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Eyarden at 20:47, 26 August 2012

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	BrianC: Hi Terra, I think others, when saying 'Full Cost Accounting' mean something different. Below I'm pasting two paragraphs on it.		BrianC: Hi Terra, I think others, when saying 'Full Cost Accounting' mean something different. Below I'm pasting two paragraphs on it.
	Terra: I can work on this with detail/references (or anyone else can). But until we get detailed references, here is my take on the need for "full cost accounting", which I view as both "cash flow detail" AND "balance sheet reporting".		Terra: I can work on this with detail/references (or anyone else can). But until we get detailed references, here is my take on the need for "full cost accounting", which I view as both "cash flow detail" AND "balance sheet reporting".

			Elie: This illustrates the problem of assigning titles to paragraphs. The paragraph applies several principles to a statement. In making the statement thatI wrote invoking more than one principle, the underlying value was Ecological Wisdom which among other things suggests that it is useful for the left hand to know what the right hand is doing and that continuous auditing of expenditures might provide triggers to let anyone who wishes to look know. So in addition to the concern with the role of government in generating excessive disparities of income, the relation between 'subjective' sociality and 'objective' is addressed and thus the opportunity given to any inhabitant of the polity, city, or state to sing, "It ain't necessarily so!"
			Thus, continuous auditing is intended cope with what Terra describes as the current situation, and an additional following paragraph explicating full-cost accounting might strengthen the basic Party Platform. Ill try it in double brackets on the main pageReform. [end]


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	Treated as 'externalities' in current economic practice, and as the source of all wealth by classical economics, the full cost can be measured by the economic activity required in the absence of expropriation by the use of private capital. And taxed accordingly for the common good, except where the activity is declared unlawful.		Treated as 'externalities' in current economic practice, and as the source of all wealth by classical economics, the full cost can be measured by the economic activity required in the absence of expropriation by the use of private capital. And taxed accordingly for the common good, except where the activity is declared unlawful.

	~~Edited~~ Full Cost Accounting:		Alternate: Full Cost Accounting takes externalities into account. Externalities are costs like the damage from pollution that can be avoided by some producers, but should be included in prices so that buyers face the economic cost of their actions as they decide to buy. For example, most automobile exhaust worsens asthma. If the price of treating that asthma were incorporated in the price of fuel at the pump, then a step toward full cost accounting would be completed.
	~~The dependence of human activity on~~ the ~~total environment places a limit on~~ that ~~which may~~ be ~~appropriated or owned~~. ~~Air~~, ~~drinkable water, and~~ the ~~greater area~~ of the ~~earth's crust are~~ the ~~commons [cut: of all living things] independent of human ownership~~, and ~~any taking or damaging of this 'natural capital' must be included by ecological accounting in prices~~.		Full Cost Accounting strives to include environmental, social and economic costs and benefits into our governmental and individual decisions.

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			BrianC: Hi Terra, I think others, when saying 'Full Cost Accounting' mean something different. Below I'm pasting two paragraphs on it.
	Terra: I can work on this with detail/references (or anyone else can). But until we get detailed references, here is my take on the need for "full cost accounting", which I view as both "cash flow detail" AND "balance sheet reporting".		Terra: I can work on this with detail/references (or anyone else can). But until we get detailed references, here is my take on the need for "full cost accounting", which I view as both "cash flow detail" AND "balance sheet reporting".

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	Further, where we DO get balance sheet impacts before the vote, they are NOT reconciled in a holistic fashion. So for example, where a developer proposes a shopping mall. The traffic engineer, paid for by the town planner who wants development (another story), says "no impact" to the traffic situation. BUT that is "FOR THE PROJECT", not including all projects currently on the table or allowed by zoning. Slopping planning. Allowed, encouraged by property/profit-oriented society.		Further, where we DO get balance sheet impacts before the vote, they are NOT reconciled in a holistic fashion. So for example, where a developer proposes a shopping mall. The traffic engineer, paid for by the town planner who wants development (another story), says "no impact" to the traffic situation. BUT that is "FOR THE PROJECT", not including all projects currently on the table or allowed by zoning. Slopping planning. Allowed, encouraged by property/profit-oriented society.

			Full Cost Accounting:
			The dependence of human activity on the total environment places a limit on that which may be appropriated or owned. Air, drinkable water, and greater area of the earth's crust are the commons of all living things independently of human ownership, and any taking or damaging of this 'natural capital' is required by ecological accounting.
			Treated as 'externalities' in current economic practice, and as the source of all wealth by classical economics, the full cost can be measured by the economic activity required in the absence of expropriation by the use of private capital. And taxed accordingly for the common good, except where the activity is declared unlawful.

			Edited Full Cost Accounting:
			The dependence of human activity on the total environment places a limit on that which may be appropriated or owned. Air, drinkable water, and the greater area of the earth's crust are the commons [cut: of all living things] independent of human ownership, and any taking or damaging of this 'natural capital' must be included by ecological accounting in prices.

Terra at 20:10, 22 August 2012

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	Terra: I can work on this with detail/references. But until we get detailed references, here is my take on the need for "full cost accounting", which I view as both "cash flow detail" AND "balance sheet reporting".		[[http://wiki.occupyboston.org/wiki/Green_Rainbow_Party_Platform_Working_Group Back to main GRP page]]

			Terra: I can work on this with detail/references (or anyone else can). But until we get detailed references, here is my take on the need for "full cost accounting", which I view as both "cash flow detail" AND "balance sheet reporting".

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Terra at 20:04, 22 August 2012

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	Full-Cost-Accounting, in the cash-flow sense, IMHO, is to make sure that we (the public) can "drill down" to all and any government expenditure. To the check level. In a format that's easily "managable" and "analyzable". Like Excel files.		Full-Cost-Accounting, in the cash-flow sense, IMHO, is to make sure that we (the public) can "drill down" to all and any government expenditure. To the checking account "check-level". In a format that's easily "managable" and "analyzable". Like Excel files.

	Many government people (and legislators that go around saying that we should "trust our people" and not push for this) think that full-cost accounoting is already "done" now. Yes, they are right in the sense that we, you and I, can walk up to any Town Hall or state finance clerk and ask to see the records.		Many government people (and legislators that go around saying that we should "trust our people" and not push for this) think that full-cost accounoting is already "done" now. Yes, they are right in the sense that we, you and I, can walk up to any Town Hall or state finance clerk and ask to see the records.

Terra at 17:12, 22 August 2012

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	Assets include everything that the organization considers "financial positives". For example, cash in the bank. Investments. And in the public realm, assets like "the commons"...land, paintings, etc.		Assets include everything that the organization considers "financial positives". For example, cash in the bank. Investments. And in the public realm, assets like "the commons"...land, paintings, etc.

	Liabilities are "financial obligations". These include everything from future obligations for "existing debt", as well as things unique to the government realm. For example, future obligations for water infrastructure.		Liabilities are "financial obligations". These include everything from future obligations for "existing debt", as well as things unique to the government realm. For example, future obligations for water infrastructure. Every time someone proposes a housing project, the future obligation for new populations increase...roads, water, etc. These future obligations are NEVER included in planning docs, except as "imagined increases". So the "imagined increases" are assumed as a "natural progression of growth", rather than as an "option" in our policy making. In this way, growth will NEVER be reconciled. We are just digging ourselves deeper and deeper into a debt and eco-disaster hole. [side note, we could develop a new balance sheet method, something akin to an eco-balance sheet, with measurements toward a healthy eco system, to show how votes either contribute to assets (healthy eco system) or detriment (toxins set loose in environment)]

	Yes, we need to be "efficient" in how we calculate these numbers, because we don't want to weigh down our government to "over report". But I believe this can be done efficiently. Companies do it every day. The Government Financial Officer's Association has experts that know how to do these things. And I can help. The expertise exists to do this right. Voters need to know how the votes impact the dollars. We can't reconcile policy with finances, and thus our environmental/eco-systems, if we don't understand how the shifts are made relative to the voting. Currently, what happens is that we don't see the shifts years after the vote. This is sloppy policy making.		Yes, we need to be "efficient" in how we calculate these "balance sheet" numbers, because we don't want to weigh down our government to "over report". But I believe this can be done efficiently, with most of it done automatically. Companies do it every day. The Government Financial Officer's Association has experts that know how to do these things. And I can help. The expertise exists to do this right. Voters need to know how the votes impact the dollars. We can't reconcile policy with finances, and thus our environmental/eco-systems, if we don't understand how the shifts are made relative to the voting. Currently, what happens is that we don't see the shifts years after the vote. This is sloppy policy making.

	Further, where we DO get balance sheet impacts before the vote, they are NOT reconciled in a holistic fashion. So for example, where a developer proposes a shopping mall. The traffic engineer, paid for by the town planner who wants development (another story), says "no impact" to the traffic situation. BUT that is "FOR THE PROJECT", not including all projects currently on the table or allowed by zoning. Slopping planning. Allowed, encouraged by property/profit-oriented society.		Further, where we DO get balance sheet impacts before the vote, they are NOT reconciled in a holistic fashion. So for example, where a developer proposes a shopping mall. The traffic engineer, paid for by the town planner who wants development (another story), says "no impact" to the traffic situation. BUT that is "FOR THE PROJECT", not including all projects currently on the table or allowed by zoning. Slopping planning. Allowed, encouraged by property/profit-oriented society.

Terra at 17:09, 22 August 2012

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	Terra: I can work on this with detail/references~~, but the point, for the casual observer,~~ until we get detailed references, here is my take on the need for "full cost accounting", which I view as both "cash flow detail" AND "balance sheet reporting".		Terra: I can work on this with detail/references. But until we get detailed references, here is my take on the need for "full cost accounting", which I view as both "cash flow detail" AND "balance sheet reporting".

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	So yes, full cost accounting, but in a way that allows the public to be able to monitor on a real time basis what the heck is going on. I don't mean real time, like every second. But yes, when a check is cashed, that should show up on an excel sheet somewhere, where we can analyze. Yes, the public should be able to see "actuals", as the budget-year progresses, so that we can see where money is "not" being spent...which are opportunities to re-examine budget priorities.		So yes, full cost accounting, but in a way that allows the public to be able to monitor on a real time basis what the heck is going on. I don't mean real time, like every second. But yes, when a check is cashed, that should show up on an excel sheet somewhere, where we can analyze. Yes, the public should be able to see "actuals", as the budget-year progresses, so that we can see where money is "not" being spent...which are opportunities to re-examine budget priorities.

	Ideally, and someday, I'd like actual "dashboards", which are super easy to create and modify, to allow online/real analysis by "regular people". Right now, I have to download unbelievably stupid messy Excel sheets IF I CAN GET THEM...or hand load paper copy or PDF info into Excel to be able to analyze stuff. Yes, I end up getting the info that I want. But it's a HUGE struggle and I have to torture people to get what I view as basic budget detail.		Ideally, and someday, I'd like actual "dashboards", which are super easy to create and modify, to allow online/real analysis by "regular people". Right now, I have to download unbelievably stupid messy Excel sheets IF I CAN GET THEM...or hand load paper copy or PDF info into Excel to be able to analyze stuff. Yes, I end up getting the info that I want. But it's a HUGE struggle and I have to torture people to get what I view as basic budget detail. I have a Masters in Finance, and years of public financial analysis experience. And I have tenacity and the "dangerous" lack of fear when it comes to getting the data. Those skills should NOT be required to get basic info. ANYONE...everyone should have access to the info. I post that kind of info onto my lists, when I do the analysis, but it really should come from the source...our government, our employees...

	~~This is NOT APPROPRIATE. And there~~ is NO EXCUSE. It's cheaper to do it right. I could go on and on about this. the point is that we need this NOW.		There is NO EXCUSE. It's cheaper to do it right. I could go on and on about this. the point is that we need this NOW.

	BALANCE SHEET REPORTING		BALANCE SHEET REPORTING

	A basic financial tool		A basic financial tool for managing organizations is "the balance sheet". The balance sheet shows "assets" and "liabilities". As one looks over time, and at public policy shifts, the way that assets and liabilities are calculated changes. EACH DECISION that your legislator votes on shifts the balance sheet. YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW both before and after, how these shifts will and did work.

			Assets include everything that the organization considers "financial positives". For example, cash in the bank. Investments. And in the public realm, assets like "the commons"...land, paintings, etc.

			Liabilities are "financial obligations". These include everything from future obligations for "existing debt", as well as things unique to the government realm. For example, future obligations for water infrastructure.

			Yes, we need to be "efficient" in how we calculate these numbers, because we don't want to weigh down our government to "over report". But I believe this can be done efficiently. Companies do it every day. The Government Financial Officer's Association has experts that know how to do these things. And I can help. The expertise exists to do this right. Voters need to know how the votes impact the dollars. We can't reconcile policy with finances, and thus our environmental/eco-systems, if we don't understand how the shifts are made relative to the voting. Currently, what happens is that we don't see the shifts years after the vote. This is sloppy policy making.

			Further, where we DO get balance sheet impacts before the vote, they are NOT reconciled in a holistic fashion. So for example, where a developer proposes a shopping mall. The traffic engineer, paid for by the town planner who wants development (another story), says "no impact" to the traffic situation. BUT that is "FOR THE PROJECT", not including all projects currently on the table or allowed by zoning. Slopping planning. Allowed, encouraged by property/profit-oriented society.

Terra at 17:01, 22 August 2012

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	Terra: I can work on this with detail/references, but the point, for the casual observer, is to make sure that we (the public) can "drill down" to all and any government expenditure. ~~This~~ is "done" now...in the sense that we, you and I, can walk up to any Town Hall or state finance clerk and ask to see the records. BUT what is missing is both online accounting and "real time" accounting. So what ~~you~~ get is these unbelievably convoluted paper copy reports that are impossible to decifer. This is to the advantage of many insiders. ~~What's worse is that the~~ reports are so far past the point in time that you can actually DO anything about the expenditure or potential expenditure that it takes YEARS to dig through the mess, making it extremely easy for sneaky people to put one past the public. I have a LOT of experience digging through this type of mess~~, with huge~~ successes uncovering nonsense that the public was outraged about. So yes, full cost accounting, but in a way that allows the public to be able to monitor on a real time basis what the heck is going on. I don't mean real time, like every second. But yes, when a check is cashed, that should show up on an excel sheet somewhere, where we can analyze. Ideally, and someday, I'd like actual "dashboards", which are super easy to create and modify, to allow online/real analysis by "regular people". Right now, I have to download unbelievably stupid messy Excel sheets IF I CAN GET THEM...or hand load paper copy or PDF info into Excel to be able to analyze stuff. This is NOT APPROPRIATE. And there is NO EXCUSE. It's cheaper to do it right. I could go on and on about this. the point is that we need this NOW.		Terra: I can work on this with detail/references, but the point, for the casual observer, until we get detailed references, here is my take on the need for "full cost accounting", which I view as both "cash flow detail" AND "balance sheet reporting".

			CASH FLOW DETAIL

			Full-Cost-Accounting, in the cash-flow sense, IMHO, is to make sure that we (the public) can "drill down" to all and any government expenditure. To the check level. In a format that's easily "managable" and "analyzable". Like Excel files.

			Many government people (and legislators that go around saying that we should "trust our people" and not push for this) think that full-cost accounoting is already "done" now. Yes, they are right in the sense that we, you and I, can walk up to any Town Hall or state finance clerk and ask to see the records.

			BUT what is missing is both online accounting and "real time" accounting, line item accounting, and check level reporting.

			So what we get with this current system are these unbelievably convoluted paper copy or PDF reports that are impossible to decifer. Yes, SOME agencies have gone to Excel. But this is far and few between. AND it's only for some budgets, etc.

			This lack of transparency/accessibility is to the advantage of many insiders.

			The reports are so far past the point in time that you can actually DO anything about the expenditure or potential expenditure that it takes YEARS to dig through the mess, making it extremely easy for sneaky people to put one past the public.

			I have a LOT of experience digging through this type of mess. My collaborators and I have long lists of successes uncovering nonsense that the public was outraged about.

			So yes, full cost accounting, but in a way that allows the public to be able to monitor on a real time basis what the heck is going on. I don't mean real time, like every second. But yes, when a check is cashed, that should show up on an excel sheet somewhere, where we can analyze. Yes, the public should be able to see "actuals", as the budget-year progresses, so that we can see where money is "not" being spent...which are opportunities to re-examine budget priorities.

			Ideally, and someday, I'd like actual "dashboards", which are super easy to create and modify, to allow online/real analysis by "regular people". Right now, I have to download unbelievably stupid messy Excel sheets IF I CAN GET THEM...or hand load paper copy or PDF info into Excel to be able to analyze stuff. Yes, I end up getting the info that I want. But it's a HUGE struggle and I have to torture people to get what I view as basic budget detail.

			This is NOT APPROPRIATE. And there is NO EXCUSE. It's cheaper to do it right. I could go on and on about this. the point is that we need this NOW.

			BALANCE SHEET REPORTING

			A basic financial tool

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Terra: I can work on this with detail/references, but the point, for the casual observer, is to make sure that we (the public) can "drill down" to all and any government expenditure. This is "done" now...in the sense that we, you and I, can walk up to any Town Hall or state finance clerk and ask to see the records. BUT what is missing is both online accounting and "real time" accounting. So what you get is these unbelievably convoluted paper copy reports that are impossible to decifer. This is to the advantage of many insiders. What's worse is that the reports are so far past the point in time that you can actually DO anything about the expenditure or potential expenditure that it takes YEARS to dig through the mess, making it extremely easy for sneaky people to put one past the public. I have a LOT of experience digging through this type of mess, with huge successes uncovering nonsense that the public was outraged about. So yes, full cost accounting, but in a way that allows the public to be able to monitor on a real time basis what the heck is going on. I don't mean real time, like every second. But yes, when a check is cashed, that should show up on an excel sheet somewhere, where we can analyze. Ideally, and someday, I'd like actual "dashboards", which are super easy to create and modify, to allow online/real analysis by "regular people". Right now, I have to download unbelievably stupid messy Excel sheets IF I CAN GET THEM...or hand load paper copy or PDF info into Excel to be able to analyze stuff. This is NOT APPROPRIATE. And there is NO EXCUSE. It's cheaper to do it right. I could go on and on about this. the point is that we need this NOW.