, I'm pretty sure this weather would chase me away from the #occupyboston shantyville. - http://twitter.com/Yeacab/statuses/124998584289603584 Oct 14 20:07:53 Why are there some 99%'ers refuting this movement? Oct 14 20:08:28 lots of reasons they might have Oct 14 20:08:36 Worse yet - why are people calling Herman Cain a good presidential candidate? Oct 14 20:09:18 * ZanzibarMan has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 20:09:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @Lady_44: Man, Howard Zinn would have loved @Occupy_Boston. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124999258146471936 Oct 14 20:09:42 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Hurricane Menino has rolled in and drowned out tonight's GA... towels blankets and dry socks needed for the morning please! Help us dry out! - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/124999287267532800 Oct 14 20:09:59 * OccupyBoston453 (~OccupyBos@eywcbstj00.tch.harvard.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 20:10:41 is there a GA tonight on racism? Oct 14 20:11:16 * OccupyBoston704 (~OccupyBos@v-883-84-121-2.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 20:11:17 * OccupyBoston453 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 20:11:23 * OccupyBoston364 (~OccupyBos@eywcbstj00.tch.harvard.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 20:11:54 is there a GA tonight on racism? Oct 14 20:12:07 there's a GA, not sure what it's on Oct 14 20:12:31 * OccupyBoston704 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 20:13:07 Anyone know how Mitt Romney got elected governor in MA in the first place? Was it really via voting? Oct 14 20:13:12 where is the GA given that it's raining a lot? Oct 14 20:14:35 not sure Oct 14 20:14:38 sorry to be a pest, but a friend and I are at work trying to decide whether to make an effort to go to the GA after work - where is the GA? Oct 14 20:14:55 OccupyBoston364: go to the camp, you can't miss it :) Oct 14 20:15:03 OccupyBoston364: the GA started at 7 Oct 14 20:15:49 thanks very much - will try to go - I know it starts at 7 but tends to run a while, right? Oct 14 20:15:57 it does Oct 14 20:16:04 i've seen it go till 11 Oct 14 20:16:15 not sure what time it's supposed to end Oct 14 20:16:16 Raining very hard in the SouthCoast Oct 14 20:17:23 * Lendormi has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 20:17:35 I figured I'd throw a statement out there among my myriad of questions. Oct 14 20:18:05 Thank you leftyfb! Oct 14 20:20:15 * KeKe_in_out is now known as KeKe_zzZZZ Oct 14 20:20:42 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Women's caucus meeting tomorrow at 3:30 by our totally sweet new library. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125001271135584256 Oct 14 20:20:43 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: We misreported the time for tomorrow's anti-war march. Starts at Park Street at 1 PM. RT. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125002299729907712 Oct 14 20:20:53 * Tracyhome (~yaaic@576-049-640-041.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 20:21:19 Anyone.know Dosh? Oct 14 20:22:59 * Tracyhome has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 20:23:20 * OccupyBoston078 (~OccupyBos@klpz-924-980-957-42.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 20:23:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] END BRUTALITY AGAINST PEACEFUL PROTESTERS NOW #OCCUPYBOSTON #OWS - http://twitter.com/SpencerCvngh/statuses/125003607694262272 Oct 14 20:23:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @HMOlsen I tweeted about that earlier n a #OccupyBoston tweeted me and said he was a 70y/o #USMC Vet. - http://twitter.com/sandsifter1/statuses/125003625561989120 Oct 14 20:23:27 * jon (~jon@q-79-12-634-106.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 20:24:50 anyone know who decided to put up a loop of arrest videos on the live stream? I think it's a bad idea... Oct 14 20:28:17 * OccupyBoston364 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 20:29:39 * OccupyBoston298 (~OccupyBos@hksf-246-898-36-69.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 20:29:50 * OccupyBoston298 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 20:29:56 * Gnome (~androirc@131.sub-695-273-11.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 20:30:17 * sigmoid has quit (Quit: leaving) Oct 14 20:30:23 * KeKe_zzZZZ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 20:31:49 * theonlytruestyle2 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 14 20:32:20 * OccupyBoston696 (~OccupyBos@j-89-33-106-180.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 20:32:34 This site really needs serious revision to be effective Oct 14 20:33:30 what site? Oct 14 20:33:58 the website is being redesigned and should be ready after this weekend Oct 14 20:34:34 this is a really, really good article on public spaces in boston http://t.co/Ax10rOlZ Oct 14 20:36:45 leftyfb: is it true no more lumber? Oct 14 20:37:16 GenKreton: not sure, but I wouldn't think it would be allowed to begin with Oct 14 20:37:45 OBLogistics Occ_Boston Logistics Oct 14 20:37:47 Discussed issue w/ police: Pallets are ok to bring in. No more dimensional lumber for now. Oct 14 20:37:52 heh well there you go Oct 14 20:38:04 * OccupyBoston639 (~OccupyBos@30-04-676-250.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 20:38:23 What's up with all this [police overtime] cost? Oct 14 20:38:24 * OccupyBoston639 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 20:38:35 RBInfiniti: ask the mayor Oct 14 20:38:37 The camps are requesting police presence? Oct 14 20:38:38 * AndrewVET (~AndrewVET@30-04-676-250.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 20:38:47 RBInfiniti: not that I know of Oct 14 20:39:10 Wow... FOX News SUX! Oct 14 20:39:11 RBInfiniti: and I'm pretty sure they didn't request the 300+ officers and MTA cops on Monday night Oct 14 20:39:28 * OccupyBoston768 (~OccupyBos@21-14-139-27.biz.static.teleguam.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 20:39:41 * OccupyBoston768 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 20:40:00 links don't work. That is a serious problem if we want to be taken seriously. Oct 14 20:40:15 There are no contacts Oct 14 20:40:34 OccupyBoston696: what link? Oct 14 20:40:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Tomorrow is 10/15, our occupation's intl day of solidarity. more resources here: http://t.co/XUzFstnk via @takethesquare . - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125005625376776192 Oct 14 20:40:45 where there is a meeting tomorrow is not clear bc the map link - Occupy Boston link Oct 14 20:40:56 the map link is broken Oct 14 20:41:41 * alleynoir (~alleynoir@262.sub-264-342-15.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 20:41:50 * sigmoid (~brandon@y-95-15-103-59.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 20:42:02 that link is about social networks - where is the meeting physically tomorrow? Oct 14 20:42:35 OccupyBoston696: http://twitter.com/#!/Occupy_Boston/status/124987729254686720 Oct 14 20:42:42 is there anyone at charge? I don't have twitter Oct 14 20:42:50 although the time is 1:00pm, not 1:30 Oct 14 20:42:59 Is this even a "true statement" : Occupy Boston protests could cost city $2 million in police overtime Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/local/occupy-boston-protests-could-cost-city-2m-in-police-overtime-20111012#ixzz1ao4bZrj7 Oct 14 20:43:02 you don't need twitter to look at the link Oct 14 20:43:11 Oops, sorry about the atrocious link. Oct 14 20:43:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Don't forget: Anti-War March tomorrow in Boston! #occupyboston http://t.co/qg6xQvC7 - http://twitter.com/SmedleyVFP/statuses/125008471845384192 Oct 14 20:43:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @Occupy_Boston Attn: @caulkthewagon Love to #OccupyBoston from #OCCUPYPORTLAND! - http://twitter.com/allison_francis/statuses/125008544113229824 Oct 14 20:43:28 Wall Street has cost a lot more that $2 million Oct 14 20:43:52 RBInfiniti: ask the mayor. We didn't ask for the police to watch over us and kick us out of the other camp on Monday night Oct 14 20:43:53 the problem is banker greed Oct 14 20:43:56 My logic and tautology is failing me. Oct 14 20:44:04 Precisely. Oct 14 20:44:05 where are you leftylb Oct 14 20:44:14 969: home Oct 14 20:44:22 where is the rally tomorrow Oct 14 20:44:23 I' Oct 14 20:44:26 So it should read that the Mayor is costing taxpayers over $2M Oct 14 20:44:32 I am 65 years old and am ready to go Oct 14 20:44:39 696: here pertains to the camp. Dewey Square in Boston Oct 14 20:44:42 the Mayor is not the enemy Oct 14 20:44:47 ok Oct 14 20:44:48 thanks Oct 14 20:45:02 the enemy is the system and the more noise the better Oct 14 20:45:05 Whomever is deciding to dispatch the police then. Oct 14 20:45:13 I have a question and not sure who to pose it to Oct 14 20:45:17 pose it Oct 14 20:45:21 AndrewVET: what's up? Oct 14 20:45:28 lol Oct 14 20:45:43 a rally in Dewey Sq at 1:00 pm tomorrow Oct 14 20:46:12 Is this an objection to Wall street / capitalism or government corruption. I understand your answer is probably going to be both Oct 14 20:46:13 I thought it started at Park Street? Oct 14 20:46:29 AndrewVET: yes Oct 14 20:46:40 sigmoid: yes, you're right Oct 14 20:46:48 occupyboston969: sorry, it's at Park St. Oct 14 20:47:00 Wall Street, yes. Capitalism, eh... not entirely. Government corruption, yes. Oct 14 20:47:00 I believe in this cause however the message is very convoluted Oct 14 20:47:02 although they are marching to the camp and then off to somewhere else Oct 14 20:47:03 Park Street and where? Oct 14 20:47:05 That is my understanding. Oct 14 20:47:12 AndrewVET: it's the idea that money has too much power in politics, that the average person has less of a say the lower on the socioeconomic ladder they are. so it's both. Oct 14 20:47:26 OccupyBoston696: The T stop Oct 14 20:47:47 The [99%] people are not be represented. Oct 14 20:47:52 That's how I am reading it. Oct 14 20:48:10 Park Street station at 1 PM ? Oct 14 20:48:48 So it is fair to blame wall street at all ... meaning they are merely taking advantage of a situation created by the government Oct 14 20:49:03 Well, yes. Oct 14 20:49:08 In my view. Oct 14 20:49:24 \of course, wall street sold out their own companies to lend monies to people they knew c ould not afford it Oct 14 20:49:32 "Taking advantage" Oct 14 20:49:34 then they got a bailout Oct 14 20:49:35 I disagree, Wall St paid a lot of money to get those conditions passed through the government Oct 14 20:49:51 Oops... Oct 14 20:49:53 and then they got a retention bonus for hurting their own companies Oct 14 20:49:58 right but the government allowed this to happen Oct 14 20:50:03 Have to divide Wall Street... Oct 14 20:50:09 yes...and your point? Oct 14 20:50:20 There are investors and then there are the corporate fat-cats. Oct 14 20:50:29 Sorry for the lame terminology. Oct 14 20:50:31 absolutely Oct 14 20:50:32 I Oct 14 20:50:39 I am in an investor Oct 14 20:50:40 OccupyBoston696: http://twitter.com/#!/leftyfb/status/125010536483127296 Oct 14 20:50:43 I'm waiting for an answer Oct 14 20:50:53 what's the question? Oct 14 20:51:24 OccupyBoston696: the one I posed in the link I just posted Oct 14 20:51:33 I don't have twitter Oct 14 20:51:42 you do not need twitter to click on the link Oct 14 20:52:15 I told you I Oct 14 20:52:24 I told you I am 65 Oct 14 20:52:29 :) Oct 14 20:52:30 LOL Oct 14 20:52:38 AndrewVET: the government was paid handsomely to let it happen Oct 14 20:52:45 My parents won't get near a computer. Oct 14 20:52:53 we need to get those old farts like me out there Oct 14 20:53:18 lol - I'm on and really appreciate what you guys and gals are doing out there Oct 14 20:53:21 leftyfb: its said to start at park st Oct 14 20:53:25 and march to the camp Oct 14 20:53:31 At least these cronies have children usually... Oct 14 20:53:34 * OccupyBoston146 (~OccupyBos@96.237.hk.in) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 20:53:37 and the police? Is there a permit Oct 14 20:53:39 GenKreton: Park St. is a street, not an address :) Oct 14 20:53:42 -: Oct 14 20:53:42 Too Big To Fail deprives bond-holders of their risk premium. Normally they would be paid to bear the risk, but TBTF means there's no risk premium on those assets because they're guaranteed (implicitly) by the government. Oct 14 20:53:48 GenKreton: the question is where on Park St. Oct 14 20:54:03 I think someone said at the T Oct 14 20:54:16 That's what I heard earlier. Oct 14 20:54:20 my wife said to me, are you planning to get arrested? Oct 14 20:54:32 and this is probably being monitored by the police Oct 14 20:54:32 I Oct 14 20:54:36 * OccupyBoston901 (~OccupyBos@t-30-498-344-378.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 20:54:38 I'd be pretty ticked off if I got arrested... Oct 14 20:54:47 last time the cops arrested people Oct 14 20:54:56 they gave them *plenty* of warning to leave Oct 14 20:54:59 * OccupyBoston901 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 20:55:05 you are unlikely to get arrested if you don't want to get arrested Oct 14 20:55:07 * Gnome has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 14 20:55:08 i'm retired. Without struggle there is no progress......Frederick Douglass Oct 14 20:55:16 I know many of the goals are not clearly defined but has anyone posed the suggestion of Congressional Term limits as a means of stemming corruption Oct 14 20:55:23 Freddy D. Oct 14 20:55:28 He spent some time down here. Oct 14 20:55:42 who is running this show, anyway. they need just a little focus Oct 14 20:56:02 for instance the press release I just read Oct 14 20:56:06 I think some of the point is to not have a leader but to have a collective voice Oct 14 20:56:09 it defended behvaior Oct 14 20:56:15 your behavior Oct 14 20:56:21 one incident and we are responding Oct 14 20:56:38 instead of pounding the same message over and over again - one or maybe two messages and that's it Oct 14 20:57:15 Even if there are "different" speeches/messages being delivered. Oct 14 20:57:21 a collective voice won't change sentiment - everyone is correct to have a view but to make change we must bang one thing - it's wall street vs you. Oct 14 20:57:48 Perhaps Oct 14 20:57:54 Maybe there is more than one thing wrong. Oct 14 20:57:57 Agreed on the lack of focus .. there are alot of view pointsunderstandably but if they do not relate to a single cause, it is not taken seriously Oct 14 20:57:59 read about civil rights Oct 14 20:58:10 * Gnome (~androirc@131.sub-695-273-11.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 20:58:12 exactly Andrew Oct 14 20:58:46 No multitasking? )-: Oct 14 20:59:01 the argument looses focus ... find a philosophy grad ask them about argument. not hating on anyone. what you are doing is admirable Oct 14 20:59:08 Multi-tasking in social movements is in the micro not macro management Oct 14 20:59:13 will the livestream be back? Oct 14 20:59:21 take a lesson from the republicans Oct 14 20:59:22 146: not tonight Oct 14 20:59:25 definately macro Oct 14 20:59:26 thanks Oct 14 20:59:40 is there anyone person in charge of this movement Oct 14 20:59:42 I neither admire nor wish to emulate them. Oct 14 20:59:49 Despite their "success". Oct 14 20:59:51 696: no Oct 14 20:59:57 lol - of course, but they know how to stay on task Oct 14 20:59:59 dont admire their message but the way they convey it Oct 14 21:00:10 Lying? Oct 14 21:00:11 Andrew - we are sympatico Oct 14 21:00:25 Sorry... but that is how I break it down. Oct 14 21:00:37 definately... I love what is going on and will be there tomorrow. Oct 14 21:00:43 well, isn't that the way? sacrifice the way to improve the whole? Oct 14 21:00:45 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @allison_francis: @Occupy_Boston Attn: @caulkthewagon Love to #OccupyBoston from #OCCUPYPORTLAND! - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125010705320648705 Oct 14 21:00:45 -: Oct 14 21:00:49 me too Oct 14 21:01:22 does anyone know the answer Oct 14 21:01:40 or should I go to dewey square and ask about Oct 14 21:01:41 Has anyone heard what Michael Graham has been saying on Boston Talks Oct 14 21:01:53 * OccupyBoston523 (~OccupyBos@j-61-88-12-60.hsd2.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:01:54 Biggest critic of this movement Oct 14 21:02:37 and he miscontruse everything for his conservative view point but he does raise some valid points Oct 14 21:02:56 I googled him - he's a conservative Oct 14 21:03:00 Valid or accurate? Oct 14 21:03:10 Not sure if those are the same. Oct 14 21:03:11 listen, don't get distracted Oct 14 21:03:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] FYI, Taize community was established during the WWII occupation as a safe, ecumenical haven for all #OccupyBoston #Taize - http://twitter.com/klamach/statuses/125013499742130176 Oct 14 21:03:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] BREAKING NEWS FOR ALL OCCUPIERS!! MUST FOLLOW @occupymensroom FOR DETAILS!!#omr #ows #occupywallstreet #GeneralAssembly #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/n23mc/statuses/125013722426118144 Oct 14 21:03:27 it's wall street vs you Oct 14 21:03:46 one message - it' Oct 14 21:03:55 * jguy99 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 21:04:04 * OccupyBoston523 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 21:04:06 one message - it's wall street vs you - over and over and over again Oct 14 21:04:12 can you guys use something like tuff-r if you can't use lumber Oct 14 21:04:42 I guess validilty does speak to the manner of his argument but he is able to pick apart many of your messages because they are not clearly defined Oct 14 21:04:45 for instance Oct 14 21:04:48 if it's not too burning man Oct 14 21:04:57 I'm afraid Wall Street includes people it shouldn't though. Oct 14 21:05:10 We are against government bail outs Oct 14 21:05:21 yes and people populate hate groups as well Oct 14 21:05:37 focus on one thing - it's wall street vs. you Oct 14 21:05:52 this resonates with middle class americans Oct 14 21:05:57 * OccupyBoston438 (~OccupyBos@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:06:22 but people are also saying where is my bail out or expecting something for bailouts. Thhere can not be a contradiction Oct 14 21:06:27 bc they hate Wall St more than who they perceive as socialists. they don't see that the Tea Party types are the anarchists Oct 14 21:06:47 student loans etc Oct 14 21:07:04 yes, they say it, but my advice is to ignore - repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat - that is how thought is changed Oct 14 21:07:27 Is there "one" middle class America or two or many? Oct 14 21:07:28 what about student loans? Oct 14 21:07:35 bail outs Oct 14 21:07:35 * OccupyBoston511 (~OccupyBos@204.45.ops.wur) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:07:52 can not bail out student loans if you are against bail outs Oct 14 21:08:12 I happen to agree with bailouts, just not without conditions. If not bailout we would be in a deep depression right now Oct 14 21:08:15 The group of guys I sit next to mostly swear by the Republican party. Oct 14 21:08:25 There should be no bail out on student loans! Oct 14 21:08:26 We all make the same amount of money, I think. LOL Oct 14 21:08:37 So why are they thinking one way and me another? Oct 14 21:08:42 I have friends and family that are democrats. As my dad used to say, they have a right to be wrong Oct 14 21:08:46 no there should be a new system of funding education all together Oct 14 21:08:54 0 interest loans Oct 14 21:09:07 why Oct 14 21:09:19 * alleynoir has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi) Oct 14 21:09:52 easy if they are government backed than there is no risk Oct 14 21:09:55 I am guessing there'd be a time limit on pay back as to where it remains 0% Oct 14 21:10:02 * OccupyBoston751 (~OccupyBos@byuj-54-462-477-4.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:10:13 I think I am guessing wrong actually. Oct 14 21:11:20 TOTALLY off subject... Oct 14 21:11:29 No one made anyone sign for these student loans. Oct 14 21:11:37 Where do non-corporate millionaires fit in all this? Oct 14 21:11:48 Sports figures, entertainers, etc.? Oct 14 21:12:42 No where I presume unless they influence government, right? Oct 14 21:13:07 I am just wondering if there is a "trickle-UP" effect. Oct 14 21:13:31 with higher education outrageously expensive. how else does one afford to go to college Oct 14 21:13:48 Is knowledge expensive? Oct 14 21:13:56 * OccupyBoston696 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 21:13:58 why are no one occupying collages like in the 60's. They make the rates for schooling? Oct 14 21:14:07 * OccupyBoston438 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 21:14:18 * OccupyBoston813 (~OccupyBos@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:14:28 Netsplits? Oct 14 21:14:32 that tactic largely didn't go anywhere, if I remember correctly. Oct 14 21:15:05 Why are no one occupying the collages that make the school rates like back in the 60's? Oct 14 21:15:11 then again, I've only read Mark Rudd's take when he was leading SDS in NYC. Oct 14 21:15:27 School is expensive but attainable. Oct 14 21:15:46 Doesn't mean that people should have to be in debt,. Oct 14 21:16:09 There is no reason why a complete education can't be free and available to everyone. Oct 14 21:16:09 That'd be nice... Oct 14 21:16:18 I stuck to cheap-a$$ schools. Oct 14 21:16:18 why blame the banks for student loans and not the schools! Oct 14 21:16:30 The european system is entirely free Oct 14 21:16:30 * OccupyBoston363 (~OccupyBos@gdey-451-59-568-917.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:16:38 * OccupyBoston363 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 21:16:47 A good chunk of the world has free education for all people. Oct 14 21:17:01 I mean, Iraq under Saddam Hussein had that. Oct 14 21:17:29 A higher education is not aright! There are trade schools too. Oct 14 21:17:45 Education is a right! Oct 14 21:17:55 So people shouldn't have the right to go to university and to have a higher education? Oct 14 21:17:56 No its not! Oct 14 21:17:59 Why shouldn't they? Oct 14 21:18:08 DID I read correctly? News Corp. has a private, aka pay?, K-12 school initiative/business venture???? Oct 14 21:18:22 Wouldn't surprise me. Oct 14 21:18:58 Methinks OccupyBoston813 is trolling. Oct 14 21:19:04 * alleynoir (~alleynoir@262.sub-264-342-15.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:19:07 Our society will regress without education as a right Oct 14 21:19:11 I'd rather have free schools but I am not "militant" about how the current system is. Oct 14 21:19:17 no, just trying to understand Oct 14 21:19:39 * OccupyBoston074 (~OccupyBos@r-81-48-526-631.hsd2.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:19:48 I won't have enough money to pay for my child to go to a decent college. Oct 14 21:19:55 why is it if someone thinks differant they are a troll Oct 14 21:20:03 Its not hard to understand that thinks like housing, education, and health care should be considered a human right and made available to all people Oct 14 21:20:09 Because it's absurd. Oct 14 21:20:21 *that things like Oct 14 21:20:31 Made available by whom? Oct 14 21:20:45 Society. A new system. Oct 14 21:20:51 OccupyBoston813: you're not trolling Oct 14 21:20:57 Repub's would have you believe that you work, earn money and pay for it yourself. Oct 14 21:21:04 OccupyBoston813: sorry someone accused you of that Oct 14 21:21:07 No handouts as they ften tout. Oct 14 21:21:15 often* Oct 14 21:21:28 That's not a handout. Oct 14 21:21:33 It's basic decency. Oct 14 21:21:37 According to them it is. Oct 14 21:21:46 Maybe so. Oct 14 21:21:50 benbella: someone offering solutions is not trolling Oct 14 21:21:57 I think there should be some nominal amount paid. Oct 14 21:22:01 That's not offering a solution. Oct 14 21:22:04 Free higher learning is not for everyone, so its not a right. Oct 14 21:22:22 If it was made free and available for everyone, it would be. Oct 14 21:22:28 * OccupyBoston668 (~OccupyBos@j-76-099-026-605.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:22:33 Most people want to go to school and advance their education. Oct 14 21:22:37 what about trades Oct 14 21:22:40 benbella: Education is free in many countries Oct 14 21:22:42 Can anyone make an argument against student loans being offered at 0% Oct 14 21:22:44 ... Oct 14 21:22:45 What about trades? Oct 14 21:22:47 * OccupyBoston813 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 21:22:55 0% is cool Oct 14 21:22:59 No shit, leftyfb. Look at my posts above. Oct 14 21:22:59 * OccupyBoston616 (~OccupyBos@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:23:00 You still have to pay. Oct 14 21:23:13 benbella: there's no need for the attitude Oct 14 21:23:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @MuchMind PLEASE RT #OccupyWallStreet #OccupyBoston #OWS - First We Take Manhattan VIDEO http://t.co/kZ6DwBvp - http://twitter.com/EricAllenBell/statuses/125018680957468672 Oct 14 21:23:26 Some will always have more than others. It is a few having so much more than the rest that is disturbing. Oct 14 21:23:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @LeFill: @Occupy_Boston come 1 come all! 1st meeting of women's caucus tm 3:30 next to (new) library. What has ur experience been? #OccupyBoston - http://twitter.com/caulkthewagon/statuses/125018704680456192 Oct 14 21:23:27 * OccupyBoston668 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 21:23:30 For books and materials, sure. But tuitions and stipends should be made free and available. Oct 14 21:23:32 * KeKe_zzZZZ (KeKe_zzZZZ@47g0279u.bb.sky.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:23:45 Leftyfb. Get over yourself. Oct 14 21:23:46 * KeKe_zzZZZ has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 21:24:00 benbella: there's no need for the attitude Oct 14 21:24:04 cool story Oct 14 21:24:05 I, can't believe me the commie is saying/typing this, think we should pay something. Oct 14 21:24:16 benbella: We're all in this together. Oct 14 21:24:28 Well you're not much of a communist if you're saying that people should pay for tuition. Oct 14 21:24:31 * lovec has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 14 21:24:34 They call me "comrade" at work and in the sim. soccer league I am in. Oct 14 21:24:59 I think it should be minimal and the same for everyone. Oct 14 21:24:59 people should be mad at the collages that have rised there rates by over 50% in the last ten years. Oct 14 21:25:06 "Same" Oct 14 21:25:12 * KHS31 (~KHS31@s-45-228-772-343.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:25:14 * OccupyBoston005 (~OccupyBos@lnth-025-16-792-232.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:25:21 http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-10-12.html Oct 14 21:25:23 Why have subsided costs for education when you can do much better? Oct 14 21:25:25 * Citizen119 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 21:25:27 Same effect on personal finances. Oct 14 21:25:28 Why the reservation? Oct 14 21:25:30 so is there a rally tomorrow at a specific time??? Oct 14 21:25:40 *subsidized Oct 14 21:25:47 Cool, you already knew what I meant. Oct 14 21:25:52 for the global day of action?? Oct 14 21:25:57 I think the problem is, a person can be genius but if you don't have a degree it doesn't matter. Oct 14 21:26:01 OccupyBoston005: http://twitter.com/#!/Occupy_Boston/status/124987729254686720 ... but the time should read 1:00PM Oct 14 21:26:15 why do you think everyone should get a handout benbella Oct 14 21:26:17 Most people aren't "geniuses" without some form of higher education. Oct 14 21:26:23 thanks Oct 14 21:26:28 Once again, not a handout but basic human rights. Oct 14 21:26:30 * AndrewVET has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 21:26:31 There is a difference. Oct 14 21:26:36 it might make sense to post that to the main website Oct 14 21:26:38 most people should not go to collage Oct 14 21:26:38 ciao Oct 14 21:26:41 Most people are not even WITH the higher education Oct 14 21:26:44 * OccupyBoston005 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 21:26:48 * AndrewVET (~AndrewVET@34.sub-39-922-839.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:26:51 * PitBullDan (~PitBullDa@19-57-3-09.client.mchsi.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:26:52 Some of the smartest people I know are highschool dropouts Oct 14 21:26:54 I don't believe people should be collecting welfare. I believe that there should be an influx of jobs and employmenmt. Oct 14 21:27:00 Welcome back, Andrew Oct 14 21:27:01 they educated themselves Oct 14 21:27:07 * PitBullDan has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 21:27:11 thanks Oct 14 21:27:14 Cool story but most of the "geniuses" have had higher education. Thats a fact. Oct 14 21:27:31 like who Oct 14 21:27:36 Albert Einstein Oct 14 21:27:39 Simple enough. Oct 14 21:27:47 Stop. Oct 14 21:27:53 Yes, that is correct. Oct 14 21:27:54 one person lol Oct 14 21:28:01 I proved you wrong. Oct 14 21:28:02 Not sure about most but a great number of.... Oct 14 21:28:10 Ben, no you didn't Oct 14 21:28:11 The genius of all geniuses. Oct 14 21:28:25 You were quantifying. Oct 14 21:28:31 I proved it. Oct 14 21:28:35 Maybe, but some people can go to school for 10 years and still have trouble with basic math Oct 14 21:28:37 He surely did but that does not cover most. Oct 14 21:28:46 benbella: Can you point to a report stating that most geniuses have had higher education? Oct 14 21:28:48 It doesn't matter, RB. Oct 14 21:29:13 I cannot. Look at every major figure in science and history. Oct 14 21:29:15 those are symantics ... whether or not someone needs higher education is irrelevant Oct 14 21:29:16 Id like to see that report too Oct 14 21:29:16 For the most part higher education is a joke Oct 14 21:29:16 His level of intelligence does not reflect HOW MANY people that were geniuses attended universities Oct 14 21:29:24 sorry there will always be the need of ditchdiggers and they don't need higher learning Oct 14 21:29:29 There is no such a report that exists. Oct 14 21:29:32 it should be open to everyone regardless of the neeed Oct 14 21:29:32 You want to know why? Oct 14 21:29:36 IT DOESNT MATTER Oct 14 21:29:36 benbella: then it is not a fact Oct 14 21:29:53 Based around an institutional system based on making money, they over charge students and over pay unqualified administrators Oct 14 21:29:58 -: Oct 14 21:30:11 Once again. Look at every major figure of science and history. Name one that had no college education. Oct 14 21:30:22 or any form of "higher education" Oct 14 21:30:27 Ben, do you agree with KHS? Oct 14 21:30:30 I think George Bush had a major impact on history Oct 14 21:30:32 back from the world occupy tour Oct 14 21:30:33 Because I do agree with that. Oct 14 21:30:58 Bill gates!!!! Oct 14 21:31:15 As it exists now, students are over charged. You want to know how to fix that? Oct 14 21:31:15 Exactly Oct 14 21:31:19 As an opinion... I do not have facts to say whether or not they over charge to be honest. Oct 14 21:31:23 did he not drop out of colage Oct 14 21:31:26 Make it a law that education has to be free. Oct 14 21:31:28 collage Oct 14 21:31:33 Get violent Oct 14 21:31:41 Bill Gates was not a scientist but nice try. Oct 14 21:31:45 it does not have to be free Oct 14 21:31:51 Ben, I like your idea... but I think it is too much. Oct 14 21:31:54 LOL Oct 14 21:31:56 Some people are just born smarter. Just like some people are born into wealth. Oct 14 21:31:56 you didn't say scientist Oct 14 21:31:58 Nothing is too much Oct 14 21:31:59 people are being provided a service therefor there should be a charge Oct 14 21:32:07 * aimee (~aimee@76-503-037-041.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:32:11 Yes, it is done in other countries... Oct 14 21:32:11 I said "SCIENCE AND HISTORY", Leftyfb. Can you read? Oct 14 21:32:13 you said "figure of science", which the technology sector is science Oct 14 21:32:17 however people should not exponentially profit from that charge Oct 14 21:32:23 Benbella I bet your mother still cleans your rooom. Oct 14 21:32:29 " Once again. Look at every major figure of science and history. Name one that had no college education." Oct 14 21:32:44 Bill Gates was a "figure of science" and did not graduate from college. Oct 14 21:32:49 I was talking about Scientists. Hence why I referenced Albert Einstein before? Oct 14 21:32:49 However I wouldn't sacrifice other things that make this country despite all the flaws, *cough* republicans, great. Oct 14 21:33:05 you were talking about geniuses Oct 14 21:33:12 Bill Gates made a shitload of money off the backs of millions of other people. He hardly qualifies. Oct 14 21:33:14 Steve Gates Oct 14 21:33:14 steve jobs Oct 14 21:33:22 HA Steve Jobs Oct 14 21:33:27 Just because he made your laptop doesn't mean he actually contributed to science. Oct 14 21:33:44 * freewill (~freewill@c-40-168-681-62.hsd2.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 21:33:45 Made the laptop useful Oct 14 21:33:47 Considering his role in Apple Oct 14 21:33:51 People you can not quantify arguments with outliers Oct 14 21:34:13 Anyhow... Ben is alright with me. Oct 14 21:34:13 Steve Jobs ... Bill Gates different from the norm Oct 14 21:34:15 sorry benbella should not attack like that Oct 14 21:34:20 * OccupyBoston616 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 21:34:20 benbella: actually, he, nor his company has ever made a laptop. Nor am I running his Operating System or any of his software. And he as well as Steve Jobs made some of the biggest contributions to science than anyone. Oct 14 21:34:22 I'm not attacking. Oct 14 21:34:31 What has occupy Boston accomplished? Oct 14 21:34:31 * OccupyBoston289 (~OccupyBos@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:34:43 Oh lord. More Steve Jobs flatulation. Oct 14 21:34:52 good assumption Oct 14 21:34:58 * OccupyBoston049 (~OccupyBos@j-02-901-030-579.hsd4.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:34:59 I don't own a single Apple-made computer Oct 14 21:35:07 Neither do I. Oct 14 21:35:11 Neither do I. Oct 14 21:35:13 But get over it. Oct 14 21:35:18 then don't make assumptions of people Oct 14 21:35:31 I was just using that as an example. Oct 14 21:35:31 and lose the attitude toward everyone in here. You're coming off as a troll yourself. Oct 14 21:35:34 Can someone tell me what occupy Boston has accomplished? Oct 14 21:35:42 KHS31: awareness Oct 14 21:35:44 I do need to find a Bandai/Apple Pippin game system though. Oct 14 21:35:46 I'm not a troll. I'm the only one making sense in here, actually. Oct 14 21:35:57 That's not true, Ben. Oct 14 21:35:57 benbella: Everyone thinks they're the one making sense Oct 14 21:36:01 that's it? Oct 14 21:36:08 awareness of what? Oct 14 21:36:16 However, I appreciate your ideas. Oct 14 21:36:18 * alleynoir has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi) Oct 14 21:36:22 KHS31: what are you looking for it to accomplish? Oct 14 21:36:25 Ben give it to me for free! Oct 14 21:36:28 * ooride (~0_0@nl39-390-49-726.oc.oc.cox.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:36:29 lol Oct 14 21:36:34 What do you want for free? Oct 14 21:36:43 AIR! Oct 14 21:36:59 The only one making sense?! Just the fact you aren't willing to consider the ideas of others proves you aren't making sense. Oct 14 21:37:01 I can't even fill my damn bike tire without having $0.50 to $1.00 Oct 14 21:37:01 * OccupyBoston049 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 21:37:11 * aimee has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 21:37:14 Air is still free, as far as I know. Some right-winger somewhere is probably looking to privitize that in someway though. Oct 14 21:37:35 How am I not willing to consider the ideas of others? Oct 14 21:37:53 I've responded to as much as I can. Oct 14 21:37:57 You said you were the only one making sense Oct 14 21:38:03 Yes, I believe that I am. Oct 14 21:38:05 benbella: because you are not open to anyone elses opinions or ideas. You are the end all be all of all ideas and opinions. Oct 14 21:38:08 He is considering... he is just considering them uesless. LOL Oct 14 21:38:13 hahaha Oct 14 21:38:42 Collage is not a right. Yes schooling up to highschool may be, but higher learning is not! Oct 14 21:38:46 * OccupyBoston597 (~OccupyBos@y-80-35-621-790.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:38:56 Collage or college? Oct 14 21:38:57 OccupyBoston289 why the distinction? Oct 14 21:39:03 OccupyBoston289: it is in other countries Oct 14 21:39:05 Just so I can be sure. Oct 14 21:39:08 This is absurd. Oct 14 21:39:13 Why just up to highschool then? Why not free higher ed? Oct 14 21:39:18 * aimee (~aimee@76-503-037-041.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:39:28 free higher education is unnecessary Oct 14 21:39:31 OccupyBoston289 is just trying to get a rise out of people. Oct 14 21:39:47 Exactly Oct 14 21:39:48 if you are intelligent enough you can go to school for free Oct 14 21:39:52 * OccupyBoston597 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 21:39:52 I am just asking... want to make sure we are not talking about a group of seemingly unorganized pictures Oct 14 21:39:53 No Oct 14 21:40:00 No you can't KHS31 Oct 14 21:40:01 * j0n4h (~j0n4h@v-68-25-33-973.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:40:07 ok, so Oct 14 21:40:13 You MAY be able to do so. Oct 14 21:40:15 actually yes Oct 14 21:40:20 someone give me a quick assessment of what is supposed to happen tomorrow Oct 14 21:40:34 who isn't? Oct 14 21:40:35 Perhaps that should be more of a constant. Oct 14 21:40:35 and are resolutions intentionally left unpublished now? Oct 14 21:40:43 KHS31. Yeah, like those scumbags that get foreclosed upon after they lose their jobs right? They are just sleeping outside or in shelters for no reason Oct 14 21:40:59 I am not sure, KHS.... but I imagine someone has not been able to. *shrug* Oct 14 21:41:10 Don't entertain the ignorance. Please someone update me on tomorrow. Oct 14 21:41:30 Thats bullshit. Schools except pep[le on the basis of whether or not they need a quarterback, or how much money your family has. Not how intelligent you are Oct 14 21:41:32 Education as a whole is a right. No one (especially people coming straight out of high school) needs to be plunged straight into debt. Oct 14 21:41:35 j0n4h: we're still working on getting GA meetings on the site/wiki in a timely fashion. Things are in a bit of a state of flux at the moment. After this weekend things should solidify. Oct 14 21:41:37 there are always way to go to school for free Oct 14 21:41:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @leftyfb around Park Street entrances/exits, on the Common. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125021530521477120 Oct 14 21:41:46 There where some people that did take out home loans that they could not pay. Why should other tax payers pay for it? Oct 14 21:41:59 The latter is family money Oct 14 21:42:13 The former is true for those institutions that fund via sports Oct 14 21:42:24 Taxpayers should pay for it because it will beinifit them in the long run Oct 14 21:42:25 KHS31 yes European Citizenship... Oct 14 21:42:29 it's true for any university Oct 14 21:42:32 This week, of all weeks, GA resolutions should be published. Take me, for instance, one of, I'm sure many, that need to be updated on what the assembly has agreed to for this weekend. Oct 14 21:42:33 There are some schools that reward academic execellence Oct 14 21:42:33 or college Oct 14 21:42:40 Have smart poepl in society benefits everyone Oct 14 21:42:43 how, and not trying to be a troll Oct 14 21:42:56 ;;; Oct 14 21:42:57 Not sure if this has been posted, but here's a video of Immortal Technique giving a great summation of the whole #occupy phenomenon: http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh08TGU2n2282aKE2S Oct 14 21:42:57 * OccupyBoston146 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 21:43:03 * OccupyBoston289 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 21:43:10 solve contemporary problems like global warming Oct 14 21:43:20 they reward it but all schools have their limits Oct 14 21:43:26 The underground battle hiphop mc? Oct 14 21:43:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] First they ignore you, then they make fun of you, then they attack you, then you win. #occupyboston #occupywallstreet - http://twitter.com/ZeeScarlet/statuses/125023594425229313 Oct 14 21:43:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Coast Guard warns members to not wear uniforms in vicinity of #OccupyBoston after one person is spit on: http://t.co/8oqb7CFg - http://twitter.com/FWMReporter/statuses/125023660607143936 Oct 14 21:43:29 solve domestic problems first Oct 14 21:43:39 * OccupyBoston620 (~OccupyBos@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:43:42 RBInfinity: yeah Oct 14 21:43:48 ----------------->>>> So, that said: What has the GA reached conclusively for tomorrow? Oct 14 21:43:52 these are all facinating side issues, but side issues none the less... Oct 14 21:43:58 Has Akrobatik said anything yet? Oct 14 21:44:24 Not that I've seen. But ImmortalTech's been incredibly insightful about the whole thing so far Oct 14 21:44:24 Does this movement support free speech? Oct 14 21:44:29 Yes. Oct 14 21:44:34 What is free speech? Oct 14 21:44:35 Coolio, Welt. Oct 14 21:44:36 Serious question? Oct 14 21:44:41 NO you must be quiet Oct 14 21:44:48 a silent revolution Oct 14 21:44:54 Mumbles wants you quiet Oct 14 21:44:58 * OccupyBoston770 (~OccupyBos@dccz-03-50-062-994.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:45:08 We support free speech. Doesn't mean that we have to agree with you, but you're entitled to your share of time to be heard Oct 14 21:45:12 ----------------->>>> What has the GA reached conclusively for tomorrow? Oct 14 21:45:17 OccupyBoston620: yes Oct 14 21:45:24 Are Fascists allowed to speak at these things? Oct 14 21:45:32 If so why do I keep being kick, when not being a troll and just asking ? Oct 14 21:45:38 j0n4h: we don't know yet. None of us are at the GA Oct 14 21:45:42 Are Fascists allowed in here? Oct 14 21:45:46 no fascism, only socialism Oct 14 21:45:50 OccupyBoston620: when were you kicked? Oct 14 21:46:14 Like 4 times in the last 20 mins. Oct 14 21:46:20 Are there name collisions perhaps? Oct 14 21:46:24 --------------->>> leftyfb: Thanks for the response. There's no one in the media tent logged in? Oct 14 21:46:27 If the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan wanted to come speak in Boston at a demonstration, would he be allowed? Oct 14 21:46:28 * OccupyBoston732 (~OccupyBos@q-02-17-555-933.hsd4.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:46:40 Ummm, probably. Oct 14 21:46:44 Why? Oct 14 21:46:45 OccupyBoston620: you haven't been kicked at all. You might have disconnected or there might have been a temporary network split. Oct 14 21:46:47 there would be restrictions to the grand wizard Oct 14 21:46:48 I expect he could get on stack fro 2min ... Oct 14 21:46:51 ben: Sure. He might not be well recieved, but he could probably speak. Oct 14 21:46:57 He would be allowed he just wouldn;t get out alive Oct 14 21:46:59 much like there are restrictions to everyone Oct 14 21:47:00 Why should he be allowed to speak? Oct 14 21:47:04 free speech does not automatically equate to acceptance of message Oct 14 21:47:07 He'd do ok, unfort. Oct 14 21:47:12 benbella: The GA would vote on allowing him to speak. Oct 14 21:47:27 @leftyfb that is more likely true Oct 14 21:47:28 .. Oct 14 21:47:35 Why would he? He's the member of a hateful, white supremacist organization Oct 14 21:47:38 hhh Oct 14 21:47:40 * OccupyBoston620 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 21:47:41 I would assume that if he wanted to speak, he'd have to go through the same process as anyone else who wanted to speak at the GA Oct 14 21:47:44 * OccupyBoston1111 (~OccupyBos@98.504.559.37.cfl.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:47:45 free speech that could possibly incite a riot is restricted Oct 14 21:47:55 * Occupy (~Occupy@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:47:56 * OccupyBoston732 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 21:48:01 He would probably be boo-d and counter-argued Oct 14 21:48:03 Then it's not Free Speech. Which is good because that is a bunk concept. Oct 14 21:48:17 I think he'd have supporters to tell you the truth. Oct 14 21:48:26 Occupy the central artery??????? Oct 14 21:48:29 Which would be harmful to the movement. Oct 14 21:48:29 benbella: You're saying Free Speech is a bunk concept? Oct 14 21:48:41 OK, later peoples... Oct 14 21:48:42 its just like you cant yell fire in a crowded thearter Oct 14 21:48:44 Free Speech that allows white supremacy is bunk. Oct 14 21:48:45 * jon (~jon@q-79-12-634-106.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 21:48:56 why Oct 14 21:49:02 I wish, Ben... but it is not. Oct 14 21:49:08 I disagree. We need free speech to find out who the white supremecists are so they can be voted against Oct 14 21:49:16 what about black supemacy Oct 14 21:49:29 * WesternMA (~WesternMA@f-47-180-24-5.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:49:32 Black supremacy doesn't exist. There is black nationalism which is progressive. Oct 14 21:49:40 Hidden hate is worse than open hate, as far as I'm concerned Oct 14 21:49:43 Supremacy, period? Oct 14 21:49:49 Look at the word Oct 14 21:49:55 lol ben whats the differants Oct 14 21:50:04 Who do I talk to about camping out tomorrow night (Saturday)? How do I reach the logistics people? Oct 14 21:50:08 A big difference actually. Oct 14 21:50:13 There is a difference, Occupy. Oct 14 21:50:18 Not big but there is Oct 14 21:50:33 Black nationalism generally attracts more progressive people who want a better society. Oct 14 21:50:45 Its ok for blacks to hate , but whites can not? Oct 14 21:50:51 It should but not necessarily. Oct 14 21:50:53 * ctw has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 21:51:02 not taken sides but.... Oct 14 21:51:03 Black nationalists dont hate white people. Oct 14 21:51:04 Occupy... those are two different sects. Oct 14 21:51:06 Where do we drop stuff for the food drive? Logistics? Are we going to bring it over as a group? Oct 14 21:51:13 I don't know why you are making these idiotic assumptions. Oct 14 21:51:14 WesternMA: occupybostonmedia@gmail.com Oct 14 21:51:24 We're referring to two different groups. Oct 14 21:51:45 There's a difference between hating people and hating a system as well. Oct 14 21:51:48 I like how in the Middle East and in North Africa, when a generation becomes overly educated and realizes that they situation in life isn't what they had imagine, they revolt. Here, we overly educate the overly educated Oct 14 21:51:50 Ben, he is referring to those that are beyond nationalism. Oct 14 21:52:06 Welt's got it. Oct 14 21:52:41 Black nationalists generally don't hate white people. I've said it before. They hate the system of white supremacy. Oct 14 21:52:59 not true Oct 14 21:53:00 That is the legitimate difference. Oct 14 21:53:06 Actually, it is true. Oct 14 21:53:07 No, Ben is right there. Oct 14 21:53:18 * calliope (~calliecha@50.12.ujx.ujy) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:53:20 If you would like some reading enjoyment http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-10-12.html Oct 14 21:53:25 However... there are those that go beyond or outside of that agenda, Oct 14 21:53:28 Ann Coulter. Hah Oct 14 21:53:28 Lits not generalize Oct 14 21:53:38 There is such thing as white privilage, that's a fact, and it's possible to work against it without "hating" white people. Oct 14 21:53:39 I forget she exists from time to time. Oct 14 21:53:52 Once again... Welt's got it. Oct 14 21:53:53 just read it haha Oct 14 21:53:57 * OccupyBoston143 (~OccupyBos@a-23-061-594-064.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:53:57 LOL, Ben. Oct 14 21:54:13 I'd like to continue forgetting, Oct 14 21:54:22 Everyone has privelage of one form or another Oct 14 21:54:28 her interview on Hannity was even better than this article Oct 14 21:54:40 we have "white people" problems Oct 14 21:54:57 She's no Cheryl Cole, nee Tweedy. Oct 14 21:54:59 * OccupyBoston785 (~OccupyBos@j-02-901-030-579.hsd4.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:55:06 Oh... what she had to say? Oct 14 21:55:06 THough at this stage of the game, I'd even dispute what "white privilage" really includes. To me the most dangerous thing about racism at this point is that it's a tool of class opression rather than race opression. Oct 14 21:55:07 Oops. Oct 14 21:55:31 * WesternMA has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 21:55:34 No... it is race opression still Oct 14 21:55:47 Yup. Oct 14 21:55:51 Oh it is, but I think the idea of race has broadened. Oct 14 21:56:11 There is a separate class opression that potentially overlaps. Oct 14 21:56:30 * OccupyBoston846 (~OccupyBos@101-0-88-267.c5-9.ded-ubr6.sbo-ded.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:56:32 Hmmm... All in the Family example Oct 14 21:56:32 * OccupyBoston785 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 21:56:46 I'm from the south originally, and there are people there who are impoverished who still count themselves lucky because "at least we're white" Oct 14 21:56:57 Archie isn't really keen on black folk. Oct 14 21:56:58 "white problems" Oct 14 21:57:04 Sorry did not go to collage, and see other races getting privilages in the trades I work in. Once again not trying to be a troll trying to understand. Oct 14 21:57:10 go to Liberia for 2 hours Oct 14 21:57:11 * OccupyBoston846 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 21:57:15 ghhh Oct 14 21:57:15 BUT... George Jefferson is kind of alright... he owns a home, a business, etc. Oct 14 21:57:17 * Occupy has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 21:57:20 heh Oct 14 21:57:26 and he doesn't like white people all that much. Oct 14 21:57:30 * OccupyBoston881 (~OccupyBos@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 21:57:31 Bill Cosby was a doctor, you know Oct 14 21:57:39 I watched too much TV growing up, sorry. Oct 14 21:57:56 He also hates this current generation Oct 14 21:57:59 Can we drop this subject please? It's not really relevant to the financial issues with this country and there are people who are put off and even offended by this discussion. Oct 14 21:58:06 Archie identified with George Oct 14 21:58:10 Not to get off topic, but I'm curious what the movement's position is on student loans and student loan debt Oct 14 21:58:10 True. Oct 14 21:58:12 RIP Oct 14 21:58:15 Thank you Oct 14 21:58:16 How about Good Times? Oct 14 21:58:19 Sorry. Oct 14 21:58:25 I'm done. Oct 14 21:58:37 Student loans....I'm not going to pay them Oct 14 21:58:42 OccupyBoston143: There hasn't been an official consensus on that subject yet Oct 14 21:59:04 Student loans don't, to me, seem to be an issue... Oct 14 21:59:05 * leftyfb removes channel operator status from leftyfb Oct 14 21:59:05 Do you know if and when one will be reached? Oct 14 21:59:10 will have to the will take it out of your pay like child sipport Oct 14 21:59:21 I think the unofficial consensus is forgiveness Oct 14 21:59:25 OccupyBoston143: not sure. Attend a GA meeting and voice your request for one. Oct 14 21:59:30 The Hulk was green, and everybody was afraid of him, but he was nice. Hellboy was reed, but his fishguy friend was blue, and he was really smart. There's a lesson there, people! Oct 14 21:59:39 that is directly based upon business greed overrunning governmeny. Oct 14 21:59:41 Is it? Oct 14 21:59:45 What are these GA meetings? Oct 14 21:59:47 Unfortunately, most of those meetings occur at times when I'm not able to attend Oct 14 21:59:52 GA is general assembly, right? Oct 14 22:00:00 yes Oct 14 22:00:01 when and where do they occur? Oct 14 22:00:06 * boston (~boston@p-70-56-221-613.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 22:00:09 Student loans can be taken out of your pay check! Oct 14 22:00:09 usually 7PM at night that goes pretty late Oct 14 22:00:14 KHS31: at the camp Oct 14 22:00:25 At least 1pm is early Oct 14 22:00:35 I cant be at the GA but can someone please voice the idea of 0% loans it is at least plausable Oct 14 22:00:37 My personal "ideal" is to see some sort of civil service corps established that would pay for a college degree after 4 years of service upon graduation of highschool. Sort of like the military, but without making people risk their lives for tuition. Oct 14 22:00:40 Can't hide from them Oct 14 22:00:42 there's one in the morning that discusses internal issues Oct 14 22:00:43 at least over foregiveness Oct 14 22:01:12 So, then, are most people in this chat room members of the actual encampment? Or people who are trying to learn more? Oct 14 22:01:25 I am trying to learn more. Oct 14 22:01:27 I'm a member of the encampment. Oct 14 22:01:28 I'm back and forth between Dewey and home Oct 14 22:01:30 I'm trying to learn if it's worth my time to get involved Oct 14 22:01:31 I dont even need student loans Im on the GI Bill but I have had alot of discussions with people about this Oct 14 22:01:32 Though I'm not there now. Oct 14 22:01:35 I'm an hour south of Boston. Oct 14 22:01:41 * OccupyBoston770 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 22:01:48 I cant camp out. Oct 14 22:01:51 OccupyBoston143: it's a mix .... I visit the camp on occasion and try to help out Oct 14 22:01:54 Im trying to learn more Oct 14 22:01:55 AndrewVet, I'm a vet too. I'd like to see the opportunity arise for some non-military version of the GI bill Oct 14 22:01:58 My tent is right next to logistics and legal. Oct 14 22:02:06 Doubt there is #OccupyNewBedford Oct 14 22:02:10 <<<----- USMC vet Oct 14 22:02:18 How is everyone connected to the Internet? Oct 14 22:02:18 oorah Oct 14 22:02:20 I'm just curious Oct 14 22:02:23 USMC Oct 14 22:02:26 I go to UMassBoston and there are a lot of really brifht people there who are going to get hammered when they graduate because they'll be in so much debt. :( Oct 14 22:02:29 There is a program where if you work for 1 non-profit full time and pay your student loans on time for 10 years they will be forgiven. Oct 14 22:02:31 Broadband cards, I assume. Oct 14 22:02:35 I was Army. Oct 14 22:02:36 * OccupyBoston311 (~OccupyBos@rzwn-59-941-00-947.cncdnh.fast.myfairpoint.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 22:02:46 BHCC Oct 14 22:02:49 I got nothing but love for vets in the movement Oct 14 22:02:51 143: A wireless network I setup that is using a wireless hotspot Oct 14 22:02:51 The cost is...uh, costly, Welt. Oct 14 22:03:14 The system cant support a civilian GI Bill Oct 14 22:03:17 I'm not sure what that means Oct 14 22:03:19 * OccupyBoston511 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 22:03:20 that it is. What irritates me most is that the people I'm going to school with are often holding down full time jobs in concert with school. Oct 14 22:03:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @ZeeScarlet: People who attack #occupyboston , in defense of grass and lack of showers, do so because they CAN'T attack their message. Transparent. - http://twitter.com/mungo141/statuses/125028785191006208 Oct 14 22:03:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @exposeliberals: #OccupyBoston slugs now spitting on female military members http://t.co/jKaqVaMS #tcot #tlot #sgp #hhrs #Ocra - http://twitter.com/jjliberty/statuses/125028795232169986 Oct 14 22:03:26 It's just wireless service that exists in the area? Oct 14 22:03:35 leftyfb: You're using a broadband card to broadcast the wireless signal? Oct 14 22:03:37 I think OC should make buttons and distribute them. Who do I talk to about that idea? Oct 14 22:03:47 trying to learn more Oct 14 22:03:54 student loans are the next economic collapse. We have people leaving school with $120k+ in debt with a major in sociology. They'll never pay it back. Oct 14 22:03:57 j0n4h: yes Oct 14 22:03:59 * OccupyBoston625 (~OccupyBos@155.33.pm.hs) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 22:04:01 Outreach. Oct 14 22:04:05 * OccupyBoston625 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 22:04:14 thanks Oct 14 22:04:20 at least with a degree is soc. you can get a job.... Oct 14 22:04:21 ----------------->> I would think OUTREACH would be the proper work group. Oct 14 22:04:21 people have no business getting theses loans in the first place Oct 14 22:04:23 Cost is too high in my opinion... Oct 14 22:04:26 no one made you take out 120k in student loans! Oct 14 22:04:32 I agree Oct 14 22:04:39 we kind of went over this earlier with Ben Oct 14 22:04:40 Also, Tshirts would be nice. Oct 14 22:04:43 guess who backs these loans Oct 14 22:04:44 OB881: the market made people take out 120k Oct 14 22:04:45 I would wear my Tshirt all day. Oct 14 22:04:50 blame the collages not the banks Oct 14 22:04:51 our wonderful government Oct 14 22:04:53 e'ryday Oct 14 22:05:03 The banks don't help Oct 14 22:05:07 THEY HURT. Oct 14 22:05:10 I think. Oct 14 22:05:12 I think cowbell's would make a larger impact than t-shirts Oct 14 22:05:13 Tshits would be nice, but more costly Oct 14 22:05:15 http://studentaid.ed.gov/students/attachments/siteresources/LoanForgivenessv4.pdf Oct 14 22:05:20 occupy the deans offices like the 60's Oct 14 22:05:20 the cost is high so they can give cheaper learning to the poor :P Oct 14 22:05:21 * OccupyBoston570 (~OccupyBos@204.45.ops.wur) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 22:05:26 I do not owe. Oct 14 22:05:27 The banks would not give these loans if they werent backed Oct 14 22:05:35 Don't you think that student loan debt is a choice, though? Oct 14 22:05:43 People would surely donate for tshirt costs. Oct 14 22:05:45 thus Colleges would be forced to lower their tuition Oct 14 22:05:52 The prevailing narrative in the united states has been that a college diploma is the key to upward mobility. The Banks have acted in concert with increasingly corpratized university administrations to extract as much cash out of potential workers before they can even enter the labor force. Oct 14 22:06:08 And the people there could screen print theirs. Oct 14 22:06:15 the cost is high so they can pay their media and communication departments to advertise for their school to bring in more unqualified bodies to pay tuition to fund and pad the pockets of over paid professors and administrators Oct 14 22:06:18 I have to say... from what I recall reading, the banks don't exactly rake you over the coals for education like they ddo in the rest of the private sector Oct 14 22:06:36 silkscreen* or stenciling Oct 14 22:06:38 well people have there own mind and need not fall for this everyone needs to go to collage. Oct 14 22:06:39 not necesarily...if you want to go to a goodprogram in your field and the program that will 'get you somewhere' it's either go into debt to receive great education, or settle for a cheaper institution. Oct 14 22:06:43 banks dont set the ridiculous costs of schooling Oct 14 22:06:54 .. Oct 14 22:06:59 I mean their rates. Oct 14 22:07:03 I know they don't. Oct 14 22:07:04 they prompetuate it Oct 14 22:07:06 * OccupyBoston881 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 22:07:18 They were, at last read, fairly reasonable. Oct 14 22:07:20 * OccupyBoston173 (~OccupyBos@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 22:07:26 But no one forces anyone to go to college Oct 14 22:07:29 Does anyone know of an email for Outreach? Oct 14 22:07:30 it's a choice made out of free will Oct 14 22:07:31 * OccupyBoston324 (~OccupyBos@m-97-613-122-763.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 22:07:31 I am probably talking 1990's though Oct 14 22:07:32 Right? Oct 14 22:07:32 you can't say the banks don't set the price if you are going to argue for free-market forces. Oct 14 22:07:33 * calliope has quit () Oct 14 22:07:51 * AndrewVET has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 22:07:54 No, if you're willing to make 30k and below annually, skip out on college. Oct 14 22:08:17 well im glad i decided to work labor related jobs instead of spending a fortune on a degree...unfortunately ill be paying my wifes off forever Oct 14 22:08:20 The whole system even shames one who is without a "proper education". Oct 14 22:08:25 or get a trade Oct 14 22:08:27 Well... my brother did not complete college but worked at a biochem place. Oct 14 22:08:34 I make a good living and never went to college and make more then 30k Oct 14 22:08:38 I know plenty of people who've thrived without degrees Oct 14 22:08:51 getting a trade is good, but it's increasingly difficult to do, and even getting a trade costs lots of cash in many circumstances Oct 14 22:08:58 look, in 1970, tuition for all in school students in state colleges and universities was $50 Oct 14 22:09:05 Plenty is NOT the majority. Oct 14 22:09:07 I'm a career academic Oct 14 22:09:08 He was making as much as the grad. students and the college graduated. Oct 14 22:09:19 The economy is different because we're competing with different countries and industries than we were even ten years ago Oct 14 22:09:24 harvard in 1970 had a tuition of $4070 Oct 14 22:09:28 it's much better than ever needing a paying job Oct 14 22:09:29 Eh... I can't type this story. Oct 14 22:09:29 So, of course it's different to get into a trade now Oct 14 22:09:31 Again, your brother is NOT the majority. Oct 14 22:09:33 I been going to school for 8 years. Just for a 2 year degree. THe fact is some people are more lucky that others. Oct 14 22:09:39 There aren't many jobs around for "general laborer" anymore, and unless you have family in the electrician/plumbing/carpentry/whatever it costs a lot of cash to get certified for a trade Oct 14 22:09:42 i make 50-60k with no college... cost 2500 bucks for a CDL course :P Oct 14 22:09:48 But, again--taking out loans, going to school--it's all a choice Oct 14 22:10:02 the fact that the average public school costs as much as private schools back then is obscene Oct 14 22:10:21 That's not a factual statement Oct 14 22:10:26 The choice is removed when considering job qualifications. Oct 14 22:10:34 The tuition at most UMass schools, annually, is about $7,000 Oct 14 22:10:38 ahh, another problem with America Oct 14 22:10:42 public education.... Oct 14 22:10:43 haha cdl course there you go got my for free from my job that I worked my way up in!!! Oct 14 22:10:45 the usa USED TO have pretty much free higher education in state schools Oct 14 22:10:47 143, it's 7000 per semester Oct 14 22:10:52 Good luck getting a respectful science career without a education in science. Oct 14 22:10:53 No, it's not Oct 14 22:10:59 Tuition Oct 14 22:11:01 It must be Oct 14 22:11:02 Not room and board Oct 14 22:11:07 fees baby Oct 14 22:11:07 in 1970, that was about 50 bucks Oct 14 22:11:08 fees Oct 14 22:11:10 Not every one is cut out to be a truck driver Oct 14 22:11:13 Or it is not an average but a low Oct 14 22:11:14 Go to the UMass website (websites) and check Oct 14 22:11:21 * calliope (~calliecha@50.12.ujx.ujy) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 22:11:23 It's all displayed in black and white Oct 14 22:11:36 Education is NECESSARY for MANY careers. Oct 14 22:11:39 I go to UMB and I get a pill per semsester Oct 14 22:11:43 I think even community college is hitting the $5K mark Oct 14 22:11:44 bill rather Oct 14 22:11:56 Not everyone is cut out to be a collage student! Oct 14 22:11:57 Adios! Oct 14 22:11:58 Community college in Massachusetts costs $300 per class Oct 14 22:12:04 UNPARALLELED SCHOOL DEBT, however, is UNNECESSARY. Oct 14 22:12:05 or, about $110 per credit Oct 14 22:12:19 $4800 roughly then Oct 14 22:12:22 SS wil run out,i feel sorry for the children Oct 14 22:12:24 ... for? Oct 14 22:12:31 * Plantiful (~Plantiful@cath-832-14-16-40.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 22:12:33 Fall 2011 Full-Time Tuition and Fees per semester Oct 14 22:12:36 you can't earn more than an associate's degree from a community college Oct 14 22:12:37 For an overload of courses. Oct 14 22:12:38 I went to Massasoit Oct 14 22:12:39 http://thebackbench.blogspot.com/2007/08/tuition-at-university-of-california.html Oct 14 22:12:43 (Mass. Resident)$7,419.50 Oct 14 22:12:45 so, essentially Oct 14 22:12:47 * OccupyBoston324 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 22:12:50 I think I took about 8 per Oct 14 22:12:50 you can read about a typical case of tuition creep here Oct 14 22:12:50 \and got a full scholarship to UMass Oct 14 22:12:55 if you were to take a full 5-course load per semester, it'd cost $1,500 Oct 14 22:12:59 Its not the point Oct 14 22:13:04 most people take five Oct 14 22:13:05 Ok, education can be expensive. But by many accounts, one makes more money and one's children have a 'better' life. Oct 14 22:13:13 "The Regents acted on February 20 to provide for an increase in the admission fee for 1970-71 over present levels in the amount of $150 a year or $50 a quarter, which means that the fee will be $320 plus $150—about $470 per year. In 1971-72 the fees will go up an additional $150 and reach the neighborhood of $600, having doubled over a two-year period. This is for undergraduates. Because of Reagan amendments to the modified Hitc Oct 14 22:13:18 Good idea Oct 14 22:13:27 That's excluding mandatory healthcare. Oct 14 22:13:34 Which is an additional grand annually. Oct 14 22:13:34 I go to Bunker Hill. The same building they held Malcom X and executed Oct 14 22:13:36 Damn I was killing myself. Oct 14 22:13:39 The last time I checked, student insurance rates were low Oct 14 22:13:53 1200 a year at umass Oct 14 22:13:54 today tuition in the UCs are about 8000 per year Oct 14 22:13:57 I'm obviously speaking from the other side of your movement Oct 14 22:13:59 Low is a relative term. Oct 14 22:14:01 got quiet :P Oct 14 22:14:01 I'm just trying to present one point Oct 14 22:14:02 they are approximately $1,200 per semester Oct 14 22:14:09 * OccupyBoston311 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 22:14:12 * OccupyBoston977 (~OccupyBos@rzwn-59-941-00-947.cncdnh.fast.myfairpoint.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 22:14:17 on top of the 7500 a semester for tuition/fees per semester Oct 14 22:14:17 * OccupyBoston074 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 22:14:23 But if you argue with opinion and not fact, you're not going to get more people on your side Oct 14 22:14:25 * OccupyBoston465 (~OccupyBos@v-54-446-993-79.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 22:14:29 Listen, I attended BHCC for a year, and the ACTUAL cost is GREATER than the PROJECTED cost. Oct 14 22:14:38 143 your facts have been all wrong so far Oct 14 22:14:39 You also need living expenses. Oct 14 22:14:45 Right Oct 14 22:14:50 So... back to Wall Street. Oct 14 22:14:52 You can't just live off of your good looks while attending school. Oct 14 22:15:00 Who said I did? Oct 14 22:15:08 I'm currently at a school in Boston that tuition+cost of living is around 50k per year Oct 14 22:15:09 I do work for a privately held company... Oct 14 22:15:18 * OccupyBoston465 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 22:15:19 Are they just as guilty as publicly owned? Oct 14 22:15:24 Things I've presented: college is a choice, not mandatory Oct 14 22:15:31 RBI: Depends, honestly Oct 14 22:15:32 the point is that our next economic collapse wil come from student loans not being paid back. I feel it is the goverment's fault. They back these bogus loan that the bank would never give out otherwise. If the goverment would stop backing them, then people would be unable to afford the ridiculous tuitions. THus they would have to lower their prices Oct 14 22:15:38 I attended both UMass schools and community colleges, and I'm correct in the cost of their tuition Oct 14 22:15:46 And those are the facts I've presented Oct 14 22:15:50 All of which can be confirmed Oct 14 22:16:00 subjective facts Oct 14 22:16:02 I absolutely believe you, 143. Oct 14 22:16:06 How is tuition a subjective fact? Oct 14 22:16:12 It's math Oct 14 22:16:15 It's not opinion Oct 14 22:16:15 It is what it is. Oct 14 22:16:21 why are we arguing about specific costs at various colleges? Oct 14 22:16:23 You can make it cost more. Oct 14 22:16:23 how is anything a subjective fact? Oct 14 22:16:25 So, in other words, for less than $1500 a semester, a student can be fed, housed, and provided an education? Oct 14 22:16:28 Is that your claim?> Oct 14 22:16:31 Did I say that? Oct 14 22:16:36 I said that college is a choice Oct 14 22:16:39 That's what I said Oct 14 22:16:42 the government loves to back things... they are addicted to spending OUR MONEY on whatever "cause" or "project" they want Oct 14 22:16:53 College is a choice if you want to be a plumber, true. Oct 14 22:16:58 Fed and housed is not included... is it? Oct 14 22:17:04 No. Oct 14 22:17:05 And I cited the cost of tuition at UMass and community college, not including fees or room and board Oct 14 22:17:11 Oki doke. Oct 14 22:17:11 My point is such, RBI. Oct 14 22:17:17 Nothing wrong with being a plumber if you can actually get the licences Oct 14 22:17:18 College is not for everyone and is a choice. Thanks Oct 14 22:17:21 Okay, then the quote is nonworking. Oct 14 22:17:22 * OccupyBoston173 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 22:17:23 well, it's a fact that the accessibility of education has objectively declined since 1970 Oct 14 22:17:29 It's a nonfunctional quote, Oct 14 22:17:31 * OccupyBoston006 (~OccupyBos@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 22:17:35 that is a fact Oct 14 22:17:44 gwoo agreed Oct 14 22:17:45 I attended college after attending a vocational high school. Oct 14 22:17:49 * OccupyBoston991 (~OccupyBos@xqzo-12-228-197-713.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 22:17:54 tuition was $50 at all state schools in 1970 Oct 14 22:17:59 Most VoTech schools aren't doing that well these days Oct 14 22:18:04 sadly Oct 14 22:18:11 today, for in state students, a typical stat university charges 7000-10000 Oct 14 22:18:17 In the generation prior to mine, they thought that was an anomaly. Oct 14 22:18:19 Blame the Governor for that Oct 14 22:18:21 *shrug* Oct 14 22:18:28 If you don't have parents who can support your basic needs, the cost of education is much greater than tuition alone, you understand this? Oct 14 22:18:29 Well I think a majority of people out protesting are recent college grads that can't get a job Oct 14 22:18:34 I agree with 143- government backed loans will only increase tuition costs: demand increases, and a government loan is "Easy money". One thing that could be done, constructively, is to require that tuition costs to the school are set for 4-5 years (or whatever duration for a particular degree) so that the student knows what s/he is committing to. Oct 14 22:18:47 For instance, I need to save up, attend school, take a break, save up, attend school. Oct 14 22:18:47 * OccupyBoston386 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 22:19:02 * Kt|Away has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 14 22:19:09 of course it costs more than just tuition Oct 14 22:19:11 * OccupyBoston751 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 22:19:12 * OccupyBoston991 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 22:19:15 0% that AndrewVET proposed is a nice idea but not sure how much that helps Oct 14 22:19:16 * OccupyBoston278 (~OccupyBos@xqzo-12-228-197-713.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 22:19:19 but a fucking 8k tuition makes things harder, doesn't it? Oct 14 22:19:19 Well, tell 143 this. Oct 14 22:19:33 Listen, gwoo, you're preaching to the choir. Oct 14 22:19:33 Tell me ... ? Oct 14 22:19:39 * Gnome has quit (Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )) Oct 14 22:19:44 What happened to this country where everyone things everything should be handed to them for free. Oct 14 22:19:56 What a totally useless statement. Oct 14 22:20:02 006 Oct 14 22:20:10 Typical rhetoric, though. Oct 14 22:20:12 Ask Benbella....sorry, Ben. Had to. Oct 14 22:20:26 its simple... most people make as bad of choices on their money as the government does with our tax funds.... get the special interests and OUT OF CONTROL spending away from the govt.. Oct 14 22:20:30 Free hand outs ended with the advent supply side economics Oct 14 22:20:32 At what point did someone claim that everythign should be handed to them, 006? Oct 14 22:20:47 * OccupyBoston278 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 22:20:50 well keep hearning I should get free collage. Oct 14 22:21:12 Really? I belive the topic of discussion was outrageous cost of education. Oct 14 22:21:28 Which is quite the opposite of free, don't you think? Oct 14 22:21:37 Look at the costs for private institutions! Oct 14 22:21:38 Sorry keep getting booted for some reason. Oct 14 22:21:41 Tuition surely needs to be reduced. Oct 14 22:21:47 $50,000 a year..... Oct 14 22:21:49 006: you're not being kicked Oct 14 22:21:58 leftyfb: lol Oct 14 22:22:09 Think he means, server kicked, not moderator kicked. Oct 14 22:22:10 believe* Oct 14 22:22:17 Here you go Oct 14 22:22:18 what was the deal with a coast guard member being assaulted? Oct 14 22:22:24 Here's why college costs are so high: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/student-loan-racket-complete-infographic Oct 14 22:22:30 * OccupyBoston977 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 22:22:34 * OccupyBoston891 (~OccupyBos@rzwn-59-941-00-947.cncdnh.fast.myfairpoint.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 22:22:36 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @blogdiva: ugh RT @melissaswebster: HELP!!! Mayor KICKING #occupyatlanta OUT to clean Park tomorrow 10-4pm. Tents, etc must be remove ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125032815120224256 Oct 14 22:22:40 KHS31: ask the person that spit on here ... who hasn't been confirmed to have been associated with Occupy Boston Oct 14 22:23:10 No proof that CG person was accosted by anyone associated with OB. Oct 14 22:23:19 I think it the sever Oct 14 22:23:21 So you're saying Fox News is inaccurate?!? Oct 14 22:23:26 llloooollll Oct 14 22:23:27 KHS31: crazy right? Oct 14 22:23:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Video from @occupyStLouis today: http://t.co/ksGr3kxB #inspired via @redlotusblossom #ows #occupystl #occupysf #occupychi #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/OccupyPics/statuses/125033773132816385 Oct 14 22:23:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] SOLIDARITY AND PEACE TO #occupywallstreet #occupypdx #occupyportland #occupyboston #occupyseattle #occupyla #occupysf - http://twitter.com/shawnfleek/statuses/125033820461342720 Oct 14 22:23:30 KHS, perfect. Oct 14 22:23:32 it needs to turn into occupy White House lawn for something to really happen.... imo Oct 14 22:23:38 * OccupyBoston143 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 22:23:49 ARGH! Oct 14 22:23:53 8.8% Oct 14 22:24:12 Collection fees? Oct 14 22:24:18 occupy boston should become occupy the central artery Oct 14 22:24:38 for better or worse Oct 14 22:24:39 People should take the lawn of the white house, true. Oct 14 22:24:48 However, if I go anywhere, I'll lose my place. Oct 14 22:24:54 I'll lose my job. Oct 14 22:25:02 I believe many people have the same thinking. Oct 14 22:25:09 * OccupyBoston536 (~OccupyBos@iatz-343.90.09.642.sisqtel.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 22:25:10 So you protest where you can. Oct 14 22:25:28 * OccupyBoston707 (~OccupyBos@429-448-13-555.c6-8.sbo-ubr9.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 22:25:32 would be shot once you touch the lawn of the white house Oct 14 22:25:35 KHS31: or we could not purposefully break the law and get arrested while simultaneously holding up traffic and pissing off a good amount of the 99% Oct 14 22:25:52 FOX News doesn't even attempt to disguise how inaccurate and biased they are. Oct 14 22:26:15 Remember how they shopped those pictures of the those politicians they were doing their best to debase? Oct 14 22:26:20 They believe they are doing the "right" a justice by combating the "left" wing based news. Oct 14 22:26:34 they do a wonderful job Oct 14 22:26:49 Fox News is biased but so is every other news station Oct 14 22:26:51 At making themselves fools. Oct 14 22:27:02 Fox News is not a real news organization. Oct 14 22:27:03 OccupyWS did a fine job with Geraldo! Oct 14 22:27:04 Blowhards and decent looking women... Oct 14 22:27:09 The majority are liberal biased Oct 14 22:27:14 Breaking the law is the key fixing the system Oct 14 22:27:15 Yup. Oct 14 22:27:18 i hate all news... every 1 is sided to 1 side or the other... no TRUE independant news stations Oct 14 22:27:32 FOX goes over the top to tip the scale "even". Oct 14 22:27:39 the meek do not inherit the world... Oct 14 22:27:48 No fox is proabbly most reliable Oct 14 22:27:50 OccupyBoston1111: Are you aware just how absolutely baseless the fox news organization is? Oct 14 22:27:50 so one has to read/listen to more than one news source Oct 14 22:27:50 if not CNN Oct 14 22:27:59 Woah! Oct 14 22:28:05 fox news is most reliable?! Oct 14 22:28:14 someone could die laughing to that sentiment Oct 14 22:28:18 what are your opinions on PBS / NPR ? They are at least different than the corporate "News" factories Oct 14 22:28:25 when you write an article you never rely on one source Oct 14 22:28:29 Highly liberal Oct 14 22:28:49 * OccupyBoston679 (~OccupyBos@otff-36-822-6-272.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 22:28:53 96.9 FM for news !! Oct 14 22:28:59 Naw - we're doing pretty well occupying individual cities. For three weeks I've been listening to people yammer on about how we have to do this and we must do that and we''re doomed to fail unless we do so and so...but we keep growing at lightning speed. All of those people are wrong. We're doing just fucking fine, and everyone of those doubting thomases should go pick up a sign and stand up. Talkis very, very cheap Oct 14 22:29:00 in order to be "informed" you need to a sense of analytical and critical analyses and you need SOURCES Oct 14 22:29:05 OccupyBoston1111: I need you to sift through some reports on the fox news organization before you stroll in here and make such false statements. Oct 14 22:29:16 * OccupyBoston679 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 22:29:30 In order to be informed, you need to read reddit.com everyday. Oct 14 22:29:41 thank you 132 Oct 14 22:29:42 .. Oct 14 22:29:46 * OccupyBoston006 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 22:29:52 I am getting my news from the Onion Oct 14 22:29:54 reddit really? Oct 14 22:29:59 i prefer Al Jazeera... Oct 14 22:30:01 lol onion Oct 14 22:30:07 Al Jazeera isn't that great. Oct 14 22:30:10 No... not that Onion... the one that Herman Cain is peeling apparently. Oct 14 22:30:10 wait, what? Oct 14 22:30:15 why not? Oct 14 22:30:16 Absolutely, r/politics is tremendously informative. Oct 14 22:30:17 The Onion has been a reliable source of information for years! Oct 14 22:30:20 They have some good peices every now and then Oct 14 22:30:20 did someone just say Fox news is the most reliable? Oct 14 22:30:25 Well you just lost credibility Oct 14 22:30:32 * RonPaul (~RonPaul@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 22:30:38 OccupyBoston1111: "fox news is probably the most reliable" Oct 14 22:30:39 LOL. RonPaul Oct 14 22:30:41 OccupyBoston1111: hey pot, what's up? Oct 14 22:30:51 Hi all Oct 14 22:30:53 He was talknig about onions when referring to the "teacher bailout". Oct 14 22:31:00 talking* Oct 14 22:31:06 He is one strange dude. Oct 14 22:31:27 Yes they are a republican station for sure, but in terms of getting the real story I find them the most reliable Oct 14 22:31:27 one strange dude who is getting my vote Oct 14 22:31:35 Ron Paul. Shouldn't you be at a John Birch Society meeting? What are you doing in a chat room with these hoodlums? Oct 14 22:31:35 ill take strange dude over the bonehead we have now lol Oct 14 22:31:53 Obviously not shows like hannity but actual news shows Oct 14 22:31:58 OccupyBoston1111: you either work for Fox, have some vested interest in it or are REALLY behind on the 8-ball Oct 14 22:32:07 like the factor? Oct 14 22:32:12 Wow Iam I not welcome here? Oct 14 22:32:12 the "no spin zone" Oct 14 22:32:15 And I like O'reilly even though hes arrogant. He tells it how it is Oct 14 22:32:15 Reddit provides one forum to submit news sources globally, whereby a critical thinking human being can then proceed to use their analytical mind to conclude what is most truthful, without the pretext of prejudice. Oct 14 22:32:25 * OccupyBoston536 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 22:32:27 Ron Paul Oct 14 22:32:35 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @MichaelTraut: @Occupy_Boston guy on WBZ1030 AM is talking crap about you guys right now, calling you "kids win nothing better to do" ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125034691437928448 Oct 14 22:32:37 how are you going to win the GOP nomination? Oct 14 22:32:44 Ron Paul Oct 14 22:32:44 RonPaul: you know you were going to stir up dram picking that name and joining here. That's why you did it. Oct 14 22:32:50 * OccupyBoston891 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 22:32:52 * OccupyBoston434 (~OccupyBos@rzwn-59-941-00-947.cncdnh.fast.myfairpoint.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 22:32:53 What is it about Black people that pisses you off? Oct 14 22:32:59 O'Reilly is smart, will use facts but does not necessarily tell it like it is. Oct 14 22:32:59 Ronpaul is a troll. Oct 14 22:33:00 benbella: don't do that please Oct 14 22:33:07 Don't entertain the troll. Oct 14 22:33:13 Ben, where did that come from? Oct 14 22:33:13 trolls, you say? Oct 14 22:33:19 I love trolls. Oct 14 22:33:24 lol Oct 14 22:33:27 They make a nice *WHAM* on the way out. Oct 14 22:33:27 i love to pay the troll toll Oct 14 22:33:30 Ron Paul is a racist. I thought this was common knowlege? Oct 14 22:33:31 How so? Oct 14 22:33:33 * OccupyBoston707 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 22:33:47 Anyhow, OccupyBoston1111 is a little lost in the sauce. Oct 14 22:33:50 No I am a computer engineer and have no vested interest Oct 14 22:33:56 benbella: it's also common knowledge that Ron Paul is not currently in this chat. Oct 14 22:33:57 speaking of tolls why the hell do they still exist YEARS after the road has been paid for lol Oct 14 22:33:58 As far as his/her opinion about fox. Oct 14 22:34:00 Out of all the news station I prefer fox Oct 14 22:34:01 Ron Paul is like a step above David Duke. Oct 14 22:34:01 not vested yet.... Oct 14 22:34:13 Why is that? Oct 14 22:34:14 Leftyfb. I notice that you don't have a sense of humor. Oct 14 22:34:19 Why is this? Oct 14 22:34:22 I feel like I get all the facts Oct 14 22:34:23 Maybe he meant RuPaul? Oct 14 22:34:24 therefore a contingent interest is what you have Oct 14 22:34:33 benbella: not when you're being disrespectful and very off-topic Oct 14 22:34:37 RuPaul is a badass. Oct 14 22:34:40 nah lefty is just that.... lefty.. and hates that someone up above likes fox lol Oct 14 22:34:45 This excludes indivuals shows like hannity, etc Oct 14 22:34:45 Really? Because their most recent statement about OCCBOS was factual, right? Oct 14 22:34:46 RuPaul for President 2012! Oct 14 22:34:52 Wow i thought you people would love Paul. He will end the wars and end the fed! Oct 14 22:34:56 Although as I said before I like O'reilly Oct 14 22:34:59 And they systematically report truths, right? Oct 14 22:35:03 He's got an awesome blog, btw Oct 14 22:35:14 1111 -- which actual news shows on Fox. Oct 14 22:35:16 Ron Paul will whore himself out to the one percent like all politicians. Oct 14 22:35:16 He's very factual Oct 14 22:35:24 Politicians will say anything! Oct 14 22:35:26 nor McCain Oct 14 22:35:30 Hell no Palin Oct 14 22:35:32 He is just arrogant whichis why people hate him Oct 14 22:35:42 RonPaul - you still don't get what's going on at all. Oct 14 22:35:45 Crap... the other stuff got wiped out Oct 14 22:35:59 being arrogant is a requisite for politics... Oct 14 22:36:02 You just don't get it. Oct 14 22:36:08 How does this whole system get fixed? Oct 14 22:36:15 It can't be fixed. Oct 14 22:36:25 a new constitution Oct 14 22:36:26 O'Reilly is a fool. Oct 14 22:36:27 Why the hate on paul? really ? not trying to troll!!! Oct 14 22:36:29 easy replace all incumbants.... they all have ties to special interests Oct 14 22:36:32 First get corporation out of the pockets of the gov't? Oct 14 22:36:41 violence, death, rebirth Oct 14 22:36:43 The new ones will too Oct 14 22:36:50 So that def. won't work Oct 14 22:36:50 The Incumbants will be replaced by new incumbants. Oct 14 22:36:57 We're not hating on Paul. You think he can help. He can't Oct 14 22:36:57 Society is a wonderful circle Oct 14 22:36:58 not ties compared to the incumbants... Oct 14 22:37:09 One of our largest problems in America is the tax bracket system and O'Reilly is an adovcate of the richest keeping their bracket as low as you can go. Oct 14 22:37:14 Pretty close... you'd be surprised. Oct 14 22:37:17 Well you shouldn't. Oct 14 22:37:28 . Oct 14 22:37:28 Democrat or Republican, that viewpoint is nonfunctional. Oct 14 22:37:34 * RonPaul has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 22:37:40 Just take a looksie around, and tell yourself otherwise. Oct 14 22:37:48 This two party system sux. Oct 14 22:37:54 434: I have opinions on topics. I am not "leftist" or any other ist or political term Oct 14 22:37:56 agree Oct 14 22:37:58 Sorry if I just offended people Oct 14 22:38:04 I love the two party system Oct 14 22:38:18 it's the best way to have adequate representation Oct 14 22:38:20 Even if Ron became prez, he's still got to deL WITH cONGRESS, THE sENATE, AND THE sUPREMES. dO YOU THINK ANY OF THEM WILL PLAY BALL WITH HIM? nAH. nOT EVEN FOR A MINUTE. Oct 14 22:38:24 LOL. Not really. Oct 14 22:38:27 Oops Oct 14 22:38:29 I just think it is unfair to pretend to allow libertarians, green, socialists, etc. Oct 14 22:38:30 I Like watching Fox Report with Shep and then Bill O'Reilly Oct 14 22:38:35 A parlimentary system is much more representative. Oct 14 22:38:35 At least Democrats make an attempt for social movement. Oct 14 22:38:37 Thats pretty much it Oct 14 22:38:38 sorry about the caps Oct 14 22:38:40 nah we need a strong independant party.... hate when votes are based purely on party Oct 14 22:38:41 NO! Oct 14 22:38:42 how so? Oct 14 22:38:45 I watch them after work Oct 14 22:38:59 KHS31. Who are you addressing? Oct 14 22:39:00 Social interests are high in my list of priorities. Oct 14 22:39:01 People would be well represented by what actually represents them Oct 14 22:39:02 How about a single six-year term for president? Five year? Oct 14 22:39:11 independent parties are too fractured Oct 14 22:39:18 Neither does... Oct 14 22:39:40 I like Hermain Cains idea of a flat tax Oct 14 22:39:41 There should be nominees and that's that... to quote Dane M. Schulmann Oct 14 22:39:53 Cain is an idiot. Oct 14 22:39:58 Except it's not really Hermain Cain's idea. Oct 14 22:40:07 Well, a good businessman... Oct 14 22:40:10 Oh I know Oct 14 22:40:13 Just like "Obamacare" isn't Barack Obama's idea. Oct 14 22:40:30 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] March - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=MzdpcGgzM2Z2Z2ZjM2xnM2F0bGhhbW9paTQgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 14 22:40:37 there should be no bills with 50 different agendas.... vote on the ONE issue the bill is for Oct 14 22:40:48 nolabels.org Oct 14 22:40:49 But these taxes would make everyone pay their share Oct 14 22:40:59 No... they wouldn't Oct 14 22:41:05 a 'good businessman' does not neccesarily know how to govern Oct 14 22:41:08 And it would render taxes ineffective Oct 14 22:41:14 Correct, 570. Oct 14 22:41:23 Whether you are a rich broker or a drug dealer Oct 14 22:41:25 How about no Presidents at all? How about we run the whole show the way we run OB? HOW ABOUT WE GET SOME ANARCHO-SYNDICALISM UP IN HERE? Oct 14 22:41:29 you'll be paying taxes Oct 14 22:41:29 Why bother collecting Oct 14 22:41:37 An electoral system where all candidates are ranked by voters (1 for best choice, lowest score wins for example0. That way all candidates are measured, provided that voters are sufficiently knowledgeable about all of the candidates and their positions. Oct 14 22:41:41 * TheMamboKing (~themambok@51.297.258.39.cfl.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 22:41:50 Anarcho-Syndicalism would be nice if it was in the least bit practical but it's not. Oct 14 22:42:00 Unfortunately. Oct 14 22:42:00 What's going on in Boston? Oct 14 22:42:07 we need.... Ceasar Oct 14 22:42:10 it's a cesspool Oct 14 22:42:13 Socialism cant work. It has proved to fail time and time again throughout history Oct 14 22:42:14 lol Oct 14 22:42:17 Salad? Oct 14 22:42:24 hmm disconnected again? Oct 14 22:42:26 * OccupyBoston434 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 22:42:28 * OccupyBoston128 (~OccupyBos@rzwn-59-941-00-947.cncdnh.fast.myfairpoint.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 22:42:34 KHS31: cesspool? Oct 14 22:42:35 * TheMamboKing (~themambok@51.297.258.39.cfl.res.rr.com) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 22:42:46 There is no incentive for people to do anything with socialism Oct 14 22:42:57 I believe you have to earn what you get Oct 14 22:42:59 I'm relying on fox for my information about the boston movement Oct 14 22:43:10 * OccupyBoston252 (~OccupyBos@s-42-704-128-605.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 22:43:14 My stepfather brags about being a monarchist. He justifies it by saying that if you want to change the entire political order you only have to kill one guy.... Oct 14 22:43:14 That's not true, 1111. Oct 14 22:43:16 and they say that it's a cesspool, much like NY Oct 14 22:43:28 It has been "proven true" historically. Oct 14 22:43:36 Example Oct 14 22:43:38 However that is not a necessity. Oct 14 22:43:58 This is not the example... Oct 14 22:44:01 We keep people down by feeding them welfare check, etc.. Oct 14 22:44:02 The Problems with First Past the Post Voting Explained : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo&feature=channel_video_title Oct 14 22:44:08 This is the anti-example... from Office Space. Oct 14 22:44:11 Watch, and discuss. Oct 14 22:44:12 i just get pissed that someone can sit on unemployment for over 2 years lol Oct 14 22:44:22 I know a solution to this problem Oct 14 22:44:32 The "What Would You Do With a $1M" ? Oct 14 22:44:37 * Tracyhome (~yaaic@576-049-640-041.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 22:44:39 Even if they'd rather work?!?! Oct 14 22:44:44 No trash collectors, you think? Oct 14 22:44:45 128: While not usually the case, not everyone can find a suitable job in 2 years Oct 14 22:44:54 you are all idiots Oct 14 22:44:55 No one working high risk occupations? Oct 14 22:44:57 I'm going to move into a remote cabin, manufacture pencils, and write metaphysical poetry, and not pay taxes Oct 14 22:44:59 Hi Oct 14 22:45:03 252 Oct 14 22:45:09 * OccupyBoston252 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 22:45:12 Don't judge this room by me. Oct 14 22:45:21 Alrighty then Oct 14 22:45:33 2 party systems do not work, watch video above: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo&feature=channel_video_title Oct 14 22:45:37 please discuss Oct 14 22:45:40 * RonPaul-endthe (~RonPaul-e@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 22:46:09 Good luck with your cause everyone, God bless and good night Oct 14 22:46:20 gn and have fun in your cabin Oct 14 22:46:29 thank you Oct 14 22:46:32 * KHS31 (~KHS31@s-45-228-772-343.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 14 22:46:48 * Tracyhome has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 22:46:54 Cabin boy great movie1 Oct 14 22:47:03 * calliope has quit () Oct 14 22:47:05 I saw Ron Paul and Rahm Emmanuel in an Appleby's, and THEY WERE HOLDING HANDS! Oct 14 22:47:44 Not trolling why the hate on Paul? Oct 14 22:48:07 RonPaul-endthe: not everyone shares the same political views Oct 14 22:48:08 wants to end the wars and the fed Oct 14 22:48:10 in any movement Oct 14 22:48:11 Because he's selling buggy whips to people with iPods Oct 14 22:48:26 cause most in Boston dont like non democrats lol Oct 14 22:48:29 Hey... got a question. Oct 14 22:48:45 Go for it Oct 14 22:48:55 What happens to campaign money of all the losers? Oct 14 22:49:13 I mean I know they all allegedly spend it. Oct 14 22:49:15 It goes straight to the Koch bros Oct 14 22:49:16 but in reality. Oct 14 22:49:16 They keep it in a fund. Oct 14 22:49:32 It probably goes back to the party Collective Oct 14 22:49:33 Party fund or personal fund? Oct 14 22:49:34 or are too Oct 14 22:49:45 goes to solar companies in cloudy areas Oct 14 22:49:48 They use it to build more Perot Lunar Domes Oct 14 22:49:49 lol Oct 14 22:49:57 So if someone switches parties he or she is obligated to return it to that perty? Oct 14 22:50:00 party* Oct 14 22:50:16 Whatever happened to Ross perot? Oct 14 22:50:17 * GenKreton gives channel operator status to leftyfb Oct 14 22:50:22 Good ? not sure Oct 14 22:50:40 Probably collective? Oct 14 22:50:50 i would think goes back to party Oct 14 22:51:05 So Mitt's $$$ is going to go to Cain or Perry or vice versa versa? Oct 14 22:51:07 Perot now lurks on irc Oct 14 22:51:34 RonPaul guy - I want you to understand that while I would never vote for him, I am glad you're here talking with us, and I think everybody here will second my statement Oct 14 22:51:36 People drop out early all the time./ Oct 14 22:51:51 If Cain or Romney win the GOP, they'll def. beat Obama Oct 14 22:52:17 Why? Oct 14 22:52:23 You are right but what is the reason. Oct 14 22:52:30 wil be tough for any to beat obama out of the choices we have i think Oct 14 22:52:33 * OccupyBoston128 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 22:52:36 * OccupyBoston777 (~OccupyBos@rzwn-59-941-00-947.cncdnh.fast.myfairpoint.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 22:52:41 Think about who Obama went up against previously Oct 14 22:52:47 Does not pauls stand on ending the wars stand with what you guys stand for? Oct 14 22:52:48 Romney won in MA Oct 14 22:52:51 hmm why so many disconnects? Oct 14 22:52:53 That's all the proof I need, Oct 14 22:52:59 Romney would destroy him in any topic discussed in a debate Oct 14 22:53:05 especially economics Oct 14 22:53:05 Really? Oct 14 22:53:08 Are you insane? Oct 14 22:53:37 That's Ludacris! Oct 14 22:53:42 They'll beat Obama because he had the chance to be MLK Jr, Mike Tyson, Jimi Hendriz, and harriet tubman all rolled into one, and he squandered it Oct 14 22:53:45 we have no great choices to be honest.... but id take anyone over Obama right about now Oct 14 22:53:52 I'm pretty sure, given the protests, Republicans are going to fare worse in elections. Oct 14 22:54:06 Worse but not lose. Oct 14 22:54:23 I would bank on them losing. Oct 14 22:54:39 Does occupyboston ect... stand to end the wars Oct 14 22:54:39 To Obama? Not a chance unfort. Oct 14 22:54:52 Major Republicans are still defending tax brackets that 75% of Americans disagree with, both D and R voters. Oct 14 22:55:02 Jon4h every can tel you are far left so your opinion does not matter Oct 14 22:55:03 They do have an exceptional crop of idiots this cycle, the repuds do Oct 14 22:55:13 they will lose... this is all going to be spun onto the republicans... figure Obama has 20% of the vote automatically from the unions... he will still win it Oct 14 22:55:25 Major Republicans vote 5x each Oct 14 22:55:28 The country is in turmoil Oct 14 22:55:32 OccupyBoston1111: Another useless statement from 1111. Oct 14 22:55:39 Obama had a chance and didnt do anything with it Oct 14 22:55:56 If hestepped out and let someone like Hilary run, then the dems would have a shot Oct 14 22:55:58 What has Obama screwed up actually? Oct 14 22:56:06 What is occupyboston stands on the wars!!! Oct 14 22:56:13 I keep hearing it over and over again. Oct 14 22:56:36 Well, Captain Peace Prize started twice as many wars as W, for starters Oct 14 22:56:42 he shouldnt have pushed obama care instead of focusing on jobs.... he didnt do anything great while he had control of everything Oct 14 22:56:42 Never really read anything concrete... at least nothing that hasn't had a contribution to/from the previous admin. Oct 14 22:56:49 OccupyBoston1111: By the way, what would give you the impression that I'm "far left"? Oct 14 22:57:00 He's ramped up the number of mercenaries we employ Oct 14 22:57:16 Is occupyboston pro-war? Oct 14 22:57:20 Because I, alike many people, recognize Fox's lack of credibility, and because I stand in alignment with the OCCBOS movement? Oct 14 22:57:23 ...and this would not have been done by the republicans??? Oct 14 22:57:30 Seems rather hypocritical Oct 14 22:57:35 Ummm everything you've been contributing to the chat Oct 14 22:57:44 LOL Oct 14 22:57:48 1111, be nice Oct 14 22:57:54 No, truly. Oct 14 22:57:57 When he snuffed Alwaki sp? he killed an American citizen without benefit of a trial Oct 14 22:58:01 Because that's all I've said. Oct 14 22:58:06 So, I'm waiting. Oct 14 22:58:12 Jesus, need I go on? Oct 14 22:58:20 Actually, yes. Oct 14 22:58:24 The real humor is in the fact that this movement could be percieved as far leftist, and yet, here you are. Oct 14 22:58:41 I haven't read anything that has a specific Obama fingerprint on it... Oct 14 22:58:41 screw Alwackjob... no rights once you turn against your country Oct 14 22:58:57 I'd like to think it is politically indifferent Oct 14 22:59:01 This movement isn't far leftisit. It's the very essence of populist Oct 14 22:59:06 It surely maybe not be the Democrat norm. Oct 14 22:59:06 but it is the presidential norm, Oct 14 22:59:08 When I oppose tax brackets that hurt the 99%, that makes me far leftist. Oct 14 22:59:09 lol Oct 14 22:59:25 When I oppose the idea that Fox is credible, that is far leftist. Oct 14 22:59:42 When I align with this movement, that is far leftist. Oct 14 22:59:44 Alwaskjob what ever you call him should have had a trial. Oct 14 22:59:50 i know what Obama did good!!!! ... got Bin Laden!! i was so proud of him that day :) Oct 14 22:59:56 In other words, you have no place here, 1111. Oct 14 23:00:04 If this movement is far-leftist, then the American people are, 2 to 1 - because that's the precentage that support us Oct 14 23:00:06 Well am I wrong in implying you are full out liberal??? C'mon now, be honest... Oct 14 23:00:19 What's a full out liberal? Oct 14 23:00:36 What is the definition, in your mind, 1111? Oct 14 23:00:42 * OccupyBoston570 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 23:00:47 I have an independent mind and I do not conform to the norms or structures of political parties or organizations. Oct 14 23:00:52 someone that wont admit a little that Obama is just a lump on a log that cant do much atm :P Oct 14 23:00:57 Full out liberal - fuck, man - I'm a Trotskyite! Oct 14 23:01:02 Let's see how deranged I am. Oct 14 23:01:38 Yeah, Obama is no George Washington. Oct 14 23:01:40 And I stand by the right to bear arms. :) Oct 14 23:01:45 Whatever. Oct 14 23:02:04 I think weapons should be outlawed. Oct 14 23:02:10 You guys and your categories........ Oct 14 23:02:12 ALL Oct 14 23:02:13 I don't think so. Oct 14 23:02:18 Even spoons Oct 14 23:02:21 What if I was to say I was a full out racist but would vote cain over obama does that still make me a racist? Oct 14 23:02:22 Well sporks Oct 14 23:02:27 People need to protect themselves, from enemies both foreign and domestic. Oct 14 23:02:29 Those things from KFC Oct 14 23:02:30 HSure Oct 14 23:02:35 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @lightgraphs not there. Are you? What is going on? - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125042236059697152 Oct 14 23:02:36 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Campers- everything okay down there? @OccupyBOS_Media @OBLogistics - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125043660684406784 Oct 14 23:02:46 *not true by the way Oct 14 23:02:47 There shouldn't be any domestic enemies. Oct 14 23:02:55 i hate party lines lol.... too many cant think outside the strict "guidelines" of their party Oct 14 23:02:59 * OccupyBoston777 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 23:02:59 But there are. Oct 14 23:03:00 It's the class opression of the current system' Oct 14 23:03:03 * OccupyBoston075 (~OccupyBos@rzwn-59-941-00-947.cncdnh.fast.myfairpoint.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:03:17 Eh... I'm a commie. Oct 14 23:03:23 Unfortunately, the world is not an ideal place. Oct 14 23:03:24 Just like the guy on Seinfeld. Oct 14 23:03:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @miaaculpa: SUPER URGENT: We're out of towels blankets. The camp is getting flooded the high winds R destroying tents #occupyboston LOL - http://twitter.com/msp0789/statuses/125043803995381761 Oct 14 23:03:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @ bostonbarometer - ANTI-Work. ANTI-Money. Stay Strong! #Occupy #OWS #OccupyBoston Boston - http://t.co/7f3QBpxV - http://twitter.com/CapeCodNews/statuses/125043917027676160 Oct 14 23:03:29 And unfortunately, war is a constant. Oct 14 23:03:38 Thus, people need to have the means to protect themselves. Oct 14 23:03:44 * OccupyBoston126 (~OccupyBos@50.12.ryp.jw) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:03:56 Because to hope one day that all men will put down arms, is ignorantly idealistic. Oct 14 23:03:58 War does not have to be a constant. Oct 14 23:04:05 Not really. Oct 14 23:04:07 believe in replace of hope* Oct 14 23:04:19 RBI, I would wager man never stops warring. Oct 14 23:04:31 Who does the battling in war? Oct 14 23:04:33 End the wars and bring back the troops... Oct 14 23:04:34 Who fights? Oct 14 23:04:53 Men. (general statement, not excluding women) Oct 14 23:04:58 Man fights man. Oct 14 23:05:14 war cant stop... someone will always feel superior and try to force their beliefs or values on others Oct 14 23:05:14 Removed from classes, or structured society. Oct 14 23:05:21 Men will always fight men. Oct 14 23:05:24 Enlisted individuals who have sworn to protect his or her country and the ideals it projects or empowers. Oct 14 23:05:40 075, Oct 14 23:05:46 Remove yourself from the military industrial complex. Oct 14 23:05:52 That may be true but that in itself does not necessitate war. Oct 14 23:05:57 Think on "primal" peoples. Oct 14 23:05:59 They war too. Oct 14 23:06:00 War is bogus. It is ridiculous that we cannot work things out differently being as intelligent a species as we are. Oct 14 23:06:09 * oddalot (~Ddkdkfff@57-907-97-64.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:06:10 Agreed. Oct 14 23:06:19 But I don't believe war will ever cease. Oct 14 23:06:23 There may be a time when things are handled differently Oct 14 23:06:23 I agree, I do. Oct 14 23:06:38 But I don't believe it's a reality, that man will cease warring. Oct 14 23:06:47 075 - Nonsense. You're expressing a belief without any evidence to back it up. If you do start providing such evidence, you'd better be prepared to explain counter-examples Oct 14 23:06:49 some cant remove themselfs from military industrial complex. That how they pay for collage. Oct 14 23:06:52 Religion is a tough one though Oct 14 23:07:03 Religion and greed. Oct 14 23:07:14 Religion is a good thing Oct 14 23:07:17 Greed can be paid off. Oct 14 23:07:25 * Plantiful has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 23:07:26 war will end...... but it will be major nuclear war that does it i bet... the few left standing will see the destruction that has happened and realize whats at stake Oct 14 23:07:44 I don't think so. Oct 14 23:07:45 It might take that first... that'd suck. Oct 14 23:07:53 That aside... Oct 14 23:08:12 * OccupyBoston229 (~OccupyBos@awlm-525-16-835-16.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:08:12 I came across this on the Occupy Wall Street Forum. It will shed alot of light on what we need to do to stop war and stop separating ourselves from one another. http://youtu.be/TX1N3opw5eI Oct 14 23:08:15 No. To be rid of war we need only be responsible and compassionate. Oct 14 23:08:17 That being said, us being in Afghanistan must be necessity if Obama is backing it. We have to remeber that we, the public, know a lot less than people with high levels of clearance do. Oct 14 23:08:20 I was asked to provide a smidgeon of a reason that I could possibly expect war to cease. Oct 14 23:08:22 I think an apocalypse would only fuel violence. Oct 14 23:08:40 History repeats itself, as well. Oct 14 23:08:49 No, an apocalypse would do the trick. Oct 14 23:08:53 * OccupyBoston172 (~OccupyBos@s-19-288-6-886.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:08:59 Wishful thinking. Oct 14 23:09:01 1111 - fuck you and the horse you rode in on Oct 14 23:09:06 Anyhow... Oct 14 23:09:07 History is repeating it self right now! Oct 14 23:09:10 People would have the mind of "Every man for himself". Oct 14 23:09:19 1111 is okay with me Oct 14 23:09:25 OccupyBoston1111: please don't be disrespectful. There's no need for that language. Oct 14 23:09:48 132 used abusive language actually Oct 14 23:09:48 What language Oct 14 23:09:52 sorry Oct 14 23:09:55 what did 1111 say Oct 14 23:09:56 that's me, not him. sorry Oct 14 23:10:10 OccupyBoston132: please don't be disrespectful. There's no need for that language. Oct 14 23:10:16 sa,e... im not gonna ostricize someone for having a few different points than mine :P .... people need realize NOONE will ever agree with you 10% of the time... so 75% is cool :P Oct 14 23:10:16 sorry, it was meant for him Oct 14 23:10:17 He apologized. Oct 14 23:10:19 sorry Oct 14 23:10:30 100% sorry Oct 14 23:10:37 99%? Oct 14 23:10:39 I believe there is an unspoken alliance between 1111 and RBI because they both identify with "rightest" viewpoints. Is this correct? Oct 14 23:10:43 53% sorry Oct 14 23:10:47 110% sorry Oct 14 23:10:49 lol RBI Oct 14 23:11:05 No... I am a Marxist I suppose Oct 14 23:11:07 I lean a little more right than left Oct 14 23:11:09 this is true Oct 14 23:11:09 * OccupyBoston229 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 23:11:17 I wonder why. Oct 14 23:11:18 nottrying to hide it at all Oct 14 23:11:20 So... the war thing. Oct 14 23:11:30 I always question people why they identify with the parties they do. Oct 14 23:11:32 yes the wars!!! Oct 14 23:11:36 thye're both righties, but not trolls. Don't kick them Oct 14 23:11:44 And unfortunately, many Republicans don't have reasons. Oct 14 23:11:46 It may be possible that war becomes far too expensive to engage in let alone lose. Oct 14 23:11:53 Aside from baseless rhetoric they hear on Fox News. Oct 14 23:11:59 j0n4h: they do... guns and abortion Oct 14 23:12:01 I would say I am independent though Oct 14 23:12:02 why do people have to fall into a category? Why can't they just form their own opinions and not follow what a group has laid out already for them? Oct 14 23:12:10 GenKreton: still at camp? Oct 14 23:12:11 * kingnixon (~kingnixon@s-30-444-385-814.hsd6.pa.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:12:15 * OccupyBoston535 (~OccupyBos@61-29-935-00.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:12:16 Hence.... another form of settling the dispute may come into existence. Oct 14 23:12:17 We need to get rid of left and right, liberal and conservative. All it does is limit us and separate us. http://youtu.be/TX1N3opw5eI Oct 14 23:12:19 * Tracyhome (~yaaic@576-049-640-041.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:12:30 thats the problem.... get off your party lines and fre think for yourselves... people can be right or left and still be smart enough? yes? no? Oct 14 23:12:35 leftyfb: no, I have a friend visiting and she wanted company and a place to crash :X Oct 14 23:12:36 I do not understand how people can just decide to believe whatever their party believes. Makes no sense to me??? Oct 14 23:12:36 leftyfb: Unfortunately man appreciates groupthink. Oct 14 23:12:37 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: One & only #ff for you guys: @SmedleyVFP, our heroes. #veteransforpeace - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125045117961764864 Oct 14 23:12:37 * OccupyBoston075 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 23:12:38 I'd like to think it'd be Twister or Chutes and Ladders Oct 14 23:12:40 * OccupyBoston535 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 23:12:46 * OccupyBoston823 (~OccupyBos@rzwn-59-941-00-947.cncdnh.fast.myfairpoint.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:12:49 j0n4h: not this man Oct 14 23:12:49 leftyfb: I will be back at 10 am for civil disobedience training Oct 14 23:12:58 everyone chant in unison, "We will form our own thoughts!" Oct 14 23:13:04 lol Oct 14 23:13:05 leftyfb: Nor I, but we are not the general populice. Oct 14 23:13:07 jk Oct 14 23:13:16 I watch fox cnn mbcn news. Does that make me a bad person for watching fox about 333% of the time? Oct 14 23:13:17 populace* Oct 14 23:13:17 agree 132... but its hard to find free thinkers lol Oct 14 23:13:23 * durple has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 14 23:13:31 * OccupyBoston666 (~OccupyBos@dyd-27-510-31-767.austin.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:13:38 RonPaul-endthe: only if you believe the stuff they write Oct 14 23:13:41 * OccupyBoston666 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 23:13:41 groupings only make us think on simple terms. The terms that are confined to that group. Oct 14 23:13:51 Groupthink is a dangerous tool. Oct 14 23:13:56 Man is a social animal. Oct 14 23:13:57 Hello Oct 14 23:14:02 All of them lefty? Oct 14 23:14:05 I don't believe weapons are necessary; don't think abortions should be performed unless there are warranting circumstances... what else Oct 14 23:14:08 animal is key word there! Oct 14 23:14:09 leftyfb: will you be at the training? Oct 14 23:14:14 I do not believe in free higher education Oct 14 23:14:16 GenKreton: no, i'll be sleeping :) Oct 14 23:14:23 but vastly reduced tuition should be. Oct 14 23:14:25 you can be social, just free thinking Oct 14 23:14:26 Training? Oct 14 23:14:32 Here is the worst from me... Oct 14 23:14:36 I believe there are always warranting circumstance when people have abortions performed. Oct 14 23:14:45 Tracyhome: disobedience training! Oct 14 23:14:46 I think there should be parenting licenses Oct 14 23:14:55 civil disobedience* Oct 14 23:14:57 What time? Oct 14 23:15:00 10 am Oct 14 23:15:03 by gandhi Oct 14 23:15:05 That's very dystopic of you, RBI. Oct 14 23:15:08 RBInfiniti: not everyone who can't pass a test is a bad parent Oct 14 23:15:11 coming, Tracyhome? Oct 14 23:15:17 I will be the Oct 14 23:15:23 fantastic! Oct 14 23:15:27 Just a few T stops away Oct 14 23:15:28 say hi this time :P Oct 14 23:15:34 I will Oct 14 23:15:35 Well, I for one would like to extend my LEFT hand of friendship to all the right wing Rush Limbaugh and RuPaul supporters out there. Come on down and have a bowl of vegan mush with us! Oct 14 23:15:37 Ummm... passing grade of 30 Oct 14 23:15:37 ill go for parenting licemse so long as we crack down on illegals without driving 1's :P Oct 14 23:15:47 Vegan? Oct 14 23:15:47 I wish I could be there for the civil disobedience training. Unfortunately I work every day from sun up to sun down. Oct 14 23:15:53 alright, sleep for me, gnight everyone, and I hope to march with you tomorrow! Oct 14 23:16:06 GN// sleep well Oct 14 23:16:07 I'm down with that. Oct 14 23:16:22 Iam vegan so that would be fun. Oct 14 23:16:33 I need to sleep, as well. Oct 14 23:16:35 Well, I am never running for office as you can see. Oct 14 23:16:43 I'm American Oct 14 23:16:45 I should sleep too - gotta' round up winterization stuff in the am Oct 14 23:16:46 i need my red meat from time to time.. i cant do the veggie thing.... although black bean veggie burgers are the bomb! Oct 14 23:16:47 * Greg (~Greg@43-21-667-7.cpe.cableone.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:16:49 that's the only label I like to go by Oct 14 23:16:59 I'd be assassinated as a candidate. Oct 14 23:17:02 oh, and a geek :) Oct 14 23:17:06 Lefty: thought you wanted some.down.time? Oct 14 23:17:14 * j0n4h has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 23:17:14 Tracyhome: wife is in bed Oct 14 23:17:27 she has work at 6am Oct 14 23:17:34 nighty nite and use diatomaceous earth on the bedbugs Oct 14 23:17:51 So it is not cancer causing? Oct 14 23:17:52 YouFriday night in chat Oct 14 23:18:01 Friday chat Oct 14 23:18:04 I'm going to cause myself grief by updating my iphone Oct 14 23:18:12 * Greg has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 23:18:19 Lefty, why? Oct 14 23:18:27 No parentheses, eh? Oct 14 23:18:29 * OccupyBoston132 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 23:18:33 Did you jailbreaak it? Oct 14 23:18:34 I keep losing sentences. Oct 14 23:18:34 gonna lose out on my jailbreak, but there's a lot of features that replace the jailbroken ones and there's some new ones I like Oct 14 23:18:50 Tracyhome: the only jailbreak for iOS5 is tethered ... i'll JB it when it comes out Oct 14 23:18:52 Yeah... I probably had more useless gibberish to post Oct 14 23:19:21 I think humans inherently know abortion is wrong. That is why it is so tough for women to go through with it. Adoption is a better solution Oct 14 23:19:31 lets not bring that up Oct 14 23:19:36 it has no business here Oct 14 23:19:42 sorry Oct 14 23:19:42 nothing to do with the financial situation Oct 14 23:19:46 agree...so long as its not a medical reason for it Oct 14 23:19:46 YouI always jailbreak my apple debices and.root my Android. Does that mean I have no life? Oct 14 23:19:50 Well... I think I leave that up to the individuals involved. Oct 14 23:19:54 lol Oct 14 23:20:06 * OccupyBoston457 (~OccupyBos@otff-36-822-6-272.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:20:07 sell the fetuses for money, problems solved Oct 14 23:20:10 Hate this keyboard Oct 14 23:20:12 Tracyhome: no, it means you like your device to be at it's full potential Oct 14 23:20:14 In all honesty, none of my business but I have a preferences. Oct 14 23:20:22 finances like out of control spending of our tax $$? Oct 14 23:20:31 I do not have a life though :( Oct 14 23:20:46 * OccupyBoston457 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 23:21:01 Does a Pampered Chef party last 5 hours???? Oct 14 23:21:14 If you get a chance please watch this. It is 43 minutes long. I think it can help all of us. We need to think outside the current system. http://youtu.be/TX1N3opw5eI Oct 14 23:22:02 * OccupyBoston823 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 23:22:07 * OccupyBoston758 (~OccupyBos@rzwn-59-941-00-947.cncdnh.fast.myfairpoint.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:22:43 * OccupyBoston758 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 23:22:49 * OccupyBoston102 (~OccupyBos@rzwn-59-941-00-947.cncdnh.fast.myfairpoint.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:22:54 Any electronic musicians? Any suggestions for.someone who wants to learn about it. How to create electronic musi Oct 14 23:23:14 lots of practive Oct 14 23:23:18 practice too Oct 14 23:23:21 * OccupyBoston102 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 23:23:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @harmonywho: RT @TheChristianLft: 10 Things Christians Should Know & Do about the Occupy Protests http://t.co/bpI7xVDt @walterga #OccupyBoston - http://twitter.com/profpoole/statuses/125048949802405888 Oct 14 23:23:27 * OccupyBoston1111 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 23:23:33 need to discover who you are in your music Oct 14 23:23:39 I think that takes the longest Oct 14 23:24:36 I maybe I will take a beginners class. Oct 14 23:25:09 * climatejusticenow (~climateju@fbvg-317-4-518-61.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:25:55 * climatejusticenow has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 23:26:22 * oxen has quit (Quit: Lost terminal) Oct 14 23:26:53 I was in the big bad bollocks, which was a celtic punk band. Iam sure I could get the boys together to paly if you wanted. Oct 14 23:27:37 RonPaul-endthe: occupybostonmusic@gmail.com Oct 14 23:28:04 * tippingonme (~tippingon@r-14-282-149-66.hsd2.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:28:43 Oct 14 23:29:25 * tippingonme has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 23:30:19 Have a good night. Be at camp tomorrow. Ready for.march Oct 14 23:30:27 will email after talking to the boys. John Allen here not sure 100% of what occ stands for, but do belive in the people having more power Oct 14 23:30:39 * ren_ is now known as TheRavenProject Oct 14 23:30:44 * TheRavenProject has quit (Changing host) Oct 14 23:30:44 * TheRavenProject (~ren@doesnt.matter.what.it.is) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:30:54 * OccupyBoston045 (~OccupyBos@g-13-26-69-811.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:31:22 * gwoo has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 23:31:28 random6472 RBInfiniti risciatom robomancer RonPaul-endthe ross Oct 14 23:31:33 ok so are there two occupy together's one saturday and another sunday or was it just changed Oct 14 23:31:38 Hey, how's everything going? Oct 14 23:31:52 045: not sure what you're talking about Oct 14 23:31:55 hi TheRavenProject Oct 14 23:32:05 Hey, lefty. Good night with your wife? :-) Oct 14 23:32:19 wow Oct 14 23:32:20 TheRavenProject: yep, she's out in bed now :) Oct 14 23:32:35 she's got work in the morning Oct 14 23:32:51 Lefty: you are a workaholic, aren't you? Oct 14 23:32:52 * siegfail (~AndChat@p685769v3.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:32:59 Me too. :( Gonna be hard to sleep considering how late I was awake last night. Oct 14 23:33:03 hi, guys Oct 14 23:33:09 siegfail! We have camp presence!!! Oct 14 23:33:10 "She told me she worked in the morning and started to laugh ..." Oct 14 23:33:20 Who's we? Oct 14 23:33:20 well i got an email saying there was going to be a march tomorrow sent by LAURIE BUCHANAN Oct 14 23:33:28 siegfail: are you at camp? Oct 14 23:33:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @jennjoyw: RT @USDayofRage: A brief history of Oct 15th: where it comes from, what it means and the future of the global uprising htt ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125051065006698496 Oct 14 23:33:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @jennjoyw: RT @SmedleyVFP: More on tomorrow's anti-war march (Oct 15) http://t.co/xtVdamsV - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125051102285660160 Oct 14 23:33:47 * Tracyhome has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 14 23:33:48 yeah, but I'm hiding. I get too busy when I'm visible. Oct 14 23:34:20 How goes it, everyone? Oct 14 23:34:29 siegfail: we haven't had presence from camp in here for about 5 hours Oct 14 23:34:36 no idea what, if anything is going on there Oct 14 23:34:42 when is the anti-war march? hate to click on unknow likes. Oct 14 23:34:52 Good here at home. Just had some birthday cake and watched X Men Oct 14 23:34:55 *links Oct 14 23:34:55 RonPaul-endthe: http://map.15october.net/reports/view/632 Oct 14 23:35:13 It's fucking flooded and muddy to shit. We need blankets, towels, tarps... fuck Oct 14 23:35:21 But spirits are high. Oct 14 23:35:22 Who should really attend? Oct 14 23:35:31 siegfail: media tent should be ok right? Since it's got the floor now Oct 14 23:35:42 RBInfiniti: anyone that wants to lend support Oct 14 23:35:51 Verbal? Oct 14 23:35:52 The high winds are fucking up all the tents. The media is standing... sorta. Oct 14 23:36:09 But good call on the flooring there. Oct 14 23:36:13 Sorry about the conditions, Sieg Oct 14 23:36:14 need more guy lines Oct 14 23:36:36 I want to come down but have heared of people stealing from each other. Oct 14 23:36:36 * OccupyBoston045 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 23:36:56 RonPaul-endthe: not really. There has been some things gone missing as is expected ... but nothing to drastic Oct 14 23:37:13 it's not anarchy ... the community is generally very friendly and good Oct 14 23:38:04 Are there people arriving that probably shouldn't be there to anyone's knowledge? Oct 14 23:38:23 like cops with camera's? :) Oct 14 23:38:34 Oh, speaking of cameras. Oct 14 23:38:34 I wouldn't bring anything I don't want taken, if I were staying overnight, since almost everything there is just donated for general use. Oct 14 23:38:36 You mean cops without cameras Oct 14 23:38:38 Need to charge my flip Oct 14 23:39:57 siegfail: are they rebuilding/reorganizing the media tent? Any work done on moving the pedal generators into their own shelter outside the tent? Oct 14 23:40:07 Could I hold a sign "I'm not politically viable."? Oct 14 23:40:30 I'm paraphrasing the quotation from the movie "Falling Down". Oct 14 23:40:39 Well if I come down I would not like my tent and sleeping bag taken. Oct 14 23:40:55 They're only keeping it together tonight. Tomorrow is rebuilding day. Oct 14 23:40:59 RonPaul-endthe: I haven't heard of any of that going on there Oct 14 23:40:59 I do not have a tent nor sleeping bag as of yet. Oct 14 23:41:01 * OccupyBoston288 (~OccupyBos@j152-074-66-287.lesley.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:41:16 good Oct 14 23:41:20 siegfail: ok, that sounds good since i'll be coming down tomorrow Oct 14 23:41:39 hopefully in time to help make some good decisions on the structure/layout Oct 14 23:41:39 * OccupyBoston288 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 23:41:45 I don't think there's really space to put your own tent if you did bring it. Oct 14 23:41:47 Please do. Oct 14 23:41:49 * jim (~jim@tdzt-486-58-04-0.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:41:58 There is no space for personal tents. none. Oct 14 23:42:05 really dsws? Oct 14 23:42:17 ok Oct 14 23:42:17 sure there is, just not in Dewey Square :) Oct 14 23:42:23 heh Oct 14 23:42:30 Gee... on 93 South? Oct 14 23:42:30 there's tons of campsites around MA :) Oct 14 23:42:37 * OccupyBoston104 (~OccupyBos@sgkk-71-051-071-09.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:43:00 yea I could camp in my yard would that help? lol Oct 14 23:43:02 sorry, I'm just being silly now Oct 14 23:43:11 Wow... I've missed IRC Oct 14 23:43:13 RonPaul-endthe: Occupy Backyard! Oct 14 23:43:21 I was a #startrek geek Oct 14 23:43:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @bostonteaparty @greaterbostontp Tea Party Co-Founder Expresses support for #occupywallstreet #ows http://t.co/YPY8CAru #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/gnimsh/statuses/125053258199875584 Oct 14 23:43:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Hey! @SullyErna from @Godsmack_Music Gotta Help Your Hometown Out There Staying Strong Maybe Throw Some Support To #OccupyBoston!! - http://twitter.com/unwantedmelissa/statuses/125053393952718849 Oct 14 23:43:44 i can occupy ur back yard or front yard Oct 14 23:43:44 * sunnyhuanny (~sunnyhuan@18.111.zvp.goo) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:44:04 don't have a front yard sorry Oct 14 23:44:17 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/102233/occupykitty.jpg Oct 14 23:44:20 my wife made that today Oct 14 23:44:35 I'm still listening to that Peter Joseph video Oct 14 23:45:57 * OccupyBoston104 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 23:45:58 * TheRavenProject sighs * Just learned that SC state law forbids wearing any mask at any time. Oct 14 23:46:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=tjuUWr9vaXo Oct 14 23:46:31 Even Halloween? Oct 14 23:46:33 Raven-- what about Halloween? Oct 14 23:46:34 * DanglingMan (~DanglingM@z-60-99-366-225.hsd8.il.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:46:36 what was with the police harrasement today? Oct 14 23:46:57 http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=tjuUWr9vaXo Oct 14 23:48:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7wK5qaNOtY&feature=related Oct 14 23:48:22 How BIG of a problem are oil companies [considered to be], if at all? Oct 14 23:48:27 TheRavenProject: that's one of the dumbest laws I've ever heard Oct 14 23:48:38 were the police there in force today? Oct 14 23:48:46 Yeah... we all wear masks! Metaphorically speaking. Oct 14 23:49:01 * sunnyhuanny has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 14 23:49:17 There are a lot of unenforceable laws on the books. Oct 14 23:49:50 We need to change the basic model, where everyone is always doing something illegal no matter what, and we have to depend on the authorities to use common sense. Oct 14 23:50:06 * OccupyBoston160 (~OccupyBos@patc-674-2-373-64.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:50:09 No person over sixteen years of age shall appear or enter upon any lane, walk, alley, street, road, public way or highway of this State or upon the public property of the State or of any municipality or county in this State while wearing a mask or other device which conceals his identity. Nor shall any such person demand entrance or admission to or enter upon the premises or into the enclosure or house of any other person whi Oct 14 23:50:09 le wearing a mask or device which conceals his identity. Nor shall any such person, while wearing a mask or device which conceals his identity, participate in any meeting or demonstration upon the private property of another unless he shall have first obtained the written permission of the owner and the occupant of such property. Oct 14 23:50:32 * OccupyBoston997 (~OccupyBos@p-23-029-035-557.hsd7.ct.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:50:50 * Shidash (~Shidash@r-88-461-552-58.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:50:53 that is on the books? Oct 14 23:50:56 Yep. Oct 14 23:51:03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FobnAnrFG3c&feature=related Oct 14 23:51:10 Hey, Shidash. Oct 14 23:51:22 So no invisible cloaks!? Oct 14 23:51:25 * OccupyMitchell (~OccupyMit@f-695-46-110-177.hsd2.pa.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:51:26 * OccupyBoston828 (~OccupyBos@38.sub-013-595-043.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:51:41 Nope. Technically a device that hides your identity. >_> Oct 14 23:51:44 * OccupyBoston828 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 23:51:49 great punk song...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWC_0jPFQ_Q&feature=player_embedded Oct 14 23:52:00 Hows things going there? I just left this afternoon Oct 14 23:52:16 Probably get more response with discussion in your own words, than with youtube links. Oct 14 23:52:17 * OccupyBoston997 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 23:52:39 * OccupyBoston475Will (~OccupyBos@p-23-029-035-557.hsd7.ct.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:52:41 hi Oct 14 23:52:48 * OccupyBoston849 (~OccupyBos@ng593.stone-oaks.phx.ygnition.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:53:01 would but server keeps dropping me. Oct 14 23:53:31 less youtube links, more discussion Oct 14 23:53:51 * yuriwho has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 14 23:53:59 ok at the time there was no discussion. Oct 14 23:54:10 * OccupyMitchell ponders how this occupy meme got so far out of control... it was supposed to be like planking, but better. Oct 14 23:54:46 * TheRavenProject facepalms Oct 14 23:54:53 hmm... Oct 14 23:55:06 * DanglingMan has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 23:55:21 Ok, discuss: law is best understood as the systematic limits on government power. It includes case-law as well as statute. Oct 14 23:55:40 * OccupyBoston849 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 14 23:56:10 * OccupyBoston313 (~OccupyBos@e-13-26-252-721.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:56:12 What would the Libertarian movement make of that thesis? Oct 14 23:56:15 For a state run by a party that hates government despite getting paid by the government, they have way too many pointless laws. Oct 14 23:56:44 Nikki Haley = Functionally retarded. Oct 14 23:56:44 So lets do away with all laws and turn into West Africa, thatd be fun Oct 14 23:56:58 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise. Oct 14 23:57:06 Is there a country where they are almost doing this whole thing right? Oct 14 23:57:09 i mean there has to be some laws Oct 14 23:57:10 What wrong with West Africa? lol Oct 14 23:57:22 * OccupyBoston172 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 14 23:57:32 Somalia is on the east side of the continent. Oct 14 23:57:42 somalia isn't libertarian or anarchic. it's a warzone hellhole that is kept artificially helpless by the international community Oct 14 23:57:43 I'm aware. Oct 14 23:57:47 I'm from the West Oct 14 23:57:50 Not sure how things are going in Senegal, Gambia, etc. Oct 14 23:58:05 Well... even west of Senegal in my case. Oct 14 23:58:06 This is why I brought up Somalia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QDv4sYwjO0 Oct 14 23:58:21 Sorry, Oct 14 23:58:25 Another YouTube link, I know. Oct 14 23:58:48 * OccupyBostonpp0 (~OccupyBos@216.168.pzk.gts) has joined #occupyboston Oct 14 23:58:56 * boston has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 14 23:58:59 No, let's turn to the gold standard and become the next PIIGS Oct 14 23:58:59 how about places with one party/ruler, Venzulea, Cuba, or Iran, in that context, the US aint so bad Oct 14 23:59:32 How many ppl are at Dewey Sq? Oct 14 23:59:34 Government is inevitable. If it were magically eliminated, much worse government would immediately appear, growing from vigilantism and organized thuggery, much as the original did but without the mellowing effects of time and sustained legitimacy. Oct 14 23:59:46 in what context? of having the people who run our lives replaced every so often by someone equally damaging? Oct 15 00:00:01 * hosap (~hosap@otkk-67-88-832-993.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 00:00:44 "of having the people who run our lives replaced every so often by someone equally damaging?" Its better than the alternatives Oct 15 00:01:06 getting close to sleepy time, yet wished to be in here on beginning of 10/15 Oct 15 00:02:15 How about no rulers, just a group of philosophers and scientists. We get rid of of money and instead form communities, much like occupy boston. We have all the resources we need and there would be plenty to go around. Oct 15 00:02:22 How many peolpe are are camped out? Oct 15 00:02:29 * ElliottTheMedic (~ElliottTh@d-69-21-930-860.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 00:02:38 hey folks Oct 15 00:02:46 Good morning everyone Oct 15 00:02:49 Adios Oct 15 00:02:50 So all live in tents and sing folk songs then Oct 15 00:03:00 * RBInfiniti has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 00:03:05 actually we don't sing folk songs Oct 15 00:03:20 closest we ever came was 5 people singing the Still Alive song from the end of Portal Oct 15 00:03:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] As of today, I only trust networks whose guests show up in Batman shirts. #msnbc #ows #occupyboston #occupyboston #occupyeverything - http://twitter.com/jennnsolo/statuses/125058875417313282 Oct 15 00:03:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @mae37: United American Indians of New England Supports Occupy Boston #OccupyBoston http://t.co/VGSIWnb5 #indigenous - http://twitter.com/kaskadia/statuses/125058983487741953 Oct 15 00:03:31 Just a ?, would do you and the movement think if the US was to attack Iran. Good or bad? Oct 15 00:03:32 We have the technology and know how to have better housing than that for everyone. Oct 15 00:03:50 yes but we lack the required permits for it 126 Oct 15 00:04:13 Having economic decisions made by committee sounds like an awful idea to me. Oct 15 00:04:14 biggest thing you can build without a building inspector is like 150 square feet or something like it Oct 15 00:04:25 Why not? Better than using people as cheap labor, so we can have an endless seupply of products to buy and sell. Oct 15 00:04:28 anything made by committee is a bad idea Oct 15 00:05:03 There would be no selling, because there would be no money. Oct 15 00:05:08 Most people don't like serving on committees. You would get rule of those who want to rule badly enough to run the committee. Oct 15 00:05:15 Better than exploiting people for cheap labor Oct 15 00:05:19 * OccupyBoston313 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 00:05:24 * OccupyBoston267 (~OccupyBos@e-13-26-252-721.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 00:05:26 and now for something completely different Oct 15 00:05:37 What do people thing about us maybe going to war with Iran? Oct 15 00:05:46 Even if there were no money, there would still be marginal rates of substitution. Oct 15 00:05:55 http://www.rosekennedygreenway.org/donate/greenway-gala/2011-host-committee/ <--- the list of the 1% group that made Occupy Boston happen by footing the bill for the electrics and the replanting Oct 15 00:06:04 Iam ant-war just asking. Oct 15 00:06:19 and yes Bank of America is listed as a contributor Oct 15 00:06:21 Going to war with Iran is a horrible idea. Oct 15 00:06:36 war is always horrible Oct 15 00:06:36 * hosap has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 00:06:37 I know Oct 15 00:06:41 * hosap (~hosap@otkk-67-88-832-993.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 00:06:44 and should not be an option Oct 15 00:06:53 Iran is actually supporting OWS go fig Oct 15 00:06:56 War is always horrible, but sometimes so is the status quo. Oct 15 00:07:04 There is no money, so there would only be cheap labor... Oct 15 00:07:17 We wouldn't have the money to go to war. Israel would go to war and we would supply them with arms. IT WOULD BE HORRIBLE! Oct 15 00:07:46 yes but if israel went to war it would be horrible, but relativly quick Oct 15 00:07:50 True just seeing what people have to say. Oct 15 00:07:52 Iran is not the problem. Oct 15 00:08:07 I'll take middle eastern countries with nuclear weapons for 200 alex Oct 15 00:08:21 * ElliottTheMedic (~ElliottTh@d-69-21-930-860.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 15 00:08:30 Just said Iran with the whole AG case agaist them now. Oct 15 00:08:30 "War is always a bad idea" is close enough for political discourse, where everything has to fit on a bumper sticker. But sometimes involvement in a war is a lesser of evils. Oct 15 00:08:48 * ElliottTheMedic (~ElliottTh@d-69-21-930-860.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 00:08:57 I really hope it doesn't happen! Oct 15 00:08:58 paah lag Oct 15 00:09:59 How r people spreading the word? Oct 15 00:10:05 I feel sorry for anyone that is 18 to about 35 because there will be a draft sorry. Oct 15 00:10:14 * OccupyBoston136 (~OccupyBos@d-18-76-44-875.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 00:10:18 Getting involved in a proxy war on hostile turf is always a bad idea. Oct 15 00:10:20 * DanglingMan (~DanglingM@z-60-99-366-225.hsd8.il.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 00:10:28 there is not going to be a draft Paul Oct 15 00:10:41 I don't foresee a draft any time soon either. Oct 15 00:10:41 Are you sure? Oct 15 00:10:43 there should be a draft Oct 15 00:10:43 * OccupyBoston136 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 00:10:44 there's lines to get into the armed forces Oct 15 00:10:46 positive Oct 15 00:10:53 there's no reason for a draft Oct 15 00:10:59 if 9/11 taught us anything. There's no need to draft people Oct 15 00:11:07 there are lots of reasons for a draft Oct 15 00:11:23 It's wrong to go to war and not have it be democratic Oct 15 00:11:23 Reasonably sure, yes. With 10% unemployment, there's a wait list to enlist. Oct 15 00:11:29 forced military service on all 18-20 year olds would probably be a good line Oct 15 00:11:33 good thing Oct 15 00:11:53 we have a standing professional army. It would be bad on a strategic level to induct people who don't want to be there. Oct 15 00:11:54 It's wrong to take advantage of the less fortunate by dangling carrots Oct 15 00:12:07 An army should be democratizing Oct 15 00:12:09 * OccupyMitchell has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 00:12:19 Army is there to defend democracy not practice it Oct 15 00:12:25 If there were a draft, this war would have ended 5 years ago Oct 15 00:12:28 everyone would then have base job skills and ready to enter the workforce with right mindset Oct 15 00:12:51 An army should be a reflection of the society it defends Oct 15 00:13:00 how are people in the camp holding up? Oct 15 00:13:05 If you want to provide job training, provide job training. You don't need to provide military training to do so. Oct 15 00:13:22 * OccupyMitchell (~OccupyMit@f-695-46-110-177.hsd2.pa.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 00:13:22 funding to the army may be cut by the end of the oct. If so and there was a new war I see a draft. Oct 15 00:13:47 * OccupyBoston267 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 00:13:52 * OccupyBoston090 (~OccupyBos@e-13-26-252-721.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 00:13:59 * OccupyMitchell has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 00:14:11 our current "volunteer' policy means that 99.5% of the population have no idea what our servicemen and women undergo Oct 15 00:14:14 If there's universal mandatory military service, government is training everyone in a way that necessarily touches on aspects of culture that government has no business deciding for the population at large. Oct 15 00:14:33 NOt trolling but see it happening in my mind. Oct 15 00:14:37 we have a small military "class" that is disconnected from the general populace Oct 15 00:14:48 I will just disagree with you Dangling Oct 15 00:15:15 I hate these wars, I am 52 with 2 kids, I am a liberal, and I joined the reserves Oct 15 00:15:15 * OccupyBoston475Will has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 15 00:15:41 anyone know how many of us there are Oct 15 00:15:53 A yellow magnetic ribbon is not supporting the troops Oct 15 00:16:02 297 million? ) Oct 15 00:16:09 then again, I'm a fool Oct 15 00:16:31 A yellow magnetic ribbon is not supporting the troops | That I can definitely agree with. Oct 15 00:16:32 * OccupyBostonpp0 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 00:17:00 I hate the wars and the fed, but are scaried of what 99% wants to do to my country. Oct 15 00:17:15 to OUR country Oct 15 00:17:27 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pamy-gh0RlQ <--- just gonna leave this here. Oct 15 00:17:36 yes sorry, late for me!! Oct 15 00:17:39 it's my country too, last I checked Oct 15 00:17:59 why doesn't it scare you about the 1% who do extremely well in the current system, 99% of us just do fine Oct 15 00:18:10 * boston (~boston@g-90-289-265-158.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 00:18:12 * boston has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 00:18:18 * bostongeorge (~bostongeo@g-90-289-265-158.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 00:18:24 so what are we arguing about now? Oct 15 00:18:27 seems it should be 99% should be doing well and 1% should be doing fine Oct 15 00:18:37 Monetary policy should be fairly insulated from political pressures. Monetizing the debt is disastrous. Oct 15 00:18:47 what about people who crawl out of the 99 and make it to the 1? Oct 15 00:19:01 * ElliottTheMedic has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 00:19:01 what about them? Oct 15 00:19:02 then they should be on the news Oct 15 00:19:14 then it seem they want to kill you. lol Oct 15 00:19:21 be respected Oct 15 00:19:30 But the temptation to pay for pet projects by debasing the coinage is too strong to expect the political process resist. Oct 15 00:19:37 they are wonderful Americans. we should worship them, and let them off from ever paying taxes, because they are so wonderful Oct 15 00:19:58 we should build them special towns, with special streets and special schools Oct 15 00:19:59 lol Oct 15 00:20:15 Yes then put a fence around it and call it prison Oct 15 00:20:16 New money is often worse than old money. Old money doesn't have so much tendency to convince themselves they did it all alone with no help from anyone. Oct 15 00:20:17 * Shidash has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 15 00:20:18 they should not have to get anywhere near the great unwashed Oct 15 00:20:30 we should send them tribute Oct 15 00:21:14 Let us call them "job creators" Oct 15 00:21:27 or deciders Oct 15 00:21:31 lol Oct 15 00:21:31 jobs are created by filling a need Oct 15 00:21:46 the people determine the need Oct 15 00:21:52 let us bend over and spread 'em for them Oct 15 00:21:56 the business fills the need Oct 15 00:22:11 businesses do not create jobs Oct 15 00:22:15 Customers create jobs. Firms don't hire if they don't have enough business. They do hire if they do have enough business -- pretty much no matter who's running them. Oct 15 00:22:17 I'am on the fence here why should I hate the rich? I would love to be rich. Oct 15 00:22:37 I don't hate the rich. I hate the influence of money on politics Oct 15 00:22:40 you shouldn't hate anyone Oct 15 00:22:43 RonPaul-endthe: only the greedy ones Oct 15 00:22:46 There's no need to hate the rich. But they should pay way more taxes than they do. Oct 15 00:22:55 why hate Oct 15 00:23:03 I hate the fact that too many of them feel entitled Oct 15 00:23:11 But I don't hate them. Oct 15 00:23:31 I try not to hate as a life rule. Sometimes its hard. Oct 15 00:23:31 manipulate --- kidding Oct 15 00:23:35 their wealth doesn't bother me at all, it's the superior attitude Oct 15 00:23:35 * OccupyBoston090 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 00:23:41 * OccupyBoston929 (~OccupyBos@e-13-26-252-721.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 00:23:48 it's their sense of entitlement Oct 15 00:23:49 Taxes should be allocated so as to do the least harm. taking another dollar from someone who'll still have a billion does way less harm than taking another dollar from someone who already has to decide between healthy food and paying the rent. Oct 15 00:24:13 tax war profits at a higher rate Oct 15 00:24:28 * OccupyBoston240 (~OccupyBos@s-52-041-35-018.hsd4.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 00:24:31 Pay less to war profiteers in the first place. Oct 15 00:24:44 * schock (~schock@76.119.vml.uq) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 00:24:44 * bostongeorge has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 00:24:44 dsws get your point- all about percentages Oct 15 00:24:59 * OccupyBoston240 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 00:25:11 * DanglingMan has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 00:25:33 Then there's the distinction between the nominal incidence of a tax and its real or economic incidence. Oct 15 00:26:02 dsws please explain Oct 15 00:26:20 so are everyone here voting for obama, or can we come to its time for a 3rd or 4th ect... party!!!! Oct 15 00:27:09 When A pays B for X dollars for whatever, and you tax it a dollar, it doesn't matter whether you say A has to pay an extra dollar or B has to pay the dollar. Either way, A pays X+1 dollars and B gets X dollars. Oct 15 00:27:46 I think the real fight for occupy should be to fight the two party's. Oct 15 00:27:50 ah- get you now thanks Oct 15 00:28:12 A third-party candidacy can't accomplish much as long as we have single-seat plurality elections. Oct 15 00:28:37 If you want viable third-party politics, you have to change the election system. Oct 15 00:28:47 didnt we already try a third party with Nader Oct 15 00:29:22 You can have majority (aka runoff) elections instead of plurality, or you can have some system where elections of multiple offices are linked in some way. Oct 15 00:29:34 My favorite is just to eliminate gerrymandering. Oct 15 00:29:53 FK Nader sorry... but there is not reason this country cant run on more then a two party line. Oct 15 00:30:12 just sayinng that its has been tried Oct 15 00:30:46 It has but I think it would work more then ever. Oct 15 00:30:56 When you register to vote, you would get to decide which seat you want to vote for. If Libertarians organize to have all their supporters register to vote for seat 18, then Libertarian candidates would have a good shot at winning that seat. Oct 15 00:31:08 hey imc techs have set up this site for proposals/ideas/rating: http://occupyideas.cc :) Oct 15 00:32:05 but then the candidate will ony be ridiculed on tv - - - Oct 15 00:32:11 Iam listed as uninrolled (sp) what ever that means. Oct 15 00:32:39 * jim has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 15 00:32:46 If you can get a majority of voters for a particular seat, who cares if you get ridiculed on tv? You've still got a seat in Congress. Oct 15 00:33:03 like ron paul... Oct 15 00:33:12 Ron Paul runs as a Republican. Oct 15 00:33:48 * OccupyBoston929 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 00:33:51 That's what we need in this country 5 maybe 10 differant partys running. Oct 15 00:33:53 * OccupyBoston191 (~OccupyBos@e-13-26-252-721.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 00:33:58 He pretty much has to. He couldn't have won as a Libertarian. He probably could now as an incumbent, but he got elected as a Republican. Oct 15 00:34:17 Just eliminate gerrymandering, and we would have 5 or 10 parties. Oct 15 00:34:31 my chat keeps freezing...anyone else? Oct 15 00:34:39 Mine has been ok. Oct 15 00:34:51 191 no issues Oct 15 00:35:12 k thanks Oct 15 00:35:42 what is gerrymandering? Oct 15 00:35:45 The usual recommendation is party voting, where you vote for a party and the party gets a number of seats proportional to its share of the vote. I don't like that very well. Oct 15 00:36:28 Gerrymandering is drawing districts. Elbridge Gerry, I think his name was, drew a district that a political cartoon parodied as looking like a salamander. Oct 15 00:37:21 191 and congress regularly moves the district lines around Oct 15 00:37:23 Whichever party controls the state legislature splits up the other party's supporters into minorities in as many districts as possible, and packs the rest into as few districts as possible. Oct 15 00:37:34 State legislatures do it, not Congress. Oct 15 00:37:35 Thanks dsws just reading about gerrymandering. bookmark it as will not be able to read the full page (have a friday drink) Oct 15 00:37:38 * AndrewVET (~AndrewVET@577.sub-65-308-55.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 00:37:48 dsws thanks for correction Oct 15 00:38:09 Usual proposals to deal with gerrymandering are pretty futile: try to come up with a non-partisan group to do it. Oct 15 00:38:21 Just get rid of the districts entirely, and let the people choose. Oct 15 00:38:49 thanks. Then I agree Oct 15 00:38:54 * TheRavenProject has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 15 00:39:25 like the idea of getting rude of districts in away. Will read more about in the am. Oct 15 00:39:40 the line shifting is party politics- each party tries to shape district to demographics advantageous to them in elections Oct 15 00:39:54 I don't think I've ever heard the idea from anyone else. As far as I can recall, I came up with it myself. Oct 15 00:40:12 I know that be it left or right. lol Oct 15 00:41:01 what about enacting term limits for congress? Oct 15 00:41:11 dsws you saying a state's voters vote for all the seats for that state? Oct 15 00:41:13 Like very much. Oct 15 00:41:30 No, when you register to vote, you pick one seat to vote for. Oct 15 00:41:36 ah Oct 15 00:41:52 intersting notion Oct 15 00:42:19 I don't think term limits can do all that much. Oct 15 00:42:33 * BigWhopper99 (~BigWhoppe@lsdb-48-104-05-234.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 00:42:57 now understand what you wrote previously of a particular party loading up on 1 seat Oct 15 00:43:08 of course it would ... essentially people have been elected to congress for so long they have completely lost touch with the people they represent Oct 15 00:43:29 If they're too short, they strengthen the position of the unelected permanent denizens of DC relative to the elected ones. Oct 15 00:43:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @OccupyPics: keep em coming! RT @jjinsf: Thanks for the RTs. I try to capture the voice of the people through their signs. #occupysf #ows #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/ChefDavidWalker/statuses/125067198598348800 Oct 15 00:43:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Photo: Occupy Boston (day 15) 14/10/11: activestills posted a... http://t.co/pNrsCTSA #usa #boston #ma #occupyBoston #Wq #p2 #tcot #ows - http://twitter.com/OccupyPics/statuses/125067393742548992 Oct 15 00:44:00 * OccupyBoston191 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 00:44:07 Is there anyone live from the site? Oct 15 00:44:21 If lobbyists are the only ones who've been there long enough to know the ropes, lobbyists will run the show even more than they do, and party apparatus will run the show less. Oct 15 00:44:36 one thing term limits doesn't change the system itself- only switches out the personnel more quickly with no systemic change Oct 15 00:44:50 stop the lobbyisting! Oct 15 00:44:59 if that a word Oct 15 00:45:30 lobbying one of corporations tentacles into gov Oct 15 00:45:50 In other words stop lobbying!! Oct 15 00:46:15 It might make districts more competitive, actually. If you're trying to maximize party advantage, the incentive is to have all the districts have 50%+1 vote for your party and 50%-1 vote for the other party. That way you get as many seats as possible out of the support you have. Oct 15 00:46:24 "the revolving door" is another problem Oct 15 00:46:29 That may be a thing this movement needs to push. Oct 15 00:46:59 But if you're trying to play politics, you keep the safe districts really safe for the incumbents who have the clout to get you to do so. Oct 15 00:47:22 * kingnixon has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 15 00:47:32 Don't try to stop lobbying completely. Limit it as much as possible, but no more. Oct 15 00:47:42 Yes people have gone to jail here in Ma. for trying to chang that. Oct 15 00:47:43 If you try to stop it completely, you'll push it underground. Oct 15 00:47:46 lobbying will always exist .. If I call or write my senator, it is a form of lobbying. Oct 15 00:48:12 dsws you're putting out some interesting ideas here, but am too tired to think them through :) Oct 15 00:48:13 Ok, paid lobbying, then. Limit paid lobbying as much as possible, but no more. Oct 15 00:48:13 * OccupyBoston191 (~OccupyBos@e-13-26-252-721.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 00:48:25 The corrupt element must be removed Oct 15 00:48:37 But how? Oct 15 00:49:21 The revolving door is a bigger part of it than actual campaign contributions, I think. Oct 15 00:49:38 A fight with millions dead or by vote? Oct 15 00:50:06 dsws yes the oligarchs play both sides to their advantage Oct 15 00:50:24 If there's a lucrative "consulting" job waiting for you when you leave office, it's harder to be unbiased. Oct 15 00:50:33 [Occupy Boston] United with the World for Global Democracy - http://occupyboston.com/2011/10/15/united-with-the-world-for-global-democracy/ Oct 15 00:51:12 dsws absolutely Oct 15 00:51:34 Campaign contributions are also easier to have transparency about, than hiring by someone who owes a favor to someone. Oct 15 00:51:49 revolving door needs term limits Oct 15 00:52:04 * kingnixon (~kingnixon@s-30-444-385-814.hsd6.pa.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 00:52:53 that was/is one of ny demands- set amount of time from public to private and vice versa Oct 15 00:52:56 Even if the people involved are *trying* to be honest, they still know the people they met, have positive impressions of the people they got along with. Oct 15 00:53:16 human nature Oct 15 00:53:16 * OccupyBoston078 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 15 00:53:57 Anyone one site on line? Oct 15 00:54:02 Police forces are sometimes talked about as examples of how to prevent corruption. Oct 15 00:54:29 You need to pay well enough to remove the temptation, and enforce well enough to offset the temptation. Oct 15 00:54:31 I think the term limits are key .. think about some of these reps / senators .... 40+ years in office ... that is crazy, when our government was formed politics was never intended to be a profession Oct 15 00:54:47 * schock has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 15 00:54:56 * BigWhopper99 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 00:54:58 barny frank must go!!! lol Oct 15 00:55:14 what? when our govt was formed, a lot of the people who formed it spent hte rest of their lives working in it Oct 15 00:55:27 I'd rather reduce the advantages of incumbency, instead of putting in term limits. Oct 15 00:55:31 * BigWhopper99 (~BigWhoppe@lsdb-48-104-05-234.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 00:56:09 * OccupyBoston126 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 00:56:19 They didn't intend it to be that way, but it was, from the beginning. Oct 15 00:56:25 * OccupyBoston191 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 00:56:30 * OccupyBoston191 (~OccupyBos@e-13-26-252-721.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 00:56:54 anyone here play chess? Oct 15 00:56:59 Is anyone one line from the site aka media tent maybe. Oct 15 00:57:10 Im not saying it didnt happen but it wasnt intended to be that way Oct 15 00:57:48 * siegfail is now known as siegfail-offsite Oct 15 00:57:54 They didn't intend there to be parties, and they didn't intend to have candidates run for office. Oct 15 00:58:28 must hit the sack- enjoyed the stimulating discussion especially dsws. until tomorrow peeps Oct 15 00:58:34 * hosap has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 00:58:52 you can eliminate the advantage of the incumbency with term limits. Someone like Mitch McConnell can not just continuely will elections because he goes virtually unchallenged. Oct 15 00:59:13 They still have an advantage, until they reach their limit. Oct 15 00:59:39 * RonPaul-endthe has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 00:59:56 I should hit the hay too. Oct 15 01:01:11 * AndrewVET has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 01:01:38 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnwkqdKI4jk Oct 15 01:02:14 * ywwg_mobile (~androirc@f-21-044-99-506.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 01:02:48 * ywwg_mobile has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 01:03:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Sara723: A large number of tents lined up in Dewey Square @ #OccupyBoston yesterday - Very #Tahrir Style #Jan25 #Egypt http://t.co/DVOWGuwp - http://twitter.com/SasoZiade/statuses/125074036534419456 Oct 15 01:03:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Sara723: Medical Tent @ #OccupyBoston http://t.co/ZZ2P2rGs - http://twitter.com/SasoZiade/statuses/125074105996292096 Oct 15 01:04:09 * ywwg_mobile (~androirc@f-21-044-99-506.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 01:05:30 * ywwg_mobile has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 01:06:39 * OccupyBoston191 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 01:08:23 * moonunitzappa has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 15 01:09:39 * TimFromLA (~TimFromLA@206.209.jws.s) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 01:09:45 Good evening Oct 15 01:10:32 I guess everyone is asleep Oct 15 01:10:40 Solidarity! Oct 15 01:10:42 oh hi! Oct 15 01:10:50 I'm not always paying attention. Oct 15 01:11:05 LOL Siegfail-offsite Oct 15 01:11:14 Anyone know any architects? Oct 15 01:11:14 What's the status? Oct 15 01:11:20 * mojooccupy (~mojooccup@x-69-240-681-210.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 01:11:25 What's the status? Oct 15 01:11:34 For what? Oct 15 01:11:37 The status of the camp is flooded, windy, and cold. Yeah, I'm offsite for a bit... Oct 15 01:12:03 Oh why do you need an architect? Oct 15 01:13:00 Designing temporary yet strong and winterized structures for the occupation. Oct 15 01:13:17 Tents suck Oct 15 01:13:36 Siegfail-offsite check out Survivorman. Oct 15 01:13:44 * OccupyBoston191 (~OccupyBos@e-13-26-252-721.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 01:13:47 ok... Oct 15 01:14:05 Reason why, he survived extreme cold and heat Oct 15 01:14:26 So you have a camp? Oct 15 01:14:50 * OccupyBoston191 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 01:16:15 Since the last encampment, is OWSboston found a new spot? Oct 15 01:18:21 * mojooccupy has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 01:19:48 BRB Oct 15 01:20:01 * TimFromLA has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 01:21:21 * TimFromLA (~TimFromLA@206.209.jws.s) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 01:21:29 * TimFromLA has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 01:24:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #OccupyBoston @ Dewey Square. Sign (Arabic) Reads: "We are the 99% , they are the 1%. Long live the revolution& (cont) http://t.co/K481AEvJ - http://twitter.com/Sara723/statuses/125079327271424000 Oct 15 01:24:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] You dared them to arrest you....they did....shut up. http://t.co/qM49aGH5 #OWS #OccupyBoston #tcot - http://twitter.com/erickbrockway/statuses/125079403855224832 Oct 15 01:27:58 * GMezz (~GMezz@y-59-92-921-561.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 01:31:48 * GMezz has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 01:32:19 * climatejusticenow (~climateju@fbvg-317-4-518-61.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 01:32:33 * climatejusticenow has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 01:37:46 * OccupyBoston396 (~OccupyBos@u-71-01-02-848.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 01:37:52 * OccupyBoston396 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 01:39:21 * OccupyBoston675 (~OccupyBos@h-68-75-743-03.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 01:39:33 * ooride has quit () Oct 15 01:40:01 * OccupyBoston675 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 01:44:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @harmonywho: RT @TheChristianLft: 10 Things Christians Should Know & Do about the Occupy Protests http://t.co/bpI7xVDt @walterga #OccupyBoston - http://twitter.com/TeaPartyUSA1/statuses/125084020454326272 Oct 15 01:44:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @Who_isMufasa what did Fox do now?? Re: #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/crowfaery/statuses/125084169897381888 Oct 15 01:48:26 * OccupyBoston699 (~OccupyBos@88-822-352-05.wavecable.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 01:48:31 * OccupyBoston699 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 01:50:25 * aimee has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 15 01:52:17 * sigmoid has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 15 02:04:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] An INTENSE moment of TRUTH with MAINSTREAM Media http://t.co/324o9glm via @youtube @oocupyboston #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/aaronspagnolo/statuses/125089208883871745 Oct 15 02:04:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] DEER @TheDemocrats & @RNC your foreign policy sucks the big one #ows #occupyboston #jag #baabaa #woofwoof #oinkoink #cowpie - http://twitter.com/noyb100/statuses/125089388672724997 Oct 15 02:14:25 * Afroduck (~owner@ekkjqv46ye5-352-966.dynamic.mtsallstream.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 02:18:07 * Manitcor (~Manitcor@173.76.hzl.ji) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 02:18:18 hiya everyone Oct 15 02:19:09 Just wanted to kick something out there for you folks to read. See this thread and my reply if you have the time: http://www.reddit.com/r/OccupyBoston/comments/lc5l5/countering_the_youre_paying_for_it_argument/c2rnbij?context=3 Oct 15 02:19:56 * voidclimber (~voidclimb@463-3-109-032.c8-1.wrx-ubr5.sbo-wrx.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 02:20:05 hi void Oct 15 02:20:27 hello Oct 15 02:20:52 seems everyone is asleep or chatting elsewhere Oct 15 02:21:10 was hoping to get some feedback if someone had the time to read something Oct 15 02:21:18 * OccupyBoston212 (~OccupyBos@30.sub-41-771-164.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 02:22:49 * BigWhopper99 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 02:22:52 Way to go Boston general assembly!! couldn't of said it better myself. no really. U did great! The critics say that we are lacking direction and a clear message... looks like u guys proved them wrong again. WAY TO GO!! Oct 15 02:23:30 Wow was GA good tonight? Oct 15 02:24:01 there had been a lot of talk about making it tighter Oct 15 02:24:02 GA was an awesome drum circle Oct 15 02:24:12 nice Oct 15 02:24:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @malcolmjackson: Jamarhl Crawford speaks truth at #OccupyBoston http://t.co/yGuCdsBH This message needs 2 b heard everywhere #ows @jamarhlakauno - http://twitter.com/rjoseph7777/statuses/125094201120661504 Oct 15 02:24:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #OccupyBoston Police Beat War Veterans http://t.co/IPGHyALw - http://twitter.com/londonriots8/statuses/125094414824652800 Oct 15 02:24:49 It was pouring rain and people were holding a tarp up with their hands over the drum circle. It was awesome. Oct 15 02:24:49 reading the blog post now Oct 15 02:24:59 i like the resloution Oct 15 02:25:11 or statement rather Oct 15 02:25:21 its inspiring for sure Oct 15 02:25:37 good job everyone, thank you all so much for being out there Oct 15 02:25:43 you people are incredible Oct 15 02:26:21 * WooF (h@b-98-24-16-407.hsd4.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 02:26:25 WOOOOO Oct 15 02:26:33 hello boston Oct 15 02:26:43 if anyone has some time, I would love some feed back on this post and my reply: http://www.reddit.com/r/OccupyBoston/comments/lc5l5/countering_the_youre_paying_for_it_argument/c2rnbij?context=3 Oct 15 02:26:55 think i might try to turn it into something more if it has any legs Oct 15 02:26:58 hey WooF Oct 15 02:27:24 hello Manitcor Oct 15 02:27:36 i've been at OB three times now Oct 15 02:27:43 probably going into the bean again tommorow to join Oct 15 02:28:02 yeah, I was out there a couple time, brought a ton of dounuts last night to the campers Oct 15 02:28:02 i have some input now that i've been out there a few times Oct 15 02:28:05 good man Oct 15 02:28:09 that made some smiles Oct 15 02:28:11 :) Oct 15 02:29:03 would love any input, good or bad, they were pretty good questions and after talking to folks out there I kinda feel like my statments are somewhere in the ballpark at least Oct 15 02:29:21 stop using the term democracy Oct 15 02:29:27 and switch it to 'constitutional repubic' Oct 15 02:29:36 ohh good idea Oct 15 02:29:43 ill do find and replace on it now Oct 15 02:30:10 nice Oct 15 02:30:15 It's 2:30am. Let's tell jokes. Oct 15 02:30:24 a gay satanist walks into a bar Oct 15 02:30:26 * OccupyBoston212 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 02:30:29 the bartender goes Oct 15 02:30:31 what will it be mr president Oct 15 02:30:43 oh man 2 funi hur hurrrr LOL Oct 15 02:30:54 derp Oct 15 02:31:20 lol Oct 15 02:31:28 lol Oct 15 02:31:41 How many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb? Oct 15 02:31:41 is 'gregg' still here Oct 15 02:31:48 THAT'S NOT FUNNY Oct 15 02:31:52 siegfail, what's a lightbulb doing in the KITCHEN Oct 15 02:31:56 (not funny either) Oct 15 02:32:20 "That's not funny" is the joke. I am tired. Oct 15 02:32:49 i missed the police arrests Oct 15 02:32:57 kinda BS in my opinion Oct 15 02:32:59 Manitcor Oct 15 02:33:02 there were more arrests tonight? Oct 15 02:33:08 i have another recommendation besides republic in place of liberty Oct 15 02:33:15 i have a quote i wrote in my note book Oct 15 02:33:20 * OccupyBoston211 (~OccupyBos@196-8-00-869-pgzbmsg1g.bu.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 02:33:25 i do not need credit for it, but i think it'd serve the movement well Oct 15 02:33:30 I heard someone was detained for bringing in building materials. Oct 15 02:33:35 oh, right Oct 15 02:33:38 if you'd like to hear it Oct 15 02:33:38 but no arrests Oct 15 02:33:42 yeah Oct 15 02:33:44 ai am I using the word democracy in my post there? Oct 15 02:33:46 they just didn't let them in with the lumber Oct 15 02:33:48 I cant find it Oct 15 02:33:50 no Oct 15 02:33:52 did I butcherthe spelling Oct 15 02:33:54 no more democracy Oct 15 02:33:55 republic. Oct 15 02:33:58 democracys are dangerous Oct 15 02:34:00 lol Oct 15 02:34:02 * Cyris (~Cyris@m-690-60-34-347.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 02:34:07 i dont run the reddit Oct 15 02:34:10 hey all Oct 15 02:34:11 i just made the post Oct 15 02:34:15 hey cykros Oct 15 02:34:17 er Oct 15 02:34:19 Cyris: Oct 15 02:34:19 Manitcor Oct 15 02:34:21 Who's runs the reddit? Oct 15 02:34:23 'you do not need a permit for the cause of liberty' Oct 15 02:34:24 ^this. Oct 15 02:34:40 its poorly run down there Oct 15 02:34:46 im never going in again if that shit councel remains Oct 15 02:34:54 WooF I like those kinds of statements but they don't sell as well to the people asking legitmite questions about cose Oct 15 02:34:55 no offense Oct 15 02:34:56 cost Oct 15 02:35:04 rehtoric only serves to deflect Oct 15 02:35:06 * OccupyBoston211 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 02:35:09 its not rehtoric Oct 15 02:35:14 irony... Oct 15 02:35:20 it will be seen as that by someone asking those questions Oct 15 02:35:22 * playersball (~playersba@30.sub-41-771-164.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 02:35:27 put yourself in thier shoes Oct 15 02:35:32 a permit resolves to the idea that this is a privlage Oct 15 02:35:34 nay i say, it's a RIGHT Oct 15 02:35:41 and I say that as well in my post Oct 15 02:35:43 its not rehtoric at all. Oct 15 02:36:15 but I try and couch it in more conserative terms that center around what someone asking those questions might better identify with Oct 15 02:36:23 there's an #oblogistics, guys. I'm all alone in there. Oct 15 02:36:25 go beyound conservative and republic Oct 15 02:36:28 and liberal Oct 15 02:36:31 it's about liberty Oct 15 02:36:34 that we can govern themselves Oct 15 02:36:37 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Join #OccupyBoston today at 5pm(est) in a worldwide drum circle to show solidarity for occupy movements. #Rhythm #DrumCircle - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125095539216887808 Oct 15 02:36:38 if people want socialism, no government Oct 15 02:36:39 that's fine Oct 15 02:36:40 siegfail-offsite: that's why you need to hang out in here more :) Oct 15 02:36:44 you can do that in a republic, just keep it on a local level Oct 15 02:36:47 but for now, give me liberty Oct 15 02:36:52 (libery being that i can govern myself) Oct 15 02:36:55 liberty* Oct 15 02:36:56 quick stat to drive it home.. the top 16 hedge fund CEO's each made 1 billion dollars last year... no thats not the stat ... ur average fireman police officer, teacher ect. make 50 grand a year. give or take. hear comes the stat Oct 15 02:37:02 I dont disagree woof but you have to engage these people in direct disucssion, quotes like that only go so far Oct 15 02:37:09 i should give a speech Oct 15 02:37:11 i have a way with words Oct 15 02:37:23 write one up man Oct 15 02:37:26 doooiiiet Oct 15 02:37:27 i have several Oct 15 02:37:34 aweomse Oct 15 02:37:41 i am just a skeptic Oct 15 02:37:42 that's all Oct 15 02:37:42 * siegfail-offsite has quit (Quit: Bye) Oct 15 02:37:44 no offense of course Oct 15 02:37:49 of what? Oct 15 02:37:52 FEDS Oct 15 02:37:54 in order to make what one of these hedge fund CEO's make in 1 hour. ur 50 grand a year employee would have to work 50 years!!! wtf Oct 15 02:37:57 'socialists' Oct 15 02:37:57 LMAO Oct 15 02:37:59 * siegfail (~AndChat@p685769v3.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 02:38:01 sweet christ Oct 15 02:38:02 there were some there last time i was there Oct 15 02:38:26 if you dont think its being infilitrated you must not understand intelligence Oct 15 02:38:27 remember though, you dont want to run people off who genuinely care Oct 15 02:38:28 * siegfail has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 02:38:38 of course not Oct 15 02:38:47 i found that out using math :P i know they dont teach us to good in school but i figurd it out :) Oct 15 02:38:50 * siegfail (~AndChat@p685769v3.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 02:38:56 siegfail, connection errors? Oct 15 02:38:57 lol players Oct 15 02:39:19 who can make me a flag Oct 15 02:39:20 ill pay them Oct 15 02:39:29 any of you guys sew? Oct 15 02:39:34 I just posted a video of me singing "I bought the law" (i.e. tune of "I fought the law" with lyrics I just made up) Oct 15 02:39:51 are you going to link us? Oct 15 02:39:51 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX11dv-qvFk Oct 15 02:39:59 * playersball has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 02:40:01 doh, thought I had Oct 15 02:40:08 rofl Oct 15 02:40:10 * playersball (~playersba@30.sub-41-771-164.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 02:40:11 Messing with my client Oct 15 02:40:24 * Manitcor has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 02:40:47 leftyfb PM me on aim in 2 in Oct 15 02:40:50 * Manitcor (~Manitcor@173.76.hzl.ji) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 02:40:51 min* Oct 15 02:40:54 dsws, i dont really understand the message Oct 15 02:40:57 text-flood alert, lyrics incoming ... Oct 15 02:40:57 ok? Oct 15 02:40:57 cool clash song and cover though Oct 15 02:40:59 Shadow banking and-a, bank run Oct 15 02:40:59 I bought the law and-a, I won Oct 15 02:40:59 I bought the law and-a, I won. Oct 15 02:40:59 Oughta be illegal but-a, uh-uh Oct 15 02:40:59 I bought ... x2 Oct 15 02:40:59 I got my bailout and the deal's so bad, Oct 15 02:40:59 for almost everyone. Oct 15 02:40:59 But it's the best deal I've ever had. Oct 15 02:40:59 I bought ... x2 Oct 15 02:40:59 Robbin' people with a, hedge fund Oct 15 02:40:59 I bought ... x2 Oct 15 02:40:59 I kept my bonus it's a, good sum. Oct 15 02:40:59 I bought ... x2 Oct 15 02:40:59 I got my bailout and the deal's so bad, Oct 15 02:40:59 for almost everyone. Oct 15 02:40:59 But it's the best deal I've ever had. Oct 15 02:40:59 I bought ... x2 Oct 15 02:41:07 please don't Oct 15 02:41:10 paste to pastebin Oct 15 02:41:11 fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff Oct 15 02:41:12 * Manitcor has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 02:41:16 please don't Oct 15 02:41:17 paste to pastebin Oct 15 02:41:17 keep gettin booted... good job awnsering those questions mani.. Oct 15 02:41:24 * You have been kicked from #occupyboston by leftyfb (dsws) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 15 02:41:24 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 15 02:41:38 2011 Oct 15 02:41:38 * Now talking on #occupyboston Oct 15 02:41:38 * Topic for #occupyboston is: IRC channel for #occupyboston || occupyboston.com | livestream.com/occupyboston | "Remember that justice and the struggle for justice is what love looks like in public" -- Dr. Cornel West, speaking at OB || Disclaimer: this is a peaceful forum. Opinons expressed are not endorsed by OB. Oct 15 02:41:38 * Topic for #occupyboston set by leftyfb!leftyfb@fmaqj.can.be.only.one.leftyfb.com at Fri Oct 14 09:29:30 2011 Oct 15 02:41:39 -crispusattucks- Welcome to #occupyboston. Please visit http://occupyboston.com for updates and http://www.livestream.com/occupyboston for the livestream. Oct 15 02:41:40 may i post my flag Oct 15 02:41:42 come on dsws Oct 15 02:41:45 http://i51.tinypic.com/o5ajwx.jpg Oct 15 02:41:47 ^my flag Oct 15 02:41:49 who can sew this Oct 15 02:41:49 What's pastebin? Oct 15 02:41:50 ill pay them Oct 15 02:41:54 I'm out. Silly. Goodnight Oct 15 02:41:57 there's 100 ways you could have done that without being annoying Oct 15 02:42:01 * siegfail has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 02:42:10 dsws: http://pastebin.com Oct 15 02:42:20 drinkin rocks in the, the hot sun. . . Oct 15 02:42:33 could also post the lyrics on the youtube page Oct 15 02:42:43 or dropbox if you have it Oct 15 02:42:44 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBeT4ptY9sY (obligatory original song by the clash) Oct 15 02:42:57 so guys Oct 15 02:42:59 taxing the rich Oct 15 02:43:04 and these phantom ideas Oct 15 02:43:09 is it our best approach? Oct 15 02:43:12 i dont think so Oct 15 02:43:18 me either Oct 15 02:43:44 read the nes Boston general assemble post on Occupy boston web site Oct 15 02:43:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCRnkamitVk&feature=share Oct 15 02:43:51 I don't find multiple lines of text annoying unless there's enough activity to make them scroll stuff. Didn't realize other people did. Oct 15 02:43:52 i have listend live to the assembly Oct 15 02:43:54 I think that guy has the right idea Oct 15 02:43:56 and it made me repulsed Oct 15 02:44:07 thats better.. and oh yea. redistribute the wealth Oct 15 02:44:10 * Manitcor (~Manitcor@173.76.hzl.ji) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 02:44:18 think who has the right idea? Oct 15 02:44:18 * theonlytruestyle2 (~theonlytr@017-076-586-16.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 02:44:18 redistrube the wealth? Oct 15 02:44:19 why? Oct 15 02:44:23 i make like 40k a year Oct 15 02:44:24 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Sara723: #OccupyBoston http://t.co/OP6VYda2 - http://twitter.com/aleve74/statuses/125099045290131456 Oct 15 02:44:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] 'George W Bush Sewage Plant' Proposed In San Francisco http://t.co/sYoKDEiQ #OWS #OccupyBoston | #smellsomething #jag #baabaa #cowpie - http://twitter.com/noyb100/statuses/125099134301634560 Oct 15 02:44:29 why should my money be split up? Oct 15 02:44:30 wont work. Oct 15 02:44:36 the only people that dont want it are the SUPER rich Oct 15 02:44:43 i dont want it and im lower middle class Oct 15 02:44:58 it wont work Oct 15 02:45:01 people wont give into that Oct 15 02:45:05 if u make 250 thousand a year, and we redistributed the wealth,, u would make money bud Oct 15 02:45:17 i dont want free money Oct 15 02:45:19 * Manitcor has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 02:45:21 i want government to leave me alone Oct 15 02:45:28 as long as i dont hurt anyone or their property Oct 15 02:45:36 to true Oct 15 02:45:58 some one making 250k a year is okay i suppose Oct 15 02:46:02 Property is a crock. It's power relations. Oct 15 02:46:04 its far beyound that Oct 15 02:46:14 but these conglomarate institutions will bleed u out of house and home Oct 15 02:46:15 dsws, i worked for my little shack and my land Oct 15 02:46:18 and ill defend it to the death Oct 15 02:46:27 we need real property Oct 15 02:46:30 no more property taxes Oct 15 02:46:44 let us be kings in our own castles Oct 15 02:46:48 eventually... they've done it to a heep of peeps already Oct 15 02:47:07 * Manitcor (~Manitcor@173.76.hzl.ji) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 02:47:13 instead of my home and so on belonging to me? it should collectivly belong to the state? Oct 15 02:47:14 Prices are real. They're marginal rates of substitution. Property isn't. No one made land. No one now alive domesticated wheat. Oct 15 02:47:17 don't you see a danger in this? Oct 15 02:47:45 Property of the state? That's even worse than property of individuals. Oct 15 02:47:49 well said woof. it wont happen unless we have a government for the people by the people and of the people Oct 15 02:48:01 like i said, we need to govern ourselves Oct 15 02:48:13 the 'governments job' should be limited, to insure our rights Oct 15 02:48:32 thats it. Oct 15 02:48:40 and (not reps) but public servants Oct 15 02:48:47 not for the corporation, by the corporations, and of the corporations.. who y the way, have all the wealth Oct 15 02:48:47 should be appointmented (which we can vote to call back) Oct 15 02:49:08 if you can be voted in, you can be voted out. Oct 15 02:49:29 a petitition of 10,000 signs` should allow a vote the following week (once collected) Oct 15 02:49:33 to call back our public servants Oct 15 02:49:41 if they're doing a 'shit' (pardon) job Oct 15 02:49:55 sure you may say, then our gov will be ineffiecent Oct 15 02:49:58 but thats what we want Oct 15 02:50:02 we dont want new laws every damn week Oct 15 02:50:04 * playersball has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 02:50:15 * playersball (~playersba@30.sub-41-771-164.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 02:50:32 * yman has quit (Excess Flood) Oct 15 02:50:50 Government should provide basic services, infrastructure, regulation. Oct 15 02:51:06 we shouldnt have corporations Oct 15 02:51:24 * JoshFC (~JoshFC@695-71-02-252.hlrn.qwest.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 02:51:38 * OccupyBoston044 (~OccupyBos@k-16-747-78-802.hsd6.ca.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 02:51:41 Private ownership is way, way too coercive. If you own what someone needs for survival, that's no different than a gun to their head. Oct 15 02:51:43 * JoshFC has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 02:51:44 * JoshFC (~JoshFC@695-71-02-252.hlrn.qwest.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 02:51:53 * OccupyBoston044 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 02:51:55 i dont own what someone needs for survival Oct 15 02:52:00 * yman (~yahman@sfri-xjlj-ljns-79-11-26-398.consolidated.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 02:52:03 i own like an acre Oct 15 02:52:06 in central mass Oct 15 02:52:11 yeah, got news for you, the real guns pointed at the planet Oct 15 02:52:42 we're in uganda now Oct 15 02:52:44 as of today Oct 15 02:52:45 If there were no government, someone would own the road you need to get to the grocery store. Someone would own the water supply to your home. Oct 15 02:52:46 another illegal way Oct 15 02:52:47 war* Oct 15 02:53:04 dsws... i'd allow wells... Oct 15 02:53:13 you can use your property and get your own water Oct 15 02:53:21 woof feel free to type in pagragraph form :) Oct 15 02:53:33 i apologize cyris, i have a bad habit of typing Oct 15 02:53:33 like Oct 15 02:53:34 this Oct 15 02:54:06 i do to dont worry, just keep it in ine Oct 15 02:54:09 mind* Oct 15 02:54:22 Hi, is there anyone from the Boston webteam or anyone else that is webpage savvy to help me get a local Occupy page started? Oct 15 02:54:23 If you happen to own land that has *everything*, congratulations, you're a subsistence farmer. But there's no way everyone can be a subsistence farmer with 7B people in the world. Oct 15 02:54:36 dsws, everyone in the world could live in texas Oct 15 02:54:38 and sustain themselves Oct 15 02:54:49 overpopulation is a stem off of the modern eugenics movement Oct 15 02:54:54 Ok, you're not serious. Oct 15 02:54:57 yes i am Oct 15 02:55:07 i know you think it sounds nuts Oct 15 02:55:10 but look into it yourself Oct 15 02:56:23 * yman has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 15 02:56:39 * JoshFC has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 02:56:57 * ross` (~user@g-21-05-838-876.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 02:57:42 * OccupyBoston066 (~OccupyBos@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 02:58:12 Hey Boston! Oct 15 02:58:19 hi:) Oct 15 02:58:36 * ross has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 15 02:58:48 anyone oline at camp? Oct 15 02:59:22 was at camp last night Oct 15 02:59:23 home now Oct 15 02:59:27 probably though Oct 15 02:59:36 the federal reserve bank is about as federal as federal express. a private bank was granted the right to freely print money at ther whim. The federal reserve institution is wher this country went wrong, and that is who we have to overturn. Oct 15 02:59:47 playersball, that's true. yes Oct 15 02:59:48 * playersball has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 02:59:54 lol CGI:IRC Oct 15 02:59:59 * playersball (~playersba@30.sub-41-771-164.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 03:01:11 Just coming home from drinking and drove by castle island and say about 10 buses and around 300 cops hanging around! Oct 15 03:01:48 OccupyBoston066: it's getting old Oct 15 03:02:08 * OccupyBoston066 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 03:02:17 HA! Oct 15 03:02:19 sad Oct 15 03:02:24 :) Oct 15 03:02:25 :O Oct 15 03:02:27 * notlefty sets ban on *!*@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net Oct 15 03:02:38 so you guys Oct 15 03:02:44 lets ontinue discussion Oct 15 03:02:46 the federal reserve bank is about as federal as federal express. A private bank was granted the right to freely print money with no backing. seems simple but in 1913 when this happened, it started a chain of events that lead us to the situation we are in today. it is the source and start of when this country went wrong. Oct 15 03:02:55 anyone else believe this? Oct 15 03:03:06 * ghjlk (~ghjlk@otkk-62-765-610-617.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 03:03:11 invisible money, its a sad truth Oct 15 03:03:21 It's not entirely private, when the boss is appointed by the president and confirmed by the senate Oct 15 03:03:21 * ghjlk has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 03:03:23 * ghjlk (~ghjlk@otkk-62-765-610-617.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 03:03:30 dsws, that's not the boss Oct 15 03:03:33 that's the chairman Oct 15 03:04:02 there are investors, people that hold shares of it, which are private (i dont know who they are) Oct 15 03:04:05 although one can speculate Oct 15 03:04:34 its the benificiaries of this rediculious policy of printing money with no backing who are the 'hiden force' we are fighting... or will have to overturn Oct 15 03:04:54 so what would be in your eyes, including everybody, a fair person or group to regulate the banks Oct 15 03:05:07 playersball, that is partly true Oct 15 03:05:08 this is just something i want to investigate Oct 15 03:05:22 Cyris i dont know Oct 15 03:05:32 It's hard to say, I want the market to decide the value of currency Oct 15 03:05:33 Oh no dsws.. it privatly owned... the fed head is a figurehead and a frontman Oct 15 03:05:50 Previously, banks all over would issue their own bank notes. Better to have the system regulated than the mess it was before. Oct 15 03:05:56 I highly recommend reading griffons book 'the creature from jekyll island' Oct 15 03:05:58 appointed by the fed... who owns the president Oct 15 03:06:06 the FED doesn't own the president lol Oct 15 03:06:11 * kingnixon has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 15 03:06:12 WooF IT has to be Oct 15 03:06:28 but this is something that NEEDS to be deicsussed/worked on Oct 15 03:06:33 the mess it was befor.. no fool. it was a mess after Oct 15 03:07:03 Cyris, what's that? monetary policy? Oct 15 03:07:27 benjimin franklin "if u give banking institutions the ability to print money, we will all surly become slaves to those institutions" Oct 15 03:07:34 The market does decide the value of a currency. The banks issue however much they issue, and people accept it or not at some value. The Fed doesn't set prices. Oct 15 03:07:47 i didnt get that just right but u can look up exactly what he said Oct 15 03:08:01 ideally.... but i dont know if there is a group than can/will organize and keep an eyes on this thing, or if we have to work on a new one Oct 15 03:09:04 dsws, not right now it doesn't Oct 15 03:09:32 its confusing, the syestem has become so hard to look into as a whole (on purpose mind you) that there needs to be new age organization. Oct 15 03:09:52 ,lol.. the fed owns the president... litteraly Oct 15 03:09:57 * playersball has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 03:10:06 * playersball (~playersba@30.sub-41-771-164.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 03:10:17 BUt.... at first we have to work within the infrastructure that is here already Oct 15 03:10:36 i think the fed owns the president.. in a sense. not literally of course Oct 15 03:10:45 can somone google who or if anything keeps tabs on the banks other than them Oct 15 03:12:46 hmm Oct 15 03:12:49 people seem confused Oct 15 03:12:52 if you'd like Oct 15 03:12:57 i can type up exactly what the 'fed' does Oct 15 03:13:29 yews, but in paragrah form if you can... if you need speerate them Oct 15 03:13:31 i changed my mind... the fed practically appoints the president. U dont get that far in our political system without bending over for the fed Oct 15 03:14:03 playersball you dont get that far politically if you dont ben over or suck anything so far Oct 15 03:14:32 heh Oct 15 03:15:47 ronald ragin, "they say politician is the second oldest perfession, it bears a stricing resemblence to the first" i hate the dude, but he said that one right Oct 15 03:16:33 Ronald reagan was an actor Oct 15 03:16:46 he was the poorest of the Jphn Waynes Oct 15 03:16:53 and a patsy for corporat greed Oct 15 03:16:55 also possibly a homosexual Oct 15 03:16:58 (@ reagan) Oct 15 03:17:02 WooF Ouch! Oct 15 03:17:05 and senial Oct 15 03:17:09 I dont want to get into semantics Oct 15 03:17:13 but it was very possible Cyris Oct 15 03:17:14 hahaha Oct 15 03:17:27 I know right, i guess thats sorta off topic, let's disregard that NVM Oct 15 03:17:30 (lol) Oct 15 03:17:43 WooF get on that Fed info Oct 15 03:17:57 pl0x :0 Oct 15 03:18:01 Cyris, give me a second, I just finished up a work week >< after this beer i'll type something up. Oct 15 03:18:12 will do Oct 15 03:18:47 anyone seen the zeitguest films? they have great info on the creation of the fed. good films too Oct 15 03:18:58 * playersball has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 03:19:07 * playersball (~playersba@30.sub-41-771-164.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 03:19:10 i liked the first 25 min, but after that it got up its own ass Oct 15 03:19:15 can somone google who or if anything keeps tabs on the banks other than them | There are a bunch of agencies: FDIC, Fed, Comptroller. There used to be OTS for S&Ls. There's the National Credit Union Administration for credit unions. If they deal in securities, there's SEC and FINRA. Oct 15 03:19:17 * Citizen213 (~Citizen21@k-02-983-930-984.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 03:19:33 i am sorry if i am sounding condescending but i hate those movies Oct 15 03:19:36 haahaha Oct 15 03:19:55 Having multiple agencies was part of the problem. Oct 15 03:20:07 well then there is the agency Elizabeth Wareen started Oct 15 03:20:08 * Citizen213 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 03:20:15 but then got passed over to run Oct 15 03:20:24 what is it the BECE or something? Oct 15 03:20:34 * Manitcor heads to google Oct 15 03:20:53 CFPC, I think. Consumer financial products commission? Oct 15 03:21:22 * yman (~yahman@sfri-xjlj-ljns-79-11-26-398.consolidated.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 03:21:22 consumer financial protection bureau Oct 15 03:21:30 yeah way off Oct 15 03:21:36 http://readersupportednews.org/7839-elizabeth-warren-the-woman-who-knew-too-much.htm Oct 15 03:22:15 the idea was i think to bring most of those functions under that bureau Oct 15 03:22:34 many of the current systems are partially handled by the banks themselvs Oct 15 03:22:43 self-auditing, what a great idea Oct 15 03:22:56 Having multiple agencies was part of the problem. Firms could decide which agency would regulate them, sometimes by making trivial rearrangements in their structure. AIG was regulated as a savings and loan holding company, because OTS was the worst regulator. Oct 15 03:24:18 The agencies' funding depended on fees paid by the firms they regulated. So it was bidding for budgets in a race to the bottom: an agency that tried to do its job would lose the resources to do it with. Oct 15 03:24:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @DJDruNyce Me and cheez bout to fuck woth that #OccupyBoston shit n get some footage...we git some songs tha& (cont) http://t.co/vNdhNXsb - http://twitter.com/PhreshMoneyMata/statuses/125109445511491584 Oct 15 03:24:52 lol I wish them luck with that Oct 15 03:25:00 the crowd there will prove very hard to bait Oct 15 03:28:13 DSW Oct 15 03:28:16 wow Oct 15 03:28:23 * yman has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 15 03:28:24 you are the man/woman so far Oct 15 03:28:47 I've been at this for a couple years. Oct 15 03:28:53 * playersball has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 03:29:04 * playersball (~playersba@30.sub-41-771-164.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 03:29:25 dsws we need you in general assembly to kick people in the face mentally Oct 15 03:29:39 as a speaker Oct 15 03:29:58 7pm isn't a good time for me, unfortunately. I need to be home with the kids in the evening. Oct 15 03:30:05 C ya'll tomarrow OB :) wtg again. Great mission statement! Oct 15 03:30:08 understandable Oct 15 03:30:18 later playersball Oct 15 03:30:57 * playersball has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 03:31:12 Text is a better medium for it, if you can get it in front of the people who need to hear it. Oct 15 03:31:24 dsws so, what is your personal suggestion, even though it vis just yours Oct 15 03:31:30 well maybe we can ask to pick dan's brain a bit maybe get some working group people in a chat when it is convient to him Oct 15 03:31:35 if you are willing of course Oct 15 03:31:48 My personal suggestion for which? I have a lot of them. Oct 15 03:32:19 I know the Finance working group has gone 100% virtual Oct 15 03:32:20 Manitcor the moar the better Oct 15 03:32:22 as of this week Oct 15 03:32:36 i need to get in on the con calls Oct 15 03:32:43 Do you know how to get in touch with them? Oct 15 03:32:46 dsws who rgiht now should regulate the banks Oct 15 03:32:49 I do Oct 15 03:33:27 I have the phone number of the head of the group Oct 15 03:33:39 * kizmut has quit (Excess Flood) Oct 15 03:33:41 name is Terra local activist/small busineess owner Oct 15 03:33:59 * kizmut (~rootz@info.automation) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 03:34:01 shes normally at the camp in the evening too Oct 15 03:34:16 Normally I think about how rather than who. Good question ... Oct 15 03:34:39 yeah, theres supposed to be a section on the wiki Oct 15 03:34:42 listing the hows Oct 15 03:34:48 but I cant seem to located it at the moment Oct 15 03:35:33 The Fed has to do a lot of regulating the banks, because its core function is to control the money supply and banks create money. Oct 15 03:35:44 ill ping her to see if theres anything already officaly setup, if not ill get a concall line or a room setup Oct 15 03:35:56 we can set a time and ill get the contact info of the other folks from her Oct 15 03:36:02 cool Oct 15 03:37:22 shit i need to sleep, keep talking, i will come in and copy paste the convo tomorrow, with peoples IRC names so we get confirmation who said what Oct 15 03:37:26 There needs to be someone who's responsible for evaluating systemic risk. That's not naturally a Fed responsibility. It should have its own agency. Oct 15 03:37:36 but regardless this is a kdey point to the movement Oct 15 03:37:40 so keep taling Oct 15 03:37:42 night all Oct 15 03:37:47 gnight Cyris Oct 15 03:39:08 dsws sont let my leaving stop you, keep going.... that is what IRC is all about mofo :) Oct 15 03:39:34 It's not. I'm taking this long to think about who should regulate. Oct 15 03:39:34 * Manitcor is now known as jmagly Oct 15 03:39:45 * Cyris is now known as Cyris_away Oct 15 03:40:25 I would imgine such an agency would resemble more of a think tank Oct 15 03:40:32 kind of like the GAO yes? Oct 15 03:40:36 The FDIC should regulate for soundness of firms. Oct 15 03:42:05 how about credit ratings agencies, I am very murky about the details there but I would imagine there is a lot of power there that likely needs a check Oct 15 03:42:17 I don't know how the GAO is structured. Systemic risk is the responsibility of the Financial Stability Oversight Council. Oct 15 03:43:32 Yes, the credit rating agencies are a problem. They pretend to be just like anyone else, exercising their freedom of speech on the subject of the credit-worthiness of firms, and thus immune to any control. Oct 15 03:44:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] I will #occupy my toilet now. #occupyboston #occupyfrankfurt #occupygermany - http://twitter.com/ckroesch/statuses/125113620752375808 Oct 15 03:44:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @BluegrassPundit Shameful: Uniformed Coast Guard Member Spat On By #OccupyBoston Protesters http://t.co/KtDlMZT9 #tcot #OWS - http://twitter.com/kmita3/statuses/125113997233111040 Oct 15 03:45:58 A big part of the problem with regulation was intellectual capture. The experts were all associated with the industry. Oct 15 03:47:28 Well that's generally going to be the case Oct 15 03:47:59 so how do you keep the experts working in these areas from bringing the influces of thier previous employeers with them Oct 15 03:48:01 It shouldn't have to be. The best-of-the-best experts should be tenured academics. Oct 15 03:48:17 true Oct 15 03:48:20 * yman (~yahman@sfri-xjlj-ljns-79-11-26-398.consolidated.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 03:48:54 I would think if we tapped the current university system you might have a big enough group to start something Oct 15 03:49:04 or is there really that few in academia Oct 15 03:50:02 Then there's actual think tanks. If someone on the left hired a couple hundred people to think about the financial system full time, at the level of policy analysis rather than political advocacy, it could go a long way toward preventing intellectual capture. Oct 15 03:50:51 There are a decent number of people in academia, but there are even more things to think about. So coverage is pretty thin. Oct 15 03:51:00 Perhaps because I come from the technology sector I am biased but I personally like the idea of more think tanks funded by the goverment to do stuff like this Oct 15 03:52:11 it seems we have a lot of regulators and enforcers, however effective they really are, but we have a lack of just really smart people working these problems every day Oct 15 03:52:37 For that matter, there've got to be a couple hundred people like me out there. If we assume I'm one-in-a-million, that means three hundred just like me in the US. Oct 15 03:52:52 ok heres an idea Oct 15 03:53:00 pie in the sky maybee Oct 15 03:53:20 goverment think tanks comprisied of both volunteers and paid members Oct 15 03:53:21 Oh, I like space colonization and baking ... oh, not that kind of pie in the sky. Oct 15 03:53:43 recgonized experts in fields with expeirnce that if vaualble to the goal of the think tank in question Oct 15 03:54:34 levrage technolgy to allow these groups to work together in both tradational fashions but also look at new ways to make this type of large group think effective Oct 15 03:54:42 We're going to need pressure cookers when we get around to baking pie in the sky. Half an atmosphere of pressure is enough for a space colony, but not enough for proper baking. Oct 15 03:54:54 * dsws is getting goofy from lack of sleep. Oct 15 03:55:07 lol you are a proper geek Dan I approve Oct 15 03:56:39 Wikipedia already does better at mass volunteer intellectual work than any reasonable person would have predicted during my childhood. It's far from the standard that we would need to prevent intellectual capture, though. Oct 15 03:56:56 I would agree Oct 15 03:57:15 but I don't think thats so much a technical challenge as a logistical one Oct 15 03:57:37 its just determining the right balance of technolgy, tools and communication methods Oct 15 03:58:12 I'd call it mostly a social or cultural challenge: how do you get people to interact in a way that works for this. If that could be figured out, someone could code it without too much trouble. Oct 15 03:58:31 excatly Oct 15 03:58:55 this sounds like it might be a good topic to try and take into a longer disucssion Oct 15 03:59:14 a model for crowd sourcing authoritive research Oct 15 04:00:19 i think there are some great areas we can steal from to make this work, a streamlined peer review process similar to whats used in traditional scince is a good start I would think Oct 15 04:00:31 I like forums. On a forum, you're sometimes responding in almost real-time, but there's time to google things. I've had some discussions where both (or occasionally more than two) participants were virtually omniscient, i.e. taking time to look up all the relevant facts as they made each post. Oct 15 04:00:58 But forums aren't the answer. They have their problems. Oct 15 04:01:00 happens to be my forte :-) Oct 15 04:01:36 have you ever used Basecamp? Oct 15 04:01:40 No Oct 15 04:02:16 its a service for project management Oct 15 04:02:35 combines forum, file share, timeline caleandar, resourse management and time tracking Oct 15 04:02:47 I see it has templates Oct 15 04:03:12 A system like this is what I think would be a solid starting point Oct 15 04:03:16 * bel (~khad@rapauj.torservers.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 04:04:07 the real trick is, how do you keep it somewhat open as a public thinktank but at the same time verify the credentials of those who will have a voice in final research and papers Oct 15 04:04:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @OccupyPics: "How to spell "the rest of us" with pumpkins" http://t.co/tgKN74hl #occupyMadison #occupyMKE #occupysf #occupyBoston #ows #wiunion - http://twitter.com/Roggy_Hmmm/statuses/125119212107743232 Oct 15 04:04:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] DEER @TheDemocrats @RNC who is pillaging the Nest Egg http://t.co/IullmQOz #occupyboston #ows #jag #baabaa #oinkoink #woofwoof - http://twitter.com/noyb100/statuses/125119470392971266 Oct 15 04:05:07 however, twitter does something like this today, they verify the status of celebrity accounts Oct 15 04:05:37 Pick a small integer, N. Let each person vouch for one and only one other person. If a person is vouched for by N people, they gain the ability to post in tier two. If a person on tier k is vouched for by N people, they gain the ability to post in tier k+1. Oct 15 04:05:42 you can apply a similar model with different critera, would require some beauracarcy though Oct 15 04:06:03 meta-promotion Oct 15 04:06:04 hmm Oct 15 04:06:21 this is done with posts in many public posting systems like Digg and Reddit Oct 15 04:06:29 doing it with users, sure Oct 15 04:07:09 that could create a power circle at the top though that might be influcened and hard to break Oct 15 04:07:32 That's actually a concept I've imagined for political process. All citizens would be tier 0, and any tier could pass a law by unanimous consensus. Oct 15 04:08:17 If it was on a forum, admins could also invite an outside expert to join at any tier the admin chooses. Oct 15 04:09:13 I could likely hack Invision PowerBoard to do this Oct 15 04:09:38 php makes me a sad panda but I might be convinced to slog through for a proof of concept Oct 15 04:10:44 Besides managing people's credentials, you also need to manage content. Or rather, give people the tools to manage content. Oct 15 04:11:09 thats fairly easy, many established systems and patterns for that already Oct 15 04:11:30 so far the only thing we have that would be custom work is the meta-promotion tools Oct 15 04:11:53 Invision powerboard is a good test bed because it already has a group based promotion system Oct 15 04:12:09 that allows you to set rules as to how and when someone is promoted from one group to another Oct 15 04:13:00 it also has a content, chat and file share modules Oct 15 04:13:06 What structure works well for managing content? Forum discussion disappears up-thread. Wikis have pages as finished works, but don't seem to be very good for discussion. ... Oct 15 04:13:59 We would likely take a page from enterprise tools like Percussion or Documentum Oct 15 04:14:36 they tend to have a blended approach, you can do things like have a standard disucssion and tie it to specific annotation points in a document Oct 15 04:15:01 How does that play out in use? I haven't paid attention to anything like this, just use forums that are basically unchanged from a decade or more ago. Oct 15 04:15:40 it works pretty well, it varies by system but you generally have the disucssion elements and the document on once screen Oct 15 04:16:14 the disucssion is tied to annotions in the document and vice versa, so when you open a topic it snaps to the relvant section of the document Oct 15 04:16:43 there are a number of tools that can go around it tool simiar to MS word drafting and review tools Oct 15 04:16:59 highlighting, edit history with approvals Oct 15 04:17:18 then adds in enterprie content management workflow, multilevel content approval before final publish Oct 15 04:17:54 sadly, Documentum is a $1M license Oct 15 04:18:00 so is percussion Oct 15 04:18:12 wow Oct 15 04:18:14 however that does not mean we cant build or hack what we need Oct 15 04:18:58 yeah, the software at the large corprate level is incredible stuff Oct 15 04:19:24 its typically 10-15 years ahead of anything you see at smaller business, consumer or open source levels Oct 15 04:21:50 * sillyme has quit (Quit: bye for now) Oct 15 04:22:13 we could map your promotion levels to steps in the content workflow Oct 15 04:22:34 the higher you are in promotion, the further toward the end of the work flow you can make changes and approvals Oct 15 04:23:23 at the end of the workflow is a document for peer review with other tanks/org or for submission to the neccassary agency as advice/analysis/etc Oct 15 04:24:22 maybe setup consensus voting to move documents through the steps in the flow as well Oct 15 04:24:43 Discussion of any political issue, open to the public, is going to have a high ratio of low-quality participation to high-quality. And measures of popularity will almost inevitably favor stirring, simplistic rhetoric over insightful analysis. Oct 15 04:25:17 agreed, thats why I think you have to have to levels to this Oct 15 04:25:29 your public pool is like a big idea bag Oct 15 04:25:35 My promotion scheme should do better than any I've seen in use, but I don't think it's satisfactory. Oct 15 04:25:48 then there is the pool for the tank Oct 15 04:25:56 your going to have to do some intial pre-vetting Oct 15 04:26:02 i dont think you can avoid it Oct 15 04:26:06 but you can minimize it Oct 15 04:26:17 say for example Oct 15 04:26:37 to join a finance think tank perhaps you have to provide a resume and acutal references Oct 15 04:26:48 basic checks are done Oct 15 04:26:53 nothing too indepth Oct 15 04:27:23 what is imporant though is transparency Oct 15 04:27:39 so while the public in general might not be able to edit or promote documents worked on by tank members Oct 15 04:27:58 all disucssion and edits are always available and can be discussed on the public side of the site Oct 15 04:28:04 Maybe take a test as an alternative to resume. Oct 15 04:28:32 that would work, particlary in some cases where there is already standarized tests for the subject at hand Oct 15 04:29:27 the public is also allowed to vote on think tank promotions but its used as a way to inform the thinktank members of the public feelings on the topic rather than directly influcne it Oct 15 04:30:24 I don't have a resume and references that could get me into a think tank exclusive enough to be useful, but test me on it and I'll show that I'm qualified to have an opinion. Oct 15 04:30:41 i believe it Oct 15 04:31:46 I don't really like public voting on promotions. It gets back to the same dynamics that show up in popularity-based anything already. Oct 15 04:32:55 true but is it not good feed back as long as its not used as an input for the promotion, it just informs the thinktank members who have the ultimate say Oct 15 04:33:27 or would it just taint someeones view and possibly create animosity when the thinktank ingores the vote Oct 15 04:34:48 Public sentiment is more relevant about the documents produced, than about the people doing it. Oct 15 04:35:45 would you keep the promotion process closed until final publish then? Oct 15 04:37:25 Oh wait, I was thinking of "promotion" as referring to members from tier k to tier k+1. Public comment is good for documents going from one step of the process to the next. Oct 15 04:38:23 yeah sorry we have 2 promotion flows Oct 15 04:38:29 1 for docs 1 for people Oct 15 04:40:06 Best to have different words for them in actual use, even though it's perfectly apt to describe them both as promotion flows. Oct 15 04:40:47 it's the engineer in me, when it comes time to giving them names for normal humans to consume I typically ask normal humans what they think Oct 15 04:43:57 allright im off for a bit, it was nice meeting you! Oct 15 04:44:30 It's late. good meeting you too Oct 15 04:47:14 * OccupyBoston716 (~OccupyBos@544.989.418.29.ptr.us.xo.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 04:47:18 * OccupyBoston716 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 04:47:22 * OccupyBoston147 (~OccupyBos@544.989.418.29.ptr.us.xo.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 04:47:29 * OccupyBoston147 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 04:50:33 * ghjlk has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 15 05:02:08 * ghjlk (~ghjlk@otkk-62-765-610-617.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 05:02:38 * ghjlk has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 05:03:11 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net Oct 15 05:04:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #occupyBoston - http://twitter.com/PunkyGang/statuses/125133401190711297 Oct 15 05:04:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Why #OccupyBoston's Social Media Presence is Impossible to ... http://t.co/4NLIbtNE - http://twitter.com/keow0lfsb/statuses/125134623226347521 Oct 15 05:05:29 * OccupyBoston864 (~OccupyBos@71-652-47-71.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 05:06:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVL05HqFqIY - i love you guys.. after the infamous night, you kept truckin.. peace Oct 15 05:07:10 * OccupyBoston864 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 05:24:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @OccupyPics: RT @OccupyTogether: 10 Ways to Support the Occupy Movement http://t.co/gHuUQS81 #occupyboston #occupychi #occupydallas #occupysf #p2tcot - http://twitter.com/Air_Gandhi/statuses/125138488038408192 Oct 15 05:24:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @OccupyPics: RT @OccupyTogether: 10 Ways to Support the Occupy Movement http://t.co/gHuUQS81 #occupyboston #occupychi #occupydallas #occupysf #p2tcot - http://twitter.com/ZTLFIRE/statuses/125138586965262337 Oct 15 05:25:13 No rest for the weary, heh. I have put out a general call for help in the media group of Occupy Worcester. http://occupyworcester.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=37 Oct 15 05:37:13 * freddie` (~freddie@sgkp-481-0-082-511.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 05:38:53 * freddie has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 15 05:44:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Labor Teams Up with #OccupyBoston for Rally and March http://t.co/Zl75BqOo - http://twitter.com/openmediaboston/statuses/125141394548473856 Oct 15 05:44:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @ACLU_Mass: @Lockean please help spread the word about this upcoming teach-in at #occupyboston goo.gl/0XecZ Thx! - http://twitter.com/freedomuniverse/statuses/125141699008806913 Oct 15 05:51:22 * Timothy (~Timothy@m-883-38-144-656.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 05:51:54 Hi, is anybody there actually at Occupy Boston right now??? I got some news I have to give you. Oct 15 05:53:44 * Timothy has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 05:54:14 * Occupido (~Occupido@oypz-54-945-77-56.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 05:55:35 * Occupido has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 05:55:40 * Occupido (~Occupido@oypz-54-945-77-56.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 06:00:26 * OccupyBoston646 (~OccupyBos@173.216.ihg.ytp) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 06:01:29 On your WP blog, move the blogroll to the top of the sidebar. Oct 15 06:01:50 * theonlytruestyle2 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 15 06:01:54 * ooride (~0_0@nl39-390-49-726.oc.oc.cox.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 06:01:54 * OccupyBoston646 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 06:03:03 * Timothy (~Timothy@m-883-38-144-656.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 06:04:06 Hi, who is here???? Oct 15 06:04:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @slicedsky: Boston Occupiers Spit On Female Coast Guard Member In Uniform& http://t.co/ErL5G4NY #tcot #twisters #twcot #sgp #occupyBoston - http://twitter.com/bigguywj/statuses/125149436543385600 Oct 15 06:04:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Photo: beckie.loewenstein posted a photo: People dance to a drum circle organized by the... http://t.co/7vRLWWeW #occupyBoston #ows - http://twitter.com/OccupyPics/statuses/125149699253604352 Oct 15 06:04:49 Hi, I need to talk to someone. Oct 15 06:05:09 what's up? Oct 15 06:05:17 Hi, are you at occupy boston? Oct 15 06:05:21 no, sorry Oct 15 06:05:30 Ok, I need someone who is there. Oct 15 06:05:33 ah. Oct 15 06:05:40 I expect most of them are sleeping? Oct 15 06:05:47 Yea, probably. Oct 15 06:06:06 Have to give them some info. I guess it will have to wait 'til tomorrow. Oct 15 06:06:42 sorry I can't be more helpful Oct 15 06:06:57 I'm not in-state :/ Oct 15 06:08:15 * Timothy has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 06:15:21 * theonlytruestyle2 (~theonlytr@017-076-586-16.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 06:23:37 * Afroduck has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 15 06:24:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @ahawk7 @voodoopornstar did not really #occupy @littlemisstaft. It was a publicity stunt, they are both adult entertainers. #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/RickRobbinsJr/statuses/125153653173649408 Oct 15 06:24:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Photo: beckie.loewenstein posted a photo: Autumn P., a 22-year-old mother of three-month-old baby... http://t.co/WJ28Lt06 #occupyBoston #ows - http://twitter.com/OccupyPics/statuses/125153714284670976 Oct 15 06:28:38 * OccupyBoston836 (~OccupyBos@s-35-806-57-161.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 06:29:01 yello Oct 15 06:29:19 w Oct 15 06:33:33 * Occupido has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 15 06:35:41 * meowchu (~meowchu@j-14-287-7-732.hsd8.nh.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 06:36:14 * meowchu has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 06:39:13 * OccupyBoston700 (~OccupyBos@awqb-481-72-435-930.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 06:40:49 * OccupyBoston700 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 06:44:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Photo: beckie.loewenstein posted a photo: Adrienne N., a 27-year-old graduate student, hangs out... http://t.co/cAV96l3v #occupyBoston #ows - http://twitter.com/OccupyPics/statuses/125158222414876673 Oct 15 06:44:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @bostonglobe #occupyboston is what democracy looks like. http://t.co/Tfx2SiZd - http://twitter.com/JeremyBThompson/statuses/125159647341580288 Oct 15 06:50:43 * OccupyBoston836 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 07:05:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Bailout the world: US to Play 'Very Major Role In Helping Europe' Geithner http://t.co/vBBzBq6C #OWS #OccupyBoston #tcot #teaparty #p2 - http://twitter.com/Coondawg68/statuses/125164903748218880 Oct 15 07:05:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Coondawg68: Bailout the world: US to Play 'Very Major Role In Helping Europe' Geithner http://t.co/vBBzBq6C #OWS #OccupyBoston #tcot #teaparty #p2 - http://twitter.com/Twistatula/statuses/125165203901005824 Oct 15 07:16:11 * Imajoker (~Imajoker@s-75-57-223-79.hsd2.nh.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 07:20:55 * AnonShaw (~Administr@74.198.zuy.jt) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 07:24:05 * Imajoker has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 15 07:25:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Occupy_Boston: Join #OccupyBoston today at 5pm(est) in a worldwide drum circle to show solidarity for occupy movements. #Rhythm #DrumCircle - http://twitter.com/MartinCallaghan/statuses/125170118299885568 Oct 15 07:25:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] The genie is out of the bottle. Stay strong. #o15 #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/bostonbean2011/statuses/125170178081292288 Oct 15 07:26:27 * seekr has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 15 07:27:29 * OccupyBoston375 (~OccupyBos@vmwn-387-92-695-265.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 07:30:00 maybe the young impressionable college students believe in what you people are doing but the rest of us are not impressed. go home take a shower and leave us alone Oct 15 07:30:02 * Jay_Guevara (~Jay_Gueva@dccz-03-50-062-994.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 07:30:28 I just read that we're in 951 cities and 82 countries! Oct 15 07:31:07 So what Jay. there are a lot of idiots around the world. Oct 15 07:31:36 lol - you don't understand what's happening 375 Oct 15 07:32:40 375 - you a member of the tea party? Oct 15 07:33:13 You people expect everyone else to pick up the tab. I'm not responsible for your student loans, you are. We don't owe you a thing. Why don't you enlist in the armed services and actually do something for your country. Oct 15 07:33:40 I was in the Army 20 years ago Oct 15 07:33:49 51 Kilo - plumber Oct 15 07:34:30 And what is this 99%? Only 53% of us actually pay taxes. Oct 15 07:34:31 You don't think predatory loans aimed at 18 yr olds are awful? Oct 15 07:35:08 You mean student loans through your college? Oct 15 07:35:08 everybody pays taxes Oct 15 07:35:39 No they don't. Let's exclude the sales tax. Oct 15 07:35:54 Why should we exclude sales tax? Oct 15 07:36:30 Because that's the only tax everyone pays in Massachusetts, but not in states like NH. Oct 15 07:36:34 Or taxes built into the price of gas? Oct 15 07:36:50 Thank your liberal politicians for the gas tax Oct 15 07:36:56 or any of the other myriad ways they stick it to us? Oct 15 07:37:10 Are you a victim? Oct 15 07:37:19 They aren't my politicians, 375. That's the point Oct 15 07:37:59 I would put money on it that most people occupying Boston are very liberal and have always voted for Dems Oct 15 07:38:30 They aren't representing me very well. And like the original tea party, I have a problem with taxation without representation Oct 15 07:39:33 Oh, I'm a liberal...kind of. I'm to the left of Trotsky, though, and calling me a liberal is like saying Charles Manson was "naughty" Oct 15 07:40:02 The TEa Party, which I am not a member of, pulled permits, went home after their rally, cleaned up before they left, and paid for the police detail. Also, they were very respectful. Your group is the complete opposite Oct 15 07:40:39 Nonsense. Have you been down there? Oct 15 07:41:29 I'm headed down in about an hour with a load of lumber. We're in it for the long, long haul. Oct 15 07:41:33 Yes, it smells like a pig farm. There are ex-cons, homeless people, etc.. Everyone is looking for a handout. Oct 15 07:42:09 lol We're giving stuff away. People have been that generous Oct 15 07:42:56 You a vet? I am. There are quite a few down there. Oct 15 07:43:03 Nice guys. Oct 15 07:43:43 I was chatting with an off-duty Brockton cop who was there with his wife and daughter Oct 15 07:43:46 I am a vet. And why would you attend a rally where there are a number of people that have no respect for veterans? Oct 15 07:44:20 Are you kidding me? everybody here treats vets like gold. Oct 15 07:44:54 * Erininish (~Erininish@patc-17-84-367-866.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 07:45:02 That's why 53% of the public supports us, and we're just getting started Oct 15 07:45:13 Is Nelson Terry there? Oct 15 07:45:23 Don't know Oct 15 07:45:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Why does Boston City Councilor Felix Arroyo hate the Coast Guard and Greater Boston Food Bank? #OccupyBoston #MApoli #BOSpoli - http://twitter.com/Coondawg68/statuses/125174893905068032 Oct 15 07:45:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @JLownLaw: Boston City Councilor Felix Arroyo speaks in support of #OccupyBoston http://t.co/WHe6rEVR #ows #mapoli - http://twitter.com/ecclesias/statuses/125175044979699712 Oct 15 07:45:30 One day you people will have to live in the real world where the other 53% of us live, the one's that actually pay taxes. Oct 15 07:45:35 Ca you help em find this guy Oct 15 07:45:38 *me Oct 15 07:46:09 He was posting through your facebook page Oct 15 07:46:16 375 - I've been paying taxes for 30 years. Oct 15 07:46:24 INCOME taxes Oct 15 07:46:53 Not talking baout sales tax or the Jimmy Carter gas tax Oct 15 07:47:00 This thing isn't about hippies and free love, 375 Oct 15 07:47:38 is there anone i can talk to who posts Occupy Boston's facebook page? Oct 15 07:47:44 It's much broader and deeper than anything we've seen in our lives, and it's global Oct 15 07:47:44 *anyone Oct 15 07:47:59 Um, the Media tent Oct 15 07:48:07 Jay_Guevara, don't fall in love with yourselves Oct 15 07:48:08 do they have a number? Oct 15 07:48:09 would be my advice Oct 15 07:48:16 I'm in Salem Oct 15 07:48:24 Well, you are just pissing the rest of us off. We are the one's that are paying for the police overtime, and we are going to be the one;s left footing the bill for the cleanup, not any of you. But you people don't care. Oct 15 07:48:28 Salem Ma? Oct 15 07:48:31 Yes Oct 15 07:49:11 We'll worry about the clean up - and as for the police, they can go home anytime they want Oct 15 07:49:33 lol occupyboston375 how dare you come here with your logic and your reason? Oct 15 07:49:35 They can't leave when it involves public safety. Grow up Oct 15 07:49:40 I have to ride into Salem today to pick up some stuff for the rally Oct 15 07:49:47 Really Oct 15 07:49:50 When are you coming in Oct 15 07:50:21 It depends on when she has it ready. I'll send her an email now Oct 15 07:50:32 You people are so self righteous. This isn't about the country this is about you Oct 15 07:50:42 It would be great to talk to you guys. Oct 15 07:50:47 I can probably give you a lift there if you need one Oct 15 07:50:58 But I'm not sure about the time Oct 15 07:51:09 I can't go today because I'll be working at some point Oct 15 07:51:22 occupy375 I found that laughing and pointing at them is healthier than raging Oct 15 07:51:23 Oh well. There's always the trrain Oct 15 07:52:04 I'm at Salem State and basically trying to organize here Oct 15 07:52:10 * OccupyBoston396 (~OccupyBos@d-59-442-516-11.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 07:52:17 somebody on your media net posted a call for SSU students Oct 15 07:52:23 Thanks for the advice Anon, but this has gone on long enough. It's time for a counter protest. Oct 15 07:52:27 * OccupyBoston396 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 07:52:41 and I posted the group I was trying to start Oct 15 07:52:50 and this guy deleted the post Oct 15 07:52:57 OccupyBoston375, fair enough, you have a right to express your view as much as anyone else Oct 15 07:53:28 You're right - this ISN'T about the country. It's about corporate welfare, corporate personhood, lack of regulatory oversight, irresponsible financial behavior, and more Oct 15 07:53:50 Bet Menino and his minions won't provide me with free electricity and my own security detail Oct 15 07:54:12 Jay_Guevara, ok if we are going to talk about irresponsible financial behavior, what about the millions of americans that got themselves into debt by living beyond their means? Oct 15 07:54:16 serious question Oct 15 07:54:27 You guys ever read the 1st Amendment? Oct 15 07:54:28 why do they want to blame it all on the banks and not take their share of responsibility? Oct 15 07:55:00 OK, I'm out of here. Oct 15 07:55:11 Do you mean the ones that were encouraged to buy houses the banks knew they couldn't afford? Oct 15 07:55:25 Bye Oct 15 07:55:29 so you are saying that if a bank tells you something Oct 15 07:55:30 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Concert:Four Point Restraints - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=cXIyaWh1dHBzazhjcXRmbW9sajBoNDZ0cnMgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 15 07:55:33 you assume its true by default? Oct 15 07:55:37 Jay. Let's talk about the cost of all the social and welfare programs that allow so called poor Americans to live better than most around the world or the fact that illegal immigrants and their families are costing us more than both wars annually. Oct 15 07:55:37 If you care to get in touch with me FB me Erin McManus Oct 15 07:55:40 * Erininish has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 07:55:48 Jay_Guevara, here's a thought Oct 15 07:55:51 to the 3rd world Oct 15 07:55:53 you are the 1% Oct 15 07:56:09 * Tracy_home (~trcmoscat@a-19-263-330-778.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 07:56:12 I bet if I showed your protest to a starving african child Oct 15 07:56:14 he would either laugh his ass off Oct 15 07:56:16 or rage hard Oct 15 07:56:22 Okay Erin Oct 15 07:56:34 hi Oct 15 07:56:37 I'll let you knlow the travel schedule Oct 15 07:57:17 About the illegal aliens... Oct 15 07:57:23 * Tracy_home (~trcmoscat@a-19-263-330-778.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 15 07:57:30 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Concert: Four Point Restraints - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=c2JsdWJjbWRqYW42cnZuczIyZHB1bjBuaDggOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 15 07:57:33 I'm going to my local occupy tommorow with a sign with an image of a starving african child and it will say YOU ARE THE 1% Oct 15 07:57:46 I don't think America should be Mexico's unemployment solution Oct 15 07:58:08 ot the answer to Mexico's healthcare crisis Oct 15 07:58:51 Plenty of Americans would be tile men or roofers, but they've been squeezed out by Guatamalans Oct 15 07:58:52 It's because of most Dems and some Rep that this problem has spiraled out of control Oct 15 07:59:13 I blame 2 things Oct 15 07:59:25 1. market deregulation 2. people living beyond their means for too long Oct 15 07:59:47 I'm with you on aliens...but when you look at the tax breaks extended to corporastions it dwarfs any social program I've seen Oct 15 07:59:52 and I'm pretty sure yelling at buildings won't solve any of those 2 issues Oct 15 07:59:53 Put an end to all tax payer subsidies to all illegals. Can that be your next sign? That will save all of us hundreds of billions. Oct 15 08:00:34 It'd be a good sign, and it's a valid view. SO MAKE A SIGN AND COME ON DOWN! Oct 15 08:00:54 I have news for you - your politicians aren't listening either Oct 15 08:01:02 They give tax breaks to corporations so that they will employee people!! It's an incentive for them to stay in our state. You people just don't get it. Oct 15 08:01:14 I like how you both have an obvious agenda that was fed to you Oct 15 08:01:23 * AnonShaw grabs popcorn Oct 15 08:01:54 Of course I have an agenda. who doesn't Oct 15 08:01:56 this is better than the now defunct cnn crossfire Oct 15 08:02:09 I can't I have kids to watch because my works on Saturday's. And I work two jobs during the week, so that I can live the life I want too. Oct 15 08:02:49 http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9707/occupycanada.jpg i'll just leave this here Oct 15 08:02:59 * marxistvegan (~marxistve@awqw-124-7-71-492.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 08:03:10 Corporations insist on personhood and all the rights that come with being a flesh-and-blood American citizen. If they're people, why can't they pay their share of taxes? Oct 15 08:03:33 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] The 99% String Quartet - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=dmg4YzJkZjRscjk1cnJ1bTFxOXZsY2N1cDQgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 15 08:04:32 What you guys don't understand is that this isn't a left/right movement Oct 15 08:04:35 leftyfb: you around i can't seem to log into the IT channel Oct 15 08:04:49 it's not the left's answer to the tea party Oct 15 08:05:08 We won't let the Dems speak. Oct 15 08:05:20 We are sick of them Oct 15 08:05:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Occupy_Boston: Join #OccupyBoston today at 5pm(est) in a worldwide drum circle to show solidarity for occupy movements. #Rhythm #DrumCircle - http://twitter.com/AlfredBRoney/statuses/125179511254958080 Oct 15 08:05:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] WCVB asks what is #occupyboston costing YOU? Why not ask what bank bailouts cost us??? #deflection #o15 - http://twitter.com/bostonbean2011/statuses/125179855254982656 Oct 15 08:05:33 leftyfb: nevermind i got it Oct 15 08:05:35 Also sick of the Republicans Oct 15 08:07:05 Jay_Guevara: I am kind of sick of the entire system :) Oct 15 08:08:25 Many people are sick of both, but they're also sick of you people. You may not see it because you have surrounded yourself with people that agree with your message, but the rest of us are ready to see you hauled off Oct 15 08:09:28 OccupyBoston375 you clearly have not been to occupyboston if you think everyone agrees, what is you solution the problems Oct 15 08:10:18 This country is great because it gives you a chance to fail or succeed. You can sit down there and cry all day, but it is up to you to set your own course. That is why we live in the greatest country in the world Oct 15 08:10:21 * OccupyBoston301 (~OccupyBos@g-07-17-10-20.hsd4.nh.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 08:10:47 * OccupyBoston301 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 08:10:58 Why don't any of you run for office? Oct 15 08:12:31 OccupyBoston375 how exactly is this the greatest country in the world? my family being half irish and italian were treated horribly when they came here and we do the same to any new immigrant community not so great Oct 15 08:14:38 OccupyBoston375 the fact that you imply that running for office is the only form of civic engagement to bring about constructive change is disheartening, peaceful assembly is a protected right in our constitution Oct 15 08:14:42 I am also half Irish and half Italian, That was over 100 years ago. And most Irish and Itailians in America are doing just fine Oct 15 08:14:43 Umm, the "rest of you" polled at 23% Supporters polled at 53%. "We" outnumber "you" 2 to 1. But all you have to do is realize that we're far, far from smelly hippies and join us. Oct 15 08:15:46 Can't join you because I have commitments and RESPONSIBILITIES to attend to. Oct 15 08:15:48 OccupyBoston375 that doesn't answer my question how is this the greatest country when historically and presently we do not welcome immigrants Oct 15 08:16:11 WE are more welcoming than any other country in the world!! Oct 15 08:16:49 * Tracy_home (~trcmoscat@a-19-263-330-778.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 08:17:05 Hello Oct 15 08:17:12 OccupyBoston375 could you please back that up Oct 15 08:17:12 Hi Tracy_home Oct 15 08:17:22 And the immigrants of today are much different than before. Many come here looking for a handout, some to work Oct 15 08:17:31 Oh no Oct 15 08:17:49 OccupyBoston375 really, you could not be farther from the truth Oct 15 08:17:52 Today is going to be wild Oct 15 08:18:04 Heading to camp in a few minutes Oct 15 08:18:17 I read that we're in 951 cities in 82 countries! Oct 15 08:18:24 Tracy_home: same Oct 15 08:18:43 everyone, there is civil disobedience training at 10am, I expect you to be there! Oct 15 08:18:50 I'm waiting for a donation, then I'm headed in Oct 15 08:18:53 OccupyBoston375 the majority of immigrants coming into the US work their hands to the bone and work 90-100 hours per week. The reason they come here is because conditions are so bad in their home country it is a question of life or death they choose life Oct 15 08:19:23 I work in the system. I see the abuse every day. The illegal immigrants know how to abuse the system better tha American citizens Oct 15 08:19:38 Marxist: I agree. Not to mention the reason why conditions are so bad in a lot of these countries and the role the U.S. played in that. Oct 15 08:19:45 if you or people you know want to make donations within boston but can't bring it out on the t, contact me and I will make pickups with my bike trailer all weekend (I can haul up to 120 lbs) Oct 15 08:19:50 OccupyBoston375 people are not illegal Oct 15 08:20:01 Tracy_home: exactly :) Oct 15 08:20:26 People are not illegal? That tells me where you are coming from. Get a grip on reality. Oct 15 08:20:32 OccupyBoston375 to refer to a person as "illegal" is to dehumanize them, actions are illegal not people Oct 15 08:21:21 Call them what you want, but they are also to blame for what is happening in this country Oct 15 08:21:26 OccupyBoston375 yeah I do have a grip and the majority of immigrants are undocumented it only becomes a crime when they have been deported for whatever reason and came back then it is illegal other wise it is an administrative process Oct 15 08:22:15 * OccupyBoston880 (~OccupyBos@w-69-71-840-973.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 08:22:24 * OccupyBoston880 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 08:22:54 So you don't have a problem with us spending hundreds of billions on people that shouldn't be here, but you do on securing our borders.Am I correct? Oct 15 08:23:30 I wish we invested in public transportation. The red line is so slow. It shouldn't take 45 minutes to go 5 miles. Oct 15 08:24:03 OccupyBoston375 that is ignorance...to blame the problems on immigrants is exactly what happened to the Irish and Italians Oct 15 08:24:03 OccupyBoston375 you said they turned out fine right? Oct 15 08:24:18 TRacy, maybe you should protest the T also. Oct 15 08:24:18 OccupyBoston375 the only spending that we do is on ICE and border security which is a waste of money Oct 15 08:25:09 Wow, you are so uninformed. WE pay for their healthcare, education, housing, welfare, and SSDI Oct 15 08:25:10 OccupyBoston375 the immigrants all pay taxes Oct 15 08:25:44 OccupyBoston375 you are talking about such a small percentage and painting the entire immigrant population with it Oct 15 08:26:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @vannschaffner: RT @BigJournalism Media Silent As #OccupyBoston Ruins Food Bank Event; Conservatives Offset The Loss http://t.co/EyrxfVqK - http://twitter.com/gu1tar/statuses/125184955151155200 Oct 15 08:26:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @waajj: Powerful photo of protesters joining hands at #OccupyBoston police line, one of the best I've seen. http://t.co/rXDrAv4i #ows #occupywallst - http://twitter.com/tatzanx/statuses/125185302343057408 Oct 15 08:26:31 The numbers last year were as follows:llegal immigeants paid approximately 130 million to the treasury, but used approximately 300 Billion of our tax dollars Oct 15 08:26:57 OccupyBoston375 Again stop using the term "illegal" i asked you that already Oct 15 08:27:10 OccupyBoston375: I am from an area with a huge number of immigrants. I don't know one who gets anything for free. They work 80+hours and can't even go to the dentist or doctor. They also share small apartments because they are being used as slaves by the capitalists and can't afford anything else. Oct 15 08:27:11 OccupyBoston375 to calculate that data is nearly impossible Oct 15 08:28:26 * farmerbob (~nobody@pvox-981-5-930-440.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 08:29:11 OccupyBoston375 because the immigrants are undocumented the data is not accurate to calculate you can't tell me from a Human Resources file who is documented or not...however they all pay into social security, medicare, income taxes, and sales taxes Oct 15 08:29:52 They pay minimal taxes, but exhaust many of our tax dollars. Just look at many communities around the country that are broke? Many are in areas where there is a larg influx of illegal immigrants. And did you know that as many as 78% of legal and illegal immigrants are on some type of government assistance Oct 15 08:30:22 OccupyBoston375 that is such BS Oct 15 08:30:46 Getting ready to go to camp. I will sign on when I get there. Oct 15 08:30:48 I know liberals hate facts, but look it up yourself. Oct 15 08:31:20 OccupyBoston375 do not call me a liberal Oct 15 08:31:42 Oh, I'm sorry, are you "progressive"? Oct 15 08:32:13 OccupyBoston375: this is not a matter of facts why don't you hold companies accountable for shipping jobs overseas and hiring the undocumented and if you say "illegal" one more time I will have you banned Oct 15 08:32:23 OccupyBoston375: maybe there's a different way of talking about politics? maybe one that isn't featured on fox news? Oct 15 08:32:28 OccupyBoston375 did you miss my name some how? Oct 15 08:32:46 lol Oct 15 08:32:46 Just a username Oct 15 08:33:38 You'll have me banned. Why because you disagree with me. Get over it. Oct 15 08:34:57 BYE. See some of you today. Oct 15 08:35:14 * Tracy_home (~trcmoscat@a-19-263-330-778.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 15 08:35:22 There is nothing you can do about companies shipping jobs overseas. They are PRIVATELY owned companies Oct 15 08:36:54 * marxistvegan has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 15 08:37:32 * marxistvegan (~marxistve@awqw-124-7-71-492.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 08:37:45 OccupyBoston375: I may have missed your response I'll wait Oct 15 08:39:22 I want to thank all of you. Because of you I have to work even harder to pay more taxes to support whatever your cause is. You people disgust most average Americans. Oct 15 08:40:14 OccupyBoston375 funny you say that you must be on the right cause they are scared, however more and more people are attending and new ones are popping up so I don't think they fear us Oct 15 08:40:43 OccupyBoston375 you should also pick a real name instead of hiding behind 375 Oct 15 08:41:08 on that note have a good day cause I have an occupation to attend :) Oct 15 08:41:17 * marxistvegan has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 08:42:33 More and more people are curious. It's like a circus or carnival. Oct 15 08:42:39 * OccupyBoston375 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 08:42:52 * MTDew (fjqgud@nwp30.chatmosphere.org) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 08:43:28 * MTDew has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 08:43:38 * OccupyBoston560 (~OccupyBos@037-4-79-43.c1-8.smr-ubr9.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 08:44:10 hello! Oct 15 08:45:36 do you guys have anybody taking minutes for GAs? i can't see minutes for recent meetings on wikispaces Oct 15 08:46:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Second awesome event of the day: @Occupy_Boston Antiwar rally http://t.co/Tqw24QYN #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/BosVeganDrinks/statuses/125190445675454464 Oct 15 08:46:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] WOW after I follow 4 2weeks @twitter gives me 1st trending #occupy topic... #live15O #ows #occupyboston #gettinthere - http://twitter.com/jaykelly26/statuses/125190517213507585 Oct 15 08:46:34 * Tracy_home (~trcmoscat@a-19-263-330-778.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 08:47:02 * Tracy_home (~trcmoscat@a-19-263-330-778.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 15 08:50:29 * OccupyBoston560 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 08:52:16 * OccupyBoston879 (~OccupyBos@72.93.xqu.qxs) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 08:52:49 vv Oct 15 08:53:23 * OccupyBoston879 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 08:54:12 * OccupyBoston664 (~OccupyBos@r-57-94-25-21.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 08:59:14 * panda317 (~panda317@pvos-62-57-405-50.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 09:00:01 * OccupyBoston664 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 09:00:15 * freewill (~freewill@c-40-168-681-62.hsd2.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 09:00:33 * panda317 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 09:01:14 anybody else seen this vid - powerful - http://www.youtube.com/user/ThePhaedrus83 Oct 15 09:02:10 * yman has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 15 09:02:35 * yman (~yahman@sfri-xjlj-ljns-79-11-26-398.consolidated.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 09:04:22 * yman has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 15 09:04:52 * yman (~yahman@sfri-xjlj-ljns-79-11-26-398.consolidated.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 09:05:48 * freewill has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 09:06:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Cleaver admits he wasn't spat on by the #teaparty #iamthe53 #mapoli #magop #gop #occupy #occupyboston #smallgovt http://t.co/yP1DiDYm - http://twitter.com/BrocktonDave/statuses/125195604891680768 Oct 15 09:06:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @crowfaery: Boston PD officer Kevin that I met at #occupyboston said "I hope you guys get what you want, it will be good for all of us" - http://twitter.com/tylluan/statuses/125195677281165312 Oct 15 09:13:41 * OccupyBoston795 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 09:13:48 * OccupyBoston665 (~OccupyBos@v-16-753-827-08.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 09:14:20 MARCH MARCH MARCH: Celebrate the 10th anniversary of the invasion/occupation of Afghanistan. Park St. 1pm. Oct 15 09:15:16 (although the war began on the 7th?) Oct 15 09:15:22 * OccupyBoston491 (~OccupyBos@m-38-927-49-787.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 09:15:23 MARCH MARCH MARCH! Oct 15 09:15:45 * OccupyBoston491 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 09:16:05 war is a racket. Oct 15 09:19:43 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Big day!!! Anti-war march from Park Street station to camp at 1:00, then we march onward from there. It's our intl day of solidarity! #o15 - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125197802673405952 Oct 15 09:20:25 * ross` is now known as ross Oct 15 09:22:15 * SolidState (~solidstat@cvji-05-946-22-222.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 09:23:11 * bel has quit () Oct 15 09:26:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] The only way to make production profitable again is to lower work hours and give ppl jobs. Stimulus spending won't cut it #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/TomJoadsGhost/statuses/125200553159565312 Oct 15 09:26:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @AngelaCristiani: .@Occupy_Boston protesters get MA #union assist http://t.co/b4a6LvJa #mapoli #maaflcio @StevenATolman #occupyboston #btupoli - http://twitter.com/RobertsonHere/statuses/125200566539403266 Oct 15 09:30:24 * OccupyBoston985 (~OccupyBos@h-14-70-880-324.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 09:30:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @tony_chiappetta: @Occupy_Boston #o15 Toronto stands with you! Occupy Toronto starts today - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125200947361222656 Oct 15 09:31:10 * OccupyBoston985 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 09:32:57 * SolidState has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi) Oct 15 09:34:02 * OccupyBoston333 (~OccupyBos@204.45.ops.wur) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 09:35:09 Planning on coming into city today...is there a march scheduled? details? Oct 15 09:35:37 * OccupyBoston739 (~OccupyBos@u-46-11-599-69.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 09:36:39 * OccupyBoston739 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 09:40:42 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @takethesquare: #Rome today. Demonstrators http://t.co/gbyBZ0pC and live at http://t.co/bbgEJlky #15ott #live15o #globalchange #occup ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125203378522423296 Oct 15 09:40:43 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Follow @takethesquare for information about what is happening around the globe today. #o15 - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125203604742221825 Oct 15 09:46:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @OccupyPics: BPD Lacked Probable Cause Basis for Monday's Midnight Raid http://t.co/Pgyx3TrL #OccupyBoston #ows #p2 #tcot #mapoli #bospoli - http://twitter.com/BriesMama/statuses/125205661700198400 Oct 15 09:46:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @improviz: If you feel like voting with your feet today in Boston there will be ample opportunity. #occupyboston- http://t.co/GpZnimAE - http://twitter.com/papicek/statuses/125205702053597185 Oct 15 09:48:17 * ooride has quit () Oct 15 09:48:57 * Tracy_camp (~yaaic@576-049-640-041.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 09:49:29 Hello Oct 15 09:49:30 At camp Oct 15 09:50:26 * OccupyBoston819 (~OccupyBos@g-24-17-86-544.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 09:51:01 Where is the main, ongoing demonstration in Boston? Dewey Square? Oct 15 09:51:04 Tracy: is there a current list of things that are needed posted somewhere? Oct 15 09:52:03 819, yes Oct 15 09:52:12 3 Oct 15 09:52:27 yes -- Dewey sqaure -- right outside of South Station Oct 15 09:54:30 Thanks, I'm a middle-aged man who has worked on Wall Street and studied securities law extensively. Your organization is right on the money (pun intended). Oct 15 09:54:42 * OccupyBoston819 (~OccupyBos@g-24-17-86-544.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 15 09:57:06 * Jay_Guevara has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 09:57:40 * inner_vacations (~inner_vac@d66-587-48-883.cntcnh.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 09:58:08 * OccupyBoston333 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 15 09:58:41 * OccupyBoston648 (~OccupyBos@o-80-85-683-71.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 09:59:04 about to shower and get ready to go to the Occupy Nh event today Oct 15 09:59:45 * OccupyBoston648 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 10:00:15 >>>>waves "Hi" to all you boston people I met over the last 2 weeks. Be Well, everyone! Oct 15 10:02:39 * Tracy_camp has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 15 10:02:55 * OccupyBoston606 (~OccupyBos@r-37-88-12-791.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 10:03:41 * OccupyBoston606 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 10:06:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @occupyrydyc: MARCH! 1 PM FROM PARK STREET TO DEWEY SQUARE, AND BEYOND! #occupyboston #boston #occupywallstreet #occupyeverywhere - http://twitter.com/cliffpotts/statuses/125210724573253632 Oct 15 10:06:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Much like the #OccupyBoston movement, this #MBTA Ashmont train is camped out, doors open to the strumming of a nearby folk singer. - http://twitter.com/AlexCKaufman/statuses/125210763081170944 Oct 15 10:11:43 * OccupyBoston401 (~OccupyBos@137.71.ig.rt) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 10:11:54 * OccupyBoston401 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 10:12:11 * OccupyBoston197 (~OccupyBos@t-78-134-68-313.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 10:12:28 * OccupyBoston762 (~OccupyBos@96.237.hk.in) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 10:12:44 * OccupyBoston197 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 10:13:37 * OccupyBoston957 (~OccupyBos@137.71.ig.rt) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 10:13:46 any or you LOSERS up yet? Oct 15 10:13:47 you bums Oct 15 10:14:20 are mommy and daddy gonna help you out today you litle piss ants? Oct 15 10:14:23 ????? who is a bum? Oct 15 10:15:16 everyone in the 'tent cities'...they cant do anything for themselves so they want handouts Oct 15 10:15:28 pathetic moronic bums Oct 15 10:15:33 hmmm, i dont think you have been there and met the people Oct 15 10:15:38 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Oct 15 10:15:43 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Oct 15 10:15:49 get a job Oct 15 10:15:58 many there DO have jobs Oct 15 10:16:08 yah, and i have a cure for cancer Oct 15 10:16:18 you really expect people to believe that? Oct 15 10:16:33 smarten up Oct 15 10:16:34 you seem angry, why not go lie down, get some more rest and maybe you will awaken in a better mood? Oct 15 10:16:51 you should talk Oct 15 10:16:54 * OccupyBoston957 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 10:17:24 darn, they needed to relax and center themselves Oct 15 10:17:27 * humanmichael (~humanmich@otkp-362-4-577-686.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 10:17:37 hi human Oct 15 10:17:41 good morning Oct 15 10:18:12 * marxistvegan (~marxistve@awqw-124-7-71-492.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 10:18:31 welcome, vegan Oct 15 10:19:43 Hello Oct 15 10:20:20 lively bunch today Oct 15 10:20:33 how's it going? Oct 15 10:20:43 LOL, ya, going great here Oct 15 10:21:00 are you at camp? Oct 15 10:21:02 finishing up my coffee, then showering and getting ready to go to occupy Nh event Oct 15 10:21:06 aha Oct 15 10:21:07 you all missed the discussion earlier Oct 15 10:21:14 i been to boston the last two weekends Oct 15 10:21:18 cool Oct 15 10:21:32 what did the earlier discussion cover? Oct 15 10:21:35 ya, i hated to leave dewey square Oct 15 10:21:51 i only been in here for a bit Oct 15 10:22:03 was not in much earlier Oct 15 10:22:20 * moonunitzappa (~moonunit@f-38-801-938-52.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 10:22:25 i'm at work, as usual Oct 15 10:22:32 good morning, moonunit Oct 15 10:22:39 * BANKSTERHUNTER (~BANKSTERH@n-54-01-597-57.hsd9.me.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 10:22:51 i wish I was working! Oct 15 10:23:08 yeah. i can't complain about that Oct 15 10:23:31 been trying to start a small business here, but to no avail yet. Oct 15 10:23:39 doing what Oct 15 10:23:45 relaxing people Oct 15 10:23:49 humanmichael: long story short someone came on saying that most people hate us etc. and we got into a discussion about immigration and he kept using the term "illegal" and I was trying to correct him cause no person is "illegal" actions are and he tried to paint all immigrants as lazy handout seekers Oct 15 10:24:09 ew Oct 15 10:24:36 I countered with the way my own Irish and Italian families were treated when they came here and how they too were blamed for being the problem with the economy and that his perspective was repeating the errors of our history Oct 15 10:24:50 how are migrant workers handout seekers? the critiques that they are taking jobs and that they are lazy can't be right simultaneously Oct 15 10:25:42 marxistvegan, so true. its always the newest immigrant group's "fault" Oct 15 10:26:09 hello Oct 15 10:26:09 humanmichael: yeah I know and Tracy was making the points that most work 80+ hours a week and pay taxes and he tried to say that immigrant workers pay less in taxes than receive in benefits Oct 15 10:26:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] welcome @CabinCr3w 2 #occupyboston any #sexyfawkes out there? - http://twitter.com/jaykelly26/statuses/125215754764292097 Oct 15 10:26:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] A Bigot by Any Other Name..Are you an Open Source Bigot? http://t.co/dDAVJP0F #jag #ows #occupyboston #baabaa #oinkoink #woofwoof #cowpie - http://twitter.com/noyb100/statuses/125215809403490304 Oct 15 10:26:32 benefits? so minimum wage jobs have benefits now? Oct 15 10:26:57 did the police remove all tents? Oct 15 10:27:04 maybe i should start washing dishes or mowing lawns, if that's where the healthcare is. most immigrants bust their asses doing whatever jobs they can get. ugh Oct 15 10:27:14 what is going on in boston now? Oct 15 10:27:24 BANKSTERHUNTER: no tents being removed Oct 15 10:27:41 Is all going good in boston? Oct 15 10:28:02 from what i see on line there is a pattern of removing ppl in new jeresy denver and boston and nyc Oct 15 10:28:52 BANKSTERHUNTER: Denver did get removed but they are regrouping, NYC did not get moved, Boston we lost camp2 but still have dewey square...I am not sure about NJ Oct 15 10:28:55 london seems to be having the worst of it Oct 15 10:28:56 a great stragegy might be to have ppl move in at a rate faster than they can kick ppl out Oct 15 10:29:17 BANKSTERHUNTER: well that is not an issue in Boston at least Oct 15 10:29:20 london cops are sneaky and ruthless Oct 15 10:29:27 in other words have bus loads of ppl ready to come in behind the protesters being kicked out Oct 15 10:29:31 humanmichael: yeah they are horrible Oct 15 10:30:01 nothing could be worse then just being shut down and being passive about it Oct 15 10:30:07 * OccupyBoston762 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 10:30:11 BANKSTERHUNTER: no one is being passive Oct 15 10:30:31 BANKSTERHUNTER: occupyboston is going strong and growing Oct 15 10:31:05 while the cops are pushing back in one direction protestors could be entering from another Oct 15 10:31:35 BANKSTERHUNTER: i understand your strategy but that is not a concern right now Oct 15 10:31:53 when cops fight the cameras should catch the cops id and broadcast it Oct 15 10:32:51 BANKSTERHUNTER: agreed, this is known and on tuesday morning many people took photos of the actions by police Oct 15 10:33:16 not just of the police action but of REAL COP ID'S Oct 15 10:34:02 a cop data base can be set up to map out who they are and related history Oct 15 10:34:36 now the cops are just "cops" acting with impunity Oct 15 10:35:18 BANKSTERHUNTER: the cops are also part of the 99% working for the 1% it was Mayor Menino that made the order to move in Oct 15 10:35:37 OCCUPY A JOB Oct 15 10:35:51 AnonShaw: ok thanks Oct 15 10:36:06 exactly that is my point but this must be shown clearly with other demonstrations at Menionio's office Oct 15 10:36:19 AnonShaw: Some of us do occupy jobs thakyou Oct 15 10:36:25 we have to organize a multi pronged attack Oct 15 10:36:47 *thank you Oct 15 10:37:01 expose the fact that the cops are mere running dogs and for whom... do not let this rest with cops Oct 15 10:37:17 BANKSTERHUNTER: if you want to get involved in that I suggest coming to occupyboston and bringing those ideas forward the chat here is not the best place to discuss and offer proposals Oct 15 10:37:27 don;t let the cops be used as pawns. show how the cops work for Oct 15 10:37:35 meanwhile in canada Oct 15 10:37:37 http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9707/occupycanada.jpg Oct 15 10:38:26 i support #OccupyStripClubs Oct 15 10:38:39 Burrito: please keep sexist comments out Oct 15 10:38:43 support your local economy, send a stripper to college Oct 15 10:38:58 * OccupyBoston116 (~OccupyBos@nrbs-73-071-084-002.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 10:39:02 kk, taking my comments to AnonOps Oct 15 10:40:05 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to Cyris_away Oct 15 10:40:07 * hlve (~jer@rzry-17-273-62-05.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 10:40:11 * Cyris_away is now known as cyris Oct 15 10:40:20 * cyris has kicked Burrito from #occupyboston (Burrito) Oct 15 10:40:30 wow really? Oct 15 10:40:36 humor is a kickable offense? Oct 15 10:40:42 free speech in action folks Oct 15 10:40:48 * Jay_Guevara (~Jay_Gueva@dccz-03-50-062-994.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 10:40:51 AnonShaw: no sexist comments are Oct 15 10:40:54 I personaly did not see that as humor Oct 15 10:41:03 anon trolling Oct 15 10:41:09 OccupyBoston160, that's because you're not an inconsiderate asshole :) Oct 15 10:41:10 is Oct 15 10:41:22 ... Oct 15 10:41:33 Hlve: I'm deff not Oct 15 10:41:33 burrito is trying to trivialize the movement. Oct 15 10:41:36 i came in after the 'joke' was said, so i'm just clearly taking sides Oct 15 10:42:03 nothing personal, i know none of you :P Oct 15 10:42:12 BANKSTERHUNTER, I could also say that people constantly making unsubstantiated claims without proof to back it up are trivializing the movement Oct 15 10:42:17 and god knows there's a lot of these around Oct 15 10:42:24 * AnonShaw shrugs Oct 15 10:42:49 what unsubstantiated claims do u mean Oct 15 10:43:23 everytime a protester gets arrested, people immediately assume that the cop was evil and that the protester did nothing wrong Oct 15 10:43:28 without even looking further into it Oct 15 10:43:32 is one example Oct 15 10:43:55 just gunna throw this one out there, it's over and done with, why drag it out lol Oct 15 10:43:59 We always look further into it Oct 15 10:44:20 OccupyBoston160, you maybe, but trust me, I seen a lot of folks who don't Oct 15 10:44:26 and who are just willing to blindly demonize cops without proof Oct 15 10:44:34 * OccupyBoston448 (~OccupyBos@nwlr-575-88-269-56.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 10:44:35 cops by definition are sadisict socio pathic thugs who have found a way to abuse ppl under the law Oct 15 10:44:43 I've been insulted and threatened countless times just because I asked for proof of wrongdoing Oct 15 10:44:48 The people that help handle the situation look further into it Oct 15 10:44:59 BANKSTERHUNTER is a great example of what I'm trying to point out Oct 15 10:45:01 the bullies in blue are blue collar captialist pigs Oct 15 10:45:01 thanks for the example Oct 15 10:45:11 bankster, that is an outrageous claim Oct 15 10:45:16 * OccupyBoston231 (~OccupyBos@eegc-050-89-95-861.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 10:45:16 BANKSTERHUNTER, does this man look like a bully to you? Oct 15 10:45:17 http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9707/occupycanada.jpg Oct 15 10:45:19 hmm? Oct 15 10:45:26 Not all cops are under that lable Oct 15 10:45:27 you dont become a cop to help humanitiy Oct 15 10:45:27 my father and grandfather are both retired from the NYPD Oct 15 10:45:33 Guys I would like to join but don't see any agenda .. If we want change we need a unifying voice Oct 15 10:46:03 what I'm saying is that there a lot of people who are just jumping on a bandwagon without even taking time to think things through Oct 15 10:46:09 and it's hurting the credibility of the movement Oct 15 10:46:13 OccupyBoston448: come and visit and add to the agenda Oct 15 10:46:16 occupyboston448: there is an agenda, but its decided on democratically. this was ratified on thursday, for instance http://occupyboston.com/2011/10/15/united-with-the-world-for-global-democracy/ Oct 15 10:46:17 Both of my parents are retired cops and did it to help people and make them safe, yes some cops do wrong but all are not in it to hurt people Oct 15 10:46:19 I've been threatened for saying that Oct 15 10:46:22 and also called a fed Oct 15 10:46:25 lol Oct 15 10:46:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #OccupyBoston Ruins Food Bank Fundraiser, Conservatives Step in with $3,700 Fund Drive: The Greater B... http://t.co/ZBosqI7M #tcot #PMG - http://twitter.com/PartisanMedia/statuses/125220762167676928 Oct 15 10:46:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] What a beautiful day to #occupyboston! Come on down for a full day of marches, speakers, trainings, musicians, meditation, & homework help! - http://twitter.com/OccupyBostonMus/statuses/125220784280059904 Oct 15 10:46:28 Here's a fun factoid for everybody: At any given moment America's homeless population is about 850,000 people. There are about 16 million abandoned or foreclosed homes. That's about 20 homes for every homeless person, with nothing in between them but banks. Now, I am not suggesting that we give homes to homeless people...oh noes... The current system which allows people to freeze and empty homes to fall into disrepair i Oct 15 10:46:31 cops are cops because they are smart enough to know not to bite the capitalist hands that feeds em. the price to pay is to do the dirty work of the capitalist under the "law" Oct 15 10:46:42 http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9707/occupycanada.jpg BANKSTERHUNTER Oct 15 10:46:46 vilifying cops does not help the movement Oct 15 10:46:48 does this look like a bully to you? Oct 15 10:47:03 if cops loved law and order they would be busting head of white collar criminals including stock brokers Oct 15 10:47:11 im doing a video about how this world is changing so ill be down there today. Rastafari Oct 15 10:47:23 ever see a cop bust a head of a white collar crook? Oct 15 10:47:25 * Burrito (~mexican@nxb-64-55-200-822.satx.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 10:47:34 * cyris gives channel operator status to marxistvegan Oct 15 10:47:42 BANKSTERHUNTER, thank you for providing a great example of what I'm trying to illustrate Oct 15 10:47:44 bankster, lawmakers have to make what the bankers, etc are doing illegal first Oct 15 10:47:47 people like you are hurting the movement Oct 15 10:47:50 love and peace Oct 15 10:47:56 AnonShaw: not all cops are bad guys. they're part of the 99%, trying to get by, raise a family, be decent. but when they kicked the demonstrators off the greenway, there was some rough stuff. they knocked veterans down and grabbed people by the neck. there are photos. i saw it firsthand. so, based on that, it's fair for people involved to come to the conclusion that the cops are often not on their side. it's an easy concl Oct 15 10:47:58 cops bust heads of the most vulurable in the society under the guise of the "law" Oct 15 10:48:21 some cops are bad. some cops abuse their power Oct 15 10:48:33 farmerbob, what about the fact that the cops warned in advance that they would be evacuating the park since it closed at 11 pm? Oct 15 10:48:43 couldn't the protesters just have collaborated with them and find a new spot? Oct 15 10:48:44 but some people actively try to push cops towards violence Oct 15 10:48:47 Underline SOME Oct 15 10:48:49 they had the decency to warn Oct 15 10:49:07 AnonShaw: they were peacefully assembled, the entire time. there was no resistance. there was no call for shoving veterans or throatgrabbing. Oct 15 10:49:18 cops are mercenary thugs that masquarade has "heros".,.. they are socio pathic thugs that are smarter than common criminals in that they found a way to be a bully in a so called legal way Oct 15 10:49:19 I've seen the video of the veterans arrest Oct 15 10:49:20 and tbh Oct 15 10:49:23 I have seen no violence Oct 15 10:49:27 Did they warn that they were going to trample American flags in their haste to assault non-violent vets? Oct 15 10:49:29 only them resisting arrest Oct 15 10:49:32 and getting arrested anyway Oct 15 10:49:36 AnonShaw: then you need to work on your understanding of the term. Oct 15 10:49:42 lets keep in mind one thing.... it NOT the BPD, it was the DHS Oct 15 10:49:42 being a veteran doesnt make you above the law Oct 15 10:49:44 banksterhunter, you are stereotyping and generalizing. its offensive and unwarranted Oct 15 10:49:50 People: We need a 10 point agenda we would like to see change .. "We need to protect environment" is great but calls for limited action. We need an actionable message that our politicians and bankers need to act on! Oct 15 10:49:50 if you resist arrest Oct 15 10:49:53 expect to get shoved Oct 15 10:49:53 very important detail right there Oct 15 10:49:59 AnonShaw: standing still is not resisting. Oct 15 10:50:02 anon nobody resisted Oct 15 10:50:04 anonshaw where can i get that video Oct 15 10:50:11 cops found it easier to be part of the system and prey on those they system allows them to beat up on like homeless protestors etc Oct 15 10:50:13 farmerbob, I have seen the video and they were definitely not standing still Oct 15 10:50:22 AnonShaw: i call bullshit. i was there. Oct 15 10:50:29 same here farmerbob Oct 15 10:50:33 sigh. banksterhunter, you are talking out of your ass now. Oct 15 10:50:34 AnonShaw: and most who've seen the video don't come to that conclusion. Oct 15 10:50:44 i was arrested, i along with everyone else did not resist arrest Oct 15 10:50:58 AnonShaw: if it were you standing where the VFP guys were standing, you'd feel differently. Oct 15 10:50:59 because most who have seen that video don't take into account that they resisted arrest and are clearly biased against cops Oct 15 10:51:08 cyris: nice moves. Oct 15 10:51:10 cops just look for a bigger bully to let them be a bully... and capitalism is their big bully they hide under Oct 15 10:51:17 cyris: i regret that i didn't link up. Oct 15 10:51:31 anonshaw, i am not biased against cops, but they definitely used excessive force against protesters Oct 15 10:51:34 AnonShaw your forgetting it wasn't the cops, it was Dept of Homeland Security Oct 15 10:51:34 All the bankers and politicians will wait out our protests if we do not have a unifying message and a specific plan that would bring about change .. It is time my fellow protesters to come out with a specific plan Oct 15 10:51:36 AnonShaw: i was unsure about the movement until i saw the group's behavior during the raid. Oct 15 10:51:44 farmerbob, I'm sorry but if you resist arrest, do you expect the cops to cuddle you into submission? Oct 15 10:51:48 AnonShaw: after, i was a supporter without reservation. Oct 15 10:51:48 cops are spinless pigs who are nothing without their big capitist backers and thier group Oct 15 10:52:13 BANKSTERHUNTER lets keep in mind cops re part of the 99% Oct 15 10:52:18 to whoever asked to get the video link Oct 15 10:52:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s3zFca5znU Oct 15 10:52:21 bankster, perhaps instead of the whole "fuck all cops" attitude, you realize they are individuals and we are better to win them over to our side than to treat them like shit Oct 15 10:52:21 BANKSTERHUNTER: we don't build a community that way the institution of the police force is a problem but the workers are not Oct 15 10:52:28 1 on 1 you will find cops to be morally bankrupt pigs who need a band of blue thugs to beat up and abuse ppl Oct 15 10:52:30 AnonShaw: the bankers and dirty politicians wreck the economy, ignore the people and go on collecting their massive bonuses and kickbacks...people gather to be heard and get thrown in jail. Oct 15 10:52:44 AnonShaw: you assume the arrest is warranted. Oct 15 10:52:44 bankster, you are really being offensive, and are patently wrong Oct 15 10:52:46 bankers and dirty polititions OWN COPS Oct 15 10:52:55 farmerbob, no, they have a right to protest, but protesting doesn't make you above the law Oct 15 10:53:01 cops gave a fair warning in advance Oct 15 10:53:04 people chose to ignore it Oct 15 10:53:04 your attitude is disturbing Oct 15 10:53:05 BANKSTERHUNTER: you sound like a troll or agent provocateur. Oct 15 10:53:07 they should man up Oct 15 10:53:12 the cops work for the capitalist with the money. they are cheap whores Oct 15 10:53:15 BANKSTERHUNTER: My parents are cops and are not pigs. They do what is asked of them by their job because they have to in order to make a living to raise their family Oct 15 10:53:19 BANKSTERHUNTER i say honeslty for every 50 cops, there are 60 idiot cops.... that being said there are MANY MANY MANY great poliuce officers Oct 15 10:53:22 farmerbob: concur. sounds very much like an agent provocateur Oct 15 10:53:23 thanks anonshaw Oct 15 10:53:27 i have no problems with cops Oct 15 10:53:30 AnonShaw: nobody said they were. but arrest doesn't mean "kick around" Oct 15 10:53:50 farmerbob, I think that protesters often have a tendency to over hype it Oct 15 10:53:53 AnonShaw: well, head on down to dewey and explain to us all how to be a man. so we can man up. Oct 15 10:54:00 I've seen the video, I've linked it here Oct 15 10:54:02 AnonShaw: you think that...based on what? Oct 15 10:54:03 cops are protectorates of the system which mean landowners, business owners and banksters end of story Oct 15 10:54:07 clearly, some cops have acted more aggressively than was called for. many cops, though, support the movement and peaceful demonstration Oct 15 10:54:10 and it shows no signs of use of exessive force Oct 15 10:54:10 are you going to be there today. Maybe we can link up. ill be the only Rasta Man with lock lol and my lock is very very long lol Oct 15 10:54:14 Anonshaw, do you support issuing home loans to illegal aliens with only a phone bill as ID - loans of $400,000 or more, when the issuing bank knows that the borrower is likely to default, but issues it anyway because it will be bundled with other bad loans, and quickly sold upstream to unsuspecting investors basing their decision on fraudulent ratings? Do you? Oct 15 10:54:26 BANKSTERHUNTER cops are just people who need a job really Oct 15 10:54:29 BANKSTERHUNTER: yes but attacking the protectors doesn't help you need to organize them Oct 15 10:54:34 Jay_Guevara, what does that have to do with what we are discussing? Oct 15 10:54:37 can somebody kick bankster? he is totally not participating in any conversation. he is spewing nonsense trying to incite hatred towards the police Oct 15 10:54:54 let him talk. Oct 15 10:54:56 Answer me Oct 15 10:55:04 we'll hear much worse before it's all over. Oct 15 10:55:08 Jay_Guevara, no because you are derailing the conversation Oct 15 10:55:08 if a business makes a complaint cops come in arrest and ask questions later. Even make a comsumer complaint , cops come in and bust heads of the business owner and ask questions later? Oct 15 10:55:11 * OccupyBoston362 (~OccupyBos@a-64-43-491-367.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 10:55:19 Jay_Guevara, I'm not having 10 arguments at one time Oct 15 10:55:23 test Oct 15 10:55:24 I was discussing the veterans arrest Oct 15 10:55:26 with farmerbob Oct 15 10:55:31 please do not derail Oct 15 10:55:32 thanks Oct 15 10:55:41 Because if you do thijnk that behavior is reprehensible you should get off your ass and make some noise about it Oct 15 10:55:50 AnonShaw: you're derailing the conversation. if you want to attack the movement, attack its ideas. don't waste time taking shots at the people themselves. you sound like you're trying to paint them as criminals without a cause. Oct 15 10:55:57 BANKSTERHUNTER those are genralizing claims though, i can also say that everyone name Rick eats raw meat Oct 15 10:56:11 Jay_Guevara: can we use undocumented workers or economic refugees Oct 15 10:56:12 a conusmer or citizen to an institution is criminal but when a business screws a customer or employee or the public its a civil matter Oct 15 10:56:13 needs proof Oct 15 10:56:21 farmerbob, I'm tired of being accused of attacking the movement, I actually support the movement, my point is that hyperbole and exagerating things only hurt the movement Oct 15 10:56:25 and ruins its credibility Oct 15 10:56:40 unless "illegal" is in quotes it carries a tremendous amount of negativity with it Oct 15 10:56:44 to the capitalist its YOUR repsonsiblity and THEIR rights! Oct 15 10:56:48 If I took the train into south station today would there be anyone protesting there? Oct 15 10:56:56 why does trying to be reasonable and not jumping on bandwagons always get me insulted and/or threatened? Oct 15 10:56:59 this is disturbing Oct 15 10:57:01 ... Oct 15 10:57:03 cops enforse their rights and hold you accountable Oct 15 10:57:09 OccupyBoston362 dewey square is right out side so technically yes Oct 15 10:57:10 I love this movement but to make any kind of dent we need an agenda that is solid with a plan! Oct 15 10:57:23 AnonShaw: there was some hyperbole, for sure. but, in general, the police response seemed over the top. i only say that because i was there and saw people being shoved around, chased through the shrubs with sticks, etc. Oct 15 10:57:31 i agree with anonshaw that many people jump on bandwagons and exaggerate facts and situations Oct 15 10:57:37 That's why we're more popular than any dippy little nationalist movement. That's why we grew so fast and that's why we're global. We're on the right side. Oct 15 10:57:41 How can i contribute to a plan and agenda .,.. Is there a central committee? Oct 15 10:57:42 How many people are out protesting today? Oct 15 10:57:56 if police were good they would be arresting the white collar criminals Oct 15 10:57:57 BANKSTERHUNTER nobody is here to complain about cops... once again it was DHS not the cops that arrested us Oct 15 10:58:00 OccupyBoston448 this movement is new and the initial mission is clear wall street needs to be held accountable but waiting for an agenda is not really the best way to join come to occupy and build the agenda Oct 15 10:58:05 448 - there's plenty of time to plan. First let's wake everybody up Oct 15 10:58:09 humanmichael: some people exaggerate. we all have friends who do that. but to say that the police response was asymmetrical to the "threat" is quite fair. Oct 15 10:58:12 it is important to the movement to not exaggerate claims about cops or do anything else to undermine our credibility Oct 15 10:58:25 farmerbob: i agree Oct 15 10:58:25 humanmichael: agreed. Oct 15 10:58:33 OccupyBoston448 there is a General Assembly with numerous working groups, plenty of ways to get involved Oct 15 10:58:34 thank you humanmichael Oct 15 10:58:38 for being a voice of reason Oct 15 10:58:40 this is refreshing Oct 15 10:58:49 reason is all i have Oct 15 10:58:53 ever see a cop act on a fraud complaint smash in an office building smash heads and cuff harvard biz grads in suits? never in your wildest dreams! Oct 15 10:59:18 OccupyBoston362 keep in mind the entire occupation is essentially a protest to quantify the numbers is hard, are you looking to join it? Oct 15 10:59:23 BANKSTERHUNTER you are not participating in ANY of the conversations right now Oct 15 10:59:24 you cant even get a cop to arrest a used car salesman... its all civil Oct 15 10:59:25 i have known of cops to sneak in a blow or two on a white collar criminal, banksterhunter Oct 15 10:59:33 * OccupyBoston231 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 10:59:42 BANKSTERHUNTER, you do realise that you are on a monologue and ignoring everyone right? Oct 15 10:59:43 i think there are a lot of cops who'd love to take a shot at a fatcat banker. Oct 15 11:00:00 farmerbob thank you Oct 15 11:00:00 remember, cops are not wealthy. the cops i know hate when wealthy people try to use their money to get out of trouble Oct 15 11:00:14 cops want to make arrests for crimes, and they want guilty people to be held accountable Oct 15 11:00:17 what you call white collar are at best shady opperations.. you never see a cop bust real corporate blue chip ppl Oct 15 11:00:31 I was thinking of taking the train in but I am short on funds and don't want to waste what I have to find only one guy with a sign. Oct 15 11:00:34 I have been involved in activism for 10 years and never got arrested, I had discussions with numerous cops and if I learned anything its that collaborating with them instead of treating them as the ennemy will avoid arrests most of the time Oct 15 11:00:37 when there are real crimes and evidence of those crimes, you do Oct 15 11:00:38 when you have guys sent out to clean up a park at 1am, they don't want to be there, and they're just as amped up as the people they're supposed to remove. you could see it on a lot of the cops' faces. they didn't want to be there. some of them enjoyed it. some didn't. Oct 15 11:00:40 if cops were honest they would be on our side busting wallstree right now Oct 15 11:00:48 most white collar crimes, though, are federal, not local Oct 15 11:01:01 who's marching today?! Oct 15 11:01:06 farmerbob, the protesters chose to ignore the warnings though Oct 15 11:01:06 MARCH MARCH MARCH MARCH Oct 15 11:01:09 that were given in advance Oct 15 11:01:14 * OccupyBoston575 (~OccupyBos@gijn-04-956-59-19.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 11:01:15 bpd or nypd aren't going to make federal busts Oct 15 11:01:16 AnonShaw: of course. it's a protest, not a picnic. Oct 15 11:01:18 * mojooccupy (~mojooccup@x-69-240-681-210.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 11:01:23 so if they chose to do an act of civil disobedience Oct 15 11:01:27 * inner_vacations has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 11:01:28 they shouldn't complain about getting arrested Oct 15 11:01:32 its part of civil disobedience Oct 15 11:01:34 just sayin Oct 15 11:01:36 Whats the closest station to you guys Oct 15 11:01:44 what line Oct 15 11:01:47 AnonShaw: they didn't complain about being arrested. they complained about getting shoved around, throat-punched, etc. Oct 15 11:02:00 AnonShaw: and having their stuff tossed in the trash rather than impounded. Oct 15 11:02:09 \They've got every right to complain. 1st Amendment Oct 15 11:02:10 farmerbob, since I wasn't there and I have seen none of this on video, please understand my skepticism about the police violence Oct 15 11:02:13 I'm a fact person Oct 15 11:02:15 I rely on proof Oct 15 11:02:16 anonshaw is right, arrests were expected. the excessive force is the complaint, though. Oct 15 11:02:18 no offense Oct 15 11:02:27 AnonShaw: so am i. i was there. i've told you what i saw and heard. Oct 15 11:02:33 if cops were there would be bus loads of thugs being hauled out en masse from bostons skycrapers full of blood on their 1000. suits Oct 15 11:02:37 Strip mining prevents forest fires! Oct 15 11:02:37 the destruction of personal property is pretty outrageous Oct 15 11:02:42 sure but you understand why I can't take only your word for it right? Oct 15 11:03:05 occupyboston575 is that a joke? Oct 15 11:03:05 what I would suggest is to document everything as much as possible Oct 15 11:03:12 if you see it happening again Oct 15 11:03:14 get real cops get orgasams arresting people who fight the system Oct 15 11:03:14 film it Oct 15 11:03:16 AnonShaw: if you don't see the grabbing of a girl by the throat as excessive, when the demonstrators are only standing there, then i don't know what to tell you. we'll just have to disagree. Oct 15 11:03:18 gather proof Oct 15 11:03:30 farmerbob, I'm referring to the boston arrests Oct 15 11:03:37 * cyris has kicked BANKSTERHUNTER from #occupyboston (Please engange in the conversation next time. You are technically spamming.) Oct 15 11:03:38 I have seen police violence in other occupy situations Oct 15 11:03:41 No. Gather more protestors Oct 15 11:03:42 AnonShaw: there are metric-shit-tons of documentation. that *was* in boston. Oct 15 11:03:42 just not during the boston arrests Oct 15 11:03:51 farmerbob, care to link me? Oct 15 11:03:53 banksterhunter, your comments are inappropriate and not constructive. your sincerity is highly suspicious Oct 15 11:03:53 Crowded elevators smell different to midgets. Oct 15 11:03:58 I haven't seen the girl being grabbed at the throat Oct 15 11:04:04 humanmichael already been handled Oct 15 11:04:08 yay Oct 15 11:04:42 * Angry (~Angry@a-64-43-491-367.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 11:04:46 http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Fh8_xL1P_T4/TpUQKioi7CI/AAAAAAAAdCo/asEJM76hd0g/s1600/occupy+by+the+throat.jpg Oct 15 11:04:48 575 - u a bot? Oct 15 11:05:00 farmerbob, because while I seen evidence of police brutality in some cases, in MOST cases it was exageration on the part of protesters who wouldn't admit they resisted arrest Oct 15 11:05:02 thank you Oct 15 11:05:08 no Oct 15 11:05:20 just checking Oct 15 11:05:24 AnonShaw: nobody resisted. there's been no evidence (because it didn't happen). Oct 15 11:05:36 * OccupyBoston044 (~OccupyBos@216.118.ogz.k) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 11:05:48 farmerbob, I have seen the veterans yelling at cops and resisting arrest Oct 15 11:05:49 I even linked the video Oct 15 11:05:49 lol Oct 15 11:06:03 and there's plenty of evidence of people resisting arrest at multiple occupy protests Oct 15 11:06:04 don't be silly now Oct 15 11:06:08 Fighting for peace is like f*cking for virginity Oct 15 11:06:18 that pic IS pretty disturbing though Oct 15 11:06:21 thanks for the link Oct 15 11:06:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @biggovt: #OccupyBoston Ruins Food Bank Fundraiser, Conservatives Step in with $3,700 Fund Drive: The Greater Boston Food ... http://t.co/w2b7Urro - http://twitter.com/debeeze1988/statuses/125225726277455872 Oct 15 11:06:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @ArchitectureMNP: Srsly, this should be a t-shirt Ill believe corporations are people when Texas executes one. #occupyboston #OccupyWallStreet - http://twitter.com/tylercreighton/statuses/125225775208206337 Oct 15 11:06:38 Will the Mayor be mumbling any statements about the protests today? Oct 15 11:07:21 * marxistvegan has kicked OccupyBoston575 from #occupyboston (add to the conversation you are giving derailing statements that of offensive) Oct 15 11:07:40 whoops typo in my message oh well the point is clear Oct 15 11:07:52 * banksterhunter1 (~banksterh@n-54-01-597-57.hsd9.me.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 11:08:14 Are you guys by south station on the red line? Oct 15 11:08:20 yep Oct 15 11:08:25 ty Oct 15 11:08:38 i say was put up the FIX THIS BRIDGE banner up at all costs Oct 15 11:08:48 maddow made the point real clear Oct 15 11:09:00 it would be the shot heard around the world Oct 15 11:09:16 wow marxistvegan Oct 15 11:09:18 fascist much? Oct 15 11:09:23 * OccupyBoston386 (~OccupyBos@c-92-185-131-111.hsd5.nh.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 11:09:32 heil marxistvegan Oct 15 11:09:47 AnonShaw: he made a relatively offensive statement twice and was kicked not banned Oct 15 11:09:49 to be beat up trying to put up a few pound banner on a bridge to fix it is something nobody can justify beating ppl up for. they have no excuse and its a win win win Oct 15 11:10:10 marxistvegan, oh I'm sorry I thought you guys stood for freedom of speech Oct 15 11:10:15 * OccupyBoston258 (~OccupyBos@gijn-04-956-59-19.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 11:10:23 didn't realise that offending people didn't fall under freedom of speech Oct 15 11:10:29 resisting arrest doesn't have to be violent. refusing to put one's hands behind ones head or back, standing when told to sit or vice versa - resisting Oct 15 11:10:30 AnonShaw: freedom of speech is not freedom to offend Oct 15 11:10:37 marxistvegan, actually it is Oct 15 11:10:42 read a book Oct 15 11:10:57 freedom of speech is definitely freedom to offend Oct 15 11:11:00 I might disagree with what you say but I will fight to the death for your right to say it Oct 15 11:11:04 voltaire Oct 15 11:11:09 words I live by ^ Oct 15 11:11:19 Fix this bridge is about jobs jobs and the more the beat ppl for trying to put a simple banner on the bridge would bring in many more ppl and give us a clear message Oct 15 11:11:47 even if it took weeks to put up i say we fight till the banner is on the bridge. the world will be watching Oct 15 11:11:52 There would be no need of the right to freedom of speech if no one ever said something that wasn't offensive. Oct 15 11:12:02 ^ Oct 15 11:12:04 AnonShaw: I kicked the person for not contributing to the discussion they were trolling with relatively useless offensive comments Oct 15 11:12:05 angry, indeed Oct 15 11:12:15 marxistvegan, they made a one liner joke Oct 15 11:12:17 it would be on the media every nite till the banner goes up and shown to the world Oct 15 11:12:20 and you over reacted Oct 15 11:12:28 it's the 2nd time I see you over react now Oct 15 11:12:36 I serve this Country in the Armed Services and some of my Brothers and Sisters have died fo your freedom to speak. Why are some service members being disrespected? Oct 15 11:12:45 I've been a community manager for 5 years marxistvegan and trust me, this is not how you properly do it Oct 15 11:12:48 just sayin Oct 15 11:12:54 very few soldiers have ever died for the right to free speech Oct 15 11:12:57 try the diplomatic route maybe Oct 15 11:12:57 fix this bridge is a great rallying call because it encapsulates the joblessness, the lack of infrastructure and the decline of the nation due to banksters Oct 15 11:13:01 give a few warnings first Oct 15 11:13:02 none of the wars we fought have been to preserve our rights Oct 15 11:13:03 don't jump the gun Oct 15 11:13:09 they cant stop the banner going up Oct 15 11:13:11 AnonShaw: it was kick not a ban Oct 15 11:13:16 That is a lie! Oct 15 11:13:17 still Oct 15 11:13:19 AnonShaw: calm down Oct 15 11:13:26 imagine if ppl died trying to put the banner up.... Oct 15 11:13:35 the cause woudl come alive Oct 15 11:13:35 idk when the iraqis or vietnamese or koreans came to america to rewrite our constitution and eliminate the bill of rights Oct 15 11:13:58 I helped set up election in Iraq! How is that not giving the people to choose and speak? Oct 15 11:14:07 thats not OUR right to free speech Oct 15 11:14:09 i still say we should put the banner up on the bridge. let cops beat and kill ppl trying to put a simple banner up Oct 15 11:14:22 so marxistvegan should I expect to be kicked out as soon as I offend you? Oct 15 11:14:24 just making sure Oct 15 11:14:26 * OccupyBoston386 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 11:14:57 because frankly I probably will offend you at some point Oct 15 11:15:00 I tend to do that Oct 15 11:15:04 let the trolls and captialsit pigs in truth always wins out Oct 15 11:15:24 You may speak freely ...as long as you say the correct things. Oct 15 11:15:33 lol angry Oct 15 11:15:38 the irony of that statement is hurting my brain Oct 15 11:15:45 hopefully you were joking :P Oct 15 11:15:47 the more capitalist pigs talke the more they show their true colors .... fear them not... they cant help themselves Oct 15 11:16:15 yes ..I was joking....uh oh...now I face getting kicked out Oct 15 11:16:22 lol Oct 15 11:16:31 how dare you! Oct 15 11:16:33 banning them only prooves their point ... let the capitalist pigs talk... they do themeselves in. Oct 15 11:17:22 which bridge is upon which they want to hang a banner/ Oct 15 11:17:30 You complain about all the money being wasted but your protests cost the local, state, and federal governments millions. That money could be used to help build jobs. Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? Oct 15 11:17:42 wow horribly formed sentence; sorry Oct 15 11:17:52 a few nights ago they wimped out and turned around when the could not put up a banner on a broken bridge Oct 15 11:18:06 the money spent on foreign, unpopular wars could be spent on those things Oct 15 11:18:10 the dumbest thing this movement did.... it was a real chance Oct 15 11:18:10 OccupyBoston258 actually only cost $142,000 but that is the cities decision we never asked for cops on overtime Oct 15 11:18:21 I just looked high and low and can't find any new mumblings Oct 15 11:18:23 more money is spent on one month in iraq than in the entire history of NASA Oct 15 11:18:25 * OccupyBoston362 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 15 11:19:02 So people can riot and destroy business? I would place police there also. Oct 15 11:19:10 plus, we are helping the cops. they are part of the 99% and now they get nice dollars to feed their babies Oct 15 11:19:12 i still say put up that banner make it a rallying cry....... the whole nation will back us....... just watch cops beat and kill ppl for a banner! that is 100% right and the common ppl of a Oct 15 11:19:22 common ppl of america can really identify with Oct 15 11:19:39 that broken bridge connects with middle class america! Oct 15 11:19:40 i doubt cops would kill people Oct 15 11:19:45 Obama is now getting in on the act with his occupy Uganda protest. Oct 15 11:19:46 AnonShaw: trollin'? Oct 15 11:19:48 wtf are you going on about Oct 15 11:19:48 cops would kill Oct 15 11:20:02 no, they wouldn't Oct 15 11:20:03 it take one death to make a revolution in america Oct 15 11:20:06 trollin', trollin', trollin'...TCOT! Oct 15 11:20:15 cops, like most humans, do not want to kill anybody Oct 15 11:20:19 if you push hard enough cops will kill and get an orgasam doing it Oct 15 11:20:19 You have no clue what true sacrifice really is. I have seen war. Oct 15 11:20:22 * OccupyBoston774 (~OccupyBos@rzwi-236-244-331-7.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 11:20:35 why did you sacrifice? Oct 15 11:20:37 * OccupyBoston774 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 11:20:38 banksterhunter1: does trollin' give you a trollgasm? Oct 15 11:20:48 For freedom! Oct 15 11:20:48 you do not understand cops... they practice all their lives for that one "legal" change to kill Oct 15 11:20:57 OccupyBoston258 and so have many who are in occpyboston did you not see the war veterans at the tuesday morning cop raid? Oct 15 11:21:00 Did I mention I had a solution for our expansion problem? Build UP! We'll add a second storey to the camp! Oct 15 11:21:08 * siegfail (~AndChat@i0e2695s7.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 11:21:16 they just dying for yuou to make one false move so they can act. its the nature of being a cop Oct 15 11:21:33 bankster, i do understand cops. like i said - my father and grandfather are both retired nypd. and my grandfather fought in wwII. they do not want to kill Oct 15 11:21:35 cops are like dogs just waiting for the signal to be unleashed Oct 15 11:21:41 anyone headed to occupy providence tonight? Oct 15 11:21:46 i need to stop feeding this disgusting troll Oct 15 11:21:48 or know what they're expecting for numbers? Oct 15 11:22:15 How many people are out protesting today? Oct 15 11:22:18 We could hire a Norwegian Troll Hunter Oct 15 11:22:18 but u cant bllame cops you need to blame the owners of the cops who are mere running dog pawns of the banksters who own them Oct 15 11:22:28 They are doing their job! Something you are not looking for right now. How many of you have filled out a job application today? Oct 15 11:22:32 * AnonShaw has quit (Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Shaw!~Administr@74.198.nvg.qi))) Oct 15 11:22:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: #occupyboston here are supplies we could use: Medic Packs, Fanny packs, pedialyte(powder), mallow, Nice raingear, instant coffee, 1st aid... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125227893348515842 Oct 15 11:22:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: #occupyboston more useful supplies: knapsacks, and braces - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125228174564012032 Oct 15 11:22:48 * AnonShaw (~Administr@74.198.nvg.qi) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 11:22:53 dude, I am employed and then some Oct 15 11:22:59 cops are cheap whores who are loyal to their capitalist pig masters on wallstreet Oct 15 11:23:25 What the hell is a "mallow"? Oct 15 11:23:28 banksterhunter1, I don't think you are contributing to the debate Oct 15 11:23:28 occupyboston258, what do the wars overseas have to do with american freedom? or are you fighting for the freedom of the iraqis? or did you fight because you were told to in order to secure and protect special interests of big business and the 1% Oct 15 11:23:31 Most of these protesters can't be. They are protesting all day. Must be nice jobs Oct 15 11:23:35 ever think maybe you were lied to and used? Oct 15 11:23:43 Maybe nice bosses. Oct 15 11:23:45 what do our current wars really have to do with freedom? Oct 15 11:24:19 I was not lied to because I have a mind of my own and I chose to fight for Freedom! Oct 15 11:24:20 occupyboston258, i'm currently at work. i get out at 5 and go to my second job from 8-2 Oct 15 11:24:29 you didn't fight for freedom Oct 15 11:24:37 * OccupyBoston182 (~OccupyBos@rzwi-236-244-331-7.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 11:24:43 you fought to line the pockets of the military industrial complex and big oil Oct 15 11:25:08 If we did not have the wars we did youu would not be able to say anything you wanted. Oct 15 11:25:12 OK all I am heading down to occupy see you there Oct 15 11:25:21 i really want the movement to focus on the bridge. i tell you they will put a million dollars in equipment and guns to stop the banner but they cant stop us Oct 15 11:25:27 what have any of the wars in the last century done to protect my freedom? Oct 15 11:25:39 putting up that banner would be a huge victory Oct 15 11:25:43 * marxistvegan has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 15 11:25:54 the banner on the bridge must go up Oct 15 11:25:59 my freedom is threatened by the power of the military, not secured by it Oct 15 11:26:03 WWI, WWII, our current role on terrorism. Oct 15 11:26:05 * OccupyBoston327 (~OccupyBos@j-67-81-70-824.hsd6.ct.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 11:26:09 show the world we have the fortitude and will to put that banner up Oct 15 11:26:25 Who will be in charge of the banning now that maristvegan is gone? Oct 15 11:26:26 The list goes on and on. Oct 15 11:26:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Well John Lennon can't accomplish the mission no boarders | #jag #ows #occupyboston I tell U them Chickens is organizing | #baabaa #oinkoink - http://twitter.com/noyb100/statuses/125230882264064000 Oct 15 11:26:28 cops can't stop you if u have the will Oct 15 11:26:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] ACLU: Police have some explaining to do #occupyboston http://t.co/CAATvIgs @HubNews1 #ows #occupychi #occupymke #occupystl #occupysf #o15 - http://twitter.com/OccupyPics/statuses/125230891210510336 Oct 15 11:26:36 humanmichael that is such a stupid statement Oct 15 11:27:20 * bostongeorge (~bostongeo@g-90-289-265-158.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 11:27:28 How about the founding fathers of this country. What was there stance on freedom and why we fought the revolutionary war Oct 15 11:27:32 howso, occupyboston448? maybe support your statements Oct 15 11:27:41 * OccupyBoston327 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 11:27:58 occupyboston 258, fighting for independence on our own soil is vastly different from occupying foreign nations with no clear goal in mind Oct 15 11:28:39 * banksterhunter1 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 11:28:39 * OccupyBoston160 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 15 11:28:39 We had to go to many places to fight terrorism. Oct 15 11:29:21 * OccupyBoston182 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 11:29:23 Is there any feeds to watch the Boston protests? Oct 15 11:29:27 we entered world war 1 because we wanted a seat at the league of nations Oct 15 11:29:38 I think this country needs more days like after 9-11. Where the country pulled together instead of spliting apart. Oct 15 11:29:42 wwii we were attacked so that made sense Oct 15 11:29:52 9-11 Oct 15 11:30:02 We were attacked! Oct 15 11:30:05 our current wars are not fighting terrorism. they are causing terrorism Oct 15 11:30:10 yeah, but not by a nation Oct 15 11:30:12 not by a government Oct 15 11:30:33 don't get me wrong - we are killing lots of terrorists Oct 15 11:30:37 That is how terrorists make it more difficult to detect. Oct 15 11:31:00 but we are creating terrorists, and we are denying terrorists their civil liberties Oct 15 11:31:13 * OccupyBoston854 (~OccupyBos@btkp-12-759-125-180.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 11:31:17 or rather, we are denying suspected and alleged terrorists their civil liberties Oct 15 11:31:30 * OccupyBoston044 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 11:31:31 in that we don't give them a trial to even prove whether they are guilty Oct 15 11:31:34 Obama has started operation Occupy Uganda in keeping with the movement. Oct 15 11:32:29 do we allow racial things in here now Oct 15 11:32:31 War is never perfect that is why you try to avoid it. When it comes how many of you would die on the battlefield for your Brothers and Sisters freedoms? Oct 15 11:32:33 * OccupyBoston854 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 11:32:39 i would die for freedom Oct 15 11:32:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: #Occupyboston Marchers meet at park st. at 1. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125230967664287744 Oct 15 11:32:56 i thought we were divided by zero Oct 15 11:32:57 Then go to your local recruiting station and serve Oct 15 11:33:16 It is also a job!! Oct 15 11:33:43 War in Afghanistan was much needed since we were attacked .. Saying we don't military in this country is not rational. It is in our national interest to be a strong military power. Oct 15 11:33:45 i have jobs Oct 15 11:33:49 angry, were you kidding in some wy about your comment? Oct 15 11:33:50 and i refuse to die for nothing Oct 15 11:34:18 its not in our national interest to invade dozens of countries and wage war on third world nations Oct 15 11:34:25 With loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service, honor, integrity, and personal courage! Oct 15 11:34:30 use small, specially trained teams to seek out and remove known terrorists Oct 15 11:35:13 The Military Service Members are highly trained! Oct 15 11:35:17 gosh. are you some sort of recruiter? get real. there is no honor in these wars Oct 15 11:35:27 We are not invading dozens of countries! Oct 15 11:35:27 That is what they do everyday. Oct 15 11:35:30 i know they are highly trained. your reading comprehension is horrible Oct 15 11:35:41 Do not exaggerate to make your point Oct 15 11:35:54 Iraq was a mistake i would give you that Oct 15 11:36:02 * mojooccupy has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 11:36:18 but other than that crying "i am not safe because of our military" is purely irrational Oct 15 11:36:28 no, it isn't Oct 15 11:36:42 it makes a nice banner but other than that it is stupid Oct 15 11:36:44 our current military action is not keeping us safe Oct 15 11:36:50 it is wasting our money Oct 15 11:36:57 and killing thousands of americans Oct 15 11:37:23 and giving america a bad reputation around the world Oct 15 11:37:31 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Concert:Colin Leeds - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=M2Jkam51ZmJnb2NrOWZqM2NvMXY5MDd1bGMgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 15 11:37:33 as imperialists Oct 15 11:37:38 alright you need to go and read basics of public policy Oct 15 11:37:39 Those Americans chose to serve! They died to protect your rights now matter what they were asked to do! Oct 15 11:37:49 * sigmoid (~brandon@y-95-15-103-59.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 11:37:50 they did nothing to protect my rights Oct 15 11:37:53 ^ Oct 15 11:37:56 my rights were not threatened Oct 15 11:37:56 No matter Oct 15 11:38:02 Killing arabs doesn't protect liberty. Oct 15 11:38:06 bingo Oct 15 11:38:14 Killing american citizens without trial doesn't protect liberty. Oct 15 11:38:14 9-11 again. Yes they were! Oct 15 11:38:22 9-11 didn't threaten my liberty Oct 15 11:38:31 other than the american response to it Oct 15 11:38:33 "giving america a bad reputation" give me a break.. we were not in war before we were attacked .. our reputation was not pristine before 9/11 Oct 15 11:38:51 the laws that were passed by the bush administration as a result were a far bigger threat to liberty than the actual attack Oct 15 11:38:52 Detaining citizens of our allies for unlimited periods without trial doesn't protect my rights. Oct 15 11:38:58 * aeser (~aeser@p-37-87-86-282.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 11:39:02 the people who hate america will continue to hate us regardless of our policies Oct 15 11:39:14 we were in war before 9/11. the first gulf war was less than 10 years earlier, remember? Oct 15 11:39:39 and gulf war was not necessary in your opinion ? Oct 15 11:39:41 * OccupyBoston244 (~OccupyBos@x-08-97-076-3.hsd4.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 11:39:42 the patriot act, illegal wire taps, etc - those are threats to freedom and liberty Oct 15 11:39:46 Let me tell you this. When I was over in Iraq i saw terrorists blow up a whole market with chidren, women, and men just to kill one soldier or person that believed in freedom. So we did all the killing? Oct 15 11:39:57 i didn't say it wasn't necessary, but it was not for american liberty Oct 15 11:39:58 our ally was attacked and it was in our interest to protect Oct 15 11:40:14 * OccupyBoston244 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 11:40:24 sigh. no. it would've been in our best interest to do nothing Oct 15 11:40:39 we should not be world police Oct 15 11:40:48 team america Oct 15 11:40:55 You tell that to all of the families that lost people in 9-11. Oct 15 11:40:57 we should spend our dollars on infrastructure, education, etc Oct 15 11:41:02 well we are the leader of the world and we cannot cover when our allies are attacked and ask for our help Oct 15 11:41:03 You are so ignorant! Oct 15 11:41:06 our foreign policy led to 9-11 Oct 15 11:41:25 we aren't the leader of the world. we desperately want to be, but we aren't Oct 15 11:41:27 and we shouldn't be Oct 15 11:41:41 we shouldn't seek to be. Oct 15 11:41:48 * sigmoid is now known as brandon Oct 15 11:41:54 The military protects that infastructure and life that you have Oct 15 11:42:01 no, it doesn't Oct 15 11:42:02 well there you lost me Oct 15 11:42:03 Occupy Rome has turned violent. Oct 15 11:42:07 the military drains money Oct 15 11:42:11 from infrastructure Oct 15 11:42:14 from social security Oct 15 11:42:28 sadam had asked for the ok to invade kuwait, bush said nothing so he invaded, giving us the ok to launch our war, secure the oil, then get the fuck out of dodge and leave countless iraqi's who we encouraged to rise up, to be slaughtered by sadam Oct 15 11:42:28 from every other better use for that money Oct 15 11:42:56 * OccupyBoston745 (~OccupyBos@974-493-64-008.c1-3.bkl-ubr4.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 11:42:59 Angry: link? Oct 15 11:43:00 We did not go there for oil. Oct 15 11:43:01 most countries are not itching for the US to invade them, they know the outcome Oct 15 11:43:06 CNN Oct 15 11:43:08 * OccupyBoston781 (~OccupyBos@i-78-131-194-2.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 11:43:13 you are trying to rationalize the actions of radical Islamist by blaming your own country and military.. Oct 15 11:43:23 you have been spoonfed a bunch of bullshit and seem to have acquired the taste Oct 15 11:43:30 calling sadam a radical islamist? Oct 15 11:43:31 * OccupyBoston781 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 11:44:05 no iraq was a mistake but response to 9/11 was not Oct 15 11:44:06 when he was actually the hated target of actual radical muslims due to his secular nature Oct 15 11:44:13 You probably never served your Country but instead tried to tear it apart. That is the definition of selfish! Oct 15 11:44:18 nobody is trying to rationalize radical islamists. i am saying their governments are not responsible for their actions. they are RADICAL islamists. we should have taken them out as quickly and quietyly as possibly instead of launching full scale wars on foreign soil Oct 15 11:44:34 lol if you're not in the military you're probably a terrorist! Oct 15 11:44:48 you are such a fucking troll it is hilarious Oct 15 11:44:51 ou could call our leaders radical christians Oct 15 11:44:52 why are you here? Oct 15 11:45:15 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/15/501364/main20120893.shtml Oct 15 11:45:26 Is there room in boston? Oct 15 11:45:29 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Concert: Tubby Love - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=YmY2ZmJnZ2tjOW1oazQwZjZsdDBxanM1bmsgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 15 11:45:39 * jrabbit we is feeling really useless in Amherst Oct 15 11:45:44 Always room in Boston! Come down! Oct 15 11:45:45 I just wanted to see what millions have died for so you can have your voice. Oct 15 11:45:53 heading down to park st. in a minute Oct 15 11:46:08 lol Oct 15 11:46:17 you are so brainwashed, man Oct 15 11:46:32 the same military rhetoric as always Oct 15 11:46:33 I hope Mumbles appreciates us not setting fire to cars Oct 15 11:46:33 well their country is in no control over them .. that is why they are there in the first place !.. Taliban ran Afghanistan before we attacked ..It is not possible to quietly send out troops as you suggest Oct 15 11:46:38 What you are saying is pointless! Oct 15 11:46:45 * OccupyBoston745 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 11:47:11 fucked up regimes rule people the world over we can't and don't fix most of it Oct 15 11:47:27 http://www.reddit.com/r/occupywallstreet/comments/lb41k/the_city_of_cleveland_said_no_tents_it_started/c2rb1s1 Oct 15 11:47:31 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Concert: Jeff Rowe - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=MDNjMzAxaDRqcjRocDd0NGI3NDk0YjcyZDggOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 15 11:47:33 infact in many many cases WE are the ones installing and supporting these fucked up regimes Oct 15 11:47:34 Then go run for office. Just don't complain when the ones that rally with you now tear you apart when you get on that stage! Oct 15 11:47:39 Mumbles dosen't believe stealing cars is a crime...I don't know how he feels about setting fire to them. Oct 15 11:47:40 yes agree but we should take their shit out when they sniff on our soil Oct 15 11:47:41 * hlve has quit (Quit: get satisfied! • :: core-networks.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) Oct 15 11:48:01 and that is exactly what happened during 9/11 Oct 15 11:48:33 lol you two Oct 15 11:48:47 america fuck yeah here we come to save the motherfuckin day yeah! Oct 15 11:48:49 I think this is the same rhetoric as well. Oct 15 11:49:11 lets go kill all the brown people because some terrorists are from their countries! Oct 15 11:49:30 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Concert: Ryan Lee Crosby - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=MWw5a2RqNmt0c3NycDY4Z2hnbHFxaDJiZjggOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 15 11:49:31 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Concert: Melodigo and Incus - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=dnZycWY4MmNsNGJ2N2lqOW81cnVkZHE0MjQgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 15 11:49:34 more like lets shit on the world 24-7 then get surprised when we make enemies Oct 15 11:49:37 now you are generalizing and diluting the point Oct 15 11:49:38 I have friends that are Iraq citizens. Your point? Oct 15 11:49:46 Apparently Occupy Boston is a protest of the Iraq war. Oct 15 11:49:53 loll Oct 15 11:49:58 Would you guys give it a rest? Nobody ever changed anybody else's mind arguing on the internet. Oct 15 11:50:01 lol i have no idea how this happened, angry Oct 15 11:50:20 You believe everyone in the military has that mind set to kill all people> huh? that is ignorance. Oct 15 11:50:21 not true, brandon. i became an atheist after reading some atheist blogs Oct 15 11:50:33 i don't believe that, occupyboston258 Oct 15 11:50:43 I believe in God! Oct 15 11:50:44 i just don't think these wars have anything at all to do with american freedom Oct 15 11:50:56 bleh Oct 15 11:50:59 He is watching! Oct 15 11:51:13 i thought trolls eat christians Oct 15 11:51:14 humanmichael: reading blogs is not the same as arguing in an irc room. Oct 15 11:51:21 brandon, true. Oct 15 11:51:38 apparently some folks believe if we tear down our military and have no say on global policies we would automatically become safe and secure Oct 15 11:51:43 what can i say? bored at work. no customers. Oct 15 11:51:49 lol nice strawman, 448 Oct 15 11:51:51 The intelligence in this chat room is amazing! That is funny. Oct 15 11:52:26 OccupyBoston258: please be respectful Oct 15 11:52:36 Arguing on irc is generally "who can put up the better straw man" Oct 15 11:52:53 I don't like my tax dollars being wasted for your protests! Oct 15 11:53:08 i dont like my tax dollars being wasted on wars of foreign aggression Oct 15 11:53:14 See I have a right to opinion myself! Oct 15 11:53:20 i don't like my tax dollars being used for billionaires bonuses Oct 15 11:53:23 * Tracy_camp (~yaaic@576-049-640-041.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 11:53:28 and there is more wasted on an hour in iraq than in the entire occupy movement Oct 15 11:53:30 OccupyBoston258: You rather is spent on lining politicians pockets? Oct 15 11:53:33 aeser, seconded Oct 15 11:53:48 More money was spent on WWII then any other war. Oct 15 11:53:54 plz lets all go home so the govt can afford to bail out more banks Oct 15 11:53:59 * OccupyBoston717 (~OccupyBos@otff-36-822-6-272.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 11:54:00 * Tracy_camp has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 11:54:10 * OccupyBoston717 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 11:54:12 thanks for the random fact Oct 15 11:54:24 You are random! Oct 15 11:54:27 more americans were killed in the civil war than in any other war Oct 15 11:54:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @monakart: RT @brontyman: Day of global Occupy protests gets under way http://t.co/I6pZzJKG - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125236924532273152 Oct 15 11:54:57 more money is spent in one month of current military action than has been spent in the entire history of NASA Oct 15 11:55:07 OccupyBoston258: you are incorrect Oct 15 11:55:35 lol lets skew the facts to irk Oct 15 11:56:03 beetles comprise more than 25% of all known lifeforms Oct 15 11:56:26 * OccupyBoston258 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 15 11:56:55 united we stand with our military Oct 15 11:57:18 what gets me Oct 15 11:57:28 is our military/cops/etc. are just working people too Oct 15 11:57:42 on the bottom rungs of this social ladder on par with all of us not with the elites Oct 15 11:58:08 and as in egypt, the tide turns when you get the point across that we are in this together and our fate is theirs as well Oct 15 11:58:41 and why would that "get you"? Oct 15 11:59:16 people make it this "us and them" fight, which only serves to turn things violent and unproductive, keep the people splintered and they can never have real democracy Oct 15 12:00:13 like for real, i understand you opposing this movement if you ARE in that top %1 and want to keep things as inequal as they are Oct 15 12:00:19 * OccupyBoston651 (~OccupyBos@gijn-04-956-59-19.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 12:00:26 * OccupyBoston400 (~OccupyBos@i79-48-903-418.kgldga.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 12:00:27 but if you're not, you're only fucking yourself over by not standing with us Oct 15 12:00:31 Ooh the governor is there Oct 15 12:00:35 Eulogy for a Veteran Oct 15 12:00:35 Do not stand at my grave and weep. Oct 15 12:00:35 I am not there, I do not sleep. Oct 15 12:00:35 I am a thousand winds that blow. Oct 15 12:00:35 I am the diamond glints on snow. Oct 15 12:00:36 I am the sunlight on ripened grain. Oct 15 12:00:36 I am the gentle autumn rain. Oct 15 12:00:37 When you awaken in the mornings hush, Oct 15 12:00:37 I am the swift uplifting rush Oct 15 12:00:38    of quiet birds in circled flight, Oct 15 12:00:38 I am the soft stars that shine at night. Oct 15 12:00:38 * crispusattucks has kicked OccupyBoston651 from #occupyboston (flood) Oct 15 12:01:09 the governors at occupy boston? Oct 15 12:01:29 yes Oct 15 12:01:33 the purpose of this protest is not to hate people who became rich by their own work ethic but to protest against the system that supports the rich even when they make mistakes Oct 15 12:01:46 * OccupyBoston078 (~OccupyBos@gijn-04-956-59-19.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 12:01:47 http://twitter.com/#!/LeFill/status/125239179897606145 Oct 15 12:01:54 Eulogy for a Veteran Oct 15 12:01:54 Do not stand at my grave and weep. Oct 15 12:01:54 I am not there, I do not sleep. Oct 15 12:01:55 I am a thousand winds that blow. Oct 15 12:01:55 I am the diamond glints on snow. Oct 15 12:01:55 I am the sunlight on ripened grain. Oct 15 12:01:55 I am the gentle autumn rain. Oct 15 12:01:56 When you awaken in the mornings hush, Oct 15 12:01:56 I am the swift uplifting rush Oct 15 12:01:57    of quiet birds in circled flight, Oct 15 12:01:57 I am the soft stars that shine at night. Oct 15 12:01:57 * crispusattucks has kicked OccupyBoston078 from #occupyboston (flood) Oct 15 12:02:11 whats the governor sayin? Oct 15 12:02:33 Donno Oct 15 12:02:41 http://twitter.com/#!/LeFill/status/125240016887754752/photo/1 Oct 15 12:02:49 i am for the movement but many like you just lump people who are rich as elite which would be disingenuous Oct 15 12:03:10 http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/10/15 Oct 15 12:03:13 karl marx was rich Oct 15 12:03:27 jaimey johnson is rich Oct 15 12:03:29 OccupyBoston448: the 1% are far richer than you can imagine Oct 15 12:03:44 warren buffet is pretty goddamn rich Oct 15 12:03:55 protest the system not the people Oct 15 12:04:08 the system is what keeps the rich rich Oct 15 12:04:12 * aeser has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 12:04:27 * OccupyBoston515 (~OccupyBos@gijn-04-956-59-19.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 12:04:30 the rich can lose 1 billion dollars and go get a bailout Oct 15 12:04:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Remember: bring non-perishable items for the food drive to camp today, tomorrow, and onward. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125238983277023234 Oct 15 12:04:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @LeFill: Governor Deval Patrick visits #OccupyBoston!!!!!!! #15o @Occupy_Boston http://t.co/vfywaJyE - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125240386326233088 Oct 15 12:05:03 steve jobs was rich and he did not get any bailout Oct 15 12:05:17 bankers got bailout and you can protest that Oct 15 12:05:25 OccupyBoston515: if you feel the need to post your Eulogy, please paste it somewhere online then past the link here or on twitter Oct 15 12:05:26 but make the distinction Oct 15 12:05:28 General Douglas MacArthur once said Oct 15 12:05:28 It is the SOLDIER, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. Oct 15 12:05:28 It is the SOLDIER, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. Oct 15 12:05:28 It is the SOLDIER, not the campus organizers, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. Oct 15 12:05:28 It is the SOLDIER, who salutes the flag, who serves the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, Oct 15 12:05:28 Who allows the protester to burn the flag.  AMEN. Oct 15 12:05:34 ooh DC Mayor supportive of Occupy Washington Oct 15 12:05:45 but they can't prepare food onsite... Oct 15 12:05:46 General Douglas MacArthur once said Oct 15 12:05:46 It is the SOLDIER, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. Oct 15 12:05:46 It is the SOLDIER, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. Oct 15 12:05:46 It is the SOLDIER, not the campus organizers, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. Oct 15 12:05:46 It is the SOLDIER, who salutes the flag, who serves the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, Oct 15 12:05:46 Who allows the protester to burn the flag.  AMEN. Oct 15 12:05:48 OccupyBoston515: please stop spamming Oct 15 12:05:53 you WILL be removed Oct 15 12:05:56 Occupy DC is talking on the OWS livestream. Oct 15 12:05:58 General Douglas MacArthur once said Oct 15 12:05:58 It is the SOLDIER, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. Oct 15 12:05:58 It is the SOLDIER, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. Oct 15 12:05:58 It is the SOLDIER, not the campus organizers, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. Oct 15 12:05:58 It is the SOLDIER, who salutes the flag, who serves the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, Oct 15 12:05:59 Who allows the protester to burn the flag.  AMEN. Oct 15 12:06:05 * leftyfb sets ban on *!*@gijn-04-956-59-19.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net Oct 15 12:06:10 * leftyfb has kicked OccupyBoston515 from #occupyboston (OccupyBoston515) Oct 15 12:06:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @LeFill: Governor Deval Patrick visits #OccupyBoston!!!!!!! #15o @Occupy_Boston http://t.co/vfywaJyE - http://twitter.com/kevinFUCKINGash/statuses/125240953240961025 Oct 15 12:06:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @eric84101 @markshurtleff Utah AG Shurtleff's response should be a national model. #OccupyDenver #occupyseattle #occupyboston #occupywallst - http://twitter.com/OccupySaltLake/statuses/125240981988720640 Oct 15 12:06:33 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Concert: On the Plaza Even from Four Points Restraints - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=dXUwOWR0M3VyYWdvZmRyOTJvbjZ0OTQxbzggOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 15 12:07:35 How many people are at Occupy Boston today? Oct 15 12:07:39 thats a bunch of bullshit, occupyboston515 Oct 15 12:07:56 * GeoBos (~geobos@v-45-93-566-044.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 12:08:09 it is the people's demands for those rights that ensure them Oct 15 12:08:50 people have fought and died on american soil to secure those rights, first from the british, and then from our own government Oct 15 12:09:01 and we continue to struggle against our own government for those rights Oct 15 12:09:36 our own government is trying to deny our freedom of speech, freedom of the press, right to bear arms, the right to peacefully assemble, the right to education and healthcare Oct 15 12:10:01 our government is locking up dissidents Oct 15 12:10:09 our government is conducting illegal wire taps Oct 15 12:10:13 * bostongeorge has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 12:10:25 It doesn't sound like many people are out Occupying Boston today...sounds like if I go there I am going to be lonely. Oct 15 12:10:37 our government is launching investigations on political enemies and those demanding restoration of our freedoms Oct 15 12:11:00 no foreign government or terrorist group can take those freedoms from us Oct 15 12:11:15 only our government can, and only by telling us it is for our own protection Oct 15 12:12:02 * GeoBos_ (~geobos@ncpwui-018-539-580-509.mycingular.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 12:12:22 our government is doing just fine protecting our constitutional rights..stop exaggerating..spend a day in china or pakistan and you would understand the difference Oct 15 12:12:53 * farmerbob has quit (Quit: leaving) Oct 15 12:13:00 * OccupyBoston692 (~OccupyBos@w-92-254-617-75.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 12:13:04 * Jay_Guevara has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 12:13:54 * GeoBos has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 15 12:13:59 * GeoBos_ is now known as GeoBos Oct 15 12:14:06 * OccupyBoston692 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 12:15:26 * Tracy_camp (~yaaic@576-049-640-041.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 12:15:29 "Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of nineteen years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right. It may be said, that the succeeding generation exercising, in fact, the power of repeal, this leaves them as free as if the constitution or law had been expressly limited to nineteen years only. In the first place, this objection admits the right, in proposing a Oct 15 12:15:36 * nighteagle (~nighteagl@w-92-254-617-75.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 12:15:38 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @BostonPhoenix: Photo of Governor Deval Patrick at #OccupyBoston @Occupy_Boston via @LeFill http://t.co/RgLGx00W - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125241947945320449 Oct 15 12:15:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Bring food, bring water, bring supplies. bring bodies, voices, concerns, and ideas only when you speak up can your voice be heard. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125242992234725376 Oct 15 12:15:59 Hello Oct 15 12:16:03 hi Oct 15 12:16:45 humanmichael stop living in fear no one is out there to come get you Oct 15 12:18:36 * OccupyBoston784 (~OccupyBos@caym-21-551-096-603.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 12:19:08 um... okay Oct 15 12:19:11 * GeoBos has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi) Oct 15 12:19:12 i'm not living in fear. Oct 15 12:19:22 and if somebody was trying to come get me, that's okay too Oct 15 12:20:16 good you will be just fine then Oct 15 12:20:27 * OccupyBoston784 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 12:21:10 * nighteagle has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 12:22:04 if it came to it, any man should be willing to die for freedom Oct 15 12:22:46 though, i doubt i would exist on the radar of any opposed to liberty, at least at this point Oct 15 12:23:09 * hosap (~hosap@otkk-67-88-832-993.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 12:23:10 what would occupyboston response be when media heads call us looney and hippies Oct 15 12:23:21 give them the peace sign haha Oct 15 12:23:24 * Josehnton (47e89dca@bkalh1.mibbit.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 12:23:48 good afternoon citizens of Boston Oct 15 12:23:53 why bother arguing against that? let them throw sticks. we can use them to build sidewalks and shelter Oct 15 12:24:00 good afternoon, hosap Oct 15 12:24:01 we should have a better response Oct 15 12:24:09 we should have an agenda Oct 15 12:24:11 why should we have a better response to name calling? Oct 15 12:24:14 we should have a plan Oct 15 12:24:16 humike hey Oct 15 12:24:35 why do i keep seeing examples of anti-semitism in your movement? :/ Oct 15 12:24:36 we should not be called names when the protest message is much more powerful than that Oct 15 12:24:48 where is there antisemitism in the movement? Oct 15 12:25:12 our problem is we don't shout in one unified voice Oct 15 12:25:14 i've seen a few videos of protestors ranting about the "zionist jews controlling wall st and the banks" Oct 15 12:25:17 jewish groups have observed religious holidays in camp Oct 15 12:25:23 * nighteagle (~nighteagl@w-92-254-617-75.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 12:25:23 * OccupyBoston572 (~OccupyBos@a-526-03-40-855.hsd6.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 12:25:36 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @BostonPhoenix: Some more photos of Gov Deval Patrick @Occupy_Boston #OccupyBoston right now http://t.co/nIIciELs http://t.co/KobefXy ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125243581077266432 Oct 15 12:25:38 * OccupyBoston572 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 12:25:56 i've not seen any such action, and if it exists, it is not representative of the movement as a whole or even a majority Oct 15 12:26:03 the movement has got momentum and the message would only be fueled by an agenda and call for action with specific proposals Oct 15 12:26:15 yours truly was on livestream with Tel Aviv a short time ago Oct 15 12:26:27 Did Deval pick up any votes today? Oct 15 12:26:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @JoesUnionReview: Unions and #OccupyBoston Band Together To March On Anti-Union Verizon Wireless Oct 15 12:26:30 #1U #OWS http://t.co/vRKL1kaX - http://twitter.com/dremmelqueen/statuses/125245994798555136 Oct 15 12:26:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Im, as always, with you in spirit #occupyboston, #ows, #occupytogether& #15oct! If I werent feeling sick my body would be there, too. - http://twitter.com/chronosome/statuses/125246018735448065 Oct 15 12:26:37 lovely people- no different than you or I Oct 15 12:26:43 occupyboston448, then pay attention and perhaps attend a GA. any demands or agenda must be agreed upon by the majority Oct 15 12:27:15 Israeli people protesting the same issues Oct 15 12:27:56 we are called hippies because we don't have proposals Oct 15 12:28:33 it is sad because we can affect change and we must bring proposals to the table Oct 15 12:28:52 humanmichael: www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMjm4LxFa1c www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mkFKOCxeHk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvJJOQpXmv4 this took a few seconds to find just by searching youtube Oct 15 12:28:59 we're called "hippies" is a "tell" from tptb they see this as a revival of 60's activism Oct 15 12:29:07 this took a few seconds to find just by searching youtube Oct 15 12:29:24 * brandon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 15 12:29:41 * brandon (~brandon@y-95-15-103-59.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 12:30:13 How come with todays technology there is no live feed to the Boston protest? And now we don't even have Steve Jobs around to solve this problem. Oct 15 12:30:21 it's a mistake to equte the oligarchy with one race or ethnic group Oct 15 12:30:25 * nighteagle has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 12:31:14 josehnton, 1 anti-semite in LA is not representative of the movement Oct 15 12:31:15 let us not be called hippies when we have a serious movement on hand Oct 15 12:31:39 greed is a psychological problem that knows no human boundaries Oct 15 12:31:48 i sent three links with three different people and there are plenty more Oct 15 12:32:13 Josehnton: I'm sorry there are people out there with their own voices. That does not make them the official voice of the movement. Oct 15 12:32:14 448 let the msm call us whatever they want- we know were humans Oct 15 12:32:45 i wish I could see your organization put out statements like that, not have to go ask people involved Oct 15 12:32:59 people just a reminder we are protesting the system not the people who are rich Oct 15 12:33:18 uh Oct 15 12:33:19 448 ditto Oct 15 12:33:20 no Oct 15 12:33:27 let us be aware of that distinction ..steve jobs was rich but he did not need any bailout Oct 15 12:33:47 lol steve jobs used overseas slave labor Oct 15 12:33:54 you should not support him at all Oct 15 12:34:00 How come you aren't protesting the politicians that are the real cause of all the problems? Oct 15 12:34:31 that is an insane argument Oct 15 12:34:31 * brandon has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 15 12:34:48 steve jobs also ended all corporate philanthropy when he took over apple again in 97 Oct 15 12:35:05 important for the oligarchs to know we're not out to get tham as persons, but want to break the stranglehold their philosophy has over people Oct 15 12:35:42 that is his right how he allocates his money none of the movements business Oct 15 12:35:42 we need to make the oligarchs see the light and the error of their ways Oct 15 12:36:08 we are protesting bailouts and bankers who were protected because of our money Oct 15 12:36:23 The Oligar Oct 15 12:36:28 also why does it take no time for this to get posted: http://occupyboston.com/2011/10/14/press-release-on-bad-behavior/ but i have seen 0 about the anti-semitic fringe of your movement Oct 15 12:36:33 oligarchs are the smallest of all minorites and we'll prove that to them with this movement Oct 15 12:36:36 i feel like you would probably want to address that first Oct 15 12:36:41 not entrepreneurs who bring tremendous value to our economy Oct 15 12:37:56 jose some have it in their heads only Jewish people are in control and that simply isn't true Oct 15 12:37:58 * mvN900 (~mvN900@bm33333g4.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 12:38:01 Getting ready for the march. Oct 15 12:38:16 tracy good luck Oct 15 12:38:30 hosap i understand that but shouldn't your movement speak out and say that's not your message and you don't promote it? Oct 15 12:38:40 * mvN900 is now known as marxistvegan|n900 Oct 15 12:38:47 some are Oct 15 12:38:49 You made that statement about the woman in the coast guard Oct 15 12:39:03 let us not protest entrepreneurs who bring tremendous value to our economy ! let us protest bankers who took tremendous risk at our peril Oct 15 12:39:05 Tracy_camp where are you? Oct 15 12:39:31 cyris are at camp? Oct 15 12:39:35 Hi going to park st Oct 15 12:39:40 Josehnton: the CG never confirmed that the person who spat was from OB Oct 15 12:39:47 josehnton: http://occupyboston.com/2011/10/04/internal-solidarity-statement/ Oct 15 12:39:48 read that Oct 15 12:39:55 it was made 11 days ago Oct 15 12:39:56 We will meet up today though Oct 15 12:39:57 marxistvegan|n900: he's not yet ... I have some errands to run, then i'm bringing him down there with me Oct 15 12:40:05 we need to bring that distinction to the table...most of the rich got rich not because of bailouts but because of their own hard work Oct 15 12:40:08 leftyb: i know, but the point is they put out a statement Oct 15 12:40:19 Bankers are bankers...the politicians are the ones that sold you out...your anger is misdirected. Oct 15 12:40:27 what point does that make? Oct 15 12:40:33 oh humanmichael: ty Oct 15 12:40:46 one of the first statements issued by occupy boston was in opposition to racism, sexism, anti-semitism, etc Oct 15 12:40:55 leftyb i was saying there was no statement made for the number of cases of anti-semitism but hm just linked me to one ! Oct 15 12:40:58 ty Oct 15 12:41:05 Tracy_camp are you at dewey Oct 15 12:41:18 * Josehnton has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) Oct 15 12:41:42 I am.at Park.St going on the march. Oct 15 12:41:45 lol i think he quit because he was wrong Oct 15 12:41:54 Angry: bankers are the ones who took risks by creating very risky synthetic securities Oct 15 12:41:58 im pretty sure he came in here just to accuse us of not denouncing anti-semitism Oct 15 12:42:00 oh i am dewey about to head to park st Oct 15 12:42:12 the second he saw it was one of our first actions, he dipped out Oct 15 12:42:36 I will.see you there. Oct 15 12:42:37 hummike it's gret when the truth shows some the door of the chat room rather than the boot Oct 15 12:42:46 * dumbass (~dumbass@u-95-118-197-521.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 12:42:49 inded Oct 15 12:42:53 +e Oct 15 12:43:03 who out here supports hard working entrepreneurs ? Oct 15 12:43:09 now that looks like indede.sheesh Oct 15 12:43:21 i hate hard working entrepreneurs ! Oct 15 12:43:27 i support hard working workers Oct 15 12:43:39 also, i hate babies and smiles Oct 15 12:43:39 448 have no problem with people laboring for their rewards Oct 15 12:43:51 The Bankers aren't the ones that made the rules that allowed for risk taking Oct 15 12:43:52 great thanks! Oct 15 12:43:55 hummike lol Oct 15 12:44:17 i have a problem with people making profits from their workers and no sharing it or creating a democratic workplace Oct 15 12:44:21 why aren't those babies working? :) Oct 15 12:44:30 * Toddstwocents (~Toddstwoc@ekanhi-370-891-348-850.mycingular.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 12:44:54 marxveg yes wealth distribution is unequatable Oct 15 12:45:09 Angry: yeah right ..as big O said it was probably not illegal but they knew what they were getting into when the made credit default swaps on dead on arrival mortgages Oct 15 12:45:19 Big O - Big Obama Oct 15 12:45:36 obama has no support from me Oct 15 12:45:37 At park. Where is everyone? Oct 15 12:45:39 * OccupyBoston116 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 15 12:45:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: UM WHUT. @AlertNewEngland: Boston MA: Reports of loose zebras at the Franklin Park zoo. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125250490018693120 Oct 15 12:45:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @steveannear: This tweet is too black and white RT @cbsboston Several tweets coming out of Franklin Park Zoo right now about ZEBRAS O ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125250538899116032 Oct 15 12:45:45 448 most of what they do is legalized crime Oct 15 12:46:05 technically legal, but HIGHLY unethical Oct 15 12:46:16 * dumbass has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 12:46:20 exactly and that is what this movement is about ...not supporting the system and the bankers Oct 15 12:46:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Marching to park at w #occupyboston DA meet at 1pm http://t.co/IvFvQTYc - http://twitter.com/haveyoumetter/statuses/125250990294319104 Oct 15 12:46:37 systemic change Oct 15 12:46:49 448 bankers are a small part of the systemic problem Oct 15 12:46:54 the liberation of the human race! Oct 15 12:47:16 yes but lumping all the rich into one group is wrong .. it is against a capitalistic society Oct 15 12:47:32 Have to hold camera. Oct 15 12:48:05 448 it's called capitalist class they lump themselve s in we didn't do it Oct 15 12:48:19 it's a systemic problem, rather than the individuals in the system Oct 15 12:48:33 we should stop the financial system from controlling our entire economy Oct 15 12:48:41 we should stop government bailouts Oct 15 12:48:51 speration of corporations and state Oct 15 12:49:05 we should stop financial systems from depending on governments when they fail Oct 15 12:49:17 448 replace corporations with worker run coops Oct 15 12:49:19 * voidclimber has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 15 12:49:23 personally, i think society has outgrown capitalism Oct 15 12:49:32 but thats just my opinion, i guess Oct 15 12:49:55 humanmichael agreed Oct 15 12:50:03 * OccupyBoston105 (~OccupyBos@532-9-70-485.c1-8.smr-ubr4.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 12:50:20 financials/governments in bed together produce some ugly children Oct 15 12:50:29 the united states is probably the one thing holding the world back from real economic revolution Oct 15 12:50:29 the only way a financial system does not have a choke hold on our economy is ..they have to reduce in size .. better risk management through regulation Oct 15 12:50:49 * OccupyBoston471 (~OccupyBos@w-92-254-617-75.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 12:51:09 another out of the blue statement from humanmichael Oct 15 12:51:17 The government is to big...it allows for excuses...smaller government would be less costly and more effective. Oct 15 12:51:22 it's not out of the blue, 448 Oct 15 12:51:33 regulated by independent agencies Oct 15 12:51:43 you are just not following all of the conversations, perhaps Oct 15 12:52:00 forget regulation that didn't work capitalist want more the dereg'd Oct 15 12:52:10 who is united states holding back an economic revolution? Oct 15 12:52:15 how* Oct 15 12:52:24 * thewanlorn has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 15 12:52:40 marxveg AND pricvatized Oct 15 12:52:43 because we rally around capitalism and prop it up as if communism is the biggest threat to ever face humanity Oct 15 12:52:51 poltical economic revolution and it's both gov and capital that hold us back Oct 15 12:52:57 an economic revolution is already taking place in asia ..it is a global economy and we just cannot hold back anything Oct 15 12:53:42 but individual nations decide for themselves we are not holding back! Oct 15 12:54:02 we are holding them back - few nations would defy the will of the united states Oct 15 12:54:05 Protesting bankers is a waste of time...you should be protesting government...instead you have that idiot Deval Patrick down there shaking hands...you people need to wake up. Oct 15 12:54:29 448 we held back revolutions in guatemala, el salvador, bolivia, chile, argentina i can keep going Oct 15 12:54:36 between economic sanctions and possible military actions, what small nation would revolt Oct 15 12:55:02 what about china .. what about india ..what about brazil .. russia Oct 15 12:55:06 we kill revolutionary leaders covertly Oct 15 12:55:07 Angry it's the entire system Oct 15 12:55:12 we have to reexamine fundamental questions like "What is wealth?"- is it based complelely on material or is there a happiness quotient like in Bhutan Oct 15 12:55:24 russia? have you heard of the cold war? Oct 15 12:55:38 they are very different forms of societies and yet are very successful Oct 15 12:55:45 And who is in charge of the system? The corrupt politicians. Oct 15 12:55:57 we stood no chance of holding china back - it is a nation of 1.7 billion people Oct 15 12:56:11 angry no the capitalist that fund and control the politicians Oct 15 12:56:11 humans have inner riches that are crushed by materialistic philosophies in action Oct 15 12:56:11 they have a billion more people than we Oct 15 12:56:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @msofia7: @Occupy_Boston @AlertNewEngland what? they obviously want to join our march..what is so strange about that? XD - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125251595486244864 Oct 15 12:56:42 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @MrMOL1: @Occupy_Boston @AlertNewEngland Even the zebras don't want to be held back anymore. You know the end is near when you see pr ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125251616080269312 Oct 15 12:56:45 ok so your argument is we did not hold back china because they had more people? Oct 15 12:56:47 lol Oct 15 12:57:06 yes. Oct 15 12:57:20 * Truth (~Truth@b-03-96-457-40.hsd4.nh.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 12:57:20 a lot of US maneuvering is to stave off ascendancy of China as world's #1 Oct 15 12:57:24 So the politicians have to whore themselves to the capitalists instead of holding on to some basic principals? Oct 15 12:57:27 the forces of economic change is beyond the control of united states and it is already in motion Oct 15 12:57:32 our government could not go in and stop the revolution of 1 billion people Oct 15 12:57:52 ok for those who were telling me that protesters were perfect little angels that never did anything wrong and that cops had no reason to be on the defensive please take a look at this pic and try to invalidate that one: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/14/article-2049137-0E5FC35100000578-973_634x398.jpg Oct 15 12:57:58 I hope you guys are feeling good about the global violence you have spawned. It is time to put you down. Oct 15 12:57:58 case in point BRIC Oct 15 12:58:00 projection is China #1 by 2050 Oct 15 12:58:02 who said that, anon? Oct 15 12:58:25 Tracy_camp I'm at park where are you? Oct 15 12:58:32 humanmichael, not you Oct 15 12:58:36 you are one of the reasonable ones Oct 15 12:58:37 :P Oct 15 12:58:37 different form of governments, economic systems and yet wildly successful nations Oct 15 12:58:42 also, who knows the story behind that photo? that cop could have been doing something awful and illegal himself Oct 15 12:58:56 Hello Oct 15 12:59:49 lets all protest the bankers and the system in place not the job creating entrepreneurs Oct 15 12:59:57 * OccupyBoston471 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 13:00:03 humanmichael, very correct, my point being that we should question the pictures of supposed police brutality in the same way Oct 15 13:00:08 Where are you Oct 15 13:00:16 Ehat are you wearing? Oct 15 13:00:36 Sure, and overlook the fact that the government screwed you. Let's forget about that. Oh, that's right, you are kids and don't know shit yet. Oct 15 13:00:42 anonshaw, i concur Oct 15 13:00:43 Tracy i am by vets for peace flag blue sweatshirt says trouble makers union Oct 15 13:00:45 Marxist: where are you? Oct 15 13:00:58 Barney Frank allowed Fannie and Freddie run amok and destroy the housing market and take down the economy just because his boy toy was working there...and the idiots re-elect him...that is the problem in a nutshell. Oct 15 13:01:17 Angry Bank of america did the same thing Oct 15 13:01:19 Truth. Frank screwed everyone and yet blames others. Oct 15 13:01:33 It is the system people that is wrong Oct 15 13:01:39 don't care about hot bottom Oct 15 13:01:50 truth, what are you babbling about Oct 15 13:02:00 * marxistvegan|n900 has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 15 13:02:00 * Tracy_camp has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 15 13:02:06 we cannot have the financial system control our economy well being Oct 15 13:02:19 truth do not think the movement is overlooking gov's role in all of this Oct 15 13:02:23 BoA's hand was forced by the government. Had to fire 10,000 because of Obozo's new laws. Oct 15 13:02:42 * brandon (~brandon@y-95-15-103-59.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 13:02:54 Thank you hosap. Oct 15 13:02:55 * OccupyBoston518 (~OccupyBos@w-92-254-617-75.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 13:03:11 Gov screws business, business screws us. Oct 15 13:03:11 well BofA better get its act together..it would have been dead now if not for our money Oct 15 13:03:38 BoA will be dead anyway. Quote me on that. Oct 15 13:03:48 corporate welfare, but no welfare for citizens Oct 15 13:04:02 What are things like at the camp today? Oct 15 13:04:16 Like the Jobs Czar, Immelt that ships jobs to China? Oct 15 13:04:16 You people have every right to be angry...it is just that you have no idea why you should be angry. Oct 15 13:04:29 We are all pissed. Oct 15 13:04:42 Good reason too. Oct 15 13:04:49 * TheRavenProject (~AndChat@doesnt.matter.what.it.is) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 13:05:01 No Truth we cannot let BoA die without us suffering ..that is the problem with the system ..we the people are the back stop for our financial system Oct 15 13:05:39 BoA won't die. But we can hurt them until they decide to play fair. Oct 15 13:06:22 Well that is a stupid argument by the right.. As a CEO he has the best interest of his shareholders.. Oct 15 13:06:23 I am over 50 and successful. I am very glad though that this generation has the balls to speak up. I made it, but I worry about my kids making it too. Oct 15 13:06:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] The 99% String Quartet playing right now in the Dewey Square plaza at #occupyboston @Occupy_Boston http://t.co/e43NN0wj - http://twitter.com/OccupyBostonMus/statuses/125256038621523969 Oct 15 13:06:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] There is an #occupyworcester march today at 2pm leaving from gates of Clark. General Assembly at City Hall afterwards. #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/drewSaysGoVeg/statuses/125256049321193472 Oct 15 13:06:44 :D Oct 15 13:07:38 You young people are in for a tough time of it. It's not right. It's not what my parents gave me. And, they came to this country with nothing more than a suitcase. Oct 15 13:07:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @jobelenus: @Occupy_Boston hey look, it's #occupyprovincetown #solidarity http://t.co/mZiUXVZW - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125254168985354240 Oct 15 13:07:46 The politicians are the ones that bailed out the banks...you people are misguided in your anger...of course the banks are going to take bailouts...just like any of you would take bailouts...in fact many of you are asking for bailouts...blame the clowns that handed out the bailouts. Oct 15 13:07:46 if you are a small startup and you fail no one cares..but if you are a big bank and you fail tax payers have to come in .. Why?? because of a broken system Oct 15 13:08:02 Gah, not going to complain about work because I'm lucky to have a job. But damn it feels like a long ass day. Oct 15 13:08:18 Just wanna get over to the Occupation Oct 15 13:08:37 * OccupyBoston728 (~OccupyBos@j-39-35-266-115.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 13:08:39 NO bailouts. Lef them fail. The essence of a market economy. The people and the market decide the winners and losers. Oct 15 13:08:41 well Angry we the people had no choice but to bailout the banks ...if they went down we would have taken much more pain Oct 15 13:08:58 * OccupyBoston728 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 13:09:02 TheRavenProject yea it sucks being at home when you know you could be at dewey, but also i am lucky to have a home Oct 15 13:09:09 Bullshit Oct 15 13:09:20 That is not true Oct 15 13:09:36 What is not true? Oct 15 13:10:02 That we would be worse off if the banks failed Oct 15 13:10:16 * TheRavenProject nods * Columbia starts today. I have to go home and add RAM to my laptop. Oct 15 13:10:37 New banks would spring up to take over for the failed banks Oct 15 13:10:41 Exactly but since the system is so interdependent on banks we could not let them fail ..they provide liquidity and liquidity is like blood of the economy. If blood stops flowing the entire economy comes to a halt and hence collapse Oct 15 13:11:04 Not sure about that. We are watching the banks fail in Europe anyway. So what if they failed? Not all would fail anyway. only the foolish and exposed banks but the poison would be flushed. Oct 15 13:11:16 * OccupyBoston518 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 13:11:20 * OccupyBoston680 (~OccupyBos@w-92-254-617-75.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 13:11:41 You seem not to understand that that is what is happening anyway...but now it is happening from a deeper hole Oct 15 13:11:49 No that was the argument made by Paulson for a small bank like Lehman.. but when it was let to fail ..it caused massive global shutdown Oct 15 13:12:08 BTW, they bailed out Bear Stearns but let Lehman fail? Explain how that works? Govt picking the winners and losers. Oct 15 13:13:02 The financial panic was due to the fact that CDS' were everywhere and no bank knew their exposure. Oct 15 13:13:24 Truth, if you're working under the idea that government is incapable of acting in good faith, then nothing I or anybody says will mean anything. Oct 15 13:13:25 capitalism works...but you have to allow failure...corrupt politicians cannot have any say in the matter Oct 15 13:14:00 The CDS looked OK at the time only because those with distressed mortgages could sell or refi in a hot market. I masked the problem. Oct 15 13:14:08 Yes you are right banks went on a panic when Lehman failed and stopped interbank lending affecting the entire economy Oct 15 13:14:44 * TheRavenProject has to go back to work. Stay safe, Boston. Oct 15 13:14:59 The heat of the housing market hid the problem, many could not afford the terms. Oct 15 13:15:24 * TheRavenProject has quit (Quit: Bye) Oct 15 13:15:28 So govt bailed them out and transferred debt to GSE's like Fannie and Freddie. Oct 15 13:15:32 It all comes down to this we are all too interconnected to the banks and if there is a scenario in which banks fail we fail along with them..We are left with no choice but to bail them out Oct 15 13:15:47 So you, and averyone around you owns the debt and default. Oct 15 13:16:05 Now you people are angry over the cost of an education but you will probably vote for that idiot Elizabeth Warren, who makes hundreds of thousands a year to teach two classes. Oct 15 13:16:14 We need a change in system so this problem could be avoided Oct 15 13:16:16 Which means, the US Treasury is holding a crapload of bad debt. Oct 15 13:16:29 And we are on the hook. Oct 15 13:16:36 * OccupyBoston585 (~OccupyBos@tdzo-406-26-51-65.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 13:16:39 * OccupyBoston585 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 13:17:01 alright people have a great day Oct 15 13:17:02 If they let those that would fail, fail, the poison would be gone and the market would have adjusted, albeit painfully. Oct 15 13:17:24 Instead, we pissed away trillions of dollars to prop up a failing system. That money is gone now. Oct 15 13:17:45 So, that means we have only small bore ammo left to fight a crisis. Oct 15 13:18:13 We blew our big guns to prop up something that will collapse anyway. Oct 15 13:18:16 No could not have let them fail..we tried that experiment with Lehman ..Dow went to 6000 and the whole system would have collapsed Oct 15 13:18:25 The problem with this movement is that people are angry but know one understands why they should be angry...maybe I'll take the train in and explain it to you. Oct 15 13:18:49 So what, DJI 6k. It went down to 7k even with the trillions. Oct 15 13:18:54 Lot of well know economists believe letting Lehman go was a bad mistake and hurt the economy Oct 15 13:19:19 A lot of economists are idiots Oct 15 13:19:41 Well it would have hurt the common man even more Oct 15 13:19:41 Wait, Angry, noone understands why they should be angry? Did I get that right? Oct 15 13:19:56 You got that right Oct 15 13:20:00 and we would likely be in a major depression Oct 15 13:20:15 K. Thx. Business is not the enemy, Govt is. Oct 15 13:20:31 * OccupyBoston680 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 13:20:37 Shoring up these banks was the right move but it can;t happen again and that is why we need a change in system Oct 15 13:20:40 Actually, the stats indicate that this is a depression. Oct 15 13:20:48 I hate to spoil your day but a major depression is coming ,anyway...made much worse by the bailouts Oct 15 13:20:50 But we are now to broke to fight back. Oct 15 13:20:59 No it is not a depression Oct 15 13:21:19 Agreed. When the Euro fails, all hell will break loose. Short the Euro at EUO. Oct 15 13:21:49 Not a depression? Are you kidding? you must be watching old newsreels. Oct 15 13:22:24 This isn't as bad as it is going to get Oct 15 13:22:24 Compare, stock charts, lenght of unemployment, forecolsures, debt. I can go on..... Oct 15 13:23:02 It most definetly will get worse. There are no signs of growth for at least a few years. Oct 15 13:23:06 Yes we are not in a depression Oct 15 13:23:15 Our unemployment is not 25% Oct 15 13:23:24 We are in a slow growth Oct 15 13:23:37 449, you are an optimist eh? Oct 15 13:23:39 We are not in a textbook definition of even a recession Oct 15 13:23:51 no those are the stats as they stand Oct 15 13:23:58 Wait until the ebt cards dry up..wait until the unemployment insurance drys up...wait until the medicated people can't get their medication...then you will see the shit hit the fan Oct 15 13:24:30 Look at the Mfg index, global debt, slowdown in China, Euro crisis, debt ceiling (which we are fast approaching again), unemployment, food stamps.... Oct 15 13:24:45 Display your evidence that we are not in a Depression. Oct 15 13:25:17 you need to look only into one thing that is gdp growth Oct 15 13:25:24 we are project to be around 2% Oct 15 13:25:29 that is not a depression Oct 15 13:25:35 Agreed, when China cuts up our credit card, and there is a 42% cut in govt spending, the shit WILL hit the fan hard. Oct 15 13:26:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @purechexican Oct 15 13:26:29 At least 500 people at anti-war march at park street #occupyboston http://t.co/ExORHEBF - http://twitter.com/99yardTD/statuses/125261088395771904 Oct 15 13:26:29 Well it is not in the best interest of China to do that .. Treasury rates would not be so low if that were a scenario Oct 15 13:26:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Maybe more than 1,000 here. Hard to tell because scattered around buildings at Park St. #15o #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/ACLU_Mass/statuses/125261099170926592 Oct 15 13:26:35 GDP growth? Seriously? less than 2%. Need 2.5% just to maintain existing employment. Where is your evidence? Oct 15 13:26:37 * OccupyBoston105 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 13:27:14 China has been deleveraging US debt. Oct 15 13:27:42 We are in a slow growth environment that does not meet the text book definition of depression let alone recession Oct 15 13:27:52 What they do is buy resource companies with US Treasureies. Case in point, Rio Tinto a mining company for $13B Oct 15 13:28:01 No they are not ..if they did treasury rates would spike and they are in all time low Oct 15 13:28:30 GDP growth counts all the false non-productive bullshit that in reality is merely as prop...Solyndra is part of the GDP.. Oct 15 13:28:30 * griddlecake (~griddleca@xni-96-572-992-74.dhcp.cruzio.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 13:28:42 They buy companies in Non US countries and the other country holds the treasury note. Oct 15 13:30:09 China is cashing in Treasuries for resources in oil, metal and other commodoties. Very smart actually. The terms prohibit a sale after the deal. Oct 15 13:30:55 China protects the $1.2T they have left without a 'run on the bank' but get the commodities they need. Oct 15 13:31:20 Well if china believes that treasuires will go down and buy companies with treasuries as collateral those companies will become insolvent ..so it does not make much sense Oct 15 13:31:24 * siegfail has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 15 13:32:15 China is not so much interested in a profit from resource companies. They need whatever comes out of the ground (metal, oil) to fuel their growth. Oct 15 13:32:24 And soon enough China will stop buying our worthless paper and then interest rates will have to spike up...our government can't afford to spend at these low interest rates...what do they do when the borrowing cost go up substancially? Oct 15 13:33:30 Agreed, interest rates will spike hard. Are you asking what China does when borrowing costs go up? China is a lender, not a borrower. Oct 15 13:34:34 What with the US Govt do? Raise taxes to cover the intereest. Right now it is about $200 Billion a year. Just interest on the debt. Expect to see $1 Trillon by 2015 Oct 15 13:34:46 What does America do when they have to pay out higher interest rates... Oct 15 13:34:57 That is more than SS, Medicare/Medicaid combined. Oct 15 13:35:11 * OccupyBoston448 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 13:35:16 I'll tell you what they do...they steal every penny they can from the citizens Oct 15 13:35:44 What does America do? You will pay. I will pay. Everyone. Cuts in programs, state funding, military. The pain will be dramatic. Oct 15 13:36:28 If it gets bad enough, the govt can seize assets. They have done it before with gold. Oct 15 13:36:55 * OccupyBoston331 (~OccupyBos@350-324-866-380.c4-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 13:36:59 That 401k you have been working on? Your country needs is. Oct 15 13:37:02 * OccupyBoston018 (~OccupyBos@849-7-92-040.c8-6.smr-ubr0.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 13:37:29 * OccupyBoston018 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 13:37:39 448 truth angry economics not my strong suit, nevertheless thanks for the informative discussion Oct 15 13:37:45 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: We want to get in touch with new (or old) occupations! DM us please! @OccupyProv @OccupyLSX #occupysweeden & any others! #occupyboston #OWS - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125263748083617792 Oct 15 13:37:46 And all these people are mad at the bankers for being bankers...it is like being made at a tiger for being a tiger...the government makes the rules and holds the purse strings...the government is where the anger should be directed Oct 15 13:38:12 The Gold Confiscation Act http://www.the-privateer.com/1933-gold-confiscation.html Oct 15 13:38:33 off to offer support to other cities' movements Oct 15 13:38:35 * OccupyBoston331 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 13:38:48 True. Bankers are businessmen. They don't make the rules. Oct 15 13:38:54 * ross has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 15 13:39:08 stay strong stay supple people Oct 15 13:39:09 You guys are protesting the wrong villains. Oct 15 13:39:11 * hosap has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 13:40:49 I take it you found FDR's act very interesting.... Oct 15 13:41:26 * laiv (~laiv@j-54-42-477-081.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 13:41:33 If the shit gets deep enough...that can happen. Oct 15 13:42:32 I have silver and gold...hidden Oct 15 13:42:55 Me too. I have it safe and I am not a moonbat. Oct 15 13:43:17 Juuussst in case. Oct 15 13:43:19 I pretty much could tell you aren't a moonbat Oct 15 13:43:35 : ) Oct 15 13:43:59 The moonbats stop talking when confronted with reasoned truths Oct 15 13:44:22 The fact remains though, that the Euro Will fail. Nothing to stop it. Oct 15 13:45:18 Just look at the artwork on the Euro paper notes. Edifaces, bridges, building. Not one of those pictures exists as a structure. This is true. Oct 15 13:45:52 No, they are kicking the can down the road...and that can must be made of titanium cause they are kicking the shit out of it...no way an aluminum can could hold up under such kicking. Oct 15 13:46:15 * OccupyBoston046 (~OccupyBos@w-92-254-617-75.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 13:46:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @ACLU_Mass not really; it is Paul who gets the exposure correct; "legal observers" have neon green hats #15o #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/resistoccupy/statuses/125266044343418880 Oct 15 13:46:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Occupy_Boston: We want to get in touch with new (or old) occupations! DM us please! @OccupyProv @OccupyLSX #occupysweeden & any others! #occupyboston #OWS - http://twitter.com/tigerbalsam1/statuses/125266120952389632 Oct 15 13:46:32 Too provincial the Europeans. They could't agree on the notes. French wanted Tour Eiffell, Greeks wanted the Coliseum. etc. So, they made up structures. Oct 15 13:46:51 NASA Can. Oct 15 13:46:55 where is media tent? Oct 15 13:47:32 it is about 2pm, somone onsite should be in here Oct 15 13:47:46 * OccupyBoston046 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 13:48:36 You have the unions and the communists talking over a perfect opportunity to create real change...and that is a damn shame Oct 15 13:48:49 Gotta go. Chore time. Be sure to keep you feet try and get enough food. Oct 15 13:48:50 yall do know the Occupy protests in rome turned violent Oct 15 13:49:03 * griddlecake has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 15 13:49:06 good talking too you Oct 15 13:49:22 Same here Angry one..... ; ) Oct 15 13:49:40 * Truth has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 13:49:48 The Occupy Wall Street movement spreads worldwide as tens of thousands march in Europe Oct 15 13:50:45 * OccupyBoston145 (~OccupyBos@bxpjat-85-74-24-750.albyny.csvoip.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 13:50:47 * thewanlorn (~thewanlor@02-935-569-73.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 13:51:01 Police and demonstrators clash in Rome, teargas fired Oct 15 13:51:13 keeep up the occupatopn.. Oct 15 13:51:28 * akforsanity (~akforsani@nwlr-575-88-269-56.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 13:52:17 it is frustrating that such a strong movement cannot make a change Oct 15 13:52:39 i know... i thought change would happen Oct 15 13:52:50 but its like the banks and cooperations dont care Oct 15 13:53:12 change does not happen if we don't have an agenda and can't speak in one voice Oct 15 13:53:18 we need proposals on table Oct 15 13:53:25 What do expect to change? Oct 15 13:53:25 it is time for proposals Oct 15 13:53:47 time to start making "demands"? Oct 15 13:54:26 we can't make change when one placard reads " Go Obama" and another one reads " Quit Obama" Oct 15 13:55:01 let us convey our frustration by proposals Oct 15 13:55:22 the movement has enough momentum for change but we need to communicate it! Oct 15 13:55:37 http://i.imgur.com/yN7go.jpg Oct 15 13:56:05 Here is a proposal.. Bring back Glass Steagall.. Oct 15 13:57:32 i keep hearing this same exact message repeated: we need one voice. we need proposals Oct 15 13:57:37 * OB_Wiki (~OB_Wiki@b-52-971-383-321.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 13:57:45 its too the point where i don't believe you to be legitimate Oct 15 13:57:59 Hey all, have we switched where we livestream GAs? I wasn't able to find the most recent recordings on the livestream channel Oct 15 13:58:00 we are speaking as one voice, but it is a voice that is agreed upon democratically Oct 15 13:58:05 Are we using another service? Oct 15 13:58:29 akforsanity, go to a GA and participate. Oct 15 13:59:07 * OccupyBoston400 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 13:59:13 we are not speaking in one voice and i agree it needs to be agreed upon Oct 15 14:00:00 bankers will wait us out when it is not clear what we want to see changed Oct 15 14:00:08 * goaway (~goaway@lsdb-387-69-150-162.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 14:00:45 What do you want changed akforsanity? Oct 15 14:01:04 * goaway has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 14:01:16 we can't all agree on everything. that is not practical Oct 15 14:01:19 I want to change the financial system holding us all hostage Oct 15 14:01:34 How do you want to do that? Oct 15 14:01:36 we have released official statements, agreed upon democratically at general assemblies Oct 15 14:01:46 I want big banks to not get bigger but smaller Oct 15 14:01:55 how do you propose we do that, akforsanity? Oct 15 14:02:01 * OB_Wiki has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 14:02:22 So bring back glass Steagall...what else do you want? Oct 15 14:02:56 i have read through official statements they do not put forward specific proposals .. it talks about issues in general terms Oct 15 14:03:10 Limits on derivative trading Oct 15 14:03:52 Stops in place so that volcker rule is not diluted Oct 15 14:03:59 so you would like our current system to put regulations in place? Oct 15 14:04:02 Where can I get a copy of this official statement Oct 15 14:04:34 Absolutely! What are we fighting for when we can't say how we want it changed? Oct 15 14:06:12 * crispusattucks removes ban on *!*@gijn-04-956-59-19.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net Oct 15 14:06:35 all official statements are on the occupyboston.com website. there is not official list of demands, yet, as one has not yet been agreed upon and ratified Oct 15 14:06:40 * OccupyBoston248 (~OccupyBos@66.150.okh.u) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 14:06:42 * OccupyBoston248 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 14:07:03 * remote-ross (~user@ykmlnvs.mayfirst.org) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 14:07:27 well, akforsanity, we don't all agree on what we want. i don't want the current system to put regulations in place. i want to remove the current system and start from scratch Oct 15 14:07:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @ACLU_Mass: Leading the march is Vets for Peace. #15o #occupyboston http://t.co/BEp4mI4M - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125269808609636352 Oct 15 14:07:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @ACLU_Mass Thank you. Thank you for everything. #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125270669998039040 Oct 15 14:08:10 we, as a movement, can't issue a list of demands that we don't agree upon. if even 10% don't agree with something, how can that be on our list of demands? Oct 15 14:08:26 we can only demand that upon which we can agree Oct 15 14:09:13 ok how do you expect to see changes when there is no list of demands on table Oct 15 14:09:38 do you think the "1%" will automatically change when we don't ask for it ? Oct 15 14:09:43 we haven't yet agreed to a list of demands Oct 15 14:10:10 this is not a difficult concept to grasp - we are a democracy. all demands must be agreed upon by the majority of the movement Oct 15 14:10:33 if you attend the GA's, you can take part in the process of coming up with and ratifying the list of demands Oct 15 14:10:58 ok but it is the intention to create a list of demands? Oct 15 14:11:28 is the intention of what to create a list of demands? Oct 15 14:11:37 of the movement Oct 15 14:11:44 at the general assemblies, the process of coming up with a list of demands is underway Oct 15 14:12:18 * OccupyBoston239 (~OccupyBos@regc-00-916-889-822.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 14:12:22 how does the boston GA coordinate with other GAs around the world Oct 15 14:12:41 can someone please tell me where dewey square is? Oct 15 14:12:56 the purpose of the movement is to demand change. at the general assemblies, it is being discussed and decided upon what kind of change we'd like to see and how we want to to bring this change about Oct 15 14:13:08 occupyboston239, take the red line to south station Oct 15 14:13:23 thank you Oct 15 14:13:26 * OccupyBoston239 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 14:13:32 OccupyBoston239 or the MBTA from the towns Oct 15 14:13:47 you get off the train and youre literally there Oct 15 14:13:52 walk across the st twords all the tents Oct 15 14:14:06 * AnonShaw has quit (Quit: Quitte) Oct 15 14:14:17 when is the next GA? Oct 15 14:18:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Amazing piece by @sallykohn! http://t.co/8e87C4uf Pleaase read it and share it. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125274232841179136 Oct 15 14:20:10 akforsanity 7pm Oct 15 14:20:24 cyris are you in there? Oct 15 14:20:32 maybe ill come try and speak at the GA Oct 15 14:20:53 idk if im coming in, maybe ill take the T in around 640 Oct 15 14:21:04 actually yeah ill head, ill try and rally some troops as well La Oct 15 14:21:10 * OccupyBoston663 (~OccupyBos@argc-59-363-792-59.man.east.myfairpoint.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 14:22:35 * OccupyBoston663 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 14:24:24 * OccupyBoston266 (~OccupyBos@220-1-21-337.c4-5.nat-ubr3.sbo-nat.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 14:24:43 * OccupyBoston266 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 14:25:32 * Tracy_camp (~yaaic@576-049-640-041.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 14:26:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Police at BoA building. Crowd in thousands in street out front. #15o #occupyboston Police and undercovers seem calm. http://t.co/EAATZJK4 - http://twitter.com/ACLU_Mass/statuses/125276200972201984 Oct 15 14:26:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @ECOccupyBoston: #AntiWar march is going great! Meet us @ Citizen's bank @ Dewey @ for the Student Solidarity March! wait if we're not there #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/emmarmacdonald/statuses/125276218894462976 Oct 15 14:28:16 anyone alive out there? Oct 15 14:28:25 yep Oct 15 14:28:35 hows it going? Oct 15 14:28:38 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Amazing piece by @sallykohn! http://t.co/8e87C4uf Pleaase read it and share it. #occupyboston @OccupyBOS_Media - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125274390312140800 Oct 15 14:28:50 im not there today, yet getting some errands done around the flat Oct 15 14:28:55 im doing well though, thank you. how are you doing? Oct 15 14:29:05 heading in tonight Oct 15 14:29:09 * OccupyBoston145 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 14:29:43 doing allright, just getting going, gotta do some shopping, had co-workers sticking money in my hands for the camp yesterday :) Oct 15 14:30:04 :) Oct 15 14:30:12 got $160 Oct 15 14:30:21 need to check the needs list Oct 15 14:30:25 * Tracy_camp has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 15 14:31:10 not updated doh Oct 15 14:31:18 jmagly http://twitter.com/#!/OBLogistics Oct 15 14:31:29 up to the minute needs Oct 15 14:32:08 thanks much Oct 15 14:32:16 de nada Oct 15 14:32:26 question on tent stakes Oct 15 14:32:41 I brought a bunch the other night, but i was not sure which kind to get Oct 15 14:32:51 need the big plastic ones or the metal ones? Oct 15 14:33:05 i bought metal ones last time but was not sure if it mattered Oct 15 14:33:24 whichever you can get is probably useful. i'm sure different folks have different needs. all will likely be met. i think metal are more versatile, though Oct 15 14:33:54 yeah, the price was the same either way and thats what I thought too, plastic sometimes just wont stick in and stay Oct 15 14:34:45 gotta find cheap blankets, thats not so easy Oct 15 14:35:09 best I could find was like $10 each Oct 15 14:35:19 note to all going to camp today: Immediate needs: blankets, socks, tent stakes, tools, powdered pedolite for medical Oct 15 14:35:21 * DanglingMan (~DanglingM@z-60-99-366-225.hsd8.il.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 14:35:40 can we please leave the Israel issue out of this? Oct 15 14:35:41 yeah jmagly, blankets will be hard to find cheap. i wonder if the foil emergency blankets are any cheaper Oct 15 14:35:52 This occupation is not about the Middle East Oct 15 14:36:00 danglingman, i dont see that anybody has mentioned the israel issue Oct 15 14:36:01 if anyone knows of places to buy these things cheap in north MA south NH area I will go and buy stuff Oct 15 14:36:04 or the middle east Oct 15 14:36:09 esp the blankets Oct 15 14:36:16 It's on the occupyboston.org blog Oct 15 14:36:51 mIchael: let's hope it stays that way Oct 15 14:37:10 * OccupyBoston991 (~OccupyBos@w-92-254-617-75.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 14:37:25 foil blankets are very cheap Oct 15 14:37:31 i can get them for 3-6 bucks Oct 15 14:37:40 but a lot of people dont want them Oct 15 14:37:43 would love to join you guys Oct 15 14:37:47 from what ive been hearing Oct 15 14:37:53 Foil blankets aren't very good by themselves Oct 15 14:37:57 nowhere on the blog does it say the movement opposes israel Oct 15 14:38:09 they don't want foil blankets? i guess theyre not super comfy, but sheesh Oct 15 14:38:30 No, but even the mention of "Israel-Palestine" starts the comments going crazy. Oct 15 14:38:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @traincandy: @BronxZoosCobra what have u done? @Occupy_Boston: UM WHUT. @AlertNewEngland: Boston MA: Reports of loose zebras at the ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125277850021539841 Oct 15 14:38:42 never used them myself so I can't speak for it. I kinda trust the judgement of those who have tried it Oct 15 14:38:46 And it's off topic Oct 15 14:38:58 991 come to dewey Oct 15 14:39:08 They are not very comfortable Oct 15 14:39:20 figure, these guys arent asking for luxury here so if they say foil is useless Ill take that at face value Oct 15 14:39:21 The weather is being tricky today - but we are still assembling! The International Day of Solidarity March will leave the front of Clark University, at 950 Main St, at 3pm! Already a sizable crowd, come join! The Occupy Worcester Third General Assembly is scheduled for 4PM in Worcester Common behind City Hall. Bring an umbrella! Oct 15 14:39:24 and in my experience, not really good except as an outer layer Oct 15 14:40:14 * DanglingMan has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 14:40:19 !weather Oct 15 14:40:25 need a weather bot here Oct 15 14:40:49 high 60s Oct 15 14:40:51 not bad Oct 15 14:40:55 kinda windy Oct 15 14:41:05 chance of percip 10% Oct 15 14:41:12 makes it feel colder but no not terrible, seems the rain is cleared up Oct 15 14:41:13 at midnight will be around 55 Oct 15 14:41:15 yeah Oct 15 14:41:16 just blustery is all Oct 15 14:41:49 * OccupyBoston991 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 14:41:55 * OccupyBoston091 (~OccupyBos@w-92-254-617-75.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 14:42:36 * lovecrime|mobile (~lovecrime@90.sub-75-34-77.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 14:42:38 hmm how about goodwill Oct 15 14:42:46 lets see if I have one close Oct 15 14:42:51 * jmagly runs to google Oct 15 14:43:03 * lovecrime|mobile is now known as Guest66764 Oct 15 14:43:04 salvation army will work as well Oct 15 14:43:11 if you're looking for cheap stuff Oct 15 14:43:29 and the money goes to a good cause (at both places) :) Oct 15 14:43:31 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to Guest66764 Oct 15 14:43:47 you registered Guest66764? lol lovecrime Oct 15 14:43:52 werd, I kinda hated buying stuff at walmart to bring to the camp Oct 15 14:44:09 but it was 10pm and I figured the purposed balanced out Oct 15 14:44:23 * Guest66764 is now known as lovecrime Oct 15 14:44:48 yeah, understandable Oct 15 14:44:55 check the closets and find an old blanket Oct 15 14:45:18 idk that salvation army is necessarily a good cause. but that is a different conversation Oct 15 14:45:21 * lovecrime is now known as lovecrime|camp Oct 15 14:45:37 i know what you mean Oct 15 14:45:48 we dont have a lot of old blankets Oct 15 14:46:02 we clear out every year and leave at clothing drops Oct 15 14:46:05 okay i need to eat lunch and get my stuff together so i can run in Oct 15 14:46:08 to boston later- Oct 15 14:46:10 l8 Oct 15 14:46:16 going to pick up a sub up the street brb Oct 15 14:46:44 theres a couple goodwill retail stores nearby, wish they had an hours of operation posted online Oct 15 14:46:49 they have everything else Oct 15 14:47:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @EternalRiteWing: RT @anitamoncrief: RT @fuzislippers: #OccupyBoston Ruins Food Bank Fundraiser, Conservatives Step in w/$3,70& (cont) http://t.co/e6eigY4X - http://twitter.com/holymusic55/statuses/125281477851234304 Oct 15 14:47:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Occupy_Boston: @ACLU_Mass Thank you. Thank you for everything. #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/Rakemi/statuses/125281479260520448 Oct 15 14:47:32 ohh ok, local goodwill has its own site http://goodwillmass.org Oct 15 14:48:55 jmagly http://goodwillmass.org/stores/store-locations-and-hours.html Oct 15 14:49:59 yup, and heres the link for NH if anyone needs it http://www.goodwillnne.org Oct 15 14:50:07 http://www.goodwillnne.org/shop/store-locations/new-hampshire/ Oct 15 14:50:25 * OccupyBoston091 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 14:50:51 i think ill hit the londonderry store first then trek in and hit sommerville Oct 15 14:51:16 * OccupyBoston103 (~OccupyBos@w-92-254-617-75.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 14:51:19 should give me a decent variety of options that way Oct 15 14:52:02 * akforsanity has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 14:52:13 * OccupyBoston737 (~OccupyBos@nwlr-575-88-269-56.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 14:52:26 hey hippies what's smokin Oct 15 14:53:21 where are you guys? Oct 15 14:54:07 * OccupyBoston548 (~OccupyBos@098-067-047-78.c2-2.nwt-ubr2.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 14:54:15 * OccupyBoston548 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 14:55:25 * FatsRikerbeard (~FatsRiker@c-20-52-19-57.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 14:55:44 Are there educated people in this protest or just looneys and hippies? Oct 15 14:56:16 everyone taking an afternoon nap? Oct 15 14:56:23 Wow, nodding off to thinking about OW planning while listening to Skrillex produces interesting day dreams. Oct 15 14:56:28 @oblogistics doesn't respond very quickly to questions about needs Oct 15 14:56:37 * Cadrian (Cadrian@ozk-155-728-679-693.sc.res.rr.com) has left #occupyboston Oct 15 14:56:41 its a bit frustrating Oct 15 14:57:15 @humanmichael We are all human. We're working on it - communication infastruture is a problem in all Occupy movements. Everyone is doing the best they can. Oct 15 14:57:45 ***infrastructure Oct 15 14:58:17 Sometimes, there's just not enough hands on deck to get the amount of work done. Please be patient, I'm sure they're doing their best. Oct 15 14:58:36 Where can i join the movement of hippies in boston? Oct 15 14:58:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Lots of incredible statements being made in this photo. http://t.co/AMEmEHWq - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125283382245601280 Oct 15 14:58:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Whitehaus Family Record 4-6; Hallelujah The Hills 6-7. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125283508074717184 Oct 15 14:59:31 hippies u all sleeping? Oct 15 15:00:21 * OccupyBoston103 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 15:01:09 * Tracy_camp (~yaaic@576-049-640-041.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 15:01:17 I am a hippie where can i join others? Oct 15 15:01:24 Hwllo Oct 15 15:01:27 Hello Oct 15 15:01:30 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Anti-Oppression General Assembly - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=czZldXA0dDZxMHUzMzk4Mjk3NDU4cGZ1M2cgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 15 15:01:31 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] General Assembly - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=YWFuaW9sZDYwMGhmMTg3OXJ1bzlla2VkMDAgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 15 15:01:32 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Queer & Trans Caucus Meeting - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=dXI2M2ZoY2F0bTF1Z2h2czI4bWRvbjIyYTAgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 15 15:01:34 March was greay Oct 15 15:01:42 hey trace you a hippy? Oct 15 15:02:05 thinking of heading done this afternoon to see what its like Oct 15 15:02:30 am i blocked? Oct 15 15:03:00 * FatsRikerbeard has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 15 15:03:18 http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/111015/occupy-wall-street-democrats-republicans-politics Oct 15 15:03:32 * leftyfb_ (~leftyfb@fmjkbr-632-608-605-501.mycingular.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 15:03:39 you are not blocked 737 Oct 15 15:04:00 why is no one responding to my silly questions? Oct 15 15:04:04 Anyone from media on? Oct 15 15:04:26 no idea Oct 15 15:04:31 i was looking at the interwebs Oct 15 15:04:34 i am a hippy are there any hippies in the movement ? Oct 15 15:04:47 I am.right near media Oct 15 15:04:48 quite a few "hippy" types Oct 15 15:04:52 Someone kick him Oct 15 15:04:55 thats a pretty broad stereotype thesedays Oct 15 15:05:00 don't feed the trolls Oct 15 15:05:06 Lefty: right near media Oct 15 15:05:12 Tracy_camp: Can you call me?? Oct 15 15:05:34 Sue Oct 15 15:05:48 for the most part its catgorized by most by a way people look, they then attach a whole bunch of baggage to that image Oct 15 15:05:52 nice! is smoking allowed in camps? Oct 15 15:05:54 * demi (~demi@26-462-975-82.adsl.net.t-com.hr) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 15:06:02 no drugs in camp, occupyboston737 Oct 15 15:06:03 Got my #? Oct 15 15:06:09 there are plenty of people that dress in the 60's era progressive movement style Oct 15 15:06:21 where do they go to get their moolah then Oct 15 15:06:25 if you want to use controlled substances, do it elsewhere Oct 15 15:06:28 but i have not met many that meet the common stero type of the drugged up space cadet Oct 15 15:06:30 ... Oct 15 15:06:35 and havent seen any at OB Oct 15 15:07:07 hippies need their smoke Oct 15 15:07:20 where is the boot Oct 15 15:07:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @ACLU_Mass: Undercovers seem to have keen interest in photographing this group. #15o #occupyboston http://t.co/A0bBUWvs - http://twitter.com/liandraleao/statuses/125286522000904194 Oct 15 15:07:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] What?@cinnamngrl: you're heckling not debating. #occupyboston and I still think your personal freedom is an illusion of corporate slavery - http://twitter.com/Wickedsmaaaht/statuses/125286526266511360 Oct 15 15:07:31 * OccupyBoston289 (~OccupyBos@w-92-254-617-75.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 15:07:34 i wouldnt know who does or who doesnt there since its not allowed in camp Oct 15 15:07:39 * demi has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 15:07:39 neither is alchol Oct 15 15:07:54 the only chemicals going around the camp are caffiene and nicotiene Oct 15 15:08:04 WORCESTER IS MARCHING! CHECK OUR FACEBOOK FOR PICTURES AND UPDATES! Oct 15 15:08:09 should i set up my own camp or is the camp set up for me Oct 15 15:08:22 you need to bring your own stuff Oct 15 15:08:30 its detrimental to the movement to bring controlled substances to camp Oct 15 15:08:32 there is some stuff available but supplies are limited Oct 15 15:08:37 you def need your own tent Oct 15 15:08:38 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: These are the guys who will be on the news tonight. Just wait. http://t.co/M8PcuQqK - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125284392389181440 Oct 15 15:08:39 do not bring drugs to camp Oct 15 15:08:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: The independent newspaper The Occupy Boston Globe needs your support! Kickstarter: http://t.co/opDZMm1d #occupyboston #FreeSpeech - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125285350741508096 Oct 15 15:08:41 Tracy_camp: Thanks Oct 15 15:09:30 * Tracy_camp has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 15 15:09:42 oh what about food and loo ? Oct 15 15:09:48 * coming (~coming@i-09-947-495-040.hsd4.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 15:10:03 not sure about bathrooms but there is a food tent and donations come in all day and niht Oct 15 15:10:10 there is food, but donations of prepared and non perishable foods are encouraged Oct 15 15:10:16 but if you can afford to bring some please do Oct 15 15:10:17 bathroom facilities are located in south station Oct 15 15:10:40 do men and women mingle ? Oct 15 15:10:46 Damnit Oct 15 15:11:02 well if you mean talk, yes, i havent seen any meet-market type behavior Oct 15 15:11:02 Just a sec, I'll handle this Oct 15 15:11:05 * OccupyBoston111 (~OccupyBos@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 15:11:09 i do beleive everyone is pre-occupied Oct 15 15:11:16 Lefty you local? Oct 15 15:11:20 is there DEA on site ? Oct 15 15:11:26 "mingling" is certainly not quite on the agenda Oct 15 15:11:28 * OccupyBoston111 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 15:11:40 BPD has a few on duty officers about 50 yards away Oct 15 15:11:46 but not in the camp Oct 15 15:11:47 thats it Oct 15 15:11:53 lovecrime|camp: On my way Oct 15 15:12:02 Coming from Springfield, if I wanted to park on a T-Station which one would be the best to park and ride? Oct 15 15:12:17 is it a good place to meet people of opposite sex with similar interests? Oct 15 15:12:26 looking now coming, one sec Oct 15 15:12:32 lovecrime|camp: Can you boot 737 please ? Oct 15 15:12:35 737, it is not a dating site Oct 15 15:12:35 * OccupyBoston289 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 15:12:57 Leftyfb_: i have to run soon. Will you be at media? Oct 15 15:13:06 likely, if that is your intention, the intelligent, strong women at the camp will see right through you Oct 15 15:13:07 why am i being booted .. if i want to protest for a week need to know what i can expect Oct 15 15:13:08 Yes Oct 15 15:13:24 Occupyboston737: stop trolling Oct 15 15:13:25 chill guys let him ask his questions Oct 15 15:13:27 0 Oct 15 15:13:34 Plain and simple Oct 15 15:13:34 just be metered and even Oct 15 15:13:38 dont let him bait it Oct 15 15:14:02 sometimes people arent trolls, and even if they are in this case adverse reactions dont help to turn people around Oct 15 15:14:13 chances are hes 99% like the rest of us Oct 15 15:14:27 we need to work to change minds not kick out the ones that dont agree Oct 15 15:14:33 only protest if you are serious about it, 737. camp is not a place to get high and get laid. Oct 15 15:14:43 otherwise we are just another teaparty Oct 15 15:14:44 jmagly you are the voice of reason Oct 15 15:14:45 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to leftyfb_ Oct 15 15:14:54 thank you Oct 15 15:14:59 even if 737 is trolling Oct 15 15:15:04 hes making points in the troll Oct 15 15:15:22 if he is indeed a troll he is representing the sterotype many see the movement as representing Oct 15 15:15:33 these are points we need to respond to Oct 15 15:15:43 and at the same time if 737 is legitatmet Oct 15 15:15:53 maybe he just needs some reasoned education Oct 15 15:15:58 what is the average length of protest for an individual? Oct 15 15:16:20 a week a day a night ? Oct 15 15:16:23 it varies Oct 15 15:16:29 some people have been there the whole time Oct 15 15:16:37 some people camp only at night after work Oct 15 15:16:44 others come by and hang out for a few hours Oct 15 15:16:52 how do they make money if they stay there for weeks? Oct 15 15:17:01 i suggest just stopping by for a few hours first, walk around, meet people Oct 15 15:17:15 well quite a few do have jobs Oct 15 15:17:22 some are in the tech industry and can work remotely Oct 15 15:17:31 some work in the city so they camp at night and after work Oct 15 15:17:33 oh there is wifi! Oct 15 15:17:50 ? Oct 15 15:17:52 others like myself work full time so we come by and hang out and bring in supplies for those that arent working Oct 15 15:17:56 no wifi Oct 15 15:18:03 people share 3g and lte connections Oct 15 15:18:40 pretty much everyone, even the unemployed are doing something in camp Oct 15 15:18:46 its kept up really well Oct 15 15:18:49 considering Oct 15 15:18:51 nice! Oct 15 15:19:16 creative lot those campers Oct 15 15:19:21 give them anything they will find a use for it Oct 15 15:19:33 we need that Oct 15 15:19:39 really need primary camping supplies though Oct 15 15:19:46 tent stuff mainly, stakes and such Oct 15 15:19:49 * OccupyBoston459 (~OccupyBos@w-27-59-765-296.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 15:19:52 also blankets Oct 15 15:19:52 * coming has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 15:20:17 so where do people protest in their camps? Oct 15 15:20:18 * OccupyBoston459 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 15:20:36 most of the protesting takes place on the perimeters of camp or outside the camp Oct 15 15:20:48 although, the camp itself could be seen as a form of protest Oct 15 15:20:53 just by existing Oct 15 15:21:04 is there a leader ? Oct 15 15:21:08 it is and people know its there even if people are not out with signs Oct 15 15:21:10 there is no leader Oct 15 15:21:11 no leaders Oct 15 15:21:17 it is a horizontal democracy Oct 15 15:21:27 there are some strong personalities that act as facilitators Oct 15 15:21:27 oh no we need a leader Oct 15 15:21:29 some are more vocal than others, but every person has equal say Oct 15 15:21:35 but no real leadership Oct 15 15:21:40 no, troll - we don't need a leader Oct 15 15:21:45 nahh no leader needed Oct 15 15:21:55 people can work by consensus Oct 15 15:21:58 nahh i disagree we need a leader for the movement Oct 15 15:22:04 the need of leadership is an antiquiated concept Oct 15 15:22:05 jmagly, @oblogistics still hasn't responded about the metal vs. plastic stakes Oct 15 15:22:19 no i disagree every movement in history has had a leader Oct 15 15:22:19 oh thank you for asking them michael Oct 15 15:22:29 well, troll, the majority doesn't want a leader Oct 15 15:22:47 let me put it the way I see it Oct 15 15:22:53 history has much to teach us Oct 15 15:22:58 but not just about what works Oct 15 15:22:58 * Toddstwocents has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 15 15:22:59 your movement is similar to nonviolence by gandhi .. he was a leader Oct 15 15:23:02 but what needs to change Oct 15 15:23:19 leadership is an ingrained concept in humans Oct 15 15:23:34 its a pack mentality that goes back to our evoloutionary roots Oct 15 15:24:00 as man evolves and becomes more intelligent he is capable of forgoing base eveloutionary needs for better systems Oct 15 15:24:16 alright you don't make any sense Oct 15 15:24:27 our brains allow us to evolve past core concepts that may have helped us survive in the past but will not help us in the future Oct 15 15:24:28 the blankets requested are specifically the thermal blankets Oct 15 15:24:46 sorry 737 let me try to break it down Oct 15 15:24:55 oh ok and how do you know that? Oct 15 15:25:06 you have no data Oct 15 15:25:12 just a vague concept Oct 15 15:25:13 and hope Oct 15 15:25:20 the movement has a message Oct 15 15:25:25 it just needs a strong leader Oct 15 15:25:29 you are making interesting assumptions without asking additional questions for detail Oct 15 15:25:32 there is nothing wrong with leadership Oct 15 15:25:51 * OccupyBoston106 (~OccupyBos@x-71-165-583-019.hsd2.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 15:25:53 there is something wrong with the system Oct 15 15:25:54 leadership means that one voice has more power than others Oct 15 15:26:05 that is the opposite of horizontal democracy, in which all voices are equal Oct 15 15:26:11 * OccupyBoston106 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 15:26:21 so throught history leadership served a good purpose Oct 15 15:26:32 it helped orgnaize and drive people forward Oct 15 15:26:34 however Oct 15 15:26:39 no leadership is not one having more power Oct 15 15:26:42 * ywwg (~owen@f-21-044-99-506.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 15:26:47 it was really primairly a stop gap for a logisitical problem Oct 15 15:26:50 the problem is Oct 15 15:26:56 leadership is showing direction for many with one voice Oct 15 15:27:02 it does not mean more power Oct 15 15:27:04 how do you get 1000s or millions of people working togher in a co-oridnated manner Oct 15 15:27:15 it just means showing proper direction Oct 15 15:27:24 in the past we lacked communication abilities and tools to do this on a large scale without leadership Oct 15 15:27:25 who decides what is proper? Oct 15 15:27:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Occupy_Boston: Don't leave, folks: there's another march directly after this. #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/3lis3Ashl3y/statuses/125291472646975488 Oct 15 15:27:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Time to make some $$$!!! RT @DigBoston: .@cloverfoodtruck festival @occupy_boston http://t.co/KyGgxtUy #O15 #occupyboston @hellogreenway - http://twitter.com/Ian_Ganley/statuses/125291489537425408 Oct 15 15:27:30 * MK_home (~MK_home@736-705-22-803.c4-0.frm-ubr8.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 15:27:34 things have changed alot in 6000 years though Oct 15 15:27:39 the people can decide for themselves which direction is proper without a leader Oct 15 15:27:47 this is the age of the internet, we have faster than light communication across the globe Oct 15 15:28:08 we have computers that can corrlate and report on vast swaths of global data in the time it took me to write this sentence Oct 15 15:28:28 oh nooo twitter is down Oct 15 15:28:46 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Don't leave, folks: there's another march directly after this. #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125290469323309056 Oct 15 15:28:47 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Women's caucus in 7 minutes by the library. Bands starting soon so we'll move to the side of the building. Meet there if you're late. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125290971918376961 Oct 15 15:28:51 these technologies along with a new global sense of unity and a good framework estabilished through open means can create a society without leadher Oct 15 15:29:10 * OccupyBoston488 (~OccupyBos@96.237.hk.in) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 15:29:29 so your argument is we have internet and faster computers so we don't need a leader Oct 15 15:29:34 no no Oct 15 15:29:41 you cant just throw technology at the problem Oct 15 15:29:58 what you are assuming is a leader is against the voice of masses Oct 15 15:30:05 there is a culture change needed and a new framework for society to communicate and work together Oct 15 15:30:10 no i dont assume that Oct 15 15:30:12 you are against the concept of " leadership" Oct 15 15:30:25 as a matter of fact I assume that all leaders start with the best of intnetions Oct 15 15:30:32 the problem is a leader i still human Oct 15 15:30:36 a human is fallable Oct 15 15:30:38 there is a difference between a leader and an authority Oct 15 15:30:48 and one man/woman can be influnced Oct 15 15:30:56 we have leaders all over the movement Oct 15 15:31:06 but they have no official authority Oct 15 15:31:12 any one person should not so effictively wiled the power over so many Oct 15 15:31:13 the world is not black and white as you interpret Oct 15 15:31:21 there is still a lot of gray area Oct 15 15:31:41 and still a lot of decisions to me made in the absence of conclusive evidence/needs Oct 15 15:31:50 that is one of the many reasons one needs a leader Oct 15 15:31:57 I am not entirely sure which of my statements at this point could be catergorized as "black vs white" Oct 15 15:32:05 to represent and make those decisions Oct 15 15:32:20 nobody needs to make decisions. everybody needs to make decisions, together Oct 15 15:32:34 exactly that is "black and white" Oct 15 15:32:39 to have one person make decisions without the approval of the majority would be counter to the movement Oct 15 15:33:03 737 Oct 15 15:33:06 if you have 10 people in the room they will have ten different problems and answers Oct 15 15:33:16 I will agree that there is still a certain need for classic leadership Oct 15 15:33:17 it is impossible to reach conclusion Oct 15 15:33:22 and move forward Oct 15 15:33:26 good examples would be ships at sea Oct 15 15:33:30 military operations Oct 15 15:33:43 10 different people will have 10 different problems, but many will also share each others problems. they will also likely have 10 different solutions, but can agree on 1 that works best Oct 15 15:34:04 but societies as a whole do not need such kinds of highly directed leadership Oct 15 15:34:32 you still have leader types in society but they play a different role Oct 15 15:34:42 and a very very important role Oct 15 15:35:06 again jmagly you are very vague Oct 15 15:35:29 i thought this movement is about bringing structural change in our financial system Oct 15 15:35:34 that is much needed Oct 15 15:35:39 well the stuff we are talking about is the stuff of 100+ page theisis and research type papers Oct 15 15:35:55 we would need to get into some more specific topics if you want to drill down Oct 15 15:36:07 We need a better way to have the conversation Oct 15 15:36:12 * OccupyBoston508 (~OccupyBos@vmwn-387-92-695-265.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 15:36:13 yeah for every thesis you put out there could be another counter thesis Oct 15 15:36:23 the peoples mic takes forever Oct 15 15:36:24 Scott Adams the creator of dilbert posted in his blog this week Oct 15 15:36:34 please don't make this a movement for your impractical theoretical concepts Oct 15 15:36:37 he said that when the board of directors in a company Oct 15 15:36:41 the internet allows thousande of conversations to happen togeter at once Oct 15 15:36:46 is twitter down for anyone else? Oct 15 15:36:50 yup Oct 15 15:36:55 wants to get rid of a CEO they do not need to have a plan of action for the new incoming CEO Oct 15 15:37:06 too many occupations I guess :) Oct 15 15:37:08 thier job is to fire the bum and get a new guy in to fix the problem Oct 15 15:37:24 the OWS movement is kinda like that Oct 15 15:37:48 * OccupyBoston508 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 15:37:57 there you go you made your own point Oct 15 15:38:07 they need a "new guy" Oct 15 15:38:09 why ? Oct 15 15:38:09 737 I think you assume too much about what indiviudals think within the movement and how that affects the consensus Oct 15 15:38:11 twitter is down Oct 15 15:38:14 not even a failwhale Oct 15 15:38:19 my thougths on a leadership sociity are my own Oct 15 15:38:38 when OWS makes any satement it would be a consusnes from the group Oct 15 15:38:48 remember that no one in this chat room can speak for the group Oct 15 15:38:48 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @OccupyWallStNYC: Proud marchers leave Washington Sq, headed to Times Sq. Meet us there! #ows #15oct #usdor - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125292700101652480 Oct 15 15:39:05 so dont assume that I or anyone else does even if they agree with me or not Oct 15 15:39:11 consensus Oct 15 15:39:14 on my theoritecal concepts Oct 15 15:39:20 * axb21 (~abucci@uvag-10-205-262-745.lv.lv.cox.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 15:39:27 23 Oct 15 15:39:31 sure that is good to know Oct 15 15:39:53 Hey Who here has been active in occupy boston? Oct 15 15:40:02 i have Oct 15 15:40:10 i think most people here are Oct 15 15:40:10 what do you mean by active Oct 15 15:40:15 we need actions..not concepts and vague ideas Oct 15 15:40:16 * lovecrime|camp raises hand Oct 15 15:40:24 We need to collect and update the passed resolution page Oct 15 15:40:33 only way to make the movement go forward Oct 15 15:40:35 Bbl Oct 15 15:40:38 is a collective leader Oct 15 15:40:40 * lovecrime|camp has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 15 15:40:43 well 737, consensus is a slow process like true decomacracy should be Oct 15 15:40:48 who can stand up for our collective voice Oct 15 15:40:55 bascically the way it works Oct 15 15:40:58 that is not the view of the group as a whole, 737 Oct 15 15:41:00 is there are a number of working groups Oct 15 15:41:08 that talk about various subjects Oct 15 15:41:13 finance, health etc Oct 15 15:41:18 we need immediate action .. right now! Oct 15 15:41:22 you join and work with whoever you like Oct 15 15:41:22 i think twitter was hacked or something Oct 15 15:41:42 We definitely don't need a message or decisive action for 2 reasons: Oct 15 15:41:49 once a day there is general assembly where a list of topics to come to agreement on Oct 15 15:41:54 if europe explodes there is going to be another bank bail out and we have no choice Oct 15 15:42:05 no choice for what? Oct 15 15:42:09 1. we are growing every day as it is and we need to assemble our full constituency Oct 15 15:42:19 starting fires? tipping cars over? what does that achieve 737? Oct 15 15:42:25 We can't start having the conversation when then 99% is really like the 20% Oct 15 15:42:25 i looked at the boston assembly and it is ineffectual at best .. Oct 15 15:42:39 there is no policy decisions .. none! Oct 15 15:42:41 what would you suggest 737 Oct 15 15:42:49 Reason 2: as soon as we decide what we're for/aginst people will lose interest Oct 15 15:42:57 ineffectual isn't really a word Oct 15 15:43:09 also we will become fixed in our ideaology and that is dangerous Oct 15 15:43:14 but it's only ineffective if there is an effect it is not producing Oct 15 15:43:17 * OccupyBoston181 (~OccupyBos@208.255.lz.vu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 15:43:22 well I think you might be conflating the concept of a goup like the tea party with ows Oct 15 15:43:27 * OccupyBoston181 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 15:43:30 We don't need a leader or a message, we are doing just fine Oct 15 15:43:32 ows is part of a larger worldwide progressive movement Oct 15 15:43:41 its not really a party or a platform Oct 15 15:43:45 and right now, the desired effect seems to be to gain attention and draw support so as many voices as possible can be involved in coming up with a solution to the problems Oct 15 15:44:08 and an agreement on what the problems are in the first place Oct 15 15:44:16 agreement is key Oct 15 15:44:19 and agreement takes time Oct 15 15:44:24 give me one result that you would like to see, which you would look and say wow ows was a success Oct 15 15:44:44 the great thing about a democratic movement with no "official" stance is that it can change as it grows Oct 15 15:44:50 can you please restate that im not sure what you are asking for Oct 15 15:45:12 * Tracy_camp (~yaaic@576-049-640-041.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 15:45:13 what any individual here personally wants might not reflect the overall desire of the group Oct 15 15:45:22 what change would like to see in the society or government that would lead you to conclude ows was a success Oct 15 15:45:28 Rain again Oct 15 15:45:29 so the question is irrelevant to your general line of questioning Oct 15 15:45:44 * Houndish (~Houndish@jjlr-04-907-443-60.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 15:45:44 i think you are driving toward a platform again so remember my comments are my own Oct 15 15:45:51 i'd like to see a society in which trolls stayed under their bridges Oct 15 15:45:54 and do not represent what ows stands for Oct 15 15:46:03 lol humanmichael Oct 15 15:46:09 well michael how do you propose to reach a consensus when there are millions all around the globe ? Oct 15 15:46:13 personally I'd like to see improved communication the the goverment and the people Oct 15 15:46:17 INTERNET CHANGES EVERYTHING Oct 15 15:46:30 through education and democracy Oct 15 15:46:36 the people must have as much access and have as much weight in policy desitions as various interests are Oct 15 15:46:37 ask people what they want Oct 15 15:46:46 teach them about the issues Oct 15 15:46:50 ask them what they want again Oct 15 15:46:53 the citizens communication must be at pairty of those with special interests Oct 15 15:46:58 address objections Oct 15 15:47:07 ask them what they want again Oct 15 15:47:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #occupyboston http://t.co/zw3FkeRc - http://twitter.com/phoenXflight/statuses/125296278522429440 Oct 15 15:47:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @ACLU_Mass: Leading the march is Vets for Peace. #15o #occupyboston http://t.co/BEp4mI4M - http://twitter.com/Chestnut3499/statuses/125296467534561281 Oct 15 15:47:33 if we can simply do that, I think OWS would be successful Oct 15 15:47:50 education is the only way to have a worldwide democracy and worldwide peace Oct 15 15:47:58 * Tracy_camp has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 15:48:10 once you create solid lines of communication where the goverment is beholden to the people Oct 15 15:48:24 and will listen to thier needs and weigh them fairly Oct 15 15:48:34 we can then move into talking about how to fix the rest of this mess Oct 15 15:48:38 people need to understand the issues, understand their options, understand the consequences of each option Oct 15 15:48:43 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @OBLogistics: We're setting up a bike generator charging station! Rejoice! You won't have to sit around at South Station anymore! #ex ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125296078093422592 Oct 15 15:48:49 and people need to each have a say in their own lives Oct 15 15:49:22 which reminds me, I had an idea Oct 15 15:49:27 something people in the camp can do Oct 15 15:49:43 if we could somehow get everyone in the camp to write 1 letter a day Oct 15 15:49:51 to a thier representatiies Oct 15 15:49:58 in state and federal goverment Oct 15 15:50:08 * OccupyBoston925 (~OccupyBos@w-92-254-617-75.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 15:50:09 start forcing that flow of communication onto them Oct 15 15:50:16 i know clasically its circle binned Oct 15 15:50:18 alright jmagly and all Oct 15 15:50:24 but send them anyway and be public about it Oct 15 15:50:25 i have a simple task for you Oct 15 15:50:32 LOL lay it on us Oct 15 15:50:44 which would show how ineffectual your system is Oct 15 15:50:47 i am heading out Oct 15 15:50:56 that's not a task Oct 15 15:51:02 i will be back around 10 Oct 15 15:51:04 lol i love how the trolls cant even keep up the illusion Oct 15 15:51:13 it only can go for so long Oct 15 15:51:16 i want you all to reach consensus on 10 points Oct 15 15:51:19 737 what you fail to understand Oct 15 15:51:23 your system is so [ineffective] Oct 15 15:51:28 a lot of us are professional trolls on the internet Oct 15 15:51:28 and email me at alphatogamma@gmail.com Oct 15 15:51:31 it is very slow Oct 15 15:51:31 generally, i have trouble taking seriously those who create words Oct 15 15:51:32 in far more mundane manners Oct 15 15:51:38 if you succeed i will join Oct 15 15:51:43 if not it is a waste of time Oct 15 15:51:46 here we are being real, and we can spot a troll Oct 15 15:51:47 thanks and good luck Oct 15 15:51:57 l8 737 Oct 15 15:52:09 737 is a troll all agreed say yeah Oct 15 15:52:28 hes a troll but a useful one Oct 15 15:52:34 OK consensus: pollution is generally bad, justice is good, 737 was trolling, the consitution is pretty sweet Oct 15 15:52:47 mk_home yeah Oct 15 15:52:47 motion for all those things Oct 15 15:53:00 lol Oct 15 15:53:11 yarrr! Oct 15 15:53:24 We might even be able to get "end the fed" with the right sub-groups Oct 15 15:53:41 trolls that challenge the message but don't cross the line into flaming should be engaged Oct 15 15:53:52 they make good devils advocates, make you think and test you Oct 15 15:54:23 agreed! I ventured into a pro-second amendment board where i lurk a little bit. I posted about occupy and got a lot of questions Oct 15 15:54:24 if they move into outright insults, flaming, spamming, etc then you kick them Oct 15 15:54:59 i would imagine there might be Oct 15 15:55:13 and you know you just have to look past the tone a little sometimes Oct 15 15:55:20 you have to see it from thier point of view Oct 15 15:55:25 yeah not everyone was respectful. There was a lot of "you're idealistic and once you work for 20 years you will accept the status quo" Oct 15 15:55:34 if you can you are better equiped to bring them around to yours Oct 15 15:55:59 well and that statment MK is very telling Oct 15 15:56:11 because that is a product of the excat thing we are standing against Oct 15 15:56:16 "Are you a student?" and "Do you have a job?" are also common when I "come out" to people Oct 15 15:56:22 hehe exactly! Oct 15 15:56:22 they dont realize it because they have been in the "matrix" for far to long Oct 15 15:56:46 I also like to drop "It's not a protest its a conversation... and you are now part of it" Oct 15 15:56:47 but you cant dismiss them and you cant ingore them Oct 15 15:56:50 you need them Oct 15 15:56:59 you need them to see this is about thier kids and grandkids Oct 15 15:57:16 yeah I like that one MK Oct 15 15:57:31 "forced teaming" Oct 15 15:57:37 people should not be beat into a system Oct 15 15:57:37 * OccupyBoston765 (~OccupyBos@22-41-75-77.pools.static.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 15:57:50 you should not be standing around in your 40s with a broken will because of the system Oct 15 15:57:56 its completely unneccassary Oct 15 15:58:11 AFK a few Oct 15 15:58:17 * OccupyBoston765 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 15:58:22 MK|home|AFK Oct 15 15:58:41 * MK_home is now known as MK|Home|AFK Oct 15 15:58:42 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Student march is starting now #occupyboston. We will be streaming live as soon at we can http://t.co/67vdsZ5e Join us. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125297953660346368 Oct 15 15:58:46 I'm such a noob sometimes Oct 15 15:59:06 i understand thats what has always been, and I respect those that feel others should deal with it too but its not the only way, the older generation can help us all break from the chains we still carry Oct 15 15:59:37 * OccupyBoston285 (~OccupyBos@765.sub-145-220-151.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 15:59:42 * OccupyBoston69420 (~OccupyBos@pmyo66-808-812.bbn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 15:59:58 welcome, convo just died Oct 15 16:00:04 at least for a bit Oct 15 16:00:11 im hanging out though :) Oct 15 16:00:20 * Tracy_camp (~yaaic@576-049-640-041.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 16:00:26 wb tracy Oct 15 16:00:33 Hi Oct 15 16:00:35 * ywwg has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) Oct 15 16:00:57 * Tracy_camp has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 16:00:58 * OccupyWorcester2 (~OccupyWor@34-849-864-919.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 16:01:06 * OccupyBoston69420 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 16:01:09 * OccupyBoston69420 (~OccupyBos@pmyo66-808-812.bbn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 16:01:23 * OccupyBoston69420 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 16:01:26 * OccupyBoston69420 (~OccupyBos@pmyo66-808-812.bbn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 16:01:34 * OccupyWorcester has quit (Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by OccupyWorcester2!~OccupyWor@34-849-864-919.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com))) Oct 15 16:01:40 * OccupyWorcester2 is now known as OccupyWorcester Oct 15 16:01:58 Sorry, left X Chat on my workstation. Oct 15 16:02:05 lol Oct 15 16:02:06 np Oct 15 16:02:22 need more proper geeks in here ;-) Oct 15 16:02:32 hello Oct 15 16:02:39 hello 285 Oct 15 16:02:40 squee only 1 more hour at work. then 3 whole hours to myself before job #2 Oct 15 16:02:57 ugg i know how you feel Oct 15 16:03:17 Anyone from OB Media, this is a great pic: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/312860_10150325139126024_720371023_8160587_302338723_n.jpg Oct 15 16:03:21 * OccupyBoston925 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 16:03:29 i have to do some real work here soon too, i am fortnate in that I can at least work my 2nd job flex time Oct 15 16:03:42 oh nice Oct 15 16:03:52 thats awesome OW Oct 15 16:03:59 well its nice sometimes Oct 15 16:04:01 my second job is easy. i am a crowd manager at a bar on boylston Oct 15 16:04:07 I have to average about 90 hrs a week right now Oct 15 16:04:11 to pay my property taxes Oct 15 16:04:13 * leftyfb__ (~leftyfb@cbiisz-949-965-466-030.mycingular.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 16:04:18 among other bills Oct 15 16:04:21 People marched and turned out in the rain. I'm amazed at the how people are really coming together. Oct 15 16:04:29 * leftyfb__ has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 16:04:32 so it just means I get to move what little downtime I have around so I can be a night owl Oct 15 16:05:11 and lately my downtime i use for sleep is used for going out to the camp, or running around online working on various things for this whole mess Oct 15 16:05:31 but its been fun Oct 15 16:05:39 and stressful and tiring Oct 15 16:05:57 i haven't been able to spend much time at camp. i only get 5 hours of sleep max a night as it is Oct 15 16:06:12 thats if i get to bed as soon as i arrive home from work Oct 15 16:06:12 i try to go out every other night and hang for a bit Oct 15 16:06:26 planning on going tonight Oct 15 16:06:34 i like the post 11pm hour Oct 15 16:06:58 i'll be down tomorrow for a bit. im meeting with some people from socialist alternative Oct 15 16:07:24 * leftyfb_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 15 16:07:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @OccupyBOS_Media: March is leaving, some police around in riot gear. White Haus Family Record on the guitar at Dewey. #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/cardboardfetus/statuses/125301509180231680 Oct 15 16:07:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @790FM: @Occupy_Boston around 20 special ops BPD w/ zip ties at faniuel hall right now #occupyboston #ows - http://twitter.com/nika7k/statuses/125301627031793664 Oct 15 16:07:33 ohh that reminds me, meetings and such, anyone here intrested in the finance working group? Oct 15 16:07:47 * OccupyBoston285 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 16:07:58 if you are send me a private message with your email Oct 15 16:08:00 * Raiden (~Hunterkll@qficxqe-lfk-21-564-548-634.zoominternet.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 16:08:38 hi raiden Oct 15 16:09:02 i have no special skills Oct 15 16:09:03 * Hunterkll has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 15 16:09:03 * Raiden is now known as Hunterkll Oct 15 16:09:21 * OccupyBoston003 (~OccupyBos@05.954.16.412.cfl.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 16:09:23 haha well, professional skills Oct 15 16:09:33 * OccupyBoston003 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 16:09:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @790FM: @Occupy_Boston around 20 special ops BPD w/ zip ties at faniuel hall right now - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125301544886341632 Oct 15 16:09:47 that does not matter IMO Oct 15 16:10:02 I just got access to the wiki and I was asked to help get finance going Oct 15 16:10:16 personally I feel if you have an opnion and are interested then join in Oct 15 16:10:17 i am terrible with finances Oct 15 16:10:31 if you feel you lack knowledge I think we can likely educate a willing person Oct 15 16:10:33 and i hate money Oct 15 16:10:47 i say we just barter for everything Oct 15 16:10:52 haha Oct 15 16:10:55 * OccupyBoston798 (~OccupyBos@w-92-254-617-75.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 16:10:58 logsictically impossible sadly Oct 15 16:11:07 its time to seize the means of production :P Oct 15 16:11:25 maybe when we have matter to energy converters Oct 15 16:11:29 problem is Oct 15 16:11:33 even among individuals Oct 15 16:11:37 you still need money Oct 15 16:11:54 batering would be very wasteful for a lot of things Oct 15 16:12:00 though does work well for some things Oct 15 16:12:07 * axb21 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 15 16:12:26 * hosap (~hosap@otkk-67-88-832-993.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 16:13:07 hail citizens Oct 15 16:13:19 hail hosap! Oct 15 16:13:41 to what do we owe the pleasure of your presence dear sir Oct 15 16:13:41 whta's been happening in boston? Oct 15 16:13:57 Cop KO's a woman http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vxZ8_JdKm0Q Oct 15 16:13:58 not sure, its been calm as far as I know Oct 15 16:14:05 good Oct 15 16:14:13 sounds like they had a really good GA last night Oct 15 16:14:19 finally lol Oct 15 16:14:54 jmag presence here due to the liberation of the human race Oct 15 16:15:06 not a woman houndish but still bad nontheless Oct 15 16:15:32 hehe didnt mean it like that, just being a geek ;-) Oct 15 16:15:34 welcome! Oct 15 16:16:04 folks here heard about bank arrests in ny? Oct 15 16:16:12 that wasnt a woman? lol Oct 15 16:16:19 no it was a guy with long hair Oct 15 16:16:19 * axb21 (~abucci@uvag-10-205-262-745.lv.lv.cox.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 16:16:26 what kind of man wears a lime green shirt Oct 15 16:16:29 huge threads about it in social media space Oct 15 16:16:42 apperently you have not been to the east village Oct 15 16:17:17 seems events around the world have been overall peaceful Oct 15 16:17:40 well except for ROme Oct 15 16:17:42 they went apeshit Oct 15 16:17:43 for the most part, it seems the violent actions are happening in the coutries with the most violent and opressive govements Oct 15 16:17:50 hound yes Oct 15 16:17:59 which as much as we would like to think it sometimes the US is not THAT bad thankfully Oct 15 16:18:10 SOME of the peeps got violent Oct 15 16:18:10 lets hope movements like OWS keep it from going there Oct 15 16:18:25 well rome man Oct 15 16:18:35 thats a tough situation Oct 15 16:18:50 italy is in a hard spot and rome in particalar has a lot of extra special unrest Oct 15 16:18:52 violence is never the answer Oct 15 16:19:01 i didnt say it was Oct 15 16:19:19 judging by various chat rooms, vast majority are for nonviolence Oct 15 16:19:29 VAST Oct 15 16:19:29 but theres a difference betwen a pot at a rolling boil or simmer which are the more peaceful movements and the explosion when a pot boils over Oct 15 16:19:34 places like egypt Oct 15 16:19:38 it doth boil over Oct 15 16:20:13 non-violence is the way Oct 15 16:20:22 in civilized society Oct 15 16:20:24 eruptions come from exceesive repression, after a while it can explode Oct 15 16:20:35 excatly, I wont condone it Oct 15 16:20:36 * OccupyBoston985 (~OccupyBos@j-90-19-643-646.hsd2.nh.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 16:20:41 but I can understand where its coming from Oct 15 16:21:08 Good afternoon Boston! Oct 15 16:21:13 allo 985 Oct 15 16:21:18 welcome! Oct 15 16:21:27 that's why it's good the movement has stated in so many places, peeps can let off steam by talking to each other Oct 15 16:21:41 hey 985 Oct 15 16:21:47 How are you all holding up? Oct 15 16:22:04 i have to say its been very nice, i was so tired of it being considered bad form to talk about the state of the world in anything than the most general terms Oct 15 16:22:11 * Caper (~Caper@d-57-43-576-75.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 16:22:15 * OccupyBoston798 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 16:22:19 * OccupyBoston613 (~OccupyBos@w-92-254-617-75.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 16:22:27 i dont know if there are any campers on at the moment 985 Oct 15 16:22:46 they dont have as easy access to the internet Oct 15 16:22:52 R u in the media tent? Oct 15 16:22:54 and generally are busy Oct 15 16:22:59 no im at home Oct 15 16:23:11 but im hanging out here to chat Oct 15 16:23:27 and keep the trolls at bay Oct 15 16:23:34 Alright that is great! That is all I have been able to do Oct 15 16:23:37 * Caper has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 16:23:38 * jmagly is a profesionall troll tamer Oct 15 16:23:41 * OccupyBoston717 (~OccupyBos@i79-48-903-418.kgldga.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 16:23:43 lol Oct 15 16:23:56 jmag system had atomized peeps into isolation, so that each thought it was only themselves who was unhappy with the way things were Oct 15 16:24:43 im watching the NYC live feed and its looking good Oct 15 16:24:49 for sure, we also as a culture, in the US at least made it inappropriate to talk about the state of the world in friendly or polite settings Oct 15 16:24:51 there are tens of thousands marching Oct 15 16:25:01 remeber dont talk about politics or religion Oct 15 16:25:02 717 big march in ny at 5 Oct 15 16:25:07 so frustrating Oct 15 16:25:15 So much happening every where today. Oct 15 16:25:30 yeah couple marches around here too Oct 15 16:25:34 jmag you officially moderating? Oct 15 16:25:38 lol no Oct 15 16:25:46 Why should we not talk about politics or religion? Oct 15 16:25:49 but I likely sound and act like I might be Oct 15 16:25:59 excatly 985 Oct 15 16:26:05 why shouldnt we? Oct 15 16:26:15 you're just a good person then :) willing to be a biily goat gruff :) Oct 15 16:26:39 lol I am a billygoat gruff its my nature, I just try and direct it in a useful manner Oct 15 16:26:50 thanks btw :) Oct 15 16:27:00 That is what it comes down to the failed political policies. Oct 15 16:27:12 * OccupyBoston488 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 16:27:17 How is the feed from NYC? Oct 15 16:27:20 you know what would be interesting Oct 15 16:27:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Potential undercover #4 #occupyboston http://t.co/AuBZe6wa - http://twitter.com/Lockean/statuses/125306660397912065 Oct 15 16:27:28 to research where that old saying came from Oct 15 16:27:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] At #OccupyBoston. Seems like a movement to me... http://t.co/6hngJ9Co http://t.co/qWXfuu0k - http://twitter.com/Abhishek_Raman/statuses/125306671638654978 Oct 15 16:27:42 $10 says it was started by a plotician or a priest Oct 15 16:27:44 or both Oct 15 16:27:50 polotician Oct 15 16:27:57 dammit I cannot spell for beans Oct 15 16:28:20 Do not worry about it, it is not about the spelling it is the meaning. Oct 15 16:28:26 ty Oct 15 16:28:31 jmag don't sweat the spelling content over form :) Oct 15 16:29:01 im used to chans with more grammar and spelling nazi's Oct 15 16:29:06 985 same thing expressed in different words lol Oct 15 16:29:10 i speak computer far better than english Oct 15 16:29:12 Has anyone been in Boston lately? Oct 15 16:29:25 i was ther night before last Oct 15 16:29:26 * OccupyBoston885 (~OccupyBos@yjsc-8-41-r6-86-p8-j7.cpe.townisp.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 16:29:31 going again tonight Oct 15 16:29:38 jmag am surprised by how many really take care to correct spelling Oct 15 16:29:47 * OccupyBoston885 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 16:30:17 Great I am thinking about going in the morning, but it does not look like much is going on during the day Oct 15 16:30:32 well theres always something going on Oct 15 16:30:47 i mean do you mean walking around carrying signs and such Oct 15 16:30:53 Cool. What are the GA's like Oct 15 16:30:53 because theres other stuff too Oct 15 16:31:02 there are working groups, and lots of disucssions Oct 15 16:31:16 i havent been because they were still working out how to run them Oct 15 16:31:26 * OccupyBoston613 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 16:31:26 I know looks like there is a lot for the kids tomorrow Oct 15 16:31:29 but I hear they had a really good issue based one last night Oct 15 16:31:47 if you want to particapte just go down Oct 15 16:31:48 jmag good news Oct 15 16:31:49 How many attend the GA? Oct 15 16:31:56 * OccupyBoston468 (~OccupyBos@awqw-47-155-272-600.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 16:32:01 at any time there is good stuff to talk about and someone always needs a hand Oct 15 16:32:17 i hear that the population doubles or triples during GA Oct 15 16:32:24 theres about 150-200 on site normally Oct 15 16:32:40 take baths you dirty maggots Oct 15 16:32:44 * axb21 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 15 16:32:45 Nice, good information! Can anyone speak at the GA? Oct 15 16:32:53 * axb21 (~abucci@uvag-10-205-262-745.lv.lv.cox.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 16:32:53 lol, bring them some hot water and big tub Oct 15 16:32:58 I bet they would take a bath Oct 15 16:33:14 group bath! :) Oct 15 16:33:19 everyone gets cleaned up when they can Oct 15 16:33:26 i havent run into may "stinkers" Oct 15 16:33:31 *many Oct 15 16:33:58 the women will need to douche with lysol Oct 15 16:33:59 regards being dirty: again, content over form :) Oct 15 16:34:00 theres lots of hand sanatizer so people stay clean where it is most important Oct 15 16:34:24 I dunno, most of the women are getting showers/baths at least once a week Oct 15 16:34:29 Hey 468 r u for real? Oct 15 16:34:35 I think you have to go 2 weeks before things really ferment enough for lysol Oct 15 16:34:57 dont sweat it 985 Oct 15 16:35:00 lol Oct 15 16:35:12 I need to speak to someone with Occupy Boston logistics. Oct 15 16:35:13 985 I am unlike the maggots infesting dewey square Oct 15 16:35:19 jmag pun intended? :) Oct 15 16:35:36 * OccupyBoston238 (~OccupyBos@w-01-94-961-91.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 16:35:40 and thats your ticket IMO, can we please have an IP ban/kcik for 468? Oct 15 16:35:47 468 yoou're not human? Oct 15 16:36:01 468 y dont you support them Oct 15 16:36:04 * OccupyBoston238 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 16:36:08 I am very much human Oct 15 16:36:25 so sre the people in boston Oct 15 16:36:27 * OccupyBoston69420 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 16:36:42 straight up inflammotry insults are unneccassary, if you have a legiimate point you are welcome to state your case Oct 15 16:36:49 maybe 468 needs to go Oct 15 16:37:00 * OccupyBoston409 (~OccupyBos@w-01-94-961-91.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 16:37:02 hey hummike Oct 15 16:37:06 hi hosap Oct 15 16:37:22 I am also an employed productive member of society unlike the wad wastes infesting Dewey Square Oct 15 16:37:29 468 hasn't gotten to out of hand Oct 15 16:37:38 So has anyone come up with a plan or message to unite the cities? Oct 15 16:37:45 468, what is your purpose here? Oct 15 16:37:47 id say only about 1/2 of the camp are fully unemployeed people at the moment Oct 15 16:38:04 the other 1/2 is part time and fully employeed people and they are supported by fully employeed people like myself Oct 15 16:38:05 there aren't enough jobs for everybody, 468 Oct 15 16:38:21 i think the purpose is clear Oct 15 16:38:22 that's part of the problem Oct 15 16:38:26 dont let him stir the pot Oct 15 16:38:27 watching the livestream...are people being arrested now??? Oct 15 16:38:35 [Occupy Boston] Mass. Governor Deval Patrick Stopped by this Morning - http://occupyboston.com/2011/10/15/mass-governor-deval-patrick-stopped-by-this-morning/ Oct 15 16:38:37 where 409? link Oct 15 16:38:42 they finally answered the stake question. both are needed haha Oct 15 16:38:49 At Dewey Sq Oct 15 16:38:57 * OccupyBoston288 (~OccupyBos@204.45.ops.wur) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 16:39:01 the infestors of of Dewey Square are legitimate reasons for women to have abortions Oct 15 16:39:03 excllent, thank you I will clean out the local store of all tent stakes I can find then Oct 15 16:39:03 That feed is from the 11th Oct 15 16:39:13 see folks Oct 15 16:39:14 409 not live Oct 15 16:39:14 oh ok thanks 985 Oct 15 16:39:15 now 468 Oct 15 16:39:20 is the example of a useless troll Oct 15 16:39:24 yw Oct 15 16:39:31 468 cannot come up with an acutal argument or point Oct 15 16:39:42 and does not wish to engage in inteilgent even baited disucassion Oct 15 16:39:48 yeah 468....are you really so brave to hide behind a computer? Come down to Dewey Oct 15 16:39:55 because he cannot back up his assertions quckily enough in an inernet chat room Oct 15 16:40:03 IF ANYONE FROM OB CAN PLEASE CONTACT ME, WORCESTER REALLY NEEDS HELP. I HAVE BEEN CONTACTING DIFFERENT PEOPLE, BUT I AM NOT SURE IF MEDIA IS GETTING OUR REQUESTS. Oct 15 16:40:09 so he falls back on insults because he wants a rise out of people Oct 15 16:40:09 So is there anyone person in charge in Boston? Oct 15 16:40:16 The rally ROCKED this afternoon. Oct 15 16:40:24 * OccupyBoston717 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 16:40:32 985 just go down...plenty of dedicated, organized people Oct 15 16:40:36 409 were you there Oct 15 16:40:36 no, 985 Oct 15 16:40:36 * Houndish has quit () Oct 15 16:40:39 what is going on Occupy Worscester? Oct 15 16:40:41 its a democracy Oct 15 16:40:41 409 what do you look like. I will bring some lysol to disinfect you Oct 15 16:40:49 worcester think media tent is empty at present Oct 15 16:41:11 the next step od the useless troll is to attack other people in the chat room that just joined in Oct 15 16:41:25 as the established players have already presented themselvs as generally unassilaible Oct 15 16:41:29 Hey all....meet at the Spirituality Tent on Tuesday 10/18 @ 5pm for a Tibetan Buddhist compassion meditation/chant Oct 15 16:41:31 468, for somebody who claims to be a productive member of society, you have a lot of free time to spend in a chatroom fucking with strangers Oct 15 16:41:35 * OccupyBoston290 (~OccupyBos@093-517-15-53.c9-5.lex-ubr8.sbo-lex.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 16:41:49 * OccupyBoston290 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 16:41:54 womp womp Oct 15 16:42:00 lol Oct 15 16:42:13 Hey 468 just a reminder but your ip address is available Oct 15 16:42:14 * oddalot has quit () Oct 15 16:42:27 468 just to be fai Oct 15 16:42:28 fair Oct 15 16:42:30 The people here are mentioning becoming a logistics group for OB. I have been told that this is not asked, and we should focus on the movement here. I have been trying to get in touch with someone to make an announcement/statement/something to that effect, so our voices can be heard here and the people will be comfortable knowing Boston is in solidarity with us. Oct 15 16:42:38 you are talking to a /b/ oldfag Oct 15 16:42:42 i know how this game goes Oct 15 16:42:48 been doing it for a loooooonnnng time Oct 15 16:42:55 you're all a bunch of dyptera brachyceran larvae! and youre odoriferous at that! so nya Oct 15 16:43:01 lolol Oct 15 16:43:19 bugs are always good fallbacks I have to give him points there Oct 15 16:43:24 normally they just go into racial slurs Oct 15 16:43:31 Hey Worcester how many people are there? Oct 15 16:43:33 or epitithets about lineage Oct 15 16:43:43 worcester can't speak for peeps on the ground, but have to think boston will be in solidarity with you Oct 15 16:44:20 most peeps are on the ground. i speak for those in the air. specifically, the united blimp dwellers association. we support you Oct 15 16:44:23 no need to go into racial epithets or racial slurs, you are all equally worthless Oct 15 16:44:45 aww isint that cute, a general blanket insult Oct 15 16:44:51 you must be very low on material now Oct 15 16:44:57 that didnt take long Oct 15 16:45:03 a persons worth is determined by how s/he touches the lives of others Oct 15 16:45:04 hmmm 468...and you're wasting your precious time on the "worthless?" Oct 15 16:45:10 @OccupyBoston985 I'm not at the GA, numbers I'm getting are around 200. Still not clear. Oct 15 16:45:24 could someone pls kick 468 Oct 15 16:45:31 i dont think any mods are live Oct 15 16:45:38 If we're worthless....what does that make you? A voyeur of the worthless?? Oct 15 16:45:40 shucks Oct 15 16:45:41 ok nice chatting and thanks for the info. Oct 15 16:45:47 bye 985 Oct 15 16:45:53 well that would jive well 409 Oct 15 16:45:54 Hope to be there soon Oct 15 16:45:57 468 thinks humans are "worthless"- clearly delusional Oct 15 16:46:04 its very popular for the blinded to love things like jersey shore Oct 15 16:46:05 yes clearly hosap Oct 15 16:46:12 * OccupyBoston985 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 16:46:14 lol@jmagly Oct 15 16:46:15 i just got a strong craving for peanut butter and celery Oct 15 16:46:15 People here are looking for Boston for guidance. Some still don't understand the movement. We have to get people on the same page but, at the same time, get the Media from OB working on...SOMETHING...we can take to our GAs. Oct 15 16:46:19 so for someone so myopic this must be a kind of version of that Oct 15 16:46:32 * chrissy (~chrissy@j-14-20-65-639.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 16:47:15 OW so are you there now? Oct 15 16:47:20 OccupyWOrcester....dont look to Boston for guidance. Follow the framework of all the "Occupy" movements and craft it to fit your local needs and talnet Oct 15 16:47:23 is there a camp becaus I thought it was jsut a march? Oct 15 16:47:23 It won't be long before you turds get stomped by the Boston PD Oct 15 16:47:24 talnet Oct 15 16:47:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @OccupyBOS_Media: #occupyboston loves this tent!!! @Occupy_Boston http://t.co/zhOVFj5w - http://twitter.com/Rakemi/statuses/125311613342453760 Oct 15 16:47:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @arielshearer: Current #occupyboston protest just stopped outside emerson college for ten mins shouting to students to join - http://twitter.com/havalahgrace/statuses/125311667302182913 Oct 15 16:47:27 worcester again a guess, someone from media will be here before day's over Oct 15 16:47:36 oh 468 you are such a bore Oct 15 16:47:45 468 a raid by BPD is likely at some point Oct 15 16:47:47 you are correct Oct 15 16:47:49 We are building solidly in the name of the people, to make sure their voices are heard, and to know that others in our state stand in solidarity with us. That is where the people seem to be at. Oct 15 16:47:57 honestly though, it wont help much Oct 15 16:48:09 No, I'm not there, but I'm in constant contact with different people on the ground getting info. Oct 15 16:48:14 police stomping heads actually helps the movement Oct 15 16:48:20 Do you guys have a police radio so you'll have some sort of heads up? Oct 15 16:48:23 The Veterans for Peace Rally was mind blowing this afternoon....the BPD was dumbfounded Oct 15 16:48:43 Worcester is very, very organized. We just need more people involved, and we're getting communications up and running. Oct 15 16:48:47 raiding a camp of protesters is not something they can just surpise people with Oct 15 16:48:50 Veterans for Peace lol Oct 15 16:48:55 you normally see it coming for at least a day Oct 15 16:49:03 worcester- this human being is in solidarity with you now and always Oct 15 16:49:11 How so? Oct 15 16:49:13 same here OW! Oct 15 16:49:23 Yes 468....Veterans for Peace. You think that's humorous, as you hide behind your computer? Oct 15 16:49:23 because protesters dont live in a bubble for one Oct 15 16:49:26 @OccupyBoston409 We are. We are slowly getting there. But people must know that Boston stands with us, because different people talk about different things. Oct 15 16:49:27 they get information Oct 15 16:49:35 468 is probably a stinky kid in a dirty undershirt sitting in a pile of dorito crumbs while reruns of charmed play quietly in the background Oct 15 16:49:37 yup Oct 15 16:49:38 and for 2 mobolizing so many police takes time Oct 15 16:49:42 and does not go unnotticed Oct 15 16:49:42 @hosap We thank you! Oct 15 16:49:57 how did you know Oct 15 16:50:07 michael Oct 15 16:50:09 Who knows better about the impact of war than veterans? Other than corporations, I mean Oct 15 16:50:09 occupyworcester - seconded Oct 15 16:50:11 please refrain from the insults Oct 15 16:50:14 unneccassary Oct 15 16:50:17 * OccupyBostonTom (~OccupyBos@g-34-33-75-507.hsd2.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 16:50:26 really? Oct 15 16:50:26 468 is doing just fine on his own Oct 15 16:50:31 OW -- the entire Occupy movement stands with you. Oct 15 16:50:35 i deserve a bit of fun myself Oct 15 16:50:39 wjmag lol Oct 15 16:50:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: One working group has reported that riot police have been summoned to the march. Cannot confirm or deny but thought it important to mention. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125310779636465664 Oct 15 16:50:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @MrsDeTellis: @Occupy_Boston @sassysongstress riot gear police is surrounding the march- NO ARREST AT THIS TIME http://t.co/2JSC8YSi - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125312428119564289 Oct 15 16:50:44 Have any of you seen Wall Street? Oct 15 16:50:49 its waht the troll wants Oct 15 16:50:54 don't forget Twinke crumbs Oct 15 16:50:55 you dont feed them what they want Oct 15 16:50:58 Thanks Cripus Oct 15 16:51:06 @OccupyBoston409 Boston is local to Worcester. There is a bond there. People want to feel that they are helping, and Boston was there first. Some people aren't seeing the need to build locally, but help Boston. Oct 15 16:51:06 i can feed a troll if i promise to clean up after him, can't i? Oct 15 16:51:11 the place, the movement or the movie? Oct 15 16:51:22 chrissy was on earlier when the arrests at the citibank were going down Oct 15 16:51:30 lol Oct 15 16:51:32 well maybe Oct 15 16:51:39 if you keep him in his corner Oct 15 16:51:47 and you have to take him out 2x a day to insult hippies Oct 15 16:51:50 @ OccupyWorcester...yes we're local, but Worc is a big city with it's own problems. Act locally, think regionally and globally!! Oct 15 16:51:53 otherwise he becomes depressed Oct 15 16:52:23 @OccupyBoston409 EXACTLY! However, we need people to understand that. Boston needs to say it because, again, people are looking to Boston. Oct 15 16:52:32 take good care of your troll and he will give you hilarious cognative dissonance for years to come Oct 15 16:52:43 worcester stay open to all possibilites- stay fluid for fluid situations Oct 15 16:52:44 We have to remind them of Worcester, it's problems, and what the local effect of the movement can be. Not just in Boston, but here in all of Worcester County. Oct 15 16:53:07 lol jmag Oct 15 16:53:27 OW there are no leaders in OWS you have to stand for yourself as a group, and speak up, the template is there Oct 15 16:53:28 @Worcester....TELL them, man! You have the power to mobilize locally! YOU! Just as Boston followed NY's example, but defined it's own agenda, resources, etc. Oct 15 16:53:35 Riot police summoned to march? Stand by maggots. Here comes your wood shampoo with the concrete rinse Oct 15 16:53:42 if you need supplies, websites, email, communications etc Oct 15 16:53:49 we can talk about specifi needs Oct 15 16:53:49 Any reason why these riot police would be showing up now? Oct 15 16:53:55 but you need to figure out WHAT you need Oct 15 16:54:07 there is no reason at the moment Oct 15 16:54:16 I doubt there will be police action on a weekend Oct 15 16:54:21 I also encourage anyone going to Dewey to bring supplies....bottled water, prepared food, tarps, rain gear, socks....desperately needed Oct 15 16:54:23 468 thinks it's night in boston Oct 15 16:54:27 unless something bad happens Oct 15 16:54:43 468 is operating in a Lithium haze, methinks Oct 15 16:54:46 Over and over, logistics for Boston has been brought up on our Facebook, in our GAs...I have tried to spread the understanding of solidarity and local building. I think the Boston community must official state as such, so that Worcester will feel comfortable using it's resources locally but in connection with Boston. Oct 15 16:54:48 Yes Chrissy you maggots have infested Dewey Suare for too long Oct 15 16:54:50 mmm lithium Oct 15 16:55:01 * jmagly drolls like homer for a fresh dounut Oct 15 16:55:04 ;-) Oct 15 16:55:26 @OW....maybe check with the logistics team in Boston...they might be able to direct you Oct 15 16:55:44 wow we are now back to the maggots Oct 15 16:55:48 No - just huffing aerosol fumes - awesome Oct 15 16:55:49 I've been trying. Tweeted our a bit Oct 15 16:55:52 lol love the troll action up in here right now, keeping things light <3 :) Oct 15 16:55:54 468 would you likee some more matieral to use? Oct 15 16:56:06 i have a couple websites I could suggest for a broader range of insults Oct 15 16:56:12 i mean just to punch it up some Oct 15 16:56:16 keep the audiance interested Oct 15 16:56:21 no Oct 15 16:56:28 you reuse the same stuff and it just gets ignored easier Oct 15 16:56:32 I'd suggest 468 look in a mirror if he needs a catalyst for his puerile ire Oct 15 16:56:36 you have to broaden your horizons Oct 15 16:56:55 * Occupy (~Occupy@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 16:56:58 its ok 409, let him chase his windmills Oct 15 16:57:05 Ignore 468 all...keeping us from the purpose of this chat Oct 15 16:57:20 What is the purpose of the chat? Oct 15 16:57:24 OW....have you been to the boston GA? Oct 15 16:57:30 what would you like it to be Tom? Oct 15 16:57:35 we can change topics anytime Oct 15 16:57:39 I'm just listening for now. Oct 15 16:57:46 k Oct 15 16:57:48 hope you all are enjoying what will be the highlight of your worthless lives Oct 15 16:57:59 Yeah, I have! Worcester is adapting Boston's model of things to work in our community. Oct 15 16:58:02 OW -- perhaps Worcester is not just ready to Occupy Oct 15 16:58:26 Occupation is a tactic, and it is being given much discussion. The GA has not reached concensus. Oct 15 16:58:28 so OW what does the group need Oct 15 16:58:28 OW do you have an encampment a la Dewey Square? Oct 15 16:58:45 or how about Oct 15 16:58:49 lets start wih what you have Oct 15 16:58:52 they need a bath Oct 15 16:58:52 409 is right Oct 15 16:59:01 tom purpose of chat is to support those on the ground and share with them & chatters Oct 15 16:59:06 @jmagly I've been talking about exactly what Worcester needs. A statement of solidarity, saying they don't need Worcester to be a logistics group for OB, and to strengthen the movement in Worcester County. Oct 15 16:59:33 you automaitcally have it by taking up the OWS banner OW Oct 15 16:59:35 This is generally understood, but many don't understand because they have no heard from Boston. Oct 15 16:59:39 My brother showed up at OB today with a tent. He's a naive 18 year old with no political or social convictions but who thinks he's a hippie. I called him to see how it was going and he told me he was smoking grass with some friends. I obviously told him about the drug policy. Are you guys getting a lot of these kinds of kids showing up undermining the cause? Oct 15 16:59:46 OW...then DRAFT something and present it. Copy it and hand it out. You seem motivated and intelligent. YOU can do it! Oct 15 16:59:59 hosap, thanks. I'm trying to figure out whether or not I support the Occupy movement. Oct 15 17:00:08 OW remember you are your own people I know that might be hard to get because you live in a state that has been dictated by boston leadership for 200 years Oct 15 17:00:08 @jmagly You are not understanding me - this is not univerally understood in our community, and it has caused issues and questions - especially relating to the question of occupation. Oct 15 17:00:13 boston has always run the state Oct 15 17:00:18 worcester some communiteis, out of necessity, may have to adapt more fluid strategies and tactics Oct 15 17:00:21 that's what all of you are Oct 15 17:00:26 OW send out a call for volunteers....logistics, meals, public relations, spirituality, veterans associations, etc. Oct 15 17:00:30 but Boston is not you Oct 15 17:00:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Next women's caucus meeting Tuesday at 5:30. On the front 'stage' where GAs are facilitated from. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125314042431684608 Oct 15 17:00:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @maxpearl: @Occupy_Boston a bit scary but not appropriate to call this 'riot gear' when there's no shields / helmets / batons in the pic - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125314680808935424 Oct 15 17:00:51 * axb211 (~abucci@uvag-10-205-262-745.lv.lv.cox.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 17:00:52 But Boston is part of our local area. Worcester needs to hear from them. Oct 15 17:01:11 * axb21 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 15 17:01:39 thats not going to happen in short order OW Oct 15 17:01:41 Then bring a core group of OWers to Boston.....hear....take home....and use! Oct 15 17:01:52 Worcester has the power! Oct 15 17:02:10 WE HAVE BEEN TO BOSTON! That is what I'm saying! Oct 15 17:02:14 snow will be here soon enough then you will have to move back into your parent's basements Oct 15 17:02:15 worcester if you stay here long enough, perhaps someone will show up in the media tent Oct 15 17:02:16 But the people who haven't don't understand! Oct 15 17:02:18 and if you want to talk to the folks on the ground who are helping orgnaize things like the occupyboston.org website Oct 15 17:02:22 you need to be emailing them Oct 15 17:02:25 409 said it: OW...then DRAFT something and present it. Copy it and hand it out. You seem motivated and intelligent. YOU can do it! Oct 15 17:02:25 not in here talking to us Oct 15 17:02:40 I have gotten info on here before, but I guess no one is around today. Oct 15 17:02:41 Then OW....those who HAVE need to push the agenda. Oct 15 17:03:00 what is your agenda? Oct 15 17:03:00 Oh hey all...need to run. OW....fight the fight man! Oct 15 17:03:06 YOU can do it. Oct 15 17:03:07 YOU Oct 15 17:03:07 anyone claiming to speak for the movement OW is not telling you the trught Oct 15 17:03:15 * OccupyBoston409 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 17:03:17 409 c ya Oct 15 17:03:24 OB has no leaders Oct 15 17:03:27 neither does OWS Oct 15 17:03:28 lol i just realized i was on the news on tuesday http://www.thebostonchannel.com/video/29472187/detail.html Oct 15 17:03:34 washing dishies Oct 15 17:03:47 so if you have been here before and someone gave you an offical statement on anything other than simple facts Oct 15 17:03:47 And neither does OW. But we need some help in building the community here. Oct 15 17:03:52 they were likely misrepresenting Oct 15 17:03:52 Hey OW I know some worcester activists Oct 15 17:03:55 anyways, its time for me to leave job1. ill be back in here on monday, as thats the next time ill have computer access Oct 15 17:03:59 bye everybody Oct 15 17:04:06 remember, the world is watching Oct 15 17:04:09 * humanmichael has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 17:04:11 there's your glimmer of fame humanmichael Oct 15 17:04:14 ttyl Oct 15 17:04:21 bye now! Oct 15 17:04:28 OW, are you down with the go-go or the fire house kids or WOGAN? Oct 15 17:04:52 Nah. But I know most of 'em now. Just one of the 99% who got involved with the movement before the first GA. Oct 15 17:04:53 *kids not meant to be pejorative Oct 15 17:04:58 Hah, of course not. Oct 15 17:05:01 I wonder how the size of OB compares to Wall Street Oct 15 17:05:14 its still much smaller I think Oct 15 17:05:23 dont know actual numbers Oct 15 17:05:25 Yeah I would assume Oct 15 17:05:42 nowhere near the size of Wall Street Oct 15 17:05:48 Is OB growing, dwindling, or staying pretty much the same in numbers? Oct 15 17:05:49 OW is now a bunch of random different people, from go-go to public school teachers to average joes to older persons to college students. Slowing building. Oct 15 17:05:50 Are there chat rooms with other focuses? Oct 15 17:05:54 OW, you need to get down with those people. They have been activist for years and decades. Those are the networks to plug into Oct 15 17:05:57 its growing Oct 15 17:06:07 but its not just growing on the street Oct 15 17:06:07 We are "down" with them. Oct 15 17:06:12 its growing online Oct 15 17:06:15 They are part of the 99% and with us, helping. Oct 15 17:06:15 and in disucssions Oct 15 17:06:30 there are a lot of people talking to eachtoher, and you can do a lot of good spreading the word in your area Oct 15 17:06:39 Do you have plans for a physical ecampment? Oct 15 17:06:44 * axb21 (~abucci@uvag-10-205-262-745.lv.lv.cox.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 17:06:48 as a matter of fact it can be as imporant to do that as it is to camp Oct 15 17:06:49 OW can't wait for the beatdown Oct 15 17:06:57 part of occupy that makes it so powerful is a physical presence of some sort Oct 15 17:07:05 I agree Oct 15 17:07:19 As of the second GA, no consensus was reached on occupation. No information about it is available as of now, but discussion of goals and tactics is on the agenda for today. Oct 15 17:07:26 the physcal presence acts as an anchor for a much larger movement Oct 15 17:07:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Generally upset people protesting generally #occupyboston thanks @bpd for professional conduct ! http://t.co/pGOFDQj3 - http://twitter.com/hugovanvuuren/statuses/125316699141582849 Oct 15 17:07:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Thats pretty cool RT @ACLU_Mass Police filming head of march. #15o #occupyboston http://t.co/U2xBHIeY - http://twitter.com/anthonytulliani/statuses/125316717076426753 Oct 15 17:07:35 * axb211 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) Oct 15 17:07:44 How often are GAs held? Oct 15 17:07:48 * OccupyBostonTom (~OccupyBos@g-34-33-75-507.hsd2.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 15 17:08:02 Are there other meetings taking place? Are there defined working groups or affinity groups? Oct 15 17:08:08 Is there a lot of discussion about the banks? Oct 15 17:08:19 GAs are currently deciding that. We held two Sun/Mon, and one is in progress today. Today's date was voted on by the people last week. The people will decide when to hold the next GA. Oct 15 17:08:33 I want to come down to OB and camp out, but have heared of people steal stuff. Oct 15 17:08:38 hmm interesting Oct 15 17:08:39 decision by consensus - means you losers can't make decisions by yourself Oct 15 17:08:46 OW - Do you mind if I ask generally what your situation is? Student? working? unemployment? Oct 15 17:08:48 i wonder if that twitter from hugo Oct 15 17:08:56 i wonder if he was our smarter troll Oct 15 17:09:02 the timing would be about right Oct 15 17:09:06 heh troll468 individual decisions for 140 people arrested Oct 15 17:09:20 *individual decisions got 140 people arrested Oct 15 17:09:25 Myself? I am a student/worker in Worcester. Oct 15 17:09:42 How do people feel about some OB supporters covering their faces? Oct 15 17:09:46 Ok cool, just wondering. What school? I went to WPI. Oct 15 17:09:52 i think its silly a best Oct 15 17:10:01 288 its their right to try to preserve their anonymity online and IRL Oct 15 17:10:03 and looked down on at worst Oct 15 17:10:19 Formerly Clark, currently MWCC in Gardner. Hopefully transferring to WSU or WPI soon. Oct 15 17:10:20 but good luck in this day and age Oct 15 17:10:24 but as MK said, itis thier right Oct 15 17:10:47 @Occupy just don't bring any valuables Oct 15 17:11:13 yeah, thats a given, if the police do raid at some point they will likely trash a lot of stuff Oct 15 17:11:14 Chrissy - KANYE SHOWED UP WITH A GOLD NECKLACE! Oct 15 17:11:15 Iam looking to come down to OB and camp out, but I've heared about people stealing stuff. Oct 15 17:11:18 like they did to north camp Oct 15 17:11:28 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=cTdwcWZ1djhyc2NtNmMwNnUxNWFlYjZ2amMgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 15 17:11:32 sorry for caps Oct 15 17:11:36 i havent heard of theft, but you have to keep in mind Oct 15 17:11:36 mt wachusett CC to wpi sure you are Oct 15 17:11:39 the camp is open Oct 15 17:11:41 Kanye? Kanye West?! Oct 15 17:11:43 anyone can come in or out Oct 15 17:11:52 including boston's homeless Oct 15 17:11:58 yes just leave your valuables at home Oct 15 17:11:58 so just be aware Oct 15 17:12:07 WPI lets in lots of people. It also fails more people out than any other school in its market Oct 15 17:12:17 wpi and worcester state now there are two schools with equal academic reputations Oct 15 17:12:19 I have a 3.9 GPA and have gotten some of the highest grades in the fields of science and maths. Go ahead, question my intelligence. I am just doing what I have to do. Oct 15 17:12:21 There should be a movie screening of The Corporation Oct 15 17:12:57 chrissy and "Inside Job" Oct 15 17:13:04 if someone has something with basic RCA out Oct 15 17:13:08 compisite out Oct 15 17:13:21 community colleges = high schools with ash trays Oct 15 17:13:22 i have a durable cheap outdoor projector I am willing to give Oct 15 17:13:33 Oh, wait, is that a troll? Oct 15 17:13:35 maybe project a movie on the back wall of the park Oct 15 17:13:41 yeah Oct 15 17:13:44 468 is a troll OW Oct 15 17:13:45 * OccupyBoston520 (~OccupyBos@393-97-62-676-qdokecau6i.bu.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 17:13:46 just ignore Oct 15 17:13:49 468 is most definitely a troll, just ignore Oct 15 17:13:57 why does it say live on livestream right now Oct 15 17:14:14 Ah, okay, didn't realize. Oct 15 17:14:15 If I went to CC before WPI I would have half as much debt Oct 15 17:14:17 i think because livestream lets you see archived streams Oct 15 17:14:28 yes, I actually saw The Corporation for the first time a few years ago in high school Oct 15 17:14:35 @MK That's totally part of my thinking. Getting the basics out of the way cheaply. Oct 15 17:14:46 most cities put up "reruns" when not live Oct 15 17:14:51 you're making a good move OW, just be ready to work hard and you can succeed Oct 15 17:14:54 totally dude Oct 15 17:15:04 It's an inspiring documentary - made well, researched thoroughly, very informative and fact-based Oct 15 17:15:10 I originally started out in polisci, but found it draining, now focusing on molecular and cell biology/getting the basics towards that done. Oct 15 17:15:37 good choices, those fields should have plenty of oppertuntiy over the next 30 years Oct 15 17:15:46 Anyway, this isn't about me heh. Just trying to help make the voices of Worcester heard and communicate with Boston. Oct 15 17:15:53 ***are heard Oct 15 17:16:03 biotech is marketable, which is very important :) I know plenty of history majors, art majors and environmental science bachelors that are having a hard time right now Oct 15 17:16:04 then waht a academic major transfer to phys ed? Oct 15 17:16:07 I just graduated from North Shore Community - great school! I had an amazing time, participated in the MassTransfer compact, saved a buttload of money. Now I'm at Salem. Oct 15 17:16:27 WPI makes you take 2 PE classes! Beware! Oct 15 17:16:27 @chrissy ROCK ON! I may do that with UMASS Amherst, but don't really wanna leave Worcester. Oct 15 17:16:34 anyhow enough about that :-P Oct 15 17:16:48 :) Oct 15 17:16:49 lol Oct 15 17:16:50 I love coney island hotdogs!! Oct 15 17:16:59 i like turtles! Oct 15 17:17:03 HAHAHA Oct 15 17:17:12 So about how many people are staying through the night? Oct 15 17:17:13 i like people most of all Oct 15 17:17:14 on avg Oct 15 17:17:16 Oh, turtle boy. Such an awesome statue. Oct 15 17:17:16 you won't have to worry about leaving worcester Oct 15 17:17:22 so we had an interesting disucssion going on last night Oct 15 17:17:29 anyone care to hear the basic pitch Oct 15 17:17:33 of course Oct 15 17:17:37 @chrissy not sure, I think the GA is still in breakout groups. Oct 15 17:17:40 jmag about what? Oct 15 17:17:52 ok so the goverment needs better information about a multitude of topics Oct 15 17:17:59 to be best informed about policy Oct 15 17:18:02 * OccupyBoston520 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 17:18:04 uhhh how do we get consensus for booting trolls? Oct 15 17:18:18 is there a mod? Oct 15 17:18:30 Haha, it would be great to have a channel with a constant mod kicking out trolls/spammers. Oct 15 17:18:34 this information is best if it comes a large pool and is vetted by as large a group as possible Oct 15 17:18:41 booting what abot free speech Oct 15 17:18:43 consensus unable to decide on your own Oct 15 17:18:46 * OccupyBoston240 (~OccupyBos@725-6-05-316.c4-5.smr-ubr3.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 17:18:57 Even in GAs there is a block and hand-signals to wrap it up. Oct 15 17:18:59 this is often done with "think tank" like operations such as the GAO Oct 15 17:19:09 anarchism: a mod boots you without consensus and no one minds Oct 15 17:19:18 problem is bringing in, and creating offices to do this is expensice, inefficient and slow Oct 15 17:19:32 thats what IRC is Oct 15 17:19:33 Something of an online form of consensus should be discussed. Hm. Oct 15 17:19:35 anarchism Oct 15 17:19:36 so are there specific times when the Occupy Boston group eats? Oct 15 17:19:53 so yes eventually a mod will come, boot him and no one will care Oct 15 17:19:57 I don't think the food tent ever closes Oct 15 17:19:59 till then, easy to ignore Oct 15 17:20:06 Highly recommend this video: http://front.moveon.org/the-most-powerful-occupywallstreet-clip-you-will-see-this-month/ Oct 15 17:20:19 ok so anyway Oct 15 17:20:20 Hey all y'all I <3 You. Actually AFK for a while more Oct 15 17:20:29 the idea is to create more think tank like operations Oct 15 17:20:35 to help shape policy Oct 15 17:20:36 i just want to know at what time I should bring over a warm meal. Oct 15 17:20:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @DocLoLiday: @Occupy_Boston @maxpearl yeah its just special ops. No riot gear in sight, just ubiquitous zipcuffs - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125318288153657344 Oct 15 17:20:42 No mods, lol there all eating there free food. Oct 15 17:20:47 and create areas of focused disucssion Oct 15 17:20:52 * TheRavenProject (~ren@doesnt.matter.what.it.is) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 17:20:53 that the public can particiapte in Oct 15 17:20:56 this troll is out of here heading down to dewey square with soap, water, and a scrub brush to clean up maggots Oct 15 17:21:22 the structure would be 2 fold Oct 15 17:21:27 at least what we have so far Oct 15 17:21:29 Hey all! :-) Sitting out here at the State House at Occupy Columbia. Oct 15 17:21:38 Hearing the peoples mic work in person is awesome. Oct 15 17:21:44 you have a public forum for a topic such as fincianl policy Oct 15 17:21:51 *finance Oct 15 17:21:59 you also have a think tank group Oct 15 17:22:16 Later scumbags Oct 15 17:22:19 the think tank group is made up of both paid and volunteer experts from many fields Oct 15 17:22:27 * OccupyBoston240 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 17:22:39 anyone can apply to be part of a think tank group Oct 15 17:22:54 Columbia where? Oct 15 17:22:55 the think tank takes on questions of policy and research Oct 15 17:23:15 * OccupyBoston329 (~OccupyBos@10-737-56-317-gocwvdrtlg.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 17:23:19 and the colloborate on a document Oct 15 17:23:26 hi Oct 15 17:23:28 that the public can openly view and comment on Oct 15 17:23:40 this is very similar to how RFCs are done in the technology industry btw Oct 15 17:23:46 * OccupyBoston468 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 17:23:47 * foodolla (~foodolla@57-65-92-45.rdns.blackberry.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 17:23:54 * OccupyBoston833 (~OccupyBos@awqw-47-155-272-600.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 17:23:57 * OccupyBoston329 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 17:24:07 the think tank progresses the document and research based on public feedback and indipenandt data correlation and analysis Oct 15 17:24:08 @TheRavenProject Hey there, Columbia! Oct 15 17:24:42 * Occupy has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 17:24:47 at particular checkpoints in teh process the public is allowed to vote on documents moving through the process to better inform the think tank Oct 15 17:24:47 * foodolla has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 17:24:49 OccupyWorcester: Hey. :-) Oct 15 17:24:53 * OccupyBoston833 (~OccupyBos@awqw-47-155-272-600.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 15 17:24:55 Anybody at Dewey Camp? Oct 15 17:24:57 * OccupyBoston364 (~OccupyBos@208.59.gw.mnx) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 17:25:05 * OccupyBoston364 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 17:25:07 Hmm, maybe I should. Oct 15 17:25:22 * OccupymyMombasement (~OccupymyM@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 17:25:27 at the end is a document of reccomendations or reasearch meant to inform the goverments decsisions, these documents would be more than just basic helpful suggestions as we could put some legal weight behind them Oct 15 17:25:40 In case anybody is interested, here's a panorama I made of OB this afternoon: http://i.imgur.com/skMQ2.jpg Oct 15 17:26:02 http://www.livestream.com/undergroundreports Oct 15 17:26:05 Berlin being broken up Oct 15 17:26:06 this allows the public to not jsut be particpatory via voting but can help shape individual policy with thier expertise and opnions Oct 15 17:26:29 thats the "elevator" pitch at the moment Oct 15 17:26:47 that's cool, Brandon. Got more? Oct 15 17:27:10 what the free food of the day down there at OB? Oct 15 17:27:12 * EOEoccupy (~EOEoccupy@nxb-892-915-991-318.carolina.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 17:27:12 Well I have all the individual photos I used to make the panorama, but that's it Oct 15 17:27:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Heading down to #occupyboston see everyone there! - http://twitter.com/TwoHeadedRecord/statuses/125321713729802240 Oct 15 17:27:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] ran into a museum curator at the march today (the rolled up signs are so others could join in) #occupyboston http://t.co/ld6xTChT - http://twitter.com/dada_drummer/statuses/125321728254689280 Oct 15 17:27:59 what the free food of the day down there at OB? Oct 15 17:28:24 it depends on whats been donated, dont expect to eat caviar or anything Oct 15 17:28:42 mainly fruit salad, vegatables, soda, water, coffee Oct 15 17:28:56 WTF no caviar!!! Oct 15 17:29:05 i know srsly Oct 15 17:29:28 i figured we would at least get some fillet mignon or something ;-) Oct 15 17:29:39 NEW SONG CALLED OCCUPY-THIS HITS THE NAIL ON THE HEAD!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VthTqvV0WrI Oct 15 17:29:45 NEW SONG CALLED OCCUPY-THIS HITS THE NAIL ON THE HEAD!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VthTqvV0WrI Oct 15 17:30:15 Eat meat that would be bad! lol Oct 15 17:30:32 nahh not bad just expensive and cannot cook onsite i belive Oct 15 17:30:45 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: So far everything seems okay re: march. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125321088715603968 Oct 15 17:30:47 * EOEoccupy has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 17:30:59 No free pizza today? Oct 15 17:31:07 it happens from time to ime Oct 15 17:31:17 i brought like 10 dozen dounuts the other day Oct 15 17:31:32 so if you are there at the right time you might get something good but its not about the food Oct 15 17:32:16 * GeoBos (~geobos@v-45-93-566-044.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 17:32:33 * rbpw (~rbpw@bn-30-650-69-69.public.wayport.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 17:32:55 * rbpw is now known as rubberpaw Oct 15 17:33:02 Great turnout for the International Day of Solidarity March here in Worcester! http://bit.ly/oOlLDZ Oct 15 17:33:11 brandon nice image! Oct 15 17:34:23 thanks :) Oct 15 17:34:25 * rubberpaw has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 17:34:32 OW see you're doing it Oct 15 17:35:03 Is there power down at OB. I want to go but don't want to leave my x-box at home. Oct 15 17:35:11 lol Oct 15 17:35:15 haha Oct 15 17:35:20 not that much power Oct 15 17:35:34 they have bicycle generators they use to charge batteries Oct 15 17:35:42 power has been issue there Oct 15 17:35:49 and I think they are allowed to pull a little off the grid for the media tent but im not sure Oct 15 17:35:53 who speaks german? Oct 15 17:36:38 jmag their main concern is if media breaks the cicuit, they won't be given power again Oct 15 17:36:51 they are likely right Oct 15 17:37:10 get a gennerator? Oct 15 17:37:15 not allowed on site Oct 15 17:37:19 offered mine already Oct 15 17:37:20 >_> Oct 15 17:37:33 no gas powered heaters or lights either Oct 15 17:37:38 batteries only Oct 15 17:37:38 the governor was there I'm sure we could get something. Oct 15 17:37:47 what lol Oct 15 17:37:49 patrick is there for his own needs Oct 15 17:37:51 what kind of park is this Oct 15 17:37:57 hes trying to look good for the camera Oct 15 17:38:02 he does not care about protesters Oct 15 17:38:22 wonder if anyone talked to patrick about esplanade- state property Oct 15 17:38:25 patrick is part of the 1%!!!!!! Oct 15 17:38:31 if you are curious as to what our leaders thing Oct 15 17:38:33 think Oct 15 17:38:35 watch this Oct 15 17:38:35 OccupymyMombasement: are you sure? Oct 15 17:38:36 http://front.moveon.org/the-most-powerful-occupywallstreet-clip-you-will-see-this-month/#.TpjqLI2eEeL.facebook Oct 15 17:38:41 He might be but I'm not positive Oct 15 17:38:44 shows the hypocrasy front and center Oct 15 17:38:54 you have to have quite a few assets to be that rich Oct 15 17:38:57 an even then Oct 15 17:38:57 patrick is a millionare Oct 15 17:39:02 jmagly: how big. Oct 15 17:39:15 takes like 6 million to get up into the 1% Oct 15 17:39:18 multi-millionare Oct 15 17:39:23 apparently i'm part of the "1%" (jokingly, since i'm a CEO ) Oct 15 17:39:30 so now some of AnonNet wants to occupy my back yard ;) Oct 15 17:39:43 theres really nothing wrong with the 1% really its a marketing thing Oct 15 17:39:54 if it was 2012 now, imagine all the pols griftng the crowd for votes :) Oct 15 17:39:57 well its mathmatically wrong Oct 15 17:40:05 the real anger is directed at those of the 1% that manuiplated the economy and polotical stage for profit Oct 15 17:40:15 at the expense of the people, society and the enviorment Oct 15 17:40:31 but we are the 99.999% just isint as catchy I think Oct 15 17:40:57 old money looks down its nose at new money Oct 15 17:41:27 one can be a millionaire and still not be allowed into the club Oct 15 17:41:34 for certain Oct 15 17:41:42 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Canned food drive now! To the left of the "bike racks" at the main camp entrance. It'll be here as long as we are. http://t.co/GKypE3yD - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125324897143623680 Oct 15 17:41:52 * GeoBos has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi) Oct 15 17:41:56 and just because you are a millionare does not me you are dodging taxes and screwing over the country Oct 15 17:42:16 roger Oct 15 17:42:18 however there are those that are and thier wealth and infulnce has given them a great power that has been abused Oct 15 17:43:05 by the way thank you for being here Hunter Oct 15 17:43:11 we need the support of everyone Oct 15 17:43:36 im a 10% er my self and consider myself lucky to be working, happy to commit what I have available to help out Oct 15 17:43:51 jmagly, my company has done ... $3,200 in business so far since it's inception Oct 15 17:43:52 :D Oct 15 17:43:59 lol Oct 15 17:44:00 CEO dosn't mean jack shit haha Oct 15 17:44:00 I have a right to carry permit, are guns allowed at the campsite? Oct 15 17:44:13 people with ambition for power & wealth must, at heart, be very insecure Oct 15 17:44:15 i made an assumption lol ;-) Oct 15 17:44:28 no weapons are allowed Oct 15 17:44:31 OccupymyMombasement, i wouldn't reccomend it at a 'peacful' protest Oct 15 17:44:51 i do believe I heard them saying that at the info desk Oct 15 17:44:52 jmagly, well, you can say that, but the city didn't, and if he gets caught up in some police riffraff, just having a weapon would look bad on him Oct 15 17:45:04 oh god Oct 15 17:45:05 OccupymyMombasement: do not bring a gun. Oct 15 17:45:07 your campout has an infodesk? Oct 15 17:45:12 this shit's getting advanced Oct 15 17:45:24 OccupymyMombasement: a gun is a bad idea Oct 15 17:45:26 yup, info desk, media desk, library, medition area Oct 15 17:45:30 food area Oct 15 17:45:33 OccupymyMombasement: you don't want to have to deal with cops + a gun Oct 15 17:45:38 logistics and storage Oct 15 17:45:48 its faily well ogranized Oct 15 17:45:53 and no leaders Oct 15 17:45:57 boston got a library too? :D Oct 15 17:46:02 yup Oct 15 17:46:10 theres also eduction groups Oct 15 17:47:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Red Heroine captivating the growing crowd at #occupyboston http://t.co/zDuYpEnk - http://twitter.com/OccupyBostonMus/statuses/125326626341912577 Oct 15 17:47:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @lucrativelemons: @Occupy_Boston #occupyboston http://t.co/wmkQApyg - http://twitter.com/massive1001/statuses/125326685691330560 Oct 15 17:47:42 eduction groups, can I get school credit? Oct 15 17:47:59 no but you might get smarter Oct 15 17:48:09 * ywwg (~owen@f-21-044-99-506.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 17:48:56 ny livestream showuing protestors in times sq, a double-decker tourist bus went by and some on top were whopping and fist-pumping the peeps on the ground Oct 15 17:49:16 awesome Oct 15 17:50:28 * OccupyBoston354 (~OccupyBos@kqey-21-448-408-097.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 17:50:30 OccupymyMombasement: Although you should not bring weapons to camp, You will find people who are Pro-2A. Oct 15 17:50:37 good strategy for all cities, march your peeps to tourist sections and make more citizens aware Oct 15 17:50:43 Evening Oct 15 17:50:49 hello 353 Oct 15 17:50:50 354 Oct 15 17:50:52 Evening 354 Oct 15 17:50:57 hey 354 Oct 15 17:50:58 Name here Stevie Oct 15 17:51:07 from Taunton MA Oct 15 17:51:18 yeah, I support right to carry and right to bear arms but I wouldnt reccomend bringing any kind of weapon to camp and would ask that others do not Oct 15 17:51:30 I applaud your valiant effort and that it continues Oct 15 17:51:32 if you have it and someone knows youll likely have quite a few people asking you to go Oct 15 17:51:37 big time peer-pressure Oct 15 17:52:06 welcome Stevie Oct 15 17:52:10 Ty Oct 15 17:52:17 * OccupyBostonpp9 (~OccupyBos@v-38-832-969-460.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 17:52:18 not many campers on right now, you are mainly talking to the supporters of the camp Oct 15 17:52:32 fair enoug Oct 15 17:52:39 enough Oct 15 17:52:43 you been out there yet? Oct 15 17:52:56 * chrissy has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 17:53:02 There all eating there free food! Oct 15 17:53:21 based on what ive seen Oct 15 17:53:31 its just about enough to get by Oct 15 17:53:41 no one is really raving over food options Oct 15 17:53:47 Due to my renal failure it limits my travel unfourtnately Oct 15 17:53:49 its more "food is fuel" at this point Oct 15 17:53:56 ouchie suck Oct 15 17:54:04 yeah, I cant afford the time to camp Oct 15 17:54:08 its painless Oct 15 17:54:11 so I just go down and hang out from time to time Oct 15 17:54:21 cool Oct 15 17:54:38 we also have working groups online Oct 15 17:54:43 jmag & 354 we all do what we can to support Oct 15 17:54:43 if you wanted to particapte at all Oct 15 17:55:25 there are a number of topics that need collective brain power Oct 15 17:55:29 hell your helping as I speak to you Oct 15 17:55:31 doing this is supporting the movement as opposed, to say, watching tv Oct 15 17:55:41 oh I know Oct 15 17:55:45 believe me Oct 15 17:55:55 otherwise I wouldnt sit here yabbering for so long lol Oct 15 17:56:15 im really trying to recurit people for the working groups in case you havent guessed ;-) Oct 15 17:56:51 354 there's the possibility of giving peeps on the ground a good idea and you're always lending morale support- vital to tne long-term success Oct 15 17:57:43 * Zimmerme (~Zimmerme@hksf-35-821-386-361.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 17:58:18 what type of topics may I ask I have vast expeirence in medical issues as I was an EMT as well as a long list of ailments over the years I had to live with and over come, Cancer and Gyullian Barret' Syndrome Oct 15 17:58:32 Pictues out of the march in France some great shots http://www.leparisien.fr/international/en-images-les-indignes-du-monde-entier-15-10-2011-1654945.php?pic=10#infoBulles1 Oct 15 17:58:46 sounds like you would be a fantatic candiate for the healthcare group Oct 15 17:59:23 which would be good because it looks like that still needs a wikipage Oct 15 17:59:55 if you are interested in lending your fingers and your brain I can point you in the right direction Oct 15 18:00:02 * OccupyBoston883 (~OccupyBos@e-67-86-70-82.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 18:00:28 * OccupyBoston883 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 18:00:34 * OccupyBoston288 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 18:01:07 I would love to as I am disabled and have vast amounts of free time between times dialysis Oct 15 18:01:24 zim great series of images thanks for the link Oct 15 18:01:32 ok so your first stop is to go here and sign-up to access the wiki: http://occupyboston.wikispaces.com Oct 15 18:01:50 put in your comment that you would like to heelp kick off the Healthcare working group pages Oct 15 18:02:09 i can provide assistance in figuring out how to use the wiki effectivly if you need it Oct 15 18:02:46 * Zimmerme has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 18:03:31 * OccupyBoston665 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 18:04:31 Anybody know what the deal is with the tech working group? The wiki is pretty much blank. Oct 15 18:06:48 not sure but I am happy to help kick it off with you, thats my primary background as well Oct 15 18:07:18 I signed up and I have no clue about how to set up Wiki or how to use it I can fill in information if it is set up Oct 15 18:07:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Oops looks like 1 of the 53% is unaware if his status. #OccupyBoston #occupywallstreet. http://t.co/AR57LcVu - http://twitter.com/julied200/statuses/125331793497948160 Oct 15 18:07:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #occupyboston Many have uploaded pics of black flags in Boston today. It is common anarchy flag. As to jihad flag: http://t.co/Bt9j0Pqj - http://twitter.com/resistoccupy/statuses/125331809285308416 Oct 15 18:07:31 i know there arw quite a few tech folks at the camp that may have some stuff going on, i can tey and collect anything they have tonight to post it up Oct 15 18:07:47 that ok 354 I can help you there Oct 15 18:07:53 but you have to be approved first Oct 15 18:07:58 before you can edit Oct 15 18:08:12 that is fine I did apply Oct 15 18:08:15 * OccupyBoston334 (~OccupyBos@d-66-878-873-238.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 18:08:43 * OccupyBoston334 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 18:08:54 once you have access I can help you out. I just sent you a private message so we can exchange information Oct 15 18:09:42 brandon are you signed up on the wiki yet? Oct 15 18:10:36 * tonyduck (~tonyduck@pk-11-581-57-290.public.wayport.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 18:10:37 I believe so Oct 15 18:10:45 waiting for an email Oct 15 18:11:03 i dont have your email, i sent you a message through irc Oct 15 18:11:18 hello.... i was wondering if i went to boston to show support if their is still room to set up camp? Oct 15 18:11:28 what username did you rgister with ill send you a message through the wiki Oct 15 18:11:40 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @The99Percenters: WATCH THIS ! Oct 15 18:11:41 Bank of America refuses to let customers close accounts Oct 15 18:11:42 http://t.co/n338xYr0 - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125331938532802560 Oct 15 18:11:43 stevie02780 Oct 15 18:11:43 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @ShaylaLucia: @The99Percenters I was told at Chase that due to "computer issues" the are unable to close accts. I have been asking ev ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125331954055905280 Oct 15 18:11:45 i am not sure, there usally is some room Oct 15 18:13:24 * ywwg has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 15 18:13:33 i just want to say that the 99% can be very nasty and cause a lot of problems (that's why the 1% are afraid)...that's why a persistent message of peaceful protest is paramount Oct 15 18:13:35 im trying to send you a message but it cant find you yet, do you have an email? Oct 15 18:14:02 agreed 9 Oct 15 18:14:05 tac9c48@msn.com Oct 15 18:14:15 ok mail headed your way Oct 15 18:14:19 kk Oct 15 18:14:55 So when does OB start looking like Rome? Oct 15 18:15:08 i thought war, inequality, injustice are solved with the invention of machines and the atomic weapon but it only accelerate our suffering. this is because the 1% used new inventions as tool of suppression nad accentuate suffering Oct 15 18:15:17 ok you has mail Oct 15 18:15:43 not sure what you mean by that Mom Oct 15 18:16:19 I mean what happened in Rome today. Oct 15 18:16:20 well 9 that is true but we are also fortunate Oct 15 18:16:21 we need to convince them that they have nothing to fear and there is no need to dominate others to make a comfortable living. that they should come down from cloud 9 and be part of us because they're just human/biological organisms subjected to the same forces on earth Oct 15 18:16:39 that our technolgy has given us likely the most important advance of our sociiety in the last 100 years or more Oct 15 18:16:43 the internet Oct 15 18:17:04 and whats really interesting about it, it was desgined and developed by free-thinkers and scientists not corp interests Oct 15 18:17:13 which is why its proven so hard for a single entity to control Oct 15 18:17:17 it was desgined that way Oct 15 18:17:35 now we as a people need to use this tool as our "weapon" to help affect the change we want Oct 15 18:18:33 If the white house wanted to, they could shut down the internet with a push of a button. Oct 15 18:18:45 thats not neccassarily true Oct 15 18:18:48 the internet only accelerates inequity since it augments our limited biological minds. but i agree about the positive contribution it has to the occupy movement Oct 15 18:18:57 it is to a certain extent but not completely Oct 15 18:19:28 the internet is a tool, how it affects socitety is all in who is wielding it and how it is used Oct 15 18:19:51 in a world where mass killings are not common, the war front is in the mind and computers is a tool that aid in that war. computers have dual purpose Oct 15 18:19:51 working slow no emai yet Oct 15 18:20:00 sorry, jmagly I was afk for a minute Oct 15 18:20:06 thats ok brandon Oct 15 18:20:16 that they do 9 Oct 15 18:20:19 but the nice thing is Oct 15 18:20:35 the internet and the technolgoy powering it is an equalizer Oct 15 18:20:39 well I'd love to get more involved with the movement, and I'm a huge nerd, so I figured I could be useful there Oct 15 18:20:50 it is possible for the people to wield it just as effectively as any corprate interest Oct 15 18:21:21 i don't know jmagly......with money comes control of the internet (google, yahoo, facebook) Oct 15 18:21:42 no with money comes control of certain pipes and servers Oct 15 18:21:43 watched morgan spurlock's "the gretest movie ever sold" about product placement and corporate cinema, folks in the business use FEAR GREED & SEX to sell products Oct 15 18:21:43 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @YouAreThe99: @Occupy_Boston @ShaylaLucia Bank transfer day november 5th. Join a credit union, END FOR PROFIT BANKS - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125335125557907456 Oct 15 18:21:44 As long as the pipes are open we're ok Oct 15 18:21:44 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @JSchorfheide: @Occupy_Boston This happened literally yesterday. I was perfectly fine with not having one, but you're saying that now ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125335265622507520 Oct 15 18:21:53 they do not control the internet or the technologies underpinning it Oct 15 18:22:13 * Caper (~Caper@d-57-43-576-75.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 18:22:14 the system was desgined speicfically to allow the network to route around bad actors when and if neccassary Oct 15 18:22:16 OK IDEA: people's wireless. Cooperative cell phone provider. Oct 15 18:22:24 web is beyond their total control Oct 15 18:22:41 yeah but the system is controlled by the govt or big corporations Oct 15 18:22:41 the technolgy the internet is built on is public Oct 15 18:22:51 the best the goverment or a company can do is shut down some pipes Oct 15 18:22:59 the small operators can be pushed out of the market by increasing regulations Oct 15 18:23:03 they'll control the "msm" portions of the net maybe Oct 15 18:23:12 but the thing is Oct 15 18:23:20 they cant shut it all down they require it to survivie Oct 15 18:23:43 jmag right it's a 2-edged sword for them Oct 15 18:23:49 and there are many ways internet technogies can be levraged to allow people to communicate Oct 15 18:24:10 see the basis of the internet are what we call standards Oct 15 18:24:19 Snow Crash anyone? I'd love to hear plans to get a giany hybrid wireless mesh set up acorss the country that is supported by individual cells and not directly privately controlled. Oct 15 18:24:20 jmagly: I just signed up on the wiki Oct 15 18:24:22 * Caper has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 18:24:25 these standards and thier implmentations are completely open to anyone Oct 15 18:24:45 this allows us too create alternative methods of communicating data should main lines become ineffective Oct 15 18:24:49 have a friend who is a very strong tech and he says "no way" for complete control Oct 15 18:25:11 ok brandon whats your username Ill send you a message Oct 15 18:25:18 jmagly: brandonjardine Oct 15 18:25:20 well the latest survey says the rich fear too much; with billions in assets and their concerns are just ordinary: how to take care of children, what their future be without having enough money, etc. Oct 15 18:25:22 just to give you some background so you know Im not talking crazy Oct 15 18:25:28 The American Nazi Party supports OWS lol...... http://www.theblaze.com/stories/american-nazi-party-endorses-occupy-wall-streets-courage-tells-members-to-support-protests-and-fight-judeo-capitalist-banksters/ Oct 15 18:25:44 in my profession I desgin/develop and build multimillion user systems for fortune 500s Oct 15 18:25:54 must dash good peeps; great being here and sharing perspectives with you Oct 15 18:25:57 i help desgin applications like MyYahoo or CNN's home page system Oct 15 18:25:58 * hosap has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 18:26:05 * OccupyBoston354 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 18:26:08 so I know a bit about how it works and what they can do with it Oct 15 18:26:18 with that much remant of the reptilian fear brain in the modern human, i guess an asset cap of $100mil would be reasonable Oct 15 18:26:41 we don't want people to weild so much power and influence and act out on fear to the detriment of the 99% Oct 15 18:26:53 * stevie02780 (~stevie027@kqey-21-448-408-097.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 18:27:06 I am back Oct 15 18:27:07 The American Nazi Party supports OWS lol...... http://www.theblaze.com/stories/american-nazi-party-endorses-occupy-wall-streets-courage-tells-members-to-support-protes... Oct 15 18:27:20 wb stevie Oct 15 18:27:43 you have a message brandon Oct 15 18:27:45 * MediaTent (~MediaTent@50.12.rzo.ju) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 18:27:45 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to MediaTent Oct 15 18:27:54 jmagly: got it Oct 15 18:28:15 * MediaTent is now known as MediaTent_Cyris Oct 15 18:28:18 hey all Oct 15 18:28:22 eve Oct 15 18:28:24 * TheRavenProject has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 15 18:28:26 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @UndrgrndNws: Bank of America refuses to let protestors come in & close their accounts: VIDEO http://t.co/Y62lkptA #OccupyWallStreet #occupy #OccupyBoston - http://twitter.com/Twitlertwit/statuses/125337080149716993 Oct 15 18:28:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @UndrgrndNws: #OccupyWallStreet is under attack AGAIN! This time in Times Sq. RT! #TheWorldIsWatching @Occupy_Boston #occupyBoston @openmediaboston - http://twitter.com/LGMonsterSoxfan/statuses/125337083828121600 Oct 15 18:28:57 yayy medi tent is on! Oct 15 18:29:04 how you guys doing? Oct 15 18:29:17 #ThingIWantFromOccupy Plans to build a hybrid wireless mesh worldwide supported by individual cells and not centrally controlled. Oct 15 18:29:31 * OccupyBoston729 (~OccupyBos@xlpu-906-76-430-983.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 18:30:03 brandon, till you get wiki access we can talk shop over messages Oct 15 18:30:13 restructuring Oct 15 18:30:23 GA should be up soon Oct 15 18:30:30 awesome thanks! Oct 15 18:30:47 slowly dragging people into the Wiki here, you guys running that too? Oct 15 18:31:10 I am not personally but someone here is Oct 15 18:31:12 jmagly: actually, I just got wiki access approved Oct 15 18:31:18 * tonyduck has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 18:31:19 oh fantastic Oct 15 18:31:30 lets hook up on IM brandon so we can sync up quicker Oct 15 18:32:53 jmagly: google talk? Oct 15 18:33:12 works for me, I send you my gmail via the wiki Oct 15 18:33:29 media, is there anything you guys need for the tech heads ATM? Oct 15 18:33:37 it is impossible to perpectuate a modern country without so much suffering and over leverage of bread and circuses ....the elites are tiredless at telling us about american exeptionalism...well it's time to show that exceptionalism and know that rome didn't survive in this same condition Oct 15 18:34:13 elites back then didn't last that long either. there must be change if they're smart.....hah! Oct 15 18:34:57 * stevie02780 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 18:35:34 * Houndish (~Houndish@jjlr-04-907-443-60.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 18:35:46 The American Nazi Party supports OWS lol...... http://www.theblaze.com/stories/american-nazi-party-endorses-occupy-wall-streets-courage-tells-members-to-support-protes... Oct 15 18:36:05 * stevie02780 (~stevie027@kqey-21-448-408-097.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 18:36:24 More pictures from Worcester's International Day of Solidarity March are coming out goo.gl/UrGtx Oct 15 18:36:45 yes we have an educated elites, they all hold college degrees. let's hope they can be reached and can dig themselves out before we're doomed Oct 15 18:37:14 the nazi link guys seems to want to demonize the occupiers Oct 15 18:37:15 * pierre791 (~pierre791@sbvg-64-136-637-222.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 18:37:53 People across the world are sending a message today.......... Oct 15 18:38:37 nazi involvement are fine as long as they're peaceful. if they provoke the system to do violence then they must be singled out for their deeds Oct 15 18:39:02 why would anyone want to be the 1% now? Oct 15 18:39:26 The 1% think this movement will peter out........ Oct 15 18:39:54 * OccupyBoston063 (~OccupyBos@418-8-081-647.c8-1.bkl-ubr0.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 18:40:00 * OccupyBoston063 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 18:40:22 with nothing to look forward to, the 99% will keep on protesting Oct 15 18:41:10 * stevie02780 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 18:41:31 I wonder what trick the 1% will come up with next to stop the protests.....?? Oct 15 18:42:42 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Anyone know? @rauduskoivu: @Occupy_Boston Who were the teens performing traditional dance around 3 pm? Like which tribe/org?" - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125339979542052864 Oct 15 18:42:43 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: Thousands are singing "This Little Light Of Mine" in Times Square. Soldarity, neighbors. #OWS @OccupyWallSt - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125340591402926080 Oct 15 18:42:50 * ZanzibarMan (~ZanzibarM@ezry-951-59-26-71.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 18:43:35 they'll do the nazi link and such.....cause a war as an excuse for martial law....false flags....bunch of stupid tricks......co-opt the movement.....initiate violence and hope to blame protesters....divide and conquer strategy etc Oct 15 18:44:16 or even provide temporary relief Oct 15 18:45:00 it's almost impossible for an individual to change, even more difficult for the system (collection of individuals) to change Oct 15 18:47:06 * Lizardhisss (~Lizardhis@087-9-38-968.c6-3.smr-ubr4.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 18:47:18 * Lizardhisss has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 18:48:17 Another war seems likely by Obama and Hillary Oct 15 18:48:33 it shows desperation Oct 15 18:48:49 why don't they just resign to get out of this mess. they got enough money Oct 15 18:49:26 The protesters need to stay focussed in the event of another war or international hostilities..... Oct 15 18:50:55 there's a limit to how many wars, how much war the war machine can endure. like everything, there's a return margine....more use of force won't be as effective Oct 15 18:51:25 if they start war with iran, it spells doom to them. the protesters will just swell and occupy everything Oct 15 18:52:22 wars make america weak and china or russia will just walk in Oct 15 18:53:39 * lovecrime|mobile (~lovecrime@90.sub-75-34-77.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 18:54:03 * lovecrime|mobile is now known as Guest19035 Oct 15 18:54:12 A war with Iran will have many casualties.... Oct 15 18:54:56 * zimmermom (~zimmermom@hksf-35-821-386-361.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 18:55:10 is what is on the feed going on? Oct 15 18:55:31 * questions (~questions@o-95-48-19-81.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 18:56:05 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to Guest19035 Oct 15 18:56:05 * questions has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 18:56:20 iran is so big ....it will be a lot of casualties Oct 15 18:56:37 bombing alone does nothing and gives bad publicity Oct 15 18:56:54 * theonlytruestyle2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 15 18:57:12 is the "live" feed live? Oct 15 18:57:18 * OccupymyMombasement has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 18:57:29 * Guest19035 is now known as lovecrime|mobile Oct 15 18:57:37 lovecrime, hey Oct 15 18:58:40 zimmermom, soon, we are working on it Oct 15 18:58:41 Hey man Oct 15 18:58:59 This country has been warming up for a war with Iran for some time...... Oct 15 18:59:01 Oh so that is just a loop from the other night? Oct 15 18:59:27 But Iran has been developing weapons for some time as well... Oct 15 19:00:07 zimmermom, i am pretty sure Oct 15 19:00:07 Pierre791: so has the united states Oct 15 19:00:22 why would anyone want to be president now even if all the fame and glory Oct 15 19:00:45 But Iran is no push over and people may get upset at the number of casualties... Oct 15 19:00:46 my son looked at my puter and started to get angry..... you all need to put a sign on it not live ' Oct 15 19:01:19 just look at obama, he's stressed out beyond belief. there's no easy solution to the unemployment crisis other than spending more on stimulus which drives the debt even higher Oct 15 19:01:23 We just left from down there and it was calm. Oct 15 19:01:32 * T (~T@ryrnij-986-9-964-419.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 19:01:38 * ZanzibarMan has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 19:01:48 Evening all, is the livestream up for the GA tonight? Oct 15 19:01:48 people should be be humble and admit they're stupid instead of trying to fix/gamble with the 99%'s lives Oct 15 19:02:01 Obama is not in a good position...... Oct 15 19:02:19 what are those spoeedo pictures Oct 15 19:02:22 what the heck Oct 15 19:02:37 This country admit failure??? You gotta be kidding Oct 15 19:02:45 my own personal thought is that Obama is the lesser of the idiots. take your pick they all suck.....but at least he is a wee bit better. Oct 15 19:02:46 * lovecrime|mobile has quit (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) Oct 15 19:03:30 * Theresa (~Theresa@ryrnij-986-9-964-419.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 19:03:32 zimmermom, the elections are basically between tweedle dee and dweedle dum right now Oct 15 19:03:34 * Theresa has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 19:03:41 I have no doubt Obama will be re-elected.....But that doesn't mean the pressure should end Oct 15 19:03:49 >>>media you got that right Oct 15 19:04:08 exactly Oct 15 19:04:19 live stream will be up tonight Oct 15 19:04:24 We just have to keep up the pressure hell or high water Oct 15 19:04:30 Awesome, I can try to take notes Oct 15 19:04:32 we have to be heard Oct 15 19:04:37 i would like to see ron paul get elected Oct 15 19:04:39 we restructured the media tent fro the weather so it might be a few minutes late for livestream Oct 15 19:04:46 but i assure you, it will be up :) Oct 15 19:04:49 Woof..... are u for real Oct 15 19:04:55 Probably good to restructure it Oct 15 19:04:59 zimmermon, yeah Oct 15 19:05:19 to each their own but is is as big a wacko as the rest Oct 15 19:05:31 and he will change nothing for the better Oct 15 19:05:42 i respectfully disagree Oct 15 19:05:42 * T has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 19:05:50 2nd that Oct 15 19:06:00 we do need common ground Oct 15 19:06:13 what would you like to see happen? Oct 15 19:06:24 * Theresa (~Theresa@ryrnij-986-9-964-419.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 19:06:49 I think we need to restructure our system Oct 15 19:06:58 starting with our banking Oct 15 19:07:11 we need to get back to people having the voice Oct 15 19:07:12 okay, i agree Oct 15 19:07:22 not the corps Oct 15 19:07:23 okay so then you need to educate the 'masses' so they actually vote Oct 15 19:07:27 and get involved Oct 15 19:07:32 yes woof Oct 15 19:07:38 that is part off the issue Oct 15 19:07:54 I think that is why Ron Paul does that in a way, by giving back the rights to states....not the federal govt. Oct 15 19:07:55 most people do not go out and learn, they have mass media Oct 15 19:08:13 the banks need to be regulated first Oct 15 19:08:22 just as a starting point Oct 15 19:08:25 yes Media Oct 15 19:08:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @UndrgrndNws: Times Sq is trending! @Occupy_Boston #occupyboston @OccupyWallSt #occupywallstreet #ows #occupy - http://twitter.com/helfeather/statuses/125346965142781952 Oct 15 19:08:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Just because some people here have cellphones doesn't mean our political leaders are listening! #occupyboston #OWS - http://twitter.com/NateOsit/statuses/125347031999979520 Oct 15 19:08:43 MediaTent_Cyris, how would you regulate the banks Oct 15 19:08:50 what wouldnt you allow them to do Oct 15 19:08:57 obama will be elected because 99% of the 99% are not peaceful. they'll be sold on the message of obama being strong on defense from running so many wars at once Oct 15 19:09:04 WooF, i am not the person to ask Oct 15 19:09:24 but there is a lot of things they can and cant do that they just run with that are wrong Oct 15 19:09:25 i dont think the average person wants all these wars Oct 15 19:09:33 * OccupyBoston698 (~OccupyBos@04.sub-902-080-63.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 19:09:46 they should not trade (wall street) on failure Oct 15 19:09:52 not bad for a nobel peace prize winner.....but who is left to see the irony in all this. perhaps he just compartmentmentazlie this and justify his actions saying he got it due to his opposition to nuclear weapons Oct 15 19:09:54 The protesters have to change the discussion from wars to peace....... Oct 15 19:09:59 they should be made to invest for the whole...not the few Oct 15 19:10:03 but we cant just make them obsolete because that will cause mass chaos Oct 15 19:10:27 what about banning some derivatives Oct 15 19:10:30 do you think that would help Oct 15 19:11:20 everything is on the table I think woof..... Oct 15 19:11:56 * Caper (~Caper@d-57-43-576-75.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 19:12:17 derivatives, is run by a computer program.... correct? Oct 15 19:12:37 derivatives are financial instruments Oct 15 19:12:45 derivatives is run by computer programs and actuaries I believe Oct 15 19:12:50 with out thought of the people behind the numbers that are crunched? Oct 15 19:12:54 excuse me derivatives are Oct 15 19:12:55 yes Oct 15 19:13:03 This international day of action will change the dynamic a bit.......... Oct 15 19:13:12 * Caper has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 19:13:17 bets and hedging Oct 15 19:13:22 WooF, sounds about right Oct 15 19:13:27 rampant speculation Oct 15 19:13:36 yes bets and hedging Oct 15 19:13:40 i'd start with banning credit default swaps Oct 15 19:13:53 (these are what destroyed greece) Oct 15 19:13:59 german actually stepped up and banned them Oct 15 19:14:02 germany* Oct 15 19:14:14 well i think protesting against wallstreet bailouts are ok but not ok about protesting the stock market operations Oct 15 19:14:15 yes they did, and it is working for them too Oct 15 19:14:29 zimmermom, yes Oct 15 19:14:31 they can leverage all they want but they must declare bankruptcy and get no bailouts Oct 15 19:14:37 why occ9? Oct 15 19:14:47 the way the system is set up, bailouts are a goal to many institutions Oct 15 19:15:07 yes, they get bailed we get screwed Oct 15 19:15:11 fractional reserve banking is incredibly dangerous Oct 15 19:15:18 not that I do not mind a good screw...... Oct 15 19:15:23 :-) Oct 15 19:15:36 if they play the market against each other it's their preferences....if they lose they must be prepared to beg for their food and shelter but no bailouts Oct 15 19:15:56 we've sent trillions to other countrys Oct 15 19:16:00 its not just the 'banks' who are being bailed out Oct 15 19:16:29 how about we stop giving billions to other countrys? if the tax payers want to support X country, they can donate themselves Oct 15 19:16:35 i think OWS should just protest the fact that tax money is being used to prop up failed wallstreet......if they don't take money from us, we leave them alone Oct 15 19:16:50 70% of our money goes to the State Oct 15 19:17:09 yes woof we have..... to what end? If that money was going to build schools and help the populace it would be a different story Oct 15 19:17:31 i dont think the federal government should be involved in education Oct 15 19:17:40 ? why Oct 15 19:17:53 no, they help fund education Oct 15 19:18:02 * MediaTent_Cyris has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 15 19:18:07 local level and maybe state Oct 15 19:18:19 I would rather my hard earned money go to education than to the military Oct 15 19:18:41 and the corps. Oct 15 19:18:44 i dont want beurocrats in washington interferring with education Oct 15 19:18:49 a good way to take care of many problem is voting for ron paul.......but we must be courteous not to co-opt this movement for ron paul's gain. hell if he's smart, he just sit tight....because the default position is a vote for him anyways Oct 15 19:19:02 I dissagree Oct 15 19:19:13 the department of education has sky rocketed the price of a college degree Oct 15 19:19:21 and primary school in the united states is terrible Oct 15 19:19:23 this protest is not about republicans/conservatives/ron paul. they already had the tea party and that mostly failed Oct 15 19:19:27 true but that is not the only education Oct 15 19:19:41 grade schools Oct 15 19:19:44 are terrible here. Oct 15 19:19:46 middle schools Oct 15 19:19:51 high schools Oct 15 19:19:51 most children can't even speak english in them Oct 15 19:19:51 Damn straight OccupyBostonpp9 Oct 15 19:20:02 we need an educated population to compete Oct 15 19:20:05 this protest is about the other 99%....i'm not saying anything to exclude ron paul supporters Oct 15 19:20:14 I know thats what i agree with Oct 15 19:20:16 * Occupymymomsbasement (~Occupymym@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 19:20:16 part of that is home life woof Oct 15 19:20:26 obviously zimmermom Oct 15 19:20:42 its about the 99% regardless of who you support Oct 15 19:20:43 my son is 13 and speaks 3 languages fluently Oct 15 19:20:51 he went to public school Oct 15 19:20:58 you can not lump it up Oct 15 19:20:59 and he didnt learn those languages there im sure Oct 15 19:21:10 2 of them he did Oct 15 19:21:11 hey, some public schools are better than others Oct 15 19:21:20 he learned two languages fluently in primary school? wow which school is this? Oct 15 19:21:47 that is the issue we need to standardize schools Oct 15 19:22:06 each gets an equal amout based on population Oct 15 19:22:08 * MediaTent1 (~MediaTent@50.12.rzo.ju) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 19:22:24 quick loss of power but we are back Oct 15 19:22:31 and you feel that should be federally funded? not locally? Oct 15 19:22:36 Good job.... Oct 15 19:22:40 * OccupyBostonpp9 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 19:22:47 * OccupyBostonpp9 (~OccupyBos@v-38-832-969-460.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 19:22:49 Mandarin and english Oct 15 19:22:49 * OccupyBoston698 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 19:22:52 in schools Oct 15 19:23:00 and german at home Oct 15 19:23:07 spricht deutsch? Oct 15 19:23:46 The American Nazi Party supports OWS lol...... http://www.theblaze.com/stories/american-nazi-party-endorses-occupy-wall-streets-courage-tells-members-to-support-protes... Oct 15 19:24:00 * calliope (~calliecha@50.12.ujx.ujy) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 19:24:20 Ja, wir tun Oct 15 19:24:42 Troll...... no feed Oct 15 19:24:57 * JD_PGH (~Storm@cath-90-90-545-595.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 19:25:00 I am totally opposed to federally funded education purely for the maintaining of integrity of education Oct 15 19:25:01 desperation Oct 15 19:25:03 Just some info on the Pittsburgh Occupy. The crowd was estimated between 3500-4000 protesters. They marched around the city stopping at several banks and chanted, then had a speakers session and protest at Market Square. That ended at 3:00PM, then they all march to the Main Occupation point at Mellon Park on 6th Street and Grant. It's a major intersection across from the City-County Building. They were later told that they ca Oct 15 19:25:12 * JD_PGH (~Storm@cath-90-90-545-595.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 15 19:25:13 wir? wer ist wir? Oct 15 19:25:36 **** Pittsburgh**** Oct 15 19:25:50 zimmermom, wir = du und ihr sohn? Oct 15 19:26:35 meine Familie Oct 15 19:27:20 Ja mein Sohn als auch Oct 15 19:27:32 ? Oct 15 19:27:39 * zimmermom has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 19:28:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Lockean: Potential undercover #4 #occupyboston http://t.co/AuBZe6wa - http://twitter.com/helfeather/statuses/125352048676966401 Oct 15 19:28:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @ameliapractice: woman arrested at bank trying to close account http://t.co/oaspqa7Q #occupywallst #occupytheworld #occupyboston #occupytogether - http://twitter.com/ricardocalmet/statuses/125352137243893760 Oct 15 19:28:35 schlechte ubersetzung, wo hast du gelernt Oct 15 19:28:42 * farmerbob (~nobody@pvox-981-5-930-440.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 19:29:11 * Shidash (~Shidash@r-88-461-552-58.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 19:29:19 * OccupyBoston317 (~OccupyBos@fbvl-832-64-735-640.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 19:29:52 zimmermom you have bad translation, where did you learn? also the capitalization makes it appear as if you're using a translator Oct 15 19:29:55 lol Oct 15 19:30:06 ok livestream is on a loop Oct 15 19:30:24 * OccupyBoston317 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 19:30:24 yeah i know is it going to be onlive Oct 15 19:30:34 soon yes Oct 15 19:31:02 ok cool Oct 15 19:31:10 i am anxious to see proposals tonight Oct 15 19:31:15 anxious? Oct 15 19:31:20 dont worry they wont be that bad Theresa Oct 15 19:31:27 * OccupyBoston570 (~OccupyBos@fbvl-832-64-735-640.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 19:31:33 Our GA has wrapped up, I think. March was fantastic. Oct 15 19:31:35 yes many of my friends have some up and i hope they pass Oct 15 19:31:54 * OccupyBoston570 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 19:32:22 but you know how proposals go at GA...they can take forever Oct 15 19:32:41 * OccupyBostonpp9 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 19:32:49 not at the moment Oct 15 19:32:54 What does OB feel about this? http://www.theblaze.com/stories/american-nazi-party-endorses-occupy-wall-streets-courage-tells-members-to-support-protests-and-fight-judeo-capitalist-banksters/ Oct 15 19:33:10 Occupymymomsbasement: indifferent Oct 15 19:33:42 about the same as Woof is how I feel. Oct 15 19:35:15 Theresa what are some of the proposals you and your pals have? Oct 15 19:36:24 * thewanlorn has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 15 19:40:09 * Occupymymomsbasement has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 19:40:56 healthcare as a concensus, no expansion without ga consensus and change on how blocks are handled Oct 15 19:42:29 healthcare as a concensus? Oct 15 19:43:39 * OccupyBoston465 (~OccupyBos@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 19:43:40 yeah one of them is someone who wants to get concensus as an issue that all Occupy Boston can support Oct 15 19:43:46 not sure how that will be recieved Oct 15 19:44:31 sorry about my spelling Oct 15 19:45:01 Hey guys how's the livestream tonight ehh ehh?? Oct 15 19:45:09 solidarity to the occupiers in TIMES SQUARE. Oct 15 19:45:54 oh and the other is a proposal for a new way to run website Oct 15 19:47:51 * OccupyBoston120 (~OccupyBos@t-23-09-9-157.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 19:48:20 * OccupyBoston120 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 19:48:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @ZeeScarlet: Overheard on NYPD scanners: Police authorized to use tear gas. Prepare. Patience. Stay Peaceful. Pray. #ows #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/thedamnyankee2/statuses/125357101118795776 Oct 15 19:48:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @karistodimos: Noam Chomski will join #occupyboston on wednesday at 18:15. Spread the word! #globalchange #ows - http://twitter.com/charlesfrith/statuses/125357207205314560 Oct 15 19:49:46 try to put a piece of paper over the light Oct 15 19:49:55 it might filter the light without blocking the view; Oct 15 19:50:02 if someone can tell the media tent that Oct 15 19:51:43 the light is fine, a lot lighter than previous GAs have been Oct 15 19:51:54 this is, in my opinion, the best set up we've had the entire time Oct 15 19:51:57 no i mean it will not hit the people speaking in the eye Oct 15 19:51:59 i agree with you Oct 15 19:52:14 but if they can't see that might help Oct 15 19:52:34 * OccupyBoston214 (~OccupyBos@ezry-867-9-567-525.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 19:53:07 definitely best set up yet Oct 15 19:54:45 * jproulx (~jon@fxlv.csail.mit.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 19:54:57 Hello! Just a quick note, the livestream mic is picking up lots of extra conversations, keyboard typing and wind. Participants around the taping area might not realize their personal conversations are being streamed live too. :) Oct 15 19:55:38 ok I'm going to ask for all of them to go to the other side Oct 15 19:55:46 brb Oct 15 19:56:20 Thank you! :) Appreciated! Oct 15 19:57:05 * MediaTent1 is now known as MediaTent_Cyris Oct 15 19:57:10 back Oct 15 19:58:04 I hear you saying that! lol! Oct 15 19:59:22 how is livestream Oct 15 19:59:23 ? Oct 15 19:59:28 cant hear anything right now Oct 15 19:59:34 probably not the time to look at this but is there a way to take audio directly from PA rather than seprerate mic? Oct 15 19:59:35 just wind and some music... Oct 15 19:59:50 turn up your laptop Oct 15 19:59:50 oh and yellign now Oct 15 19:59:54 no it isn't that Oct 15 20:00:00 they are yelling off mic Oct 15 20:00:03 thats all Oct 15 20:00:22 it's still easier to hear than when I was down there a few minutes ago in person Oct 15 20:01:07 no its fine now, i didn't realize they were yelling off mic Oct 15 20:01:24 whoa...facists? strong words. Oct 15 20:01:49 can anyone come by to Dewey with a car to get rid of compost please? Oct 15 20:01:55 today or tomrrow will be fine Oct 15 20:03:05 beuler? Oct 15 20:03:19 * OccupyBoston925 (~OccupyBos@b-42-58-608-54.hsd8.co.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 20:03:50 I have not seen numbers from Boston. We had 5000 in Denver Oct 15 20:04:28 * OccupyBoston772 (~OccupyBos@468-3-62-47.c9-0.hdp-ubr3.sbo-hdp.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 20:04:38 * OccupyBoston772 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 20:06:21 * OccupyBoston214 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 20:06:25 * Rango (~Scott@16-448-440-92.dynamic.dsl.as2438.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 20:06:28 * OccupyBoston045 (~OccupyBos@ezry-867-9-567-525.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 20:07:02 I suck at numbers :) Oct 15 20:09:12 nice work getting the GA back on livestream guys Oct 15 20:09:14 thank you Oct 15 20:09:22 to whomever thanks is due Oct 15 20:09:28 Well 200,000 in Rome today....Something is blowing in the wind... Oct 15 20:09:44 * OccupyBoston925 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 20:09:50 * OccupyBoston662 (~OccupyBos@b-42-58-608-54.hsd8.co.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 20:09:57 * OccupyBoston386 (~OccupyBos@c-21-665-035-067.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 20:10:13 * OccupyBoston662 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 20:10:39 * OccupyBoston386 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 20:11:08 * OccupyBoston096 (~OccupyBos@ymed-02-65-44-337.nys.biz.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 20:11:25 * OccupyBoston096 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 20:11:54 * freddie` has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 15 20:12:14 once again, can anyone come help us with a car so we can get rid of some compost? Oct 15 20:14:12 where does it go? Oct 15 20:14:26 yeah you might want to be a bit more specific with that... Oct 15 20:14:43 you're basically saying "hey who wants to come down here so we can fill your car with garbage" Oct 15 20:14:48 is the live feed down? Oct 15 20:14:52 precisely Oct 15 20:14:55 * jim (~jim@tdzt-486-58-04-0.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 20:15:03 i mean, thats basically what we need Oct 15 20:15:04 hahah Oct 15 20:15:13 a truck would be better Oct 15 20:15:17 nevermind...it is just testy Oct 15 20:15:20 yes. a truck would be better. Oct 15 20:15:32 LOL I would be down to remove some compost tomorrow Oct 15 20:15:38 * OccupyBoston045 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 20:15:54 * axb21 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 15 20:15:59 whatare the streaming urls? Oct 15 20:16:03 i might be too if i had somewhere to bring it Oct 15 20:16:21 * marxistvegan (~marxistve@awqw-124-7-71-492.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 20:16:57 yeah. i'd go in on a uhaul pickup truck. Oct 15 20:17:19 * jim has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 20:17:37 hey all Oct 15 20:17:42 true Oct 15 20:17:45 howdy Oct 15 20:17:54 hi Oct 15 20:18:15 who's been taking it so far? Oct 15 20:18:37 if you have a large load, i'd seriously be willing to get a uhaul pickup truck... Oct 15 20:18:38 i dont really no Oct 15 20:19:47 i have a cherokee and i don't mind filling the back up with trash bags as long as i have somewhere to take it and it's not unnecessarily gross Oct 15 20:19:51 * hungrymofo (~hungrymof@68-27-92-11.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 20:20:24 MediaTent_Cyris: awesome actually meeting you today Oct 15 20:20:25 a uhaul pickup is only like 30 bucks thogh Oct 15 20:20:29 im hungry for food, where can i go to get some help with food? Oct 15 20:20:38 Anyone know a good DUI attorney in maryland? Oct 15 20:20:38 is live stream skippy for other too or is it just me? Oct 15 20:21:10 nah it's kind of janky here too Oct 15 20:21:56 here too keeps going out Oct 15 20:22:13 If you are hungry they are giving out food on site Dewey Square Oct 15 20:22:13 * hungrymofo has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 20:23:11 hey theresa did i hear you on 96.9 the other day or was that someone else? Oct 15 20:23:18 marxistvegan, yes, it is always interesting ACTUALLY meeting people form IRC Oct 15 20:23:25 There is no food on IRC. you have to grow it, buy it, steal it, or ask for it at the food tent :-P Oct 15 20:23:29 only have done in a couple of times Oct 15 20:23:30 19.50 Oct 15 20:24:04 * OccupyBoston729 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 20:24:09 We're going to need bodies here in Worcester. Apparently, there are people who are going to occupy starting at tomorrow's GA. Oct 15 20:24:41 how is the livestream? Oct 15 20:24:46 this live feed in times square is awesome. things got really tense earlier. nypd cop (white shirt) jumped in, pushed his guys back. everybody chilled. Oct 15 20:24:48 OccupyWorcester: Awesome! Oct 15 20:25:03 the live feed keeps interrupting Oct 15 20:25:35 MediaTent_Cyris yeah on for 15 sec off for 5 or so ... Oct 15 20:25:36 * jessabobo (~jessabobo@pvos-81-93-145-691.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 20:25:43 uallach: 19.50 for a uhaul pickup. Oct 15 20:25:54 * jessabobo has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 20:25:55 I wish Ariel would call me back. Oct 15 20:25:59 farmerbob what TimesSQ feed are you looking at Oct 15 20:26:02 MediaTent_Cyris: if we can find out where to take the compost, we can arrange to have it picked up. Oct 15 20:26:09 * freddie (~freddie@sgkp-481-0-082-511.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 20:26:09 ok working on livestream Oct 15 20:26:17 hm, usually I can watch the stream on my phone Oct 15 20:26:18 jproulx: reuters: http://live.reuters.com/Event/Occupy_Wall_Street2 Oct 15 20:27:08 but now it says no mobile compatible stream Oct 15 20:28:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Lockean: Potential undercover #4 #occupyboston http://t.co/AuBZe6wa - http://twitter.com/snyder561/statuses/125367215460593664 Oct 15 20:28:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Lockean: Definitely undercover. Radios + taunts. #occupyboston http://t.co/cTjY6y48 - http://twitter.com/mattmdiaz/statuses/125367216559493120 Oct 15 20:30:36 the nyc stream is being weird too Oct 15 20:31:17 yeah. just started flaking. Oct 15 20:32:06 i get a pause every twenty/thirty seconds. Oct 15 20:32:30 * ZanzibarMan (~ZanzibarM@ezry-951-59-26-71.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 20:33:18 hmm Oct 15 20:33:24 let me check on this Oct 15 20:33:36 wait. what's the url for the livestream? Oct 15 20:33:55 never mind. sorry. Oct 15 20:34:19 * Shidash has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 15 20:34:30 yeah. nyc/boston feeds are doing the same thing...maybe it's livestream? Oct 15 20:34:57 ignore me. seems fine now. Oct 15 20:35:14 I bet they are stressed, lots of popular feeds tonight! Oct 15 20:35:33 livestream should be fixed Oct 15 20:35:35 for sure. Oct 15 20:35:44 seems smoother Oct 15 20:35:45 MediaTent_Cyris: looks great. Oct 15 20:38:10 great Oct 15 20:38:12 thank you Oct 15 20:38:34 MediaTent_Cyris: thank *you*! Oct 15 20:40:15 so about the compost Oct 15 20:40:19 any takers? hahha Oct 15 20:40:19 * Angry has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 15 20:40:48 preferably a truck Oct 15 20:41:25 MediaTent_Cyris: where does the compost go? Oct 15 20:41:34 i do not know yet Oct 15 20:41:35 * Rango has quit (Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com) Oct 15 20:41:41 MediaTent_Cyris: i could try to get a uhaul pickup if i know where to take it. Oct 15 20:41:44 but i have someone who know Oct 15 20:41:50 i have to call him Oct 15 20:42:03 * OccupyBoston091 (~OccupyBos@e-13-26-252-721.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 20:42:09 * thewanlorn (~thewanlor@t-407-46-74-5.hsd4.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 20:43:46 MediaTent_Cyris: ok. let me know. Oct 15 20:44:06 we need to find a farm that can take it Oct 15 20:44:24 can anyone get into contact with an area that will be willing to take a donation? Oct 15 20:45:18 MediaTent_Cyris: maybe the backbay fens gardens? Oct 15 20:45:34 MediaTent_Cyris: probably not... Oct 15 20:46:42 i am writing this down and we will look into it Oct 15 20:46:44 thank you Oct 15 20:46:51 anymore ideas will be great Oct 15 20:46:56 * calliope has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 15 20:48:02 livestream will e back up in a sec Oct 15 20:48:07 someone dun goofed Oct 15 20:48:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @YourAnonNews: RT @teemraye: The difference in police behavior at #occupychicago vs #occupywallstreet, #occupyboston, #occupydenver is insane. - http://twitter.com/dementednetman/statuses/125372281001222144 Oct 15 20:48:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @ANP14: Why the American Nazi Party supports #OWS http://t.co/eNqZCL6v #occupywallst #occupyseattle #occupywallstreet #occupyboston #OccupyDenver - http://twitter.com/therealzache/statuses/125372330233966592 Oct 15 20:49:25 how is livestream? Oct 15 20:49:31 * OccupyBoston465 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 20:49:57 im watching live stream with no problem...talking about the finance commitee Oct 15 20:50:04 http://bootstrapcompost.com/ Oct 15 20:51:03 MediaTent_Cyris: seems fine. want me to check with this composting company? Oct 15 20:51:16 * OccupyBoston (~OccupyBos@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 20:51:57 farmerbob, please Oct 15 20:52:12 MediaTent_Cyris: will do. Oct 15 20:52:23 farmerbob, thank you Oct 15 20:52:41 Does anybody here live (or know anybody who lives) very closeby to Dewey Sq? Oct 15 20:53:01 not at the moment, but i am at Dewey now Oct 15 20:53:09 maybe why? Oct 15 20:53:53 the Tech group is looking for people who living within line of sight to the camp, and are interested in helping out with internet. Oct 15 20:53:58 live* Oct 15 20:54:48 that is, letting the livestream piggyback off their internet connection Oct 15 20:55:08 * OccupyBoston091 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 20:55:23 ok live close, but not that close Oct 15 20:55:32 are there any residences in line of sight? pretty office canyon like down there (modulo an expensive hotel or two) Oct 15 20:55:54 we're looking for within 2 or 3 blocks Oct 15 20:56:37 * OccupyBoston018 (~OccupyBos@e-57-470-68-21.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 20:56:42 Somebody in here mentioned they lived right over the square earlier today, I think Oct 15 20:56:51 brandon, i am not really sure about this Oct 15 20:57:19 brandon, ANY WOrd on who? Oct 15 20:57:22 sorry caps Oct 15 20:57:37 I don't recall Oct 15 20:57:46 MediaTent_Cyris: what's your concern? Oct 15 20:59:11 * OccupyBoston509 (~OccupyBos@e-13-26-252-721.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 20:59:30 MediaTent_Cyris: i emailed a couple of farms and one business. i know a guy on a farm up north, but i don't have current contact info. if you hear where they've been taking it, that would be great. Oct 15 20:59:52 farmerbob, PM me Oct 15 21:00:20 * Houndish2 (~Houndish@jjlr-04-907-443-60.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:00:20 * Tracy_home (~trcmoscat@n-88-852-260-257.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:01:21 * Tracy_home_ (~trcmoscat@a-19-263-330-778.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:01:30 * rick (~rick@tdzt-486-58-04-0.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:01:46 hello Oct 15 21:01:55 * Houndish has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 15 21:02:37 * rick has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 21:02:55 How is everyone? Oct 15 21:03:37 * OccupyBoston509 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 21:03:40 * OccupyBoston887 (~OccupyBos@e-13-26-252-721.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:04:24 * Tracy_home has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 15 21:04:24 * Tracy_home_ is now known as Tracy_home Oct 15 21:04:36 * jproulx has quit (Quit: leaving) Oct 15 21:05:46 livesream down Oct 15 21:05:51 * OccupyBoston397 (~OccupyBos@y-04-996-6-57.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:06:29 hi theresa Oct 15 21:06:41 Hi :) Oct 15 21:06:58 Hi Tracy_home Oct 15 21:07:02 * kizmut -=Stream is offline with 124 viewers. at http://livestream.com/occupyboston Oct 15 21:07:07 * OccupyBoston397 is now known as locke Oct 15 21:07:08 Tracy_home: great meeting you in person today Oct 15 21:07:09 hello! Oct 15 21:07:09 * OccupyBoston018 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 15 21:07:44 Same here Marxist. We'll see each other a lot there. Oct 15 21:08:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Cops threatening to clear a park or start arresting at #OccupyBoston. Which park? - http://twitter.com/JeremyBThompson/statuses/125377352074149888 Oct 15 21:08:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @kurtismarsh: Dear #occupyboston. #ROLLTIDE - http://twitter.com/Smalltalkwitht/statuses/125377386727473152 Oct 15 21:08:36 certainly :) Oct 15 21:08:49 * MediaTent_Cyris has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 15 21:10:25 if anybody knows christian (really just his email address) could you pm me? Oct 15 21:10:38 * OccupyBoston382 (~OccupyBos@ezry-867-9-567-525.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:10:56 guess the ninnernet is down at dewey? Oct 15 21:11:59 * kizmut -=Stream is LIVE with 122 viewers. at http://livestream.com/occupyboston Oct 15 21:12:56 ah. sorry. got this weird OFFLINE thing. Oct 15 21:12:59 now it's good. Oct 15 21:13:50 * OccupyBoston060 (~OccupyBos@s-33-314-756-62.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:14:02 where are the protesters right now in boston? I'm thinking of going down there Oct 15 21:14:08 anyone know? Oct 15 21:14:37 Anyone watching the live stream did the tech working group proposal pass? Oct 15 21:14:47 * OccupyBoston887 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 21:15:39 OccupyBoston060 same place dewey square just outside the doors of south station Oct 15 21:15:53 marxistvegan: i think it's still a discussion about the finance committee/disbursements. Oct 15 21:16:14 * OccupyBoston636 (~OccupyBos@548-567-041-12.c7-2.nwt-ubr2.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:16:22 farmerbob: thanks :) Oct 15 21:16:37 * OccupyBoston636 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 21:17:21 * OccupyBoston705 (~OccupyBos@548-567-041-12.c7-2.nwt-ubr2.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:17:31 I respect what you're doing. Oct 15 21:17:32 * OccupyBostonBuddhist (~OccupyBos@w-01-94-961-91.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:17:59 $100 week for flyers Oct 15 21:18:22 Hey OW you still here? Oct 15 21:18:38 I myself have been part of protests, but I have to stay what you're doing is illegal. You have not sought a police permit and defied orders to clear the square. Oct 15 21:19:11 You shouldn't be surprised at the recent arrests, and shouldn't blame it on the honorable BPD. Oct 15 21:19:51 Yes OB705....and we didn't blame the British for anti-colonial terrorism either. The people's right to free assembly should not be infringed upon. Oct 15 21:20:28 * Scott (~Scott@16-448-440-92.dynamic.dsl.as2438.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:20:38 Under state law, you cannot stage a protest without a police permit and the city's consent. Oct 15 21:21:10 I know you're trying to make a difference, but you have to do it the right way to have credibility. Oct 15 21:21:21 * Caper (~Caper@d-57-43-576-75.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:21:23 And under the U.S. Constitution, which supercedes, a State cannot issue a law which countermands the Constitution. Oct 15 21:21:31 Capitalism: Your fall is coming. Oct 15 21:21:37 OccupyBoston705: you should go down to dewey and share your advice with the general assembly. Oct 15 21:21:50 How do I get to dewey? Oct 15 21:22:04 Red Line to South Station, 705 Oct 15 21:22:13 red line to south station. walk out of the station. hard to miss. Oct 15 21:23:01 Thank you Oct 15 21:23:20 * OccupyBoston705 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 21:23:39 So...who was down in Dewey today? Oct 15 21:23:50 * Meyers (~Meyers@53-701-269-47.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:23:54 * Tracy_home has quit (Quit: Tracy_home) Oct 15 21:24:20 * Meyers has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 21:24:29 I was there from like noon to 6ish Oct 15 21:25:02 ah cool...I was there from 1 to 5. Raising the rabble during the fundamentalist soapbox Oct 15 21:25:29 OccupyBostonBuddhist: cool I was mostly over by the media tent Oct 15 21:25:44 I need to setup a couple classes for FSU Oct 15 21:25:48 * MediaTent (~MediaTent@50.12.rzo.ju) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:25:48 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to MediaTent Oct 15 21:26:00 * OccupyWorcester has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 15 21:26:03 yay, MediaTent Oct 15 21:26:03 * MediaTent is now known as MediaTent_Cyris Oct 15 21:26:03 ah cool. Quite the protest over at that end Oct 15 21:26:51 how is livestream Oct 15 21:27:04 * OccupyWorcester (~OccupyWor@84-687-114-238.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:27:04 * OccupyBoston902 (~OccupyBos@jjqb-21-506-016-557.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:27:12 If anyone is interested, there will be a (yet unannounced) Tibetan Buddhist compassion meditation and chant....Tues 10/18, 5pm, Spirituality tent Oct 15 21:27:12 MediaTent_Cyris: livestreaming. Oct 15 21:27:15 looks good. Oct 15 21:27:39 @Media is livestream live now? Oct 15 21:27:42 cool Oct 15 21:27:46 yes Oct 15 21:27:53 * Ard2 (~shl@z-23-13-385-225.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:27:57 Cool! Thanks Media! Oct 15 21:28:03 Np Oct 15 21:28:12 Got a tweet earlier about arrests....true? Oct 15 21:28:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #BostonGA "I am from North Carolina & this is the 1st time I've seen #occupy mvmt... I am truly happier than I have ever been" #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/MarlaMarcum/statuses/125382306243424256 Oct 15 21:28:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @MarlaMarcum: #BostonGA "I am from North Carolina & this is the 1st time I've seen #occupy mvmt... I am truly happier than I have ever been" #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/Lockean/statuses/125382394147639296 Oct 15 21:28:38 tose tweets are flas Oct 15 21:28:43 false* Oct 15 21:29:22 it was really weird seeing Deval Patrick there today took me by surprise not sure if I like it Oct 15 21:30:23 * ZanzibarMan has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 21:30:28 * OccupyBoston650 (~OccupyBos@f-33-851-33-762.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:30:36 * OccupyBoston650 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 21:30:50 Well at least if Patrick is there, arrests prolly won't occur. As an "unlawful" protest, they'd have to arrest him too...lol Oct 15 21:31:05 * Ard2 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 21:31:07 When the heck is Obama gonna get to OWS??? Oct 15 21:32:34 OccupyBostonBuddhist: I am not sure how I feel about that either as long as it is just observing and not circumventing it I guess it's ok Oct 15 21:32:41 Or any of the 100+ OWs? Oct 15 21:33:24 maybe Obama will show up at OWS with the American nazi party. lol Oct 15 21:33:39 LOL...how will we tell the difference? Oct 15 21:33:51 J/K...kinda Oct 15 21:34:30 * Siethe (~Siethe@z-23-13-385-225.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:34:39 * OccupyBoston188 (~OccupyBos@whmg-65-33-27-292.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:34:49 what are you guys doing? Oct 15 21:35:00 here in occupy boston.....seemskind of random Oct 15 21:35:01 livestream :) Oct 15 21:35:18 hey 188 have you looked at the calendar? Oct 15 21:35:28 yes Oct 15 21:35:32 The GA is random....each evening. Oct 15 21:35:37 are you going to do anything in Harvard? Oct 15 21:35:42 near harvard? Oct 15 21:35:48 because that'll be easier for me Oct 15 21:35:53 hmmmm...you mean Occupy Cambridge? Oct 15 21:35:55 * OccupyBoston902 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 21:36:14 188 are you serious? Oct 15 21:36:23 what do you mean Caper? Oct 15 21:36:36 I live in Arlington, and go to Boston. Oct 15 21:36:44 to make it easier for you? Oct 15 21:36:57 No I mean if you were doing anything near there Oct 15 21:36:59 Moreover, the OWers are LIVING there...not easy for them at all. They are true patriots Oct 15 21:37:07 oops....OBers Oct 15 21:37:27 ?? :D Oct 15 21:38:32 there are many local groups popping up all over but I think they are mostly locally genearated and organized.... Oct 15 21:39:17 even here on Cape Cod...I believe PTown is organzing for tomorrow or may have had thiers today Oct 15 21:39:19 All of them are grass roots, Caper Oct 15 21:39:24 Caper: if heard today that some are thinking of organizing an OccupyQuincy which would be cool Oct 15 21:39:58 Quincy House at Harvard Marxistvegan? Oct 15 21:40:01 People trying to close their accounts at citi bank arrested! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH3kiaJ1-c8&sns=em Oct 15 21:40:04 they began in Falmouth earlier this week, hyannis on friday Oct 15 21:40:12 something happened to the sound Oct 15 21:40:24 OccupyBoston188 no no the town of Quincy Oct 15 21:40:30 llol Oct 15 21:40:50 http://www.presstv.ir/detail/204188.html <-----Good article Oct 15 21:41:20 I'm going to organize #OccupySirte....anybody want to join me? Oct 15 21:42:05 OccupyBoston188 though of course I would love to see each campus have small ones too and spill over into different neighborhoods in Boston, Cambridge and Somerville Oct 15 21:42:07 here is a video ffrom Hyannis on Friday: http://barnstable-hyannis.patch.com/articles/video-senator-dan-wolf-shows-solidarity-with-occupy-movement#video-8122364 Oct 15 21:42:25 * Tracy_home (~trcmoscat@a-19-263-330-778.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:42:41 Any takers for #OccupySirte in Libya? Oct 15 21:42:41 * freddie` (~freddie@sgkp-481-0-082-511.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:42:53 I think Sen. Wolf is speaking now at GA...he is featured on that link Oct 15 21:43:06 hey guys, something happened that i can hear you guys but they aren't as clear? Oct 15 21:43:24 Any takers for #OccupySirte in Libya? Oct 15 21:43:35 Any takers for #OccupySirte in Libya? Oct 15 21:43:46 Any takers for #OccupySirte in Libya? Oct 15 21:43:59 sorry Oct 15 21:44:00 lag Oct 15 21:44:08 OccupyBoston188, libya needs to occupy itself first Oct 15 21:44:11 no was wrong Oct 15 21:44:24 * freddie has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 15 21:45:25 Hi devious Oct 15 21:45:34 my feet hurt so much Oct 15 21:45:43 * Caper has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 21:45:48 Gen: It was nice meeting you. Oct 15 21:45:53 You in Hunterkll? Oct 15 21:45:55 likewise Oct 15 21:45:59 * kizmut -=Stream is offline with 111 viewers. at http://livestream.com/occupyboston Oct 15 21:46:03 streams offline Oct 15 21:46:07 @Hunterkll are you in? Oct 15 21:46:27 OccupyBoston188, sure, give me weapons, aircraft, a small military contingent, and we'll see what I can do Oct 15 21:46:32 GenKreton: dang missed meeting you Oct 15 21:46:53 i can't guarantee your safety at all..... in fact, we'll probably both be killed Oct 15 21:46:59 * kizmut -=Stream is LIVE with 103 viewers @ http://livestream.com/occupyboston Oct 15 21:47:17 OccupyBoston188, you provide money for a passport and a foreign life, then.... yes. i'll join you. meet me in person, in maryland, USA Oct 15 21:48:12 * OccupyBostonBuddhist has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 21:48:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @radicaloptimist: We are siblings of destiny coming together to recognize the light in each other. #yogiwisdom #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/KerrBearO6O9/statuses/125387188430053376 Oct 15 21:48:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @ali Really? I am sure this is all real but I can't find a thing about this food drive that 's not in connection with #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/cinnamngrl/statuses/125387214233415680 Oct 15 21:48:38 * Buddhist108 (~Buddhist1@w-01-94-961-91.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:48:57 * Buddhist108 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 21:49:28 * Buddhist108 (~Buddhist1@w-01-94-961-91.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:49:36 lol Oct 15 21:49:46 No. Oct 15 21:49:47 you come to libya on your own terms.... Oct 15 21:49:48 Seriously Oct 15 21:50:02 I have PME and willing to PCS to Libya for a PMC Oct 15 21:50:17 mainly we've just been giving out food people donate as they will. Oct 15 21:50:37 our story will be like a COD video game Oct 15 21:50:39 MediaTent_Cyris, how does i shot donate? Oct 15 21:50:53 OccupyBoston188, if you understood half of those acronyms, you might be former military. Oct 15 21:51:01 * OccupyBoston402 (~OccupyBos@g-54-941-964-76.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:51:16 fighting both the loyalists and NTC forces :D Oct 15 21:51:17 Umm its as simple as just dropping it off at the movement some people don't even leave their car. Oct 15 21:51:20 marxistvegan: sorry man :( Oct 15 21:51:27 marxistvegan: I'll be there pretty much every day! Oct 15 21:51:28 MediaTent_Cyris, i'm not in your state. Oct 15 21:51:50 GenKreton: no worries :) I'll be there on monday likely what time you there? Oct 15 21:52:03 umm i'll ask someone and answer when i get one but check for occupies in your state also. Oct 15 21:52:04 marxistvegan: after work so I'm not sure when just yet Oct 15 21:52:05 ocupy cambridge! Oct 15 21:52:19 MediaTent_Cyris, i'm familiar with occupy DC, but i'm looking to spread out $ donations Oct 15 21:52:27 Hay why's the guy up there wearing a Guy Fawks mask? Oct 15 21:52:29 so that we all get a fair shot Oct 15 21:52:33 omg 108, take the T two stops! Oct 15 21:52:36 so did anything important happen today with the occupy movements outside of boston? I've been too busy at camp to hear much Oct 15 21:52:45 #occupySirte #OccupyGhana #OccupySierraLeonne #OccupyEthiopia Oct 15 21:52:50 70 arrested in rome. Oct 15 21:52:57 nyc occupied times sq. Oct 15 21:53:02 kizmut: the guy fawkes masks were popularized by chaners (specificially 4chan) and the subsequent group called anonymous Oct 15 21:53:10 OccupyBoston188, paypal me $2,000 and i'll find my way to your country. Oct 15 21:53:10 Does anybody want to come with me to #OccupySirte or #OccupySomalia ? Oct 15 21:53:11 :) Oct 15 21:53:18 farmerbob: thats big getting times square Oct 15 21:53:35 GenKreton: not sure what the current status is. but it was pretty busy earlier. Oct 15 21:53:42 thanks! Oct 15 21:53:45 no Hunterkll I have to save my money up for ammo :D Oct 15 21:53:46 big demonstrations in germany. Oct 15 21:53:57 but rome might have got out of hand. Oct 15 21:54:04 Well considering Times Square is a pedestrian mall...not as big as other OWs Oct 15 21:54:45 Buddhist108: to be honest some of the most successful marching is through the biggest tourist and consumer areas Oct 15 21:54:52 it really increases the visibility of the movement Oct 15 21:54:54 OccupyBoston188, good luck in texas, buddy \o/ Oct 15 21:55:09 * Tracy_home (~trcmoscat@a-19-263-330-778.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 15 21:55:10 Hey on a side note if anyone has a projector and can donate occupy boston could use it. Oct 15 21:55:19 yes that's true GenK Oct 15 21:55:24 Move groups off Facebook too. Oct 15 21:55:26 Good point Oct 15 21:56:00 I was hoping to brin a projector for the weekend.. but I couldn't make it. Oct 15 21:56:04 GenKreton: like, say, newbury? Oct 15 21:56:04 My ride fell through. Oct 15 21:56:09 farmerbob: exactly Oct 15 21:56:14 * OccupyBoston402 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 21:56:14 newbury was great today Oct 15 21:56:16 well anytime you can is fine Oct 15 21:56:18 people's faces were priceless Oct 15 21:56:21 GenKreton: yes. awesome. Oct 15 21:56:21 I will be sure to bring one. Oct 15 21:56:27 where are you kizmut Oct 15 21:56:33 Brockton Oct 15 21:56:34 although I think we learned a lesson, always march WITH traffic Oct 15 21:56:38 it was messy going between cars Oct 15 21:56:39 * YerAllDumb (~YerAllDum@q-35-442-81-759.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:56:41 lol@GenK Oct 15 21:56:41 ok ok Oct 15 21:56:46 Yer all dumb Oct 15 21:56:49 GenKreton: nah. no bigs. Oct 15 21:56:53 * GenKreton sets ban on YerAllDumb!*@* Oct 15 21:56:54 * GenKreton has kicked YerAllDumb from #occupyboston (YerAllDumb) Oct 15 21:56:59 thanks for thinking of it kizmut Oct 15 21:57:09 * OccupyBoston382 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 21:57:10 It is 350 watts Oct 15 21:57:12 that was an unfair kick. thought the last comment was insightful. Oct 15 21:57:13 Seriously, does anybody want to join #OccupySomalia? Oct 15 21:57:23 One concern was that it might overload the circuit. Oct 15 21:57:31 * GenKreton removes ban on YerAllDumb!*@* Oct 15 21:57:49 It is a large and very powerful projector. Oct 15 21:57:49 OccupyBoston188, i'm seriously offering prior military experiance to help. if that's not what you want.. it comes at a price. i'll provide credentials for half payment. Oct 15 21:57:52 kizmut: we have a bike generator again Oct 15 21:58:03 okay Oct 15 21:58:17 3 people at it can easily pu tout 350 watts Oct 15 21:58:21 * Buddhist108 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 21:58:28 No Hunterkll I have no money Oct 15 21:58:31 I am looking into borrong a Verizon access point as well. Oct 15 21:58:35 borrowing rather Oct 15 21:58:39 * Buddhist108 (~Buddhist1@w-01-94-961-91.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 21:58:57 But you could do it out of the good of your heart! Oct 15 22:01:19 so what's on everyones mind Oct 15 22:01:33 The occupations are...... Oct 15 22:01:49 MediaTent_Cyris, figuring out how to support you all on possibly future restricted license (as in, all the occupys in the local 500mi area, not just you guys) Oct 15 22:01:54 This media tent http://www.theblaze.com/stories/american-nazi-party-endorses-occupy-wall-streets-courage-tells-members-to-support-protests-and-fight-judeo-capitalist-banksters/comment-page-2/?corder=desc#comments Oct 15 22:02:03 looks bbad Oct 15 22:02:39 Looks like a ploy...... Oct 15 22:02:41 * OccupyBoston910 (~OccupyBos@s-19-288-6-886.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 22:02:59 Fuck the American nazi party...... Oct 15 22:03:10 Can I submit an amendment? Oct 15 22:03:10 hello group Oct 15 22:03:10 not sure how i missed that one while reading the blaze today. i generally read it twice or thrice daily. Oct 15 22:04:10 * OccupyBoston060 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 22:04:16 * OccupyBoston091 (~OccupyBos@dccz-33-363-03-68.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 22:04:30 * OccupyBoston091 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 22:04:31 I recommend we move groups off facebook to the mailing list. Oct 15 22:04:36 * OccupyBoston102 (~OccupyBos@dccz-33-363-03-68.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 22:04:43 To the leaders:Has it ever occurred to you that you could be forcibly evicted? Oct 15 22:04:46 * OccupyBoston102 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 22:04:48 we don't want the Nazi parties support Oct 15 22:04:49 lol leaders Oct 15 22:05:18 OccupyBoston188- We get forcibly removed we get more attention from those sheltered by the MSM Oct 15 22:05:33 we think about forceful eviction a lot and we are working on strategies to avoid it and course of action following one Oct 15 22:06:27 later dudes. Oct 15 22:06:27 need to STOP thinking about CONFRONTATION with police, because then you'll just find a way to manifest it... just sayin. Oct 15 22:06:59 The police want you to fight them........ Oct 15 22:07:01 * farmerbob has quit (Quit: leaving) Oct 15 22:07:06 really. Oct 15 22:07:10 explain. Oct 15 22:07:54 If the protesters fight with police it gives them an excuse to clear the occupation...... Oct 15 22:08:10 the police here have mostly been polite except for one incident. Oct 15 22:08:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @AyeshaKazmi: Great photo RT @TheRealKeori Going across generations. Father and child at #occupyboston #hope http://t.co/INVIOUU9 - http://twitter.com/DesignLineXLine/statuses/125392373571264513 Oct 15 22:08:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @joyamarisa If you get arrested so will I. I don't business with banks who say no. #ows #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/ZeeScarlet/statuses/125392460577914882 Oct 15 22:09:03 the police today were fantastic Oct 15 22:09:21 I was with a tiny group of occupies today meeting with the police captain and 2 other officers Oct 15 22:09:31 discussing how to make their job easier during the march Oct 15 22:09:41 * max (~max@dccz-33-363-03-68.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 22:10:20 hi all. i just left my bike lock opposite the ghandi statue. if someone could hold it for me it would great. will be back tomorrow. give call at 802 379 5871 Oct 15 22:10:24 we don't need to worry about the police, we need to worry about the corporate donors pulling on the leashes of their paid for politicians to send orders to the police to get us Oct 15 22:10:47 was some understanding gained with the police? Oct 15 22:11:43 things have been improving all week Oct 15 22:11:47 i applaud you then GenKreton for doing it right Oct 15 22:11:49 ANYONE HERE FROM TECH/LOGISTICS? Oct 15 22:12:05 OccupyWorcester: Tech what's up Oct 15 22:12:55 * Scott has quit (Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com) Oct 15 22:13:20 Has there been any anti-Semitism down at OB? Oct 15 22:13:31 I have witnessed none Oct 15 22:13:46 Fight the police! Oct 15 22:14:17 Fight the police with ideas....... Oct 15 22:14:17 * OccupyBoston188 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 15 22:14:21 we have had several chants about education not just being for the rich and white, and on the wall there is a large document posted about how the issues we raise disproportionately affect african americans and people of color (the title is almost exactly that) Oct 15 22:15:13 I know there has been in NY and LA thats why Iam asking. Oct 15 22:16:03 we've been specifically trying to reach out to dorchester, roxbury, and mattapan to diversify our movement Oct 15 22:16:36 I'm actually black and have been all my life Oct 15 22:16:39 OccupyBoston: yesterday Dr John Carlos spoke, the was one of two olympians in 1968 to give the black power salute receiving his medal Oct 15 22:16:42 There have been attempts to diversify in New York....... Oct 15 22:17:09 MediaTent_Cyris: not something new? haha Oct 15 22:17:24 MediaTent_Cyris: I should step inside the media tent sometime soon and meet you Oct 15 22:17:34 by all means Oct 15 22:17:36 Your whole life, lol Oct 15 22:17:42 * Shidash (~Shidash@r-88-461-552-58.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 22:17:59 Well i wanted to start as an underdog and work my way up Oct 15 22:18:08 OccupyBoston do you mean anti-zionism? Oct 15 22:18:29 that's different... Oct 15 22:18:40 Cyris that funny Oct 15 22:19:16 ok has there be any anti-zionism then? Oct 15 22:20:00 there are people who do believe strongly in the rights of the palestinians Oct 15 22:20:27 * OccupyBoston620 (~OccupyBos@vw-044-29-03-95.dsl.nyc.megapath.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 22:20:28 and there are people who strongly feel we should not be sending our tax money on helping israel kill people Oct 15 22:20:32 true definitely true GenKreton Oct 15 22:21:00 as a former military you are somewhat misrepresenting the facts Oct 15 22:21:20 * max has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 22:21:23 and when i say former i mean last month Oct 15 22:21:25 Well being jewish I think anti-zionism is the same as anti-Semitism. Oct 15 22:21:33 so i know current status Oct 15 22:21:50 OccupyBoston: there are dozens of jews at the camp who disagree with you Oct 15 22:22:00 jewish labor is represented and camping Oct 15 22:22:16 definitely Oct 15 22:22:25 * GeoBos (~geobos@v-45-93-566-044.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 22:22:35 we even have a sukkah at the camp, OccupyBoston Oct 15 22:24:00 Thats cool Oct 15 22:24:22 * AP (~AP@344-2-88-86.c7-2.smr-ubr7.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 22:25:08 we have a lot of variety and i've personally learned alot Oct 15 22:25:08 * OccupyBoston679 (~OccupyBos@dccz-03-50-062-994.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 22:25:17 OccupyBoston: you should come check camp out and discuss the issue with them Oct 15 22:25:49 can anyone tell me if there is an interfaith service happening tomorrow at 3pm? It is on the faith and spirituality working group's page but not on the big calendar. Oct 15 22:25:53 * GeoBos has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 22:26:17 coming into city tomorrow. Is there a list of needs for the camp? Oct 15 22:26:18 * GeoBos (~geobos@v-45-93-566-044.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 22:26:30 Are you sleeping in it? Oct 15 22:26:34 if anyone has any questions regarding a lot of new information New York city has a lot of information, you can also go on the website to find out any info new and old, thanks guys Oct 15 22:27:01 * OccupyBoston998 (~OccupyBos@894-2-79-538.c3-1.abr-ubr5.sbo-abr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 22:27:06 no -- just for the day. Oct 15 22:27:09 AP: the page they have on wikispaces? Oct 15 22:27:12 oh yeah.. occupyboston.org points to the same page as occupyboston.com Oct 15 22:27:30 yes Oct 15 22:27:41 * OccupyBoston998 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 22:27:45 * OccupyBoston620 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 15 22:27:47 W e are definitely going to need a boatload of blankets Oct 15 22:27:53 AP: I'll try and confirm it but wikispaces is a lot easier for them to update than the big calendar Oct 15 22:28:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @karistodimos: Noam Chomski will join #occupyboston on wednesday at 18:15. Spread the word! #globalchange #ows - http://twitter.com/AnonPierate/statuses/125397333591605249 Oct 15 22:28:32 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @gregosebaianos: SHAME! Bank of America #OccupyBoston #globalchange #October15 http://t.co/MDJMGyiH #OWS - http://twitter.com/ACanada2/statuses/125397414306775040 Oct 15 22:28:38 ok, good to know, thanks! Oct 15 22:28:46 Chomsky is coming out! fffff Oct 15 22:29:24 * Shidash has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 15 22:30:23 A possible blanket source is hotels and motels. I've called a dozen or so, but haven't hit paydirt yet. I also called the local civil defense org, and struck out there. I got a dozen or so from a thrift store. Everybody should call places like that in their area to see if they can scrounge up any Oct 15 22:31:05 Maybe moving blankets from a truckikng company? Oct 15 22:31:09 good idea -- I'll try that. Oct 15 22:31:20 People are going to need winter sleeping bags!!! Oct 15 22:32:22 Yes, but we'll never get any for free. Three or four big garbage bags inside one another with a cheap sleeping bag inside them will keep you from freezing to death Oct 15 22:32:34 definitely. Drop off any cold weather gear you have. Oct 15 22:32:59 Call pine street inn. They give out blankets, maybe find out where they get them. Oct 15 22:33:01 are tarps still needed? Oct 15 22:33:02 People who ice fish sometimes use catalytic heaters for their buldings Oct 15 22:33:19 tarps are always helpful Oct 15 22:33:27 I'm extremely paranoid about heaters and fire in these spaces Oct 15 22:34:04 How's the expansion problem going? Are we ready for another parcel yet? Oct 15 22:34:09 it's in my opinion our biggest safety issue, especially with the smokers Oct 15 22:34:14 OccupyBoston679: we NEED it Oct 15 22:34:21 people are sleeping on top of one another Oct 15 22:34:35 * OccupyBoston679 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 22:34:40 * OccupyBoston944 (~OccupyBos@dccz-03-50-062-994.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 22:35:12 I was thinking..maybe we could get a bunch of lumber and build a second storey? lol jk Oct 15 22:35:43 just don't let the people who built the new information tent do it Oct 15 22:35:54 Think they would find out if you dug down? Oct 15 22:36:08 that would help solve our heating issues too! Oct 15 22:36:15 oh wait, below us is the highway Oct 15 22:36:23 lol Oct 15 22:36:33 joke Oct 15 22:36:51 * OccupyBoston653 (~OccupyBos@eegc-741-899-897-92.bstnma.btas.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 22:37:04 If we could get one of those house-sized tarps roofers use we could build a giant dome for the winter Oct 15 22:37:27 * MediaTent_Cyris is now known as MediaTent Oct 15 22:37:31 * Buddhist108 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 15 22:37:36 But really, we're just going to have to go seize another parcel Oct 15 22:37:38 * OccupyBoston653 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 22:37:45 and get clobbered again Oct 15 22:37:57 but we have to do it Oct 15 22:38:43 Maybe rush in and chain ourselves to stuff Oct 15 22:39:04 * OccupyBoston963 (~OccupyBos@a-19-808-80-51.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 22:39:08 If we can hold one for a day they'll probably back off Oct 15 22:39:25 but soon we're going to have to do it Oct 15 22:39:30 Hey all, how is the camp holding up? Oct 15 22:39:41 fantastic and over-crowded Oct 15 22:40:02 My guess is that the city is committed to limiting the camp to its present location. Oct 15 22:40:07 haha i was going to make a joke about what to do about the overcrowding but.... Oct 15 22:40:08 its going steady Oct 15 22:40:13 we need to talk to the greenway Oct 15 22:40:25 also, it will get cold soon and over-population will likely be less of an issue Oct 15 22:40:34 yeah Oct 15 22:40:35 we need to be ready to expand liks crazy in the spring Oct 15 22:40:36 u guys are tough Oct 15 22:40:40 thank you guys so much for doing this Oct 15 22:40:42 we have and they're ok with our expandig but the city isn't Oct 15 22:40:52 i was just looking at some of the Occupy movements aroudn the world today Oct 15 22:40:52 nuts Oct 15 22:41:00 did you see any video from spain? Oct 15 22:41:24 * GeoBos has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 15 22:41:26 * OccupyBoston962 (~OccupyBos@ufil-66-274-57-864.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 22:41:34 This time, maybe we can send about 100 people over with plastic sheeting to drape over ourselves and chain ourselves to each other. We'd need lots of locks and chains, and bottles to pee in. Oct 15 22:41:36 is there a good summary of today's actions? Oct 15 22:41:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjUIEAZr4Yo&feature=player_embedded#! Oct 15 22:41:47 mmm Oct 15 22:41:52 i saw some stuff on cnn Oct 15 22:41:54 but.. Oct 15 22:42:05 * OccupyBoston055 (~OccupyBos@50.12.rzo.ju) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 22:42:06 If we just mob up and walk over, though, they'll toss us right out Oct 15 22:42:20 hi peeps Oct 15 22:42:28 glad about the rave happened Oct 15 22:42:38 of course, once we make bail we can come right back and do it again, maybe weart them out Oct 15 22:42:39 * OccupyBoston962 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 22:42:55 http://occupywallst.org/?ohmygoth Oct 15 22:43:00 decent recap there Oct 15 22:43:20 * OccupyBoston055 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 22:43:32 Maybe seeing Rome in flames will remind Mumbles of how good he has it Oct 15 22:43:45 italy is so fucked Oct 15 22:43:48 i have family over there Oct 15 22:43:54 it's ridiculous Oct 15 22:44:07 I've been therre once Oct 15 22:44:08 as long as berlusconi is there, it will never get better Oct 15 22:44:15 there is absolutely no work Oct 15 22:44:21 he makes up laws everyday Oct 15 22:44:28 Northern part - Milan and Bozen Oct 15 22:44:50 not joking, a parliament member is suing him because one of his people told her she needed to "go get laid" in the chamber Oct 15 22:45:13 Hey - what if we took four parcels all at once? Oct 15 22:45:31 if you guys step out of line, be prepared Oct 15 22:45:33 it's a tough call Oct 15 22:45:40 but it's probably going to come down to that again Oct 15 22:45:42 sooner or later Oct 15 22:45:47 We need an Expansion Committee Oct 15 22:45:52 great idea Oct 15 22:46:01 * kizmut -=Stream is offline with 96 viewers @ http://livestream.com/occupyboston Oct 15 22:46:14 You need to think of ways to be non-confrontational......... Oct 15 22:46:17 bring these things up at general assembly Oct 15 22:46:19 Is there some state-owned park around? Oct 15 22:46:22 Come up with a better plan than just waiting for it to happen Oct 15 22:46:24 * OccupyBoston828 (~OccupyBos@ezry-867-9-567-525.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 22:46:31 live feed down Oct 15 22:46:51 * pierre791 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 22:46:57 Nothing wrong with confrontation as long as it's non-violent Oct 15 22:47:02 RKG, Boston common, or somewhere else in the Emerald Necklace Oct 15 22:47:04 i dunno it really is a tough call on how to deal with tensions between the city and the camp Oct 15 22:47:18 I think that the toughest part is menino Oct 15 22:47:28 so far you guys ahve been great Oct 15 22:47:35 how were the cops? Oct 15 22:47:38 they looked brtual Oct 15 22:47:39 * OccupyBoston245 (~OccupyBos@899-7-81-658.c3-6.smr-ubr5.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 22:47:40 the conservancy seems flexible. Oct 15 22:47:41 Yeah, but them issuing ultimatums limiting our size is unacceptable Oct 15 22:47:59 What did impression did y'all get from deval? Oct 15 22:48:34 I think his interest in us increases the pressure on Menino to keep things peaceful Oct 15 22:48:42 definitely Oct 15 22:48:54 Good, I like that pressure on him then Oct 15 22:49:26 i dunno this movement is so awesome. i feel bad i can't commit to going out there, but i'm so glad you guys are out there Oct 15 22:49:32 this is how they probably want us feeling for the military Oct 15 22:49:32 So maybe now - as in day after tomorrow - is the best time to grab more land. We're going to need it to survive the winter\ Oct 15 22:49:44 general assembly Oct 15 22:49:59 963 - do you have serious health problems? Oct 15 22:50:09 nope Oct 15 22:50:11 I would strongly advise "grabbing" any land. We can work this out, but the last thing we need is a repeat of last week. some people lost all of their belongings last week Oct 15 22:50:48 If you decide on autonomous action, make sure you know what you're getting into and DO NOT endanger anyone else or their belongings without their consent Oct 15 22:50:50 not that I have any power Oct 15 22:51:07 yeah i would not get out of control Oct 15 22:51:09 I think we need to repeat last week on a daily basis until they give us some more space Oct 15 22:51:21 yeah watchout for anons advocating violence Oct 15 22:51:27 * schmiddy1101 (~schmiddy1@z-54-946-924-56.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 22:51:31 And that is fine, but you are part of a community and they deserve a say in that because those actions affect them Oct 15 22:51:46 that is why it is called concensus Oct 15 22:51:48 we hope everyone stays peaceful. Oct 15 22:51:53 peace is the only way Oct 15 22:51:53 * OccupyBoston348 (~OccupyBos@50.12.rzo.ju) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 22:52:03 we will tolerate violent motivators Oct 15 22:52:04 * OccupyBoston245 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 22:52:06 they want you to instigate Oct 15 22:52:09 I'm hardly advocating violence. Is anybody talking with the city about this issue? Oct 15 22:52:10 they would love that Oct 15 22:52:19 yes several people are Oct 15 22:52:24 they ahve all the weapons and it would give them the only thing you guys have Oct 15 22:52:27 which is popularity Oct 15 22:52:32 What have they reported? Oct 15 22:52:33 and which is all u need Oct 15 22:52:52 what issues are you trying to find info on Oct 15 22:52:59 more space Oct 15 22:53:22 ok im out guys good luck, see you tomorrow Oct 15 22:53:23 there are a lot of people working on a lot of different tactics for expansion. It is a Primary focus for many people Oct 15 22:53:27 * OccupyBoston963 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 22:54:02 I guess I should ask this: Are any of them making any real progress? Oct 15 22:54:07 * OccupyBoston856 (~OccupyBos@580.sub-526-159-22.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 22:54:09 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to Theresa Oct 15 22:54:31 * OccupyBoston856 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 22:55:21 Depends on how you define progress, there is nothing definitive Oct 15 22:55:43 If we had five thousand people occupy a parcel instead of marching, there's no way the cops would come in Oct 15 22:56:09 That may be true, but, we don't have 5000 people. It would be awesome if we did though! Oct 15 22:56:21 944: u seem to be pushing hard for confrontation. Oct 15 22:56:27 if anyone has information i'm jermy out of new york city, i'm in boston right now helping, please feel free to email me or let me know concerns or information about anything, thanks, countryboi22@gmail.com is my info or Facebook me please Oct 15 22:56:32 * target (~target@393-97-62-676-qdokecau6i.bu.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 22:56:53 hey guys - any ideas for basic supplies which we can donate to the camp ? Oct 15 22:57:19 trash bags, food needs trash bags, fruit, they need blankets Oct 15 22:57:23 Yeah, I suppose I am. But it has to be non-violent, and we have to have the moral high ground, and it has to end with us getting more space without pissing off the city too much. Oct 15 22:57:58 Theresa: thanks, I'll see what I can do Oct 15 22:58:05 http://occupyboston.com/get-involved/logistics/ Oct 15 22:58:11 http://occupyboston.wikispaces.com/Donate Oct 15 22:58:15 * schmiddy1101 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 15 22:58:16 lol Oct 15 22:58:23 But negotiation is a two-way street, and if they say "You're not expanding, period" we need to say "Yes we are" and do it Oct 15 22:59:31 That may be 944, but we need a concensus to do it, otherwise we are taking a risk with other peoples lives that isn't ours to take. Oct 15 22:59:45 Once they realize that we're willing to get teargassed and arrested without fighting back, a lot of their power evaporates Oct 15 23:00:15 * schmiddy1101 (~schmiddy1@z-54-946-924-56.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:00:33 Well, anybody participating in it is granting consensus by their actions Oct 15 23:00:35 * OccupyBoston348 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 15 23:01:41 * OccupyBoston144 (~OccupyBos@50.12.rzo.ju) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:01:50 I'm not advocating kidnapping - just chaining outselves to lamp poles and returning after we're arrested to do it over and over until they give up Oct 15 23:01:58 If there is a new occupation, I suggest Christopher Columbus park Oct 15 23:02:01 Not really, if we take a parcel of land, and they go after dewey in addition, then they have been affected by a choice they never made. to be clearer, consensus through the general assembly is what i believe is necessary Oct 15 23:02:26 It is big, it is pretty close, but far enough away that it could be viewed as a separate action Oct 15 23:02:39 also it stakes out more territory and the caps could grown toward one another Oct 15 23:02:48 just another idea Oct 15 23:02:53 No. I don't agree at all. What the city does is on them, not any of us Oct 15 23:02:59 * MK|Home|AFK is now known as MK|Home Oct 15 23:03:12 * OccupyBoston555 (~OccupyBos@klpz-924-980-957-42.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:03:28 We are not responsible for their actions, ever Oct 15 23:03:48 Consensus with the general assembly has nothing to do with the city, it has to do with a horizontal democracy which we all agreed to as participants of this Occupation Oct 15 23:04:09 As such, we are responsible for the effects our actions have on our fellow Occupiers Oct 15 23:04:59 Right on, Theresa Oct 15 23:05:11 * OccupyBoston828 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 23:05:14 me and three buddies set up a tent and the cops mow down everybody with machine guns. Are you saying the police aren't responsible? Oct 15 23:06:02 944 -- u are really pushing this violence thing very hard. Machine guns??? Oct 15 23:06:19 Go reread my statement Oct 15 23:06:22 * OccupyBoston141 (~OccupyBos@50.12.rzo.ju) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:06:54 No, that isn't what I am saying. However, neither am I saying that you by instigating the move are not also in part responsible We are all responsible for our decisions, you for your decision to set up a tent and each officer for their machine gun response Oct 15 23:07:04 when have I EVER advocated violence? Get a grip, 910 Oct 15 23:07:06 * OccupyBoston555 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 23:08:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @harmonywho: Please give regularly to http://t.co/FnnrGRfs #mapoli #OccupyBoston - http://twitter.com/caffeinehusky/statuses/125407496583135232 Oct 15 23:08:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @blogdiva: and Seattle RT @YourAnonNews: If going to #OccupyDenver, #OccupyBoston, or #OccupyWallstreet bring swim goggles for protection! (NOT a joke) - http://twitter.com/WendyStankevich/statuses/125407513452613632 Oct 15 23:08:56 * brandz (~brandz@b-40-739-222-68.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:09:00 It's important that we work hard to keep things ticketyboo between us and the cops. but we must NOT be intimidated by them. Oct 15 23:09:23 Yes, ticketyboo is very important Oct 15 23:09:26 what is ticketyboo? Oct 15 23:09:37 not sure, just expressing solidarity Oct 15 23:09:43 it's like "hunky dory" Oct 15 23:09:51 ok, thanks for clarifying Oct 15 23:10:10 lol Oct 15 23:10:12 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ticketyboo :-P Oct 15 23:10:32 is there a march or protest tomorrow, sunday? Oct 15 23:10:34 :) Oct 15 23:10:59 I think there is Oct 15 23:11:05 not sure of time though Oct 15 23:11:28 * target has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 23:11:33 nothing posted on main page of website Oct 15 23:12:24 Nothing on calendar http://occupyboston.com/calendar/ Oct 15 23:12:43 See what I'm saying, though? I'm willing to risk the very worst case scenarios - right up to and including getting Kent-State massacred, without ever lifting a finger in my self-defense. But I'm not willing to just smile and nod and do whatever the police want. Negotiation is a two-way street, and they have to give up something if they want to get something Oct 15 23:12:47 OOO Anti-oppression GA at 8! that is essential Oct 15 23:12:50 yeah, marches sometimes don't get posted by direct action....I know there is a lot going on for World Food Day tomorrow. In fact, if you go by, bring non perishable food items for the food drive! Oct 15 23:13:18 I really wish I was able to go to the Anti Oppression GA Oct 15 23:13:21 it is at 8? Oct 15 23:13:38 * brandz has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 23:13:53 yes it is Oct 15 23:14:41 Okay - let's get a feel for how much support there is for different ideas for expansion, sort of as an advance exercise to know what is worth bringing up in GA Oct 15 23:14:56 Who agrees that we need to expand? Oct 15 23:15:21 expand up! Oct 15 23:15:28 that's one Oct 15 23:15:33 * target (~hash@393-97-62-676-qdokecau6i.bu.edu) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:15:47 I agree we need to expand, but there is room for a few tents so we don't need to expand immediately...sorry to be so technical Oct 15 23:15:49 944: it's a given that we need to expand Oct 15 23:15:54 nobody disagrees with that Oct 15 23:16:10 who thinks we should let it happen without any planning or discussion - just sort of spontaneously Oct 15 23:16:21 I disagree with that Oct 15 23:16:25 me too Oct 15 23:16:51 i still think the esplanade would be a good place to expand to Oct 15 23:16:53 who thinks we should use more aggressive tactics like chaining ourselves up? Oct 15 23:17:03 me too target Oct 15 23:17:09 that's asking for problems Oct 15 23:17:13 we're not looking for problems Oct 15 23:17:21 i think that is uneccesarry and antagonistic right now Oct 15 23:17:26 sorry for the spelling Oct 15 23:17:29 * marxistvegan has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 15 23:17:33 well where can you go thats not asking for problems Oct 15 23:17:43 Yes it is, but I hope we all realize that we're going to have problems in any revolution Oct 15 23:17:53 the esplanade would be an issue come summer Oct 15 23:17:56 yes but when we have those problems is up to us Oct 15 23:18:04 in some ways Oct 15 23:18:16 if you're going to expand you're going to have problems. if you're going to have problems you might as well pick the place of most benefit Oct 15 23:18:20 yes, and we should choose our battles carefully. Oct 15 23:18:27 exactly Oct 15 23:18:56 When they toss us out, who thinks we should stubbornly return, over and over Oct 15 23:18:57 Are you ppl still there? Oct 15 23:19:02 I thought this ended? Oct 15 23:19:12 nope Oct 15 23:19:17 still here Oct 15 23:19:32 o bummer Oct 15 23:19:38 I think winter may reduce the need to expand. It may be that we have a rotating occupation. Oct 15 23:19:46 havent been able to go anywhere with all of u Oct 15 23:19:53 crowding boston Oct 15 23:20:05 * stevie02780 (~stevie027@kqey-21-448-408-097.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:20:10 People stay for a week...rotate out...next group stay for a week. Oct 15 23:20:12 * AP has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 23:20:14 I think we should redouble our efforts so that when spring comes there are ten times as many of uis Oct 15 23:20:26 Spring? Oct 15 23:20:28 Man Oct 15 23:20:34 I can't deal with all this Oct 15 23:20:38 evening all Oct 15 23:20:39 i think we should spend the entire winter focused on community building so in the spring there is a natural army of support for us Oct 15 23:20:42 See., I was there last week, and then I got a job Oct 15 23:20:54 locke, congrats on the job! Oct 15 23:20:58 thanks Oct 15 23:21:17 I realized that was the only reason i was there, having no job Oct 15 23:21:38 Then you aren't paying attention to current events, locke Oct 15 23:21:45 What events? Oct 15 23:22:17 erm, corruption on Wall Street? The financial crisis? the 6 wars we're in, etc Oct 15 23:22:25 http://www.theblaze.com/stories/american-nazi-party-endorses-occupy-wall-streets-courage-tells-members-to-support-protests-and-fight-judeo-capitalist-banksters/comment-page-2/?corder=desc#comments lol Oct 15 23:22:26 How does this upset you tho? Oct 15 23:22:29 I'm working and happy Oct 15 23:22:36 * siegfail (~AndChat@gx02145a2.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:22:44 hello Oct 15 23:22:47 are you a troll, locke? Oct 15 23:22:48 eve Oct 15 23:22:51 Nope Oct 15 23:22:55 Devils advocate Oct 15 23:22:56 hi ho Oct 15 23:23:05 No time for you now Oct 15 23:23:09 Locke, I can tell you this. It upsets me that my family has food allergies and because of corruption in the government I can't get a truthful food label to know what is in the food I feed my family...that doesn't change outside of a job Oct 15 23:23:10 What's locke talking about, then? Oct 15 23:23:14 No time for opposition? Oct 15 23:23:24 Wsho thinks we should NOT adress expansion Oct 15 23:23:40 * i_wor_kuen (~i_wor_kue@736-755-713-713.c2-7.sth-ubr7.sbo-sth.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:23:42 just make do with the space they gave us Oct 15 23:23:45 'hey look just because locke got a job does not make him a bad person. he does have to pay bills eat and suppourt a family if he has ons. Oct 15 23:23:56 with out a job how would he get along Oct 15 23:24:06 Stevie, I don't have any issue with Locke, just answered his question Oct 15 23:24:07 How would we get along? Oct 15 23:24:10 I am glad he got a job Oct 15 23:24:26 I repeat, who thinks we should limit the protest size to one camp for the winter? Oct 15 23:24:32 If I'm a troll, then u lost a customer Oct 15 23:24:44 I don't think that is the worst idea depending on demand Oct 15 23:24:45 so am I I dont see why 944 is calling him out on here. Locke was there helping last wek Oct 15 23:25:05 Honestly if the demand is there, we will be forced to expand...right now, it isn't really there Oct 15 23:25:22 IIt's not overcrowded? Oct 15 23:25:29 I just find it hard to support this working 80hrs a week now, how do you all do it? Oct 15 23:25:39 who are you 944 to say and judge others on here are YOU at the CAMP? Have oyu been there Oct 15 23:25:46 Can we arrange the camp somehow to squeeze more people in? Oct 15 23:25:48 OccupyBoston944: we don't think you're a troll we all have opinions fel free to voice yours. Oct 15 23:25:48 There is room for 5 pr 6 more tents and people are not coming in as much as they used to Oct 15 23:25:49 * OccupyBoston733 (~OccupyBos@xqed-43-680-86-709.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:26:24 yes we can squeeze more people in. we could get military tents which house hundreds of people in a tent might make warmth easier not sure about personal security issues though Oct 15 23:26:33 too bad there aren't bunkbed cots Oct 15 23:26:35 Sounds like a sweat shop Oct 15 23:26:37 Would we be able to fit more in if we had larger community tents rather than individual ones? Oct 15 23:26:55 sweating is better than freezing, but it is an idea not a demand Oct 15 23:27:01 locke if you're working 80 hours a week, take alil bit of that that money, cook up some beans and rice and bring it into the camp :) cheap and doesn't take too much time to stop by Oct 15 23:27:03 sort of what i meant Oct 15 23:27:16 community tents Oct 15 23:27:30 I'm with Theresa. Let's get a big ass army tent. Oct 15 23:27:32 We do need more space Oct 15 23:27:33 sorry for my rant to 944 Oct 15 23:27:33 Because i work 80 hrs doesnt mean i have the luxury of feeding yall Oct 15 23:27:40 no worries Oct 15 23:27:46 We could possibly make them put of lumber and plastic sheets/tarps. easier to heat, too Oct 15 23:27:52 Fair enough! congrats on finding work :) Oct 15 23:28:01 I can barley get by Oct 15 23:28:25 But i decided that supporting occupy wasnt getting me anything I needed, so i decided to work Oct 15 23:28:25 locke -- it bothers me bc when Congress or the state gov't consider legislation, the corporations pay lobbyists to promote their cause (profits) Oct 15 23:28:25 barley is a noun. fyi Oct 15 23:28:30 Yeah my partner and I both work and we're doing OK, but we're not rolling in loot Oct 15 23:28:49 We could probably get a large tent donated.... we wouldn't necessarily be able to get wood on site Oct 15 23:28:59 What we really need is one of those giant function tents for weddings and such. Where on earth could we get one? Oct 15 23:29:18 and the needs of the people are pushed aside. Oct 15 23:29:23 OccupyBoston910: Then why are you in Boston? Also, how does this PERSONALLY affect you? Oct 15 23:29:27 hey I am on disability because of prior mediacl problems and now with kidney failure I only get 875 a month that is because I pay 125 also towared my part b medicade Oct 15 23:29:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] remember when Clinton came out condemning the militarization of #jan25. Where she at now? #OWS #OccupyPhilly #OccupyBoston #POLICEstate #p2 - http://twitter.com/lilylun/statuses/125412811315757056 Oct 15 23:29:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Fara1: Any local reporters who want to brainstorm ways to set up permanent outside media tent at/near #OccupyBoston look for me at camp today. - http://twitter.com/ArmAnon/statuses/125412839585353729 Oct 15 23:29:53 Will that survive a storm? Maybe we can rent a warehouse. If this is really a recession, there should be a depressed market Oct 15 23:30:09 There are people looking for that as well Oct 15 23:30:14 Locke - I have been waiting for this for 10 years Oct 15 23:30:17 Yeah, but if we retreat we're no longer visible Oct 15 23:30:38 We would not retreat, just sleep offsite, we would keep Dewey Square Oct 15 23:30:39 MK|Home: what have you been waiting for and why did it take 10 years? Oct 15 23:30:43 Of course, we can fester somewhere while it's cold and explode again in spring Oct 15 23:30:47 We need to decide if we can to be evergreen or deciduous in the winter Oct 15 23:31:04 I've been waiting for things to get bad enough that people cannot ignore problems any more Oct 15 23:31:12 I think a lot of people have been waiting for this opportunity Oct 15 23:31:18 MK|Home: that sounds pretty negative Oct 15 23:31:36 But i think it'd be better for us to be seen freezing our butts off in the snow to inspire people Oct 15 23:31:37 People mobilize when there is hunger or unemployment Oct 15 23:32:13 Well there would be people staying on the square, probably in that rotation you mentioned earlier Oct 15 23:32:14 Everything I have heard tells me I am the 1%, I have never been that lucky in my life, and don't find it ironic Oct 15 23:32:15 yet) Oct 15 23:32:18 Hunger strikes, anybody? Oct 15 23:32:22 things are pretty bad, but not to the point where you're going to get the kind of crowd where the army reserve will be called in Oct 15 23:33:01 that's when you KNOW you have power Oct 15 23:33:14 because they'll be willing to kill you Oct 15 23:33:40 It's called survival of the fittest everyone Oct 15 23:33:44 Not yet, anyway. But if they allow unemployment extensions to run out Dec 31, by latre feb people will be rioting, and they aren't exactly going to care what the cops think Oct 15 23:33:47 you have power every day, that is what people seem to forget and why Occupy Wall St etc... is so important Oct 15 23:33:47 We in the US are extremely lucky. You want injustice, look at native peoples in the indonesian rainforest. Look at peasants in developing nations. Oct 15 23:33:51 SNL -- 'Mayor Bloomberg' is selling OWS as a tourist attraction. funny Oct 15 23:34:14 * OccupyBoston802 (~OccupyBos@h-85-493-842-41.hsd0.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:34:17 individual power does not equal institutional power Oct 15 23:34:50 * OccupyBoston802 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 23:35:10 no, but individuals aware of their power uniting can be more powerful than institutional power I think Oct 15 23:35:17 That's a strategic point - I truly believe that things are going to get very hard for most Americans this winter, and it's important that we're around as a symbol to rally around Oct 15 23:35:18 I will say this on a medical stand point is that flu shots should be gotten to prevent am outbreak of the FLU in the tent community . It is an easy germ to pass along since it is an airbourne . So I would think about anytype of out break but I used the \FLU as an ezample Oct 15 23:35:23 unemployment extentions don't work that way when it comes to MA disbursement Oct 15 23:36:14 How do they work if the Feds don't give up any more money? Oct 15 23:36:18 shoot they are saying oil is going up by 2-300 dollars this winter Oct 15 23:36:18 * target has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 15 23:36:26 * OccupyBoston564 (~OccupyBos@532-9-70-485.c1-8.smr-ubr4.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:36:32 does anyone know who keeps tracks of mins and inventory and such Oct 15 23:36:36 MA unemployment benefits are based on state unemployment rates Oct 15 23:36:39 the wiki is way behing on info Oct 15 23:36:45 ok Im leaving...see you later all Oct 15 23:36:49 im happy to update it if I can get the info Oct 15 23:36:49 * locke has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 23:36:50 question Oct 15 23:36:58 how much of people's stuff has been getting stolen? Oct 15 23:37:00 Jmagly, are you on site? Oct 15 23:37:06 not right now Oct 15 23:37:08 hey jmagly can you pm me Oct 15 23:37:09 will be tomorrow Oct 15 23:37:11 if you go to logistics, they can tell you Oct 15 23:37:16 Sure, but the extensions are paid for by Congress, right? Oct 15 23:37:37 and if you want to volunteer to update the wiki, let me know. Oct 15 23:37:38 if they don't pony up the dough, nobody gets any Oct 15 23:37:52 * Kt (~Kt@kqjcfj.imrua.org) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:37:55 yes, you're right on that count Oct 15 23:37:55 i will likely be on at night Oct 15 23:37:56 stevie it says your not there Oct 15 23:38:02 good night all Oct 15 23:38:05 * Theresa has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 23:38:10 nitey nite Oct 15 23:38:11 but only if you don't exhaust your benefits Oct 15 23:38:22 why aren't the minutes for GA posted for the past 5 days? Oct 15 23:38:34 Peoples stuff is getting stolen? Oct 15 23:38:45 i don't know, we were wondering Oct 15 23:38:45 If i wasnt here how could I be on with my name makes no sense Oct 15 23:38:49 i am on it now fleshing out the tech and finance working group pages Oct 15 23:38:59 ah ok Oct 15 23:39:11 lol I understang Gov Patric made a visit to the city today Oct 15 23:39:11 i am happy to update antyhgint that needs updating just point me to the right people with the info Oct 15 23:39:11 is it generally one person who takes the minutes? Oct 15 23:39:22 or one of a couple people? Oct 15 23:39:30 i saw one person doing it when i was there one day Oct 15 23:39:38 and it was posted up on a projector Oct 15 23:39:46 someone should make sure that happens every time Oct 15 23:39:46 * OccupyBoston737 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 15 23:39:50 like if you see that NOT happening Oct 15 23:39:51 i would assume a couple people do it, it seems that updating the wiki is not a priority or is hard to do for some Oct 15 23:39:53 if you exhaust your benefits on 12/31, you'll qualify for the next tier, which is an additional 14 weeks Oct 15 23:39:54 happy to help Oct 15 23:40:01 having a currernt internet presence is important Oct 15 23:40:02 go make it happen Oct 15 23:40:04 * i_wor_kuen has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 23:40:07 meh Oct 15 23:40:12 * i_wor_kuen (~i_wor_kue@736-755-713-713.c2-7.sth-ubr7.sbo-sth.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:40:22 just a laptop Oct 15 23:40:23 you don't need internet to take notes Oct 15 23:40:30 those messages got sent backwards Oct 15 23:40:33 but, you get it Oct 15 23:40:41 i mean on here derp Oct 15 23:40:47 as in the page is 5 days stale Oct 15 23:41:00 I dont understand it the occupy groups have been relatively non violent but why is that other locations overseas have to be so violent . Oct 15 23:41:02 not sure if my last msgs got through, but if you exhaust your first extention by 12/31, you'll get an additional 14 weeks Oct 15 23:41:09 because londoners are crazy Oct 15 23:41:12 ill be out there tommorrow trying to hunt down the info Oct 15 23:41:16 italians go apeshit Oct 15 23:41:16 So the feeling I get is that if we want to be complete wussies and go along with Mumbles and his goons we build bigger community tents for the winter. If we want to be totally aggressive we chain ourselves to poles in a new parcel and come back over and over no matter what they do to us. Sound right? Oct 15 23:41:19 and yemen is...well, yemen Oct 15 23:41:54 i'm pretty sure it was only rome that really forced it Oct 15 23:41:56 * OccupyBoston186 (~OccupyBos@49-85-235-764.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:42:04 hey anyone here? Oct 15 23:42:08 london they got like, kettled or something Oct 15 23:42:12 a few of us Oct 15 23:42:28 jmagly do you have the minutes stored locally? Oct 15 23:42:29 is it because they had some arnchists infultrate the group, how do you prevent anrchists from joining the group just to start problems? Oct 15 23:42:31 kettling happened in berlin too Oct 15 23:42:40 and greece i think Oct 15 23:43:01 nope and does not sound like ill be able to get anyone to send me what they have at the moment, so ill see what i can scare up tommorrow Oct 15 23:43:20 * OccupyBoston186 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 23:43:22 do you even know who took the notes? Oct 15 23:43:28 ill find out Oct 15 23:43:36 do you know who to ask to find out? Oct 15 23:43:40 anarchists should be easy to see; it's the planted agitators that you need to look out for Oct 15 23:43:40 you see where i'm going with this? Oct 15 23:43:45 jmagly can you send me an email tac9c48@msn.com so we can communicate about the medical wiki Oct 15 23:43:48 yes ive been down there a few tims already Oct 15 23:43:53 as far as I can tell) Oct 15 23:44:08 they better be taking notes, I dropped 20 comp books and 150 pens on them 3 days ago Oct 15 23:44:08 Stevie - the 1% would be perfectly happy if lots of us just up and died. Austerity cuts, if severe enough, means that thousands of us surely will die. In the face of that, violence is understandable. Non-violence should only be considered if it is MORE EFFECTIVE than violence. We're not here for a picnic. Oct 15 23:44:18 taking the minutes should be part of the facilitator working group's responsibility Oct 15 23:44:20 * OccupyBoston910 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 15 23:44:32 can someone bring that up in GA for me? Oct 15 23:44:40 i don't know if i'll be able to make it down there Oct 15 23:44:54 they took minutes riht tonight Oct 15 23:44:56 I think proposals on the wiki end up on GA but im not sure Oct 15 23:45:05 hi media Oct 15 23:45:05 all these things have been dealt with Oct 15 23:45:12 * freewill (~freewill@c-40-168-681-62.hsd2.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:45:14 right, then where are the minutes on the wiki? Oct 15 23:45:18 hi Oct 15 23:45:20 yes pls Oct 15 23:45:25 if they're not there, then not all of the things have been dealt with, right? Oct 15 23:45:30 its not an instant thing it takes work Oct 15 23:45:39 I know that but there are good protests to make a point and there are destructive ones so I was under the impression Occupy Boston dosent condone violence it is in their By Laws Oct 15 23:45:43 and the cooperation of a couple of groups Oct 15 23:45:48 yes and we are asking if there is any assistance needed Oct 15 23:45:51 so that cooperation needs to happen Oct 15 23:45:57 expect it up 3 hours after a GA usually Oct 15 23:45:58 there has been calls for volunteers Oct 15 23:46:02 to be honest, i find the recording of GA to be pretty important Oct 15 23:46:08 where just on the main page? Oct 15 23:46:08 considering the influx and outflux of people all the time Oct 15 23:46:14 * Houndish (~Houndish@jjlr-04-907-443-60.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:46:15 and for those of us who can't make it to a lot of the GA's Oct 15 23:46:17 * OccupyBoston367 (~OccupyBos@s-19-288-6-886.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:46:22 im just trying to nail down where the help i needed Oct 15 23:46:30 the movement is gaining a LOT of support from people who aren't there all the time Oct 15 23:46:32 I set up the recordings personally Oct 15 23:46:34 and can't be Oct 15 23:46:36 wait Oct 15 23:46:38 recordings? Oct 15 23:46:40 like, video? Oct 15 23:46:43 I would like to come down to voluenteer but mu medical condtions prohibit me form traveling too far because of kidney failure Oct 15 23:46:57 ugh but that would take a lot of server space Oct 15 23:47:02 and i agree it is importan and when we get it perfected there will even be multiple languages Oct 15 23:47:10 focus on ONE language first Oct 15 23:47:19 remember in the tech meeting Oct 15 23:47:24 * Houndish2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 15 23:47:26 let's do the now stuff first Oct 15 23:47:27 we are i said when we get it perfected Oct 15 23:47:37 it's not even going Oct 15 23:47:38 listen or read Oct 15 23:47:59 i would be the one translating and im not Oct 15 23:48:04 obviously Oct 15 23:48:07 right Oct 15 23:48:17 so there must be something else being done to it Oct 15 23:48:19 but before we're talking about translating Oct 15 23:48:24 we should have something to translate Oct 15 23:48:26 * inner_vacations (~inner_vac@d66-587-48-883.cntcnh.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:48:29 Media, do you guys need help, if so where, what is your involvment with the wiki and where can we help to keep things up to date? Oct 15 23:48:36 we do but its being cleaned up Oct 15 23:48:39 also where can us offsite people help? Oct 15 23:48:42 Here's a factoid: This winter, LIHEAP funding will be cut by 50%. This is the program that supplies heating oil to low income households. Last year, at full funding, most households just barely made it through the winter, and a few ran short of heating oil completely. This year, there will be enough oil for the average household to make it to the middle of Dedember. Then they run out of oil and there are no addition Oct 15 23:48:57 if when had a professional dictition it'd be different Oct 15 23:48:59 i'd like to help keep the wiki up to date Oct 15 23:49:07 you don't need that Oct 15 23:49:09 we are working on it Oct 15 23:49:09 got info that occupy chi is getting ready to be shut down if anyone can help or have contacts Oct 15 23:49:12 just give a laptop to someone every GA Oct 15 23:49:16 and say "type what they say" Oct 15 23:49:19 we did Oct 15 23:49:21 if it's slightly off, it's slightly off Oct 15 23:49:25 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Be more mature http://t.co/2TqPcEna #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/OccupyBosReddit/statuses/125417813727903745 Oct 15 23:49:28 then someone in media takes it and posts it online Oct 15 23:49:34 or, send it to me and i'll do it Oct 15 23:49:36 no misinformation is unacceptable Oct 15 23:49:43 and muist be avoided Oct 15 23:49:49 you're lucky in NH the fuel assistance is only 25% of what it use to be. Oct 15 23:50:01 i mean slightly off like, he misses a "the" Oct 15 23:50:02 I just got home from the Occupy Nh event Oct 15 23:50:13 * Tracy_home (~trcmoscat@a-19-263-330-778.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:50:15 media, are you saying you have all the hands you need? because I am looking at a downed live stream and almost week old stale pages on key arees of your web presence and wiki Oct 15 23:50:22 I wouldn't call us lucky, but yeah...it's going to be a hard winter for poor people Oct 15 23:50:24 translation would be easy just use google translate and put subtitles on the bottom of the program your running that would make things alot easier then trying to have someone come in an voice over the translation Oct 15 23:50:27 would have stayed but I might earn some money tomorrow and I need it! Oct 15 23:50:31 hello Oct 15 23:50:31 * OccupyBoston330 (~OccupyBos@a-80-375-50-120.hsd0.ga.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:50:35 these are content concerns and do not need a committe they just need someone to update it Oct 15 23:50:36 i came up with an excellent plan reviewed by more than media and it met with overwhelming approval so for now its what we'll do Oct 15 23:50:40 hi all - just got bak from Boston Oct 15 23:50:47 * OccupyBoston418 (~OccupyBos@zqs-35-888-939-369.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:50:48 media, What is it? Oct 15 23:50:52 * OccupyBoston418 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 23:50:52 except there's no minutes for the past 5 days Oct 15 23:50:58 hi Oct 15 23:51:01 so the plan is slightly less than excellent Oct 15 23:51:04 * OccupyMaine (~OccupyMai@zqs-35-888-939-369.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:51:05 What part of NH, innervacations? Oct 15 23:51:16 I wish I knew how you ppl do this computer magic! Oct 15 23:51:23 MediaTent: what is it? Oct 15 23:51:31 * i_wor_kuen has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 23:51:31 Is anyone tired of everyone calling our movement unorganized? Oct 15 23:51:35 Was there any estimate on number of people in march? Oct 15 23:51:38 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @OccupyChicago: 18 minutes to the deadline to leave our camp. We're not moving. Come join us, and your news station and tell them to ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125416884270149632 Oct 15 23:51:39 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @OccupyChicago DM us if you can! we want to send you a number to call! We just went through this last week. We have advice! Solidarity! - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125417418129551360 Oct 15 23:51:48 How are the numbers down there? Oct 15 23:51:51 we leave cookies out for the computer elves, and in the morning everything's done! Oct 15 23:51:52 the occupation is in Manchester, in Victory Park Oct 15 23:52:07 I missed it. What was media's plan Oct 15 23:52:07 Gonna' be coooold Oct 15 23:52:16 you have people waiting to help, we know its tough to maintain this stuff and be on the ground at the same time, and not everything can be done right there Oct 15 23:52:25 WE have someone dictate at the neeting. Its cleaned up to free it of opinion and shortened for space and time concerns. then sent to the media email and posted online. copies are also printed and put at info and the library for public access at camp. Oct 15 23:52:26 * ZanzibarMan (~ZanzibarM@ezry-951-59-26-71.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:52:31 * i_wor_kuen (~i_wor_kue@736-755-713-713.c2-7.sth-ubr7.sbo-sth.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:52:40 if you make a requirement that people have to physcially go to camp to actually get lined up to help out Oct 15 23:52:52 so where can i get a copy? Oct 15 23:52:52 you are severly limiting the ability of a lot of people to help you Oct 15 23:53:06 and thats what i have heard over and over Oct 15 23:53:08 especially as there's zero parking Oct 15 23:53:14 online i mean Oct 15 23:53:16 oh, no ppl can help the cause from anywhere, not just in camp Oct 15 23:53:20 I have the list of our demands for the marches. Can I e-mail anyone a copy of them for comments, criticism and/or additions? Oct 15 23:53:22 well at the moment since its our first night doing this camp would be the place Oct 15 23:53:31 but I do love to go and stay in camp too! Oct 15 23:53:35 * OccupyMaine has quit (Client Quit) Oct 15 23:53:47 you say misinformation is to be avoided at all costs Oct 15 23:53:52 ok so i will wait, but ill be bugging you again tommorw Oct 15 23:53:56 if the minutes from the meetings aren't readily available Oct 15 23:54:02 commboston@gmail.com Oct 15 23:54:04 all that people will remember is rumors Oct 15 23:54:05 hearsay Oct 15 23:54:06 gossip Oct 15 23:54:09 word of mouth Oct 15 23:54:21 and you'll be faced with more misinformation than otherwise. Oct 15 23:54:22 Talking about GA minutes? Oct 15 23:54:22 i would like to see not just better up to date information but also a plan to allow the general public to engage and help out without having to hunt people down in dewey park Oct 15 23:54:24 yes Oct 15 23:54:30 LOL only if they watch Fox new, 564 Oct 15 23:54:45 oops, news Oct 15 23:54:48 thats why it will be online and in physical copy we won't rush the process though Oct 15 23:55:06 all the local channels are f'd though and not just the local fox station Oct 15 23:55:08 if you get it right the first time it saves a lot of trouble Oct 15 23:55:10 "not rushing the process" means taking care in what you're doing Oct 15 23:55:16 darn Oct 15 23:55:17 currently the process is not happening at all Oct 15 23:55:19 commboston, I'm sending you a pdf document. Oct 15 23:55:23 it is Oct 15 23:55:31 I am no stranger to that, but keep in mind you cant go another 24 hours without updates Oct 15 23:55:32 then where are the minutes that i can see? Oct 15 23:55:32 can you send in press releases? Oct 15 23:55:33 It's sort of incumbent on the general public to figure out as much as it can, individually, and then personally do it Oct 15 23:55:38 if the minutes aren't there Oct 15 23:55:41 as far as i know Oct 15 23:55:41 so dont get yourselvs locked up in shiny bobbble town Oct 15 23:55:43 nothing is being done Oct 15 23:55:47 understand? Oct 15 23:56:02 in a way, this is all about marketing our cause Oct 15 23:56:02 in the facilitators tent being edited Oct 15 23:56:07 i know what its like, and you can get your head far to in teh technolgy Oct 15 23:56:13 if a senator said to you "we have jobs for you, it's being done, we're not rushing it" Oct 15 23:56:16 and its easy to forget that while you see all this cool stuff Oct 15 23:56:21 would you just walk away happy? Oct 15 23:56:22 the public sees a 5 day old web page Oct 15 23:56:26 come to the media tent here and i'll walk you there Oct 15 23:56:34 see what I mean? Oct 15 23:56:42 this is excatly what I was just saying Oct 15 23:56:45 Yes, it kind of is about marketing, but it's also about anti-marketing Oct 15 23:56:45 otherwise refrain from telling people we aren't working on something Oct 15 23:56:47 i don't want to do that Oct 15 23:56:54 i want to read them on the wiki page under "GA minutes" Oct 15 23:56:56 i didnt say you arent working on something Oct 15 23:57:03 but what do you think the perception is meedia? Oct 15 23:57:11 this is something that you can't miss a day on Oct 15 23:57:17 it's so easy to do with a little organization Oct 15 23:57:20 when someone who wants to know whats up goes to the wiki and sees this stale info? Oct 15 23:57:25 and so important for the future of the movement Oct 15 23:57:30 or the website Oct 15 23:57:32 * Tracy_home (~trcmoscat@a-19-263-330-778.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 15 23:57:35 return on investment is very high Oct 15 23:57:37 if you have not been to dewey and stayed there, you really should! Oct 15 23:57:41 * brandon has quit (Quit: leaving) Oct 15 23:57:43 People aren't flocking to us because we convinced them - they're flocking to us because they already understand and want to do something - ANYTHING - about it Oct 15 23:57:47 its an "experiance" Oct 15 23:57:49 its great the the main blog page gets updated Oct 15 23:58:03 but when you dig 1 page down you see nothings been updated Oct 15 23:58:07 it does not look good Oct 15 23:58:13 it speaks poorly of us Oct 15 23:58:21 agreed Oct 15 23:58:23 and Oct 15 23:58:26 this chat is a good thing, you got to admit to that! Oct 15 23:58:32 jmgly sent you a msg thanks Oct 15 23:58:32 Yes Oct 15 23:58:34 it is very important GA meetings are as public as possible Oct 15 23:58:34 im trying to get access. site is switching over soon Oct 15 23:58:41 even if you dont like the site Oct 15 23:58:41 and that you make sure people who can't be at camp are still informed Oct 15 23:58:46 because if you can't expand Oct 15 23:58:55 those people who dont live there are going to become more and more vital Oct 15 23:58:59 unfortnatly I cant stay over night, I go there everyother night or so with donations and hang out Oct 15 23:59:03 * OccupyBoston887 (~OccupyBos@btkp-149-73-121-537.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 15 23:59:06 hmmm Oct 15 23:59:07 chicago is gettting taken out. Oct 15 23:59:11 what??? Oct 15 23:59:12 i have $160 bucks to spend tommorw to drag out there Oct 15 23:59:12 * i_wor_kuen has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 15 23:59:15 find it on ustream Oct 15 23:59:16 wha? Oct 15 23:59:17 ok we can discuss this later Oct 15 23:59:21 yeah Oct 15 23:59:33 link? Oct 15 23:59:34 off to read about chicago... Oct 15 23:59:39 * OccupyBoston887 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 00:00:34 * OccupyBoston844 (~OccupyBos@844-2-189-11.c3-6.arl-ubr5.sbo-arl.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 00:00:45 * wankalansi (~dong@h-23-049-568-57.hsd8.nh.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 00:00:49 OccupyBoston564: email me personally if you really want accountabilty for the minutes and i may even send you a raw copy. sr2wb@hotmial.com Oct 16 00:01:42 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @OccupyChicago: Police are on bullhorns asking us to leave. They have zip chords tray use 30-40 bands each - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125420832477544448 Oct 16 00:02:05 sure Oct 16 00:02:51 * uallach has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 16 00:02:54 Is there a live stream from chicago anywhere? Oct 16 00:03:37 http://www.justin.tv/occupychicago/b/296217146? Oct 16 00:03:41 not sure if this is live Oct 16 00:04:18 www.ustream.tv/channel/we-are-the-other-99 Oct 16 00:04:49 * Tracy_home (~trcmoscat@a-19-263-330-778.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 00:05:25 [:) Oct 16 00:05:47 thanks Oct 16 00:05:56 no problem Oct 16 00:06:30 * OccupyBoston114 (~OccupyBos@y-88-319-282-246.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 00:06:38 * OccupyBoston844 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 16 00:06:48 * OccupyBoston299 (~OccupyBos@d-19-713-81-5.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 00:06:56 * OccupyBoston299 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 00:07:08 Everyone sleeping? Oct 16 00:07:21 watching chicago Oct 16 00:07:28 im awake and probably up all night Oct 16 00:07:29 my link was ny and they're troubles in washington sq park Oct 16 00:07:37 Hey media tent! I have our demands. Give me an e-mail address and I will send you a pdf document Oct 16 00:07:40 45 arrested Oct 16 00:08:11 * gasmonkey (~thomasfab@q-402-86-17-512.hsd9.fl.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 00:08:30 i gave it earlier in the convo can you find it Oct 16 00:08:33 occupybostonmedia@gmail.com Oct 16 00:08:38 * siegfail has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 16 00:08:49 * siegfail (~AndChat@gx02145a2.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 00:09:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @lizpelly: "#occupyboston has no problem attracting women, people of color, or queers, it just has a problem keeping them" #OBwomen - http://twitter.com/windtheme/statuses/125422470231633920 Oct 16 00:09:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @RonanMcGuire: #occupywallstreet #occupyboston #werenotmoving - http://twitter.com/thecreativekido/statuses/125422735580082177 Oct 16 00:09:30 Capitalism: Your fall is comin Oct 16 00:09:36 * OccupyBoston9999 (~OccupyBos@12.196.n.wl) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 00:10:03 they pulled out of the park Oct 16 00:10:05 hmmmm Oct 16 00:10:08 * freddie (~freddie@sgkp-481-0-082-511.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 00:10:15 hey all Oct 16 00:10:23 did anyone read the following Oct 16 00:10:26 http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/10/14/report-faults-wall-street-for-high-energy-prices/ Oct 16 00:10:36 interesting read Oct 16 00:11:42 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @OccupyChi Stay peaceful and stay strong Chicago. - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125421486143045632 Oct 16 00:11:43 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @OccupyChicago We are standing in solidarity! #occupyboston call us if you can: 617-838-9126 - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125423341803798528 Oct 16 00:11:54 * freddie` has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 16 00:12:43 * Tracy_home (~trcmoscat@a-19-263-330-778.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 16 00:12:54 * siegfail has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 16 00:13:00 9999: 60 minutes or aanother news program did a piece on this type of thing several months ago Oct 16 00:13:03 mediatent, hope you guys going well there Oct 16 00:13:14 but to checkout my link and do make use of it in your content Oct 16 00:13:27 * gasmonkey has quit (Quit: gasmonkey) Oct 16 00:13:40 i gotta go now Oct 16 00:13:40 * stevie02780 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 16 00:13:44 good luck Oct 16 00:13:50 * OccupyBoston9999 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 00:14:33 sorry we are monitoring the ongoing situations in other places bear with us Oct 16 00:14:34 * stevie02780 (~stevie027@kqey-21-448-408-097.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 00:14:45 Can I send anyone else a copy of our demands. Just give me your e-mail address Oct 16 00:15:13 * OccupyBoston508 (~OccupyBos@qxnq-317-41-726-106.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 00:15:32 * OccupyBoston508 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 00:15:32 * stevie02780 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 00:15:41 post it on the wiki: http://occupyboston.wikispaces.com/message/list/Home Oct 16 00:15:45 as a disucssion topic Oct 16 00:15:59 then link everyone there Oct 16 00:16:55 is this move isolated to NY and Chicago or is something going on in the park herein boston media? Oct 16 00:16:57 * kale79 (~williamle@doxm-3-09-c8-rs-74-09.cpe.beld.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 00:17:45 seems like it's localized to wash sq and most people left there already Oct 16 00:17:52 good Oct 16 00:18:16 they push you out of the park, just start marching the streets Oct 16 00:18:19 * inner_vacations has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 16 00:19:29 seems like what happened Oct 16 00:19:36 i hear most people are back at zucotti Oct 16 00:19:56 seems like a fantastic day of state smashing all in all Oct 16 00:20:06 hurrah Oct 16 00:20:40 www.justin.tv/campouttchi Oct 16 00:20:40 chicago Oct 16 00:20:54 * Burrito has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 16 00:21:17 sorry we cannot find that cideo Oct 16 00:21:41 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: @OccupyChicago We just went through this. Get as many people out there with cameras taking pictures and vid as possible #Occupyboston - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125424982904946688 Oct 16 00:21:42 [Twitter] Occupy_Boston: RT @OccupyChicago: The world is watching! CPD let us stay! Remember you are the 99% too! JOIN US CPD!!!! #TakeTheHorse #occupychi #campo ... - http://twitter.com/Occupy_Boston/statuses/125425052211609600 Oct 16 00:22:19 thats awesome Oct 16 00:25:09 * OccupyBoston830 (~OccupyBos@nxb-12-65-765-02.neo.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 00:26:05 * OccupyBoston830 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 00:27:13 * OccupyBoston367 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 16 00:27:28 * OccupyBoston152 (~OccupyBos@s-19-288-6-886.hsd3.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 00:27:58 * bare has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 16 00:28:02 * OccupyBoston564 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 16 00:28:38 Deval Patrick is a millionaire pig and is part of the problem. Do not invite him back! Oct 16 00:29:03 ^^^^ yes he is Oct 16 00:29:13 * BigWhopper99 (~BigWhoppe@lsdb-48-104-05-234.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 00:29:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @RaniaKhalek: From the outside looks like #OccupyBoston #OccupyChicago #OccupyDenver #OccupyWallStreet under sum sort of coordinated riot asssault #ows - http://twitter.com/Pedro_N_Marquez/statuses/125427938609995776 Oct 16 00:29:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @ScottSwezey: Agreed RT @RaniaKhalek From outside looks like #OccupyBoston #OccupyChicago #OccupyDenver #OWS under coordinated riot assault - http://twitter.com/lynn_brewer/statuses/125427947602587649 Oct 16 00:29:54 he worked at Ameriquest the corrupt subprime mortgage lender. Oct 16 00:31:30 * OccupyBoston141 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 16 00:31:48 * OccupyBoston931 (~OccupyBos@nwqb-179-2-23-934.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 00:32:42 * OccupyBoston931 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 00:33:14 * Resistance (~mexican@nxb-64-55-200-822.satx.res.rr.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 00:33:14 * OccupyBoston628 (~OccupyBos@f-30-94-677-143.hsd5.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 00:33:28 * OccupyBoston144 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 16 00:33:44 * BigWhopper99 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 00:34:42 * kale79 has quit (Quit: kale79) Oct 16 00:35:04 * OccupyBoston114 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 16 00:35:54 * OccupyBoston628 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 00:37:09 live ustream from Washington Park, NYC: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/we-are-the-other-99 Oct 16 00:41:56 I tried occupyboston.wikispaces and it doesn't allow me to download a pdf document. Also doesn't allow enough space for me to cut and paste. So again, anyone who would like a pdf copy of our list of demands, type in your e-mail address and I will send it to you right now Oct 16 00:43:13 Common. Anyone out there? Oct 16 00:44:23 * bdkg (~bdkg@74.61.zin.qx) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 00:45:50 bdkg, would you like a copy of our list of demands. If so, give me your e-mail address Oct 16 00:46:11 * siegfail (~AndChat@gx02145a2.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 00:46:27 OccupyBoston330: what list of demands? Oct 16 00:46:31 * leftyfb gives channel operator status to siegfail Oct 16 00:46:33 hey siegfail Oct 16 00:46:34 Sigh... Oct 16 00:46:46 Hello! Oct 16 00:46:55 siegfail: has anyone tested the wireless in logistics yet? It should be working now Oct 16 00:47:09 The reason why we are marching and protesting. What we want to change in our government Oct 16 00:47:31 I'll try now Oct 16 00:47:41 OccupyBoston330: we who? Where did you get the list? Oct 16 00:49:13 It doesn't matter where it came from. it's a living document that will continue to change and grow as more people get it and share it. Oct 16 00:49:17 * siegfail has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 16 00:49:27 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @ForFawkesSake: @kaaashif: Rally stopped in front of the Bank of America building. Noise is deafening. #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/NerdyTraveler/statuses/125432729427918848 Oct 16 00:49:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @mermaidsrcsluts: "@7WhiteRabbits: 15K people watching #BostonPolice beating and arresting peaceful protesters in #OccupyBoston #TheWholeWorldisWatchin" - http://twitter.com/quicklikerodly/statuses/125432857635192832 Oct 16 00:50:10 * siegfail (~AndChat@50.12.rzo.ju) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 00:50:34 OccupyBoston330: it most certainly matters where it comes from. The official statements from from the media group based on consensus at the general assembly meetings Oct 16 00:50:35 man new york is occupying like a motherfucker Oct 16 00:50:38 putting us to shame Oct 16 00:51:00 * AndChat| (~AndChat@gx02145a2.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 00:52:27 Still ain't working :-( Oct 16 00:52:31 :/ Oct 16 00:52:34 MediaTent: you there? Oct 16 00:52:45 yeah we're looking for something Oct 16 00:53:19 Why are people getting beaten by police? What makes this fight worth fighting? Don't you have an oppinion? Is you're oppinion based on concensus as well? Get this document, share what you agree with, don't share what you don't agree with. In any case, it's important the the Republicans know their is a reason why we fight. There are significant changes we want to be made in order for us to stop protesting. Oct 16 00:53:34 and watching the chicago and washington square live streams and tweeting and calling people in those locations Oct 16 00:53:35 MediaTent: when you get a chance, can you confirm that the linksys router has a total of 3 ethernet cables plugged into the back? It should be a black, gray and white cable. Oct 16 00:54:04 yes there are Oct 16 00:54:24 * siegfail has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 16 00:54:33 all three Oct 16 00:54:51 MediaTent: There can you confirm that the port the gray cable is plugged into is lit up on the front?(you'll have to look at the back to see what port# it's plugged into) Oct 16 00:55:29 yes it is Oct 16 00:55:43 odd Oct 16 00:55:52 * AndChat| is now known as OBLogistics-Rene Oct 16 00:55:53 it should be working in logistics then Oct 16 00:56:00 Yeah... Oct 16 00:56:01 well Oct 16 00:56:26 Oh, maybe it's because I'm on a tablet? Oct 16 00:56:36 [Occupy Boston] Possible Police Actions in New York and Chicago - http://occupyboston.com/2011/10/16/possible-police-actions-in-new-york-and-chicago/ Oct 16 00:56:43 technically shouldn't matter Oct 16 00:56:56 but using a laptop to test as well might be a good idea .... if possible Oct 16 00:56:59 Yeah, I know. I can try again. brb Oct 16 00:57:05 well Oct 16 00:57:18 Let me see if there are any here. Oct 16 00:58:44 Tying out a smartphone now. Oct 16 00:58:46 * OccupyBoston330 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 16 00:59:12 Anyone got any good jokes? Oct 16 00:59:28 bored? :) Oct 16 01:00:01 * OccupyBoston152 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 16 01:00:15 Here's a good joke: "Republican Integrity" lol Oct 16 01:00:18 ok, so it worked for someone else. I just suck. Oct 16 01:00:34 So, a thousand mathmaticians walk into a bar... Oct 16 01:01:00 first one orders one beer. second orders half a beer. third one orders 1/8 beer... Oct 16 01:01:20 bartender gets pissed off and just pours two beers. "Here. You work it out." Oct 16 01:01:49 oh shit Oct 16 01:01:50 I fucked the math Oct 16 01:01:56 [facepalm] Oct 16 01:02:03 lol Oct 16 01:02:24 A neutrino and a photon go into a bar, and the photon says, "Let's get a beer." The neutrino answers, "I'm one step ahead of you!" Oct 16 01:02:27 also Oct 16 01:02:29 just.. god damn it Oct 16 01:02:35 I screwed the whole joke. I suck Oct 16 01:02:44 it's supposed to be an infinite number of mathmaticians. Oct 16 01:02:45 I hate me. Oct 16 01:02:47 goodnight Oct 16 01:02:51 lol Oct 16 01:03:21 * OBLogistics-Rene has quit (Quit: Bye) Oct 16 01:05:58 * OccupyBoston733 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 16 01:06:00 ll Oct 16 01:06:15 heya Oct 16 01:06:37 im tryiing to get the GA mins updated on the wiki I have started cleaning up the page Oct 16 01:06:39 http://occupyboston.wikispaces.com/GA+Minutes Oct 16 01:07:02 I need mins files for Oct 8 and the 11th through the 15th Oct 16 01:07:28 oh and the 7th Oct 16 01:07:57 that looks good jmagly Oct 16 01:08:37 * ZanzibarMan has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Oct 16 01:08:59 thx, now if I could get those other files without having to stalk people that would be amazing, ill prob have to do some hunting in camp tomorrow though lol Oct 16 01:09:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] free speech is the friend of change and revolution, it is also the deadliest enemy of tyranny #ows #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/canne36/statuses/125437968876974080 Oct 16 01:09:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @MelissaTweets: Uh RT @ANP14: Why the American Nazi Party supports #OWS http://t.co/ti24X3Qo #occupywallst #occupyseattle #occupywallstreet #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/politiJim/statuses/125438017266655234 Oct 16 01:10:27 also have finance now http://occupyboston.wikispaces.com/Finance+Specialists Oct 16 01:10:55 if anyonee is spending money out of pocket for stuff posts the costs here and we will try and find ways to defray those better Oct 16 01:11:47 think I'm up around $200 by now :) Oct 16 01:11:48 * OccupyBoston376 (~OccupyBos@786-705-90-33.c0-9.bkl-ubr6.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 01:12:03 but I'm considering them donations Oct 16 01:12:03 * OccupyBoston376 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 01:12:08 oh i know Oct 16 01:12:29 but i think we want to try and get a better understanding of the underlying costs to operate Oct 16 01:12:45 so even take dontaions of matierals and translante into dollars Oct 16 01:13:01 thi will help the finance group come up with strageties to help sustain the camp Oct 16 01:13:01 put me down for a $100 Eye-fi I bought and donated Oct 16 01:13:21 ok $100 Eye-Fi Oct 16 01:14:12 * OccupyBoston500 (~OccupyBos@96.237.hk.in) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 01:14:13 I've hauled three vanloads of stuff down so far at 415 per trip for gas Oct 16 01:14:19 the other things were things like the 2 white extension cords and 4 night-lights in the charging station tent .... Oct 16 01:14:23 $15 Oct 16 01:14:26 and food Oct 16 01:14:27 per Oct 16 01:14:43 * bdkg has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 16 01:14:44 my wife brought in 2 bags worth of canned food, rice, silverware, etc Oct 16 01:15:01 ok, i would like to requedt if possible Oct 16 01:15:10 and ill talk to some folks while im down there Oct 16 01:15:22 that we try and keep recipts if possible Oct 16 01:15:44 the logisitics people should do it as stuff comes in Oct 16 01:15:49 if someone donantes please have thme bring thier recipts is possible Oct 16 01:15:50 yes Oct 16 01:15:57 i'll remember that going forward ... don't have the receipts for past purchases Oct 16 01:16:03 thats ok Oct 16 01:16:08 we will do our best to estimate Oct 16 01:16:24 if we can get some data together quikly we can start forcasting real costs Oct 16 01:16:26 Gas prices are eating me alive Oct 16 01:16:33 we need to find sustainability quick Oct 16 01:16:41 * OccupyBoston482 (~OccupyBos@l-47-680-85-58.hsd8.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 01:16:58 * OccupyBoston482 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 01:17:02 * kizmut -=Stream is LIVE with 36 viewers @ http://livestream.com/occupyboston Oct 16 01:17:21 and as much as some of us may dislike money, its going to be key to some extent in our success Oct 16 01:17:55 Hi MediaTent! Oct 16 01:18:02 * OccupyBoston944 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 16 01:18:05 oh and OB994 you are awsome for bringing that much Oct 16 01:18:16 damn too slow Oct 16 01:18:28 and wrongname Oct 16 01:18:41 boooo Oct 16 01:18:53 I was watching you guys on the livestream :) Oct 16 01:19:02 * kizmut -=Stream is offline with 39 viewers @ http://livestream.com/occupyboston Oct 16 01:19:15 yayy livestream is up Oct 16 01:19:19 good job media! Oct 16 01:19:23 it was Oct 16 01:19:25 now it's gone Oct 16 01:19:31 * schmiddy1101 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) Oct 16 01:19:37 yup ded Oct 16 01:20:09 * OccupyBoston500 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 16 01:20:12 video streaming is such a bitch to get working in sucky conditions Oct 16 01:20:33 i had a team that did this for the US Navy back in '01 for war games Oct 16 01:20:45 man we spent 6 months getting everything just right Oct 16 01:20:55 the web interface was the easy part Oct 16 01:21:11 leftyfb, how goes life out in the warzone? Oct 16 01:21:56 Hunterkll: I went home for the night Oct 16 01:27:39 it got quiet in here Oct 16 01:28:49 BOOOO Oct 16 01:29:32 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] I honestly admire your passion and genuine will for real change. We have to keep up! TOGETHER! #globalchange #ows #occupyboston #syntagma - http://twitter.com/karistodimos/statuses/125442734570995713 Oct 16 01:29:33 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #occupychicago live-stream http://t.co/rS6aKJw2 #occupydenver #OWS #occupytogether #occupyla #occupydc #occupyboston #occupytheworld - http://twitter.com/Anon_is_you/statuses/125443004679979008 Oct 16 01:36:46 * moonunitzappa has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 16 01:36:54 oh im still here Oct 16 01:36:57 working on wiki Oct 16 01:37:03 directions page needs help Oct 16 01:38:22 * freewill has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 16 01:38:30 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Church Service hosted by The Freedom Church - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=NHY5aDh0bWx2dnZoNDhtajFic292ZmQwYjQgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 16 01:38:31 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Collective, Interfaith Service - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=dHFodG45aWQxam5yaDFqOW40NW9pZzVhZDQgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 16 01:38:32 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] UU Vespers Service - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=bXBhNm1hamsxMG0yc21lYTNwbHFxbTA1azggOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 16 01:40:31 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Occupy Boston, Not Palestine - Demonstration - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=cDJsaGJhNG5vdTA2MjJ0Nm1sMm9vY3JsODAgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 16 01:44:31 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Creative Arts Event (with the Workmen's Circle) - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=cmc5MTh1MXV1M3NwcDUxaDdxNGM3NDc1ZXMgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 16 01:46:30 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Radical Songs of the Jewish Left - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=NnQ4Nmc0OHZpdGtodGduOGliNTcyNmJhaDAgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 16 01:46:31 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Lesson by Rabbi Victor Reinstein - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=MTFodWpsY3R0bHRkZmlxbGo0YjQ3bTBvaWMgOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 16 01:46:56 http://occupyboston.com/2011/10/15/mass-governor-deval-patrick-stopped-by-this-morning/ Oct 16 01:46:59 wow. Oct 16 01:47:30 that's interesting. I have to say, if all he was doing was trying to learn, then I applaud him. there is the concern that he was looking for information as to how to bust us up, but insofar as we stand for transparency, I can hardly hold this as an issue. Oct 16 01:47:56 perhaps he'll now recognize how foolish sending state troopers in riot gear was and will continue to be. Oct 16 01:50:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @KeithOlbermann: For those asking "where is the media coverage of the police riot at #OccupyBoston" - Twitter IS the media coverage. Follow @Occupy_Boston - http://twitter.com/Eristophanes/statuses/125447696449417216 Oct 16 01:50:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Okay #OccupyBoston friends, who wants to dress up like Batman and go close their Bank of America (or other megabank) account? #bestplanever - http://twitter.com/eheat/statuses/125448003774459904 Oct 16 01:53:05 * GeoBos (~geobos@v-45-93-566-044.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 01:54:54 * MediaTent has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 16 01:55:49 ... Oct 16 02:00:17 http://www.theblaze.com/stories/american-nazi-party-endorses-occupy-wall-streets-courage-tells-members-to-support-protests-and-fight-judeo-capitalist-banksters/ lol Oct 16 02:02:10 * GeoBos has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi) Oct 16 02:08:18 * gasmonkey (~thomasfab@q-402-86-17-512.hsd9.fl.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 02:08:36 * gasmonkey has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 02:11:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #OccupyWallSt #OccupyDC #OccupyLA #OccupyDallas #OccupyBoston From Tahrir Square to Times Square 1500 Cities Worldwide http://t.co/6lod0pPt - http://twitter.com/Mr__Guzz/statuses/125452762845675521 Oct 16 02:11:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] South Station looms, a monument to grand public infrastructure for the greater good. Dream big #occupyboston http://t.co/Msm5BLGw - http://twitter.com/KevinAMaley/statuses/125453016089362433 Oct 16 02:16:12 * OccupyBoston has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 16 02:16:17 * OccupyBoston383 (~OccupyBos@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 02:16:24 * MediaTent (~MediaTent@50.12.rzo.ju) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 02:16:24 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to MediaTent Oct 16 02:18:09 * Shidash (~Shidash@r-88-461-552-58.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 02:18:38 hi MediaTent Oct 16 02:23:49 * OccupyBoston383 has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) Oct 16 02:25:49 hello all Oct 16 02:30:56 * OccupyBoston428 (~OccupyBos@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 02:31:25 * OccupyBoston428 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 02:31:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Mike Check for president! Vote Mike Check! #occupytogether #occupyboston #ows #thisiswhatdemocracylookslike #BostonGA #occupy #peoplesmike - http://twitter.com/tamarleigh/statuses/125458406860537856 Oct 16 02:32:00 * siegfail (~AndChat@gx02145a2.tmodns.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 02:33:21 * playersball (~playersba@229.sub-34-803-91.myvzw.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 02:35:12 * playersball has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 02:48:58 * cattails (~cattails@isais.torservers.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 02:49:50 * pacifiedcitizen (~pacifiedc@s-66-28-42-76.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 02:50:25 Amazing first visit today, thank you everyone. Oct 16 02:50:59 * pacifiedcitizen has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 02:51:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Members of @USDayofRage applying to NYPD http://t.co/1nVaW4Kf #OccupyWallStreet #USDoR #Sept17 #Occupyseattle #occupychicago #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/9_11Survivor/statuses/125463613157818369 Oct 16 02:52:33 * OccupyBoston475 (~OccupyBos@m-388-39-35-071.hsd7.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 02:55:07 * OccupyBoston475 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 02:58:28 http://occupyboston.wikispaces.com/file/view/occupy-boston-camp-layout_large.png Oct 16 03:00:15 how much of that is currently filled up? Oct 16 03:00:48 all of it Oct 16 03:00:55 * Shidash has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 16 03:01:09 fantastic Oct 16 03:03:24 * Hunterkll has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 16 03:11:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] to ppl @ the #occupyBoston: helping #Libya ddnt harm ur econony, it was already Fd, plus, defreeze our frozen money, we can easily pay u bk - http://twitter.com/Douuu/statuses/125468170889867264 Oct 16 03:11:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @OccupyChicago a blind man had his cane taken away and he was dragged to a paddy wagon. #ows #occupytogether #powerinnumbers #occupyboston - http://twitter.com/_soap_box_/statuses/125468386682613760 Oct 16 03:18:44 * Shidash (~Shidash@r-88-461-552-58.hsd9.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 03:19:02 * kizmut -=Stream is LIVE with 37 viewers @ http://livestream.com/occupyboston Oct 16 03:22:54 * Shidash has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 16 03:22:57 * MediaTent has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) Oct 16 03:27:02 * kizmut -=Stream is offline with 37 viewers @ http://livestream.com/occupyboston Oct 16 03:31:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] an articulate caution re equating labor&debt inequalities w/slavery http://t.co/8j90xqBB #occupyboston #ows #occupychicago #occupymn - http://twitter.com/gydjn/statuses/125473119052894208 Oct 16 03:31:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @YourAnonNews: If going to #OccupyDenver, #OccupyBoston, or #OccupyWallstreet bring swim goggles for protection! (NOT a joke) - http://twitter.com/oPHILOSORAPTORo/statuses/125473150526951425 Oct 16 03:36:50 * axb21 (~abucci@uvag-10-205-262-745.lv.lv.cox.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 03:42:08 * axb21 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 16 03:42:26 * axb21 (~abucci@uvag-10-205-262-745.lv.lv.cox.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 03:48:08 * cattails has quit (Quit: Leaving.) Oct 16 03:51:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @NatalieAmora: #OCCUPYSACRAMENTO GETTING HEAVY COPS ABOUT TO ARREST!!! #OCCUPYWALLSTREET #OCCUPYNYC #OCCUPYBOSTON http://t.co/PyRnRlWe - http://twitter.com/Anonymous_Intel/statuses/125477640764264449 Oct 16 03:51:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #OccupyDallas #OWS #OccupyEverything #AwakeningAmerica #OFW #OccupyIndy #OccupyChi #OccupyBoston #OccupySeattle http://t.co/Iz4aromv - http://twitter.com/docsavage96/statuses/125477781386698752 Oct 16 04:09:44 * WooF is now known as Jugashvili Oct 16 04:10:03 * Jugashvili is now known as WooF Oct 16 04:11:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] NYPD literally knocks out a woman --> http://t.co/7IEdfiD2 #OccupyDenver #OWS #OccupyBoston #OccupyChicago - http://twitter.com/CannedRock/statuses/125483295067746304 Oct 16 04:11:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @CannedRock: NYPD literally knocks out a woman --> http://t.co/7IEdfiD2 #OccupyDenver #OWS #OccupyBoston #OccupyChicago - http://twitter.com/Anonymous_Intel/statuses/125483536034709504 Oct 16 04:18:13 * OccupyBoston198 (~OccupyBos@209.6.nqv.yui) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 04:18:37 * OccupyBoston198 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 04:27:24 * ooride (~0_0@nl39-390-49-726.oc.oc.cox.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 04:29:20 * THE (~THE@178.209.oh.zt) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 04:29:33 HI Oct 16 04:30:27 * THE has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 04:31:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Photo - Great #OccupyWallStreet Slogan! #OccupyTogether #OWS #US #OccupyLA #usdor #OccupyDC #Oct15 #OccupyBoston http://t.co/SX9T0fiK - http://twitter.com/inwpress/statuses/125488722841047041 Oct 16 04:34:45 * theonlytruestyle2 (~theonlytr@017-076-586-16.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 04:42:13 * Charlie-Boo (~Charlie-B@m-80-442-308-836.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 04:45:01 "justice and the struggle for justice is what love looks like in public" That doesn't make any sense. You can have justice or struggles for it in private. If you struggle for justice for somneone else then that is love. If you strive only for justice for yourself, it isw not love but is only selfishness. Oct 16 04:46:04 * Charlie-Boo has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 04:51:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] But, I must say, Go #OccupyBoston and Glad to hear about #OccupyRussia! #OccupyMoscow - http://twitter.com/Ladystardust24/statuses/125492378881622016 Oct 16 04:51:32 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] I, for one, will not stand against people who are standing against injustice. Will you? Stand with us! #occupyboston #occupytogether #ows - http://twitter.com/tamarleigh/statuses/125493804647202816 Oct 16 04:54:54 * AnonSikko (~dalanon@blx-cffz-pmxjfc-8zz1.kromyon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 05:02:00 * AnonSikko (~dalanon@blx-cffz-pmxjfc-8zz1.kromyon.net) has left #occupyboston Oct 16 05:04:20 * WooF is now known as WooF|slp Oct 16 05:12:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] LAZY FUCKS @ #occupysandiego #occupywallstreet #occupychi #occupyboston #OccupyAmerica #OccupyLA #occupyportland #occupyatl #OccupyDetroit - http://twitter.com/MeatJams/statuses/125494978620297216 Oct 16 05:12:32 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Watching OCCUPY SACRAMENTO http://t.co/Au1lJcgL via @livestream #occupywallstreet #ows #occupyboston #occupyLX #occupysanfrancisco - http://twitter.com/setv/statuses/125498133332504577 Oct 16 05:32:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Trespassing for #democracy:Protesters arrested nationwide, #OccupyWallStreet rallies grow http://t.co/BSDatwyw #occupyBoston #OccupyChicago - http://twitter.com/BunkerHillPub/statuses/125503041062436864 Oct 16 05:32:32 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Trespassing for #democracy:Protesters arrested nationwide, #OccupyWallStreet rallies grow http://t.co/c4LM6Wwv #occupyBoston #OccupyChicago - http://twitter.com/BHPanimalwatch/statuses/125503041234419712 Oct 16 05:47:24 * countershade has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 16 05:50:02 * calciform (~phreaky@247.02.544.67.rev.sfr.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 05:52:30 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] PHOTOS: Peace Marchers Join with #OccupyBoston on Global Day of Action http://t.co/KC0L5zLQ - http://twitter.com/openmediaboston/statuses/125505805746307072 Oct 16 05:52:31 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @YourAnonNews: If going to #OccupyDenver, #OccupyBoston, or #OccupyWallstreet bring swim goggles for protection! (NOT a joke) - http://twitter.com/GyakuDoX/statuses/125505861794795521 Oct 16 06:06:24 * theonlytruestyle2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 16 06:12:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] @Revhanker Good morning Hank! How's by you & #occupyboston this morning? building a new city of refuge? - http://twitter.com/revnaomi/statuses/125513437022404609 Oct 16 06:12:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @BHPanimalwatch: Trespassing for #democracy:Protesters arrested nationwide, #OccupyWallStreet rallies grow http://t.co/c4LM6Wwv #occupyBoston #OccupyChicago - http://twitter.com/abissicus/statuses/125513994055331840 Oct 16 06:30:20 * theonlytruestyle2 (~theonlytr@017-076-586-16.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 06:35:59 * Putrescentia (~Putrescen@d69-0.condornet.sk) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 06:36:28 * Putrescentia has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 06:49:18 * OccupyBoston717 (~OccupyBos@z-29-67-669-58.hsd2.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 06:51:59 * OccupyBoston217 (~OccupyBos@yzhdi-sek-xj55.proxy.aol.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 06:52:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Photo: IMG_2780: AndrewH2010 posted a photo: http://t.co/nQukTCLm #occupyBoston #ows - http://twitter.com/OccupyPics/statuses/125520377962180608 Oct 16 06:52:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @NatalieAmora: our government bails out goldman sachs w/ OUR money, but when i fuck up who bails me out!? NO ONE #occupywallstreet #occupyboston #occupynyc - http://twitter.com/sexydiamond69/statuses/125523219292758016 Oct 16 06:52:29 * OccupyBoston217 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 06:56:35 * OccupyBoston321 (~OccupyBos@351-273-390-786.dyn.grandenetworks.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 06:57:56 * OccupyBoston321 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 07:10:34 * OccupyBoston591 (~OccupyBos@v-16-753-827-08.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 07:11:47 * Kt has quit (Quit: Leaving) Oct 16 07:12:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] #OccupyBoston forces cancellation of Food Drive for the Poor in Dewey Square. How does this help the 99%? is.gd/gH3CS3 #whatstheplan? - http://twitter.com/BankerMark/statuses/125528514446372864 Oct 16 07:12:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Photo: IMG_2803: AndrewH2010 posted a photo: http://t.co/b75uZcw7 #occupyBoston #ows - http://twitter.com/OccupyPics/statuses/125529192933765121 Oct 16 07:29:50 * OccupyBoston082 (~OccupyBos@regc-149-73-6-97.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 07:30:50 * OccupyBoston082 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 07:32:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Women For 99% - Join Occupy Wall Street http://t.co/FMDujJVE http://t.co/7Hvc5hvI #OccupyWallStreet #OWS #99% Wall Street #OccupyBoston - http://twitter.com/KnightsOfLabor7/statuses/125534220507549697 Oct 16 07:32:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @2012revolution: #OCCUPYBOSTON marching through Downtown Boston on October 15th, 2011 #OCCUPYWALLSTREET http://t.co/MFGVxVwK - http://twitter.com/weiss_schwarz/statuses/125534410685681664 Oct 16 07:35:49 * occupyEverything (~occupyEve@oypz-54-945-77-56.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 07:36:34 * occupyEverything has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 07:37:23 * stevie02780 (~stevie027@kqey-21-448-408-097.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 07:38:41 * stevie02780 has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 07:47:01 * Kt (~Kt@kqjcfj.imrua.org) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 07:48:46 * zorro (~zorro@032-4-412-482.c6-8.bkl-ubr9.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 07:49:48 * occupyEverything (~occupyEve@oypz-54-945-77-56.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 07:50:59 * occupyEverything has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 07:52:28 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] RT @Anonymous_Intel: RT @BankerMark: #OccupyBoston forces cancellation of Food Drive for the Poor in Dewey Square. 99% fail? is.gd/gH3CS3 - http://twitter.com/staysuplate/statuses/125536861065199616 Oct 16 07:52:29 [#occupyboston - Twitter Search] Photo: DSCN2511: http://t.co/UjrNehce posted a photo: http://t.co/vtvVQojJ #occupyBoston #ows - http://twitter.com/OccupyPics/statuses/125537499626995712 Oct 16 07:53:04 * zorro has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 07:54:45 * OccupyEverything (~OccupyEve@oypz-54-945-77-56.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #occupyboston Oct 16 07:55:50 testing... Oct 16 07:56:34 [Occupy Boston Events Calendar] Talia Comedy Troop - http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=NjJvM2lsZW1mZG9tOTdzdHAydXE5NmZkYjggOW85MG90NnBsOGJqbWdqcGUzN2J2NWh0NDRAZw Oct 16 07:56:56 * OccupyEverything has quit (Client Quit) Oct 16 07:59:17 Tcl interface unloaded Oct 16 07:59:17 Python interface unloaded **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Oct 16 07:59:17 2011