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	<span style="font-size:small">'''Occupy Boston General Assembly - June 19, 2012'''</span>		<span style="font-size:small">'''Occupy Boston General Assembly - June 19, 2012'''</span>

	<span style="font-size:small">Sailors and Soldiers Hill, Boston Common<br/><u>Facilitator</u>: Justin Almeida<br/><u>Notetakers</u>: Noah McKenna, Gregory Murphy, Carolyn Magid. Joe Cu</span>		<span style="font-size:small">Sailors and Soldiers Hill, Boston Common<br/><u>Facilitator</u>: Justin Almeida<br/><u>Notetakers</u>: Noah McKenna, Gregory Murphy, Carolyn Magid.</span><span style="font-size:small">and Joe Cu *</span>

	<span style="font-size:small"><u>Working Group Anouncements</u></span>		<span style="font-size:small"><u>Working Group Anouncements</u></span>

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	<div style="margin-left: 40px">1. Overall we thought it was a good proposal, and supported the basic idea of having a discussion very soon about how OB deals with larger money requests. <br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><span class="il">2</span>.<span style="font-family: monospace"></span>We thought that the issue of whether Angela's proposal applied to the S17 funds was beside the point; we thought the discussion should be about possbile new proceedures for all larger requests.<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px">3.<span style="font-family: monospace"></span>Members strongly  endorsed the idea that making distinctions between the many smaller money requests and the very few really large ones was very proper and legitimate, especially in consideration of the rapidly shrinking OB account.<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px">4. With regard to  specific<span style="font-family: monospace"><span style="font-family: Arial,Verdana,sans-serif"></span></span>questions raised by the S17 proposal as a current case of a very large money request: many group members were concerned that this was a large request for money to be spent outside of Boston; it was also pointed out<span style="font-family: monospace"></span>that very cheap transport to NYC is available, that in general OB has expected members to raise money to cover their own transport costs, and that the money  requested seemed to be well in excess of the amount that would be needed for only basic transit expenses.<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px">5. Members<span style="font-family: monospace"></span>believed that OB should be Boston-focused in its spending; members noted that there are many immediate and longer term needs , including a place for OB meetings after the summer. Members noted that OB will have a<span style="font-family: monospace"></span>birthday of its own to celebrate around the time of OWS, and that most of OB members would be here- and that  planning our own Dewey Squae birthday should have priority.<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px">6. Members hoped that OB would take more initiative in putting together positive, community building projects in the metro area, of the type that will help build our support among the rest of the 99% that are not Occupiers.<span style="font-family: monospace"></span>We would like to find ways for Occupy to play a positive role on issues like housing, education, unemployment, of immediate concern to "plain Bostonians."<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px">7. Looking at the types of requests that ought to have priority, members expressed prefernce for solid, well<span style="font-family: monospace"></span>defined projects with clear and realistic objectives. Members ~~recalledthe~~ limited results of actions like "Shut Down the Corporations Day", which shut no corporations. Again with reference to the S17 proposal, aimed at "Shutting Down Wall St.", it was doubted that this was a realistically achievable objective. Questions were also raised about whether the actual shut-down of Wall ~~St,~~ should it be accomplished, would actually be well received by the 99%-- or whether they would be angered at  actions that might in the short term worsen the state of ouralready troubled economy-- and so, the actions further the distance between Occupy and the 99%.<br/></div>		<div style="margin-left: 40px">1. Overall we thought it was a good proposal, and supported the basic idea of having a discussion very soon about how OB deals with larger money requests. <br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><span class="il">2</span>.<span style="font-family: monospace"></span> We thought that the issue of whether Angela's proposal applied to the S17 funds was beside the point; we thought the discussion should be about possbile new proceedures for all larger requests.<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px">3.<span style="font-family: monospace"></span> Members strongly  endorsed the idea that making distinctions between the many smaller money requests and the very few really large ones was very proper and legitimate, especially in consideration of the rapidly shrinking OB account.<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px">4. With regard to  specific<span style="font-family: monospace"><span style="font-family: Arial,Verdana,sans-serif"></span></span>questions raised by the S17 proposal as a current case of a very large money request: many group members were concerned that this was a large request for money to be spent outside of Boston; it was also pointed out<span style="font-family: monospace"></span>that very cheap transport to NYC is available, that in general OB has expected members to raise money to cover their own transport costs, and that the money  requested seemed to be well in excess of the amount that would be needed for only basic transit expenses.<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px">5. Members<span style="font-family: monospace"></span> believed that OB should be Boston-focused in its spending; members noted that there are many immediate and longer term needs, including a place for OB meetings after the summer. Members noted that OB will have a<span style="font-family: monospace"></span> birthday of its own to celebrate around the time of OWS, and that most of OB members would be here- and that  planning our own Dewey Squae birthday should have priority.<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px">6. Members hoped that OB would take more initiative in putting together positive, community building projects in the metro area, of the type that will help build our support among the rest of the 99% that are not Occupiers. <span style="font-family: monospace"></span>We would like to find ways for Occupy to play a positive role on issues like housing, education, unemployment, of immediate concern to "plain Bostonians."<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px">7. Looking at the types of requests that ought to have priority, members expressed prefernce for solid, well<span style="font-family: monospace"></span> defined projects with clear and realistic objectives. Members recalled the limited results of actions like "Shut Down the Corporations Day", which shut no corporations. Again with reference to the S17 proposal, aimed at "Shutting Down Wall St.", it was doubted that this was a realistically achievable objective. Questions were also raised about whether the actual shut-down of Wall Street should it be accomplished, would actually be well received by the 99% - or whether they would be angered at  actions that might in the short term worsen the state of ouralready troubled economy -- and so, the actions may further the distance between Occupy and the 99%.<br/></div>
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	<span style="font-size:small">'''Occupy Boston General Assembly'''~~<br/>~~</span>		<span style="font-size:small">'''Occupy Boston General Assembly - June 19, 2012'''</span>

	<span style="font-size:small">Sailors and Soldiers Hill, Boston Common<br/></span>		<span style="font-size:small">Sailors and Soldiers Hill, Boston Common<br/><u>Facilitator</u>: Justin Almeida<br/><u>Notetakers</u>: Noah McKenna, Gregory Murphy, Carolyn Magid. Joe Cu</span>

	<span style="font-size:small"><u>~~Facilitator~~</u~~>: Justin Almeida<br/~~></span>		<span style="font-size:small"><u>Working Group Anouncements</u></span>

	<span style="font-size:small"><u>~~Notetakers~~</u>: ~~Noah McKenna~~, ~~Gregory Murphy~~, ~~Carolyn Magid~~<br/></span>		<span style="font-size:small">1) Occupy Monsanto -  60 to 70 people at anti- Bio-tech, anti GMO Rally, on 6/18, including OB, Occupy Monsant (from DC), NOFA, Leah Collective, Ciclovida<br/>2) Facilitation - a Facilitation skill share is on for the July 9 Community Gathering, 6:30 to 10:00<br/>3) S17 - WG formed at Sunday's  (6/17) SAA to develop planning for S17<br/>4) S17 $ - 1st meeting scheduled for July 7, @ 2:00 PM, email Tessa F if you want to join, she will create a mailing list.<br/> </span>

	<span style="font-size:small"><br/></span>		<span style="font-size:small"><u>Individual Announcements</u></span>

	<span style="font-size:small">~~<u>Working Group Anouncements</u>~~<br/></span>		<span style="font-size:small">1) Ellen F. - heading to Montreal, this coming weekend<br/>2) Ariel N. - , NYC judge sentenced her friend Mark, of OWS, to 45 days at Rikers Island for D17 action winter occupation attempt at Trinity Church in NYC. He could have appealed but was facing a one year process (at least) and the possible outcome of jail time.  Discussion ensued: Trinity Curch is the largest landowner in NYC and really exerted pressure for guilty finding.</span>

	<span style="font-size:small">~~1) Occupy Monsanto -  60 to 70 people at anti- Bio-tech, anti GMO Rally, on 6/18, including OB, Occupy Monsant (from DC), NOFA, Leah Collective, Ciclovida~~<br/></span>		<span style="font-size:small"><u>Proposals</u></span>

	<span style="font-size:small">2) ~~Facilitation~~ - ~~a Facilitation skill share is on~~ for ~~the July 9 Community Gathering, 6:30~~ to ~~10:00~~<br/></span>		<span style="font-size:small">1) Joe C. - move all GAs to State House steps<br/>2) Angela G. - add two pre-planning meetings to S17 WG schedule to deal with several issues related to the S17 proposal<br/>3) Terra F. - reconsider S17 funding proposal<br/>4) Kendra M. - asking for $600 to $800 for Bastille Day Art Festival funding<br/>5) Jen M. - proposes S17 matching grants totaling $7000 to be given to local community organizations<br/>6) John M. - asks for $60 week for OB day camp</span>

	<span style="font-size:small">~~3) S17 - 1st meeting scheduled for July 7~~, ~~@ 2:00 PM, email Tessa F if you want to join, she will create a mailing list.<br/>~~</span>		<span style="font-size:small">• #4 & #6 remain in Proposal Bucket, thereby passed and accepted by General Assembly</span>

	<span style="font-size:small">~~<br~~/></span>		<span style="font-size:small">• #3 pulled for Saturday, 6/23 consideration</span>

	<span style="font-size:small">~~<u>Individual Announcements</u><br/>~~</span>		<span style="font-size:small">• #5 pulled  (GM thinks)</span>

	<span style="font-size:small">~~1) Ellen F. - heading~~ to ~~Montreal~~, ~~this coming weekend<br/>~~</span>		<span style="font-size:small">GA decides to process #2, before #1</span>

	<span style="font-size:small">2~~) Ariel N. - , NYC judge sentenced her friend Mark, of OWS~~</~~span~~>~~<span style="font-size~~:small">, to 45 days at Rikers Island for D17 action winter occupation attempt at Trinity Church in NYC. He could have appealed but was facing a one year process (at least) and the possible outcome of jail time.  ~~Discussion ensued: Trinity Curch is the largest landowner in NYC and really exerted pressure for guilty finding.<br/>~~</span>		<span style="font-size:small"><u>GA Proposal Process for #2</u>:  </span>

			<span style="font-size:small">Angela G. - proposes to add two pre-planning meetings to S17 WG schedule to deal with issues of accountability, transparency, POC inclusion and political analysis. She "does not like how the proposal went down," and urges the community to accept these two meetings to do more comprehensive planning than we usually do, and to get the greater OB community "buy-in."  Her proposal is not about the $ aspect.</span>

			<span style="font-size:small">Noah - seems that the already scheduled S17 $ WG meetings would be a reat place to have open dialogue about intentionality. The S17 affinity group outreach was above and beyond usual proposal process including community forum and other listemails, and FaceBook posting. The $7K can be spent in a # of ways and the intention is to bring in other activist communities, beyond OB. It's important to make sure this event (S17 and planning) is accessible to a wider variety of populations.</span>

	~~<u>Proposals</u>~~		Angela - to Noah, your response to me reflects that you did not hear me. I like your thoughts, but one of my points is about establishing criteria and mechanisms of accountability, in regards to the $. Could this happen at the S17 $ WG meetings? She understands that the working group grew out of an affinity group.

	~~1) Joe C~~. ~~- move all GAs to State House steps~~		Carolyn - at the SAA, the night ater the S17 proposal passed, people formed an S17 WG. I am hoping both S17 WGs can create a common agenda.

	2) Angela G. - ~~add two~~ pre-planning meetings ~~to S17~~ WG ~~schedule~~ to ~~deal with issues of accountability, transparency, POC inclusion~~ and political analysis		Angela - asks for 2 pre-planning meetings before any WG or AG starts planning the action or how to spend the $. Let's really practice horizontal democracy and let's be accountable and fully transparent and include a deep political analysis. Such a mixture has been missing from much of what OB has done and how OB has approached actions, in the past.

	~~3) Terra F~~. ~~- reconsider S17 funding proposal~~		Jen - wants to see the $ spent in Boston, not on travel to NYC.

	~~4) Kendra M.~~ - ~~asking~~ for ~~$600~~ to ~~$800~~ for ~~Bastille Day Art Festival funding~~		Ellen - seems like pre planning meetings is natural for GA to do before it goes to working group for planning

	~~5) Jen M.~~ - ~~proposes S17 matching grants totaling $7000~~ to ~~be given to local community organizations~~		Greg - reminds Angela that she initially also mentioned the importance of reching out to other communities, especially people of colorout

	6) ~~John M. - asks for~~ $~~60 week for OB day camp~~		Noah - is this (A's proposal) about planning or about the $?

			Angela - her proposal is about creating a step in maturity, about creating values

			Ariel - help me understand. Is your intention to take a step back and have this criteria be applied to all proposals, retroactively?

	~~#4 & #6 remain in Proposal Bucket, thereby passed and accepted by General Assembly~~		Angela - (notetaker is unsure of her reply)

			Ariel - there are less people here, tonight, than there were Saturday (when S17 proposal passed). Do you think that we can (incomplete notes)?

			Angela - again, it's about transparency and accountability, the $ is secondary, a political framework is the priority

	~~Proposal #~~2 is ~~voted~~ to be ~~first~~ on ~~stack~~		Randy - asked Angela for an example of a proposal when we (OB) did not think this stuff through, as Angela is asking for, and there was a consequence.

			Angela - (notetaker did not write her answer down and forgets what how A replied to R's question.



			At this point, Facilitator  asks small groups to form, followed by

			<u>Group report back</u>

			Group 1 -
			<div style="margin-left: 40px">1. Overall we thought it was a good proposal, and supported the basic idea of having a discussion very soon about how OB deals with larger money requests. <br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><span class="il">2</span>.<span style="font-family: monospace"></span>We thought that the issue of whether Angela's proposal applied to the S17 funds was beside the point; we thought the discussion should be about possbile new proceedures for all larger requests.<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px">3.<span style="font-family: monospace"></span>Members strongly  endorsed the idea that making distinctions between the many smaller money requests and the very few really large ones was very proper and legitimate, especially in consideration of the rapidly shrinking OB account.<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px">4. With regard to  specific<span style="font-family: monospace"><span style="font-family: Arial,Verdana,sans-serif"></span></span>questions raised by the S17 proposal as a current case of a very large money request: many group members were concerned that this was a large request for money to be spent outside of Boston; it was also pointed out<span style="font-family: monospace"></span>that very cheap transport to NYC is available, that in general OB has expected members to raise money to cover their own transport costs, and that the money  requested seemed to be well in excess of the amount that would be needed for only basic transit expenses.<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px">5. Members<span style="font-family: monospace"></span>believed that OB should be Boston-focused in its spending; members noted that there are many immediate and longer term needs , including a place for OB meetings after the summer. Members noted that OB will have a<span style="font-family: monospace"></span>birthday of its own to celebrate around the time of OWS, and that most of OB members would be here- and that  planning our own Dewey Squae birthday should have priority.<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px">6. Members hoped that OB would take more initiative in putting together positive, community building projects in the metro area, of the type that will help build our support among the rest of the 99% that are not Occupiers.<span style="font-family: monospace"></span>We would like to find ways for Occupy to play a positive role on issues like housing, education, unemployment, of immediate concern to "plain Bostonians."<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px">7. Looking at the types of requests that ought to have priority, members expressed prefernce for solid, well<span style="font-family: monospace"></span>defined projects with clear and realistic objectives. Members recalledthe limited results of actions like "Shut Down the Corporations Day", which shut no corporations. Again with reference to the S17 proposal, aimed at "Shutting Down Wall St.", it was doubted that this was a realistically achievable objective. Questions were also raised about whether the actual shut-down of Wall St, should it be accomplished, would actually be well received by the 99%-- or whether they would be angered at  actions that might in the short term worsen the state of ouralready troubled economy-- and so, the actions further the distance between Occupy and the 99%.<br/></div>
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Gsmurphy: Created page with "'''Occupy Boston General Assembly'''
Sailors and Soldiers Hill, Boston Common

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Created page with "'''Occupy Boston General Assembly''' Sailors and Soldiers Hill, Boston Common '''Occupy Boston General Assembly''' 

Sailors and Soldiers Hill, Boston Common 

Facilitator: Justin Almeida 

Notetakers: Noah McKenna, Gregory Murphy, Carolyn Magid 

 

Working Group Anouncements 

1) Occupy Monsanto -  60 to 70 people at anti- Bio-tech, anti GMO Rally, on 6/18, including OB, Occupy Monsant (from DC), NOFA, Leah Collective, Ciclovida 

2) Facilitation - a Facilitation skill share is on for the July 9 Community Gathering, 6:30 to 10:00 

3) S17 - 1st meeting scheduled for July 7, @ 2:00 PM, email Tessa F if you want to join, she will create a mailing list. 

 

Individual Announcements 

1) Ellen F. - heading to Montreal, this coming weekend 

2) Ariel N. - , NYC judge sentenced her friend Mark, of OWS, to 45 days at Rikers Island for D17 action winter occupation attempt at Trinity Church in NYC. He could have appealed but was facing a one year process (at least) and the possible outcome of jail time.  Discussion ensued: Trinity Curch is the largest landowner in NYC and really exerted pressure for guilty finding. 

Proposals

1) Joe C. - move all GAs to State House steps

2) Angela G. - add two pre-planning meetings to S17 WG schedule to deal with issues of accountability, transparency, POC inclusion and political analysis

3) Terra F. - reconsider S17 funding proposal

4) Kendra M. - asking for $600 to $800 for Bastille Day Art Festival funding

5) Jen M. - proposes S17 matching grants totaling $7000 to be given to local community organizations

6) John M. - asks for $60 week for OB day camp

#4 & #6 remain in Proposal Bucket, thereby passed and accepted by General Assembly

Proposal #2 is voted to be first on stack

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	~~<span style="font-size:small">~~'''Occupy Boston General Assembly - June 19, 2012'''~~</span>~~		'''Occupy Boston General Assembly - June 19, 2012'''

	~~<span style="font-size:small">~~Sailors and Soldiers Hill, Boston Common<br/><u>Facilitator</u>: Justin Almeida<br/><u>Notetakers</u>: Noah McKenna, Gregory Murphy, Carolyn Magid~~.</span><span style="font-size:small">~~and Joe ~~Cu *</span>~~		Sailors and Soldiers Hill, Boston Common<br/><u>Facilitator</u>: Justin Almeida<br/><u>Notetakers</u>: Noah McKenna, Gregory Murphy, Carolyn Magid and Joe Cuigini

	~~<span style="font-size:small">~~<u>Working Group Anouncements</u~~></span~~>		<u>Working Group Anouncements</u>

	~~<span style="font-size:small">~~1) Occupy Monsanto -  60 to 70 people at anti- Bio-tech, anti GMO Rally, on 6/18, including OB, Occupy Monsant (from DC), NOFA, Leah Collective, Ciclovida<br/>2) Facilitation - a Facilitation skill share is on for the July 9 Community Gathering, 6:30 to 10:00<br/>3) S17 - WG formed at Sunday's  (6/17) SAA to develop planning for S17<br/>4) S17 $ - 1st meeting scheduled for July 7, @ 2:00 PM, email Tessa F if you want to join, she will create a mailing list.<br/> ~~</span>~~		1) Occupy Monsanto -  60 to 70 people at anti- Bio-tech, anti GMO Rally, on 6/18, including OB, Occupy Monsant (from DC), NOFA, Leah Collective, Ciclovida<br/>2) Facilitation - a Facilitation skill share is on for the July 9 Community Gathering, 6:30 to 10:00<br/>3) S17 - WG formed at Sunday's  (6/17) SAA to develop planning for S17<br/>4) S17 $ - 1st meeting scheduled for July 7, @ 2:00 PM, email Tessa F if you want to join, she will create a mailing list.<br/>

	~~<span style="font-size:small">~~<u>Individual Announcements</u~~></span~~>		<u>Individual Announcements</u>

	~~<span style="font-size:small">~~1) Ellen F. - heading to Montreal, this coming weekend<br/>2) Ariel N. - , NYC judge sentenced her friend Mark, of OWS, to 45 days at Rikers Island for D17 action winter occupation attempt at Trinity Church in NYC. He could have appealed but was facing a one year process (at least) and the possible outcome of jail time.  Discussion ensued: Trinity Curch is the largest landowner in NYC and really exerted pressure for guilty finding.~~</span>~~		1) Ellen F. - heading to Montreal, this coming weekend<br/>2) Ariel N. - , NYC judge sentenced her friend Mark, of OWS, to 45 days at Rikers Island for D17 action winter occupation attempt at Trinity Church in NYC. He could have appealed but was facing a one year process (at least) and the possible outcome of jail time.  Discussion ensued: Trinity Curch is the largest landowner in NYC and really exerted pressure for guilty finding.

	~~<span style="font-size:small">~~<u>Proposals</u~~></span~~>		<u>Proposals</u>

	~~<span style="font-size:small">~~1) Joe C. - move all GAs to State House steps<br/>2) Angela G. - add two pre-planning meetings to S17 WG schedule to deal with several issues related to the S17 proposal<br/>3) Terra F. - reconsider S17 funding proposal<br/>4) Kendra M. - asking for $600 to $800 for Bastille Day Art Festival funding<br/>5) Jen M. - proposes S17 matching grants totaling $7000 to be given to local community organizations<br/>6) John M. - asks for $60 week for OB day camp~~</span>~~		1) Joe C. - move all GAs to State House steps<br/>2) Angela G. - add two pre-planning meetings to S17 WG schedule to deal with several issues related to the S17 proposal<br/>3) Terra F. - reconsider S17 funding proposal<br/>4) Kendra M. - asking for $600 to $800 for Bastille Day Art Festival funding<br/>5) Jen M. - proposes S17 matching grants totaling $7000 to be given to local community organizations<br/>6) John M. - asks for $60 week for OB day camp

	~~<span style="font-size:small">~~• #4 & #6 remain in Proposal Bucket, thereby passed and accepted by General Assembly~~</span>~~		• #4 & #6 remain in Proposal Bucket, thereby passed and accepted by General Assembly

	~~<span style="font-size:small">~~• #3 pulled for Saturday, 6/23 consideration~~</span>~~		• #3 pulled for Saturday, 6/23 consideration

	~~<span style="font-size:small">~~• #5 pulled  (GM thinks)~~</span>~~		• #5 pulled  (GM thinks)

	~~<span style="font-size:small">~~GA decides to process #2, before #1~~</span>~~		GA decides to process #2, before #1

	~~<span style="font-size:small">~~<u>GA Proposal Process for #2</u>:  ~~</span>~~		<u>GA Proposal Process for #2</u>:

	~~<span style="font-size:small">~~Angela G. - proposes to add two pre-planning meetings to S17 WG schedule to deal with issues of accountability, transparency, POC inclusion and political analysis. She "does not like how the proposal went down," and urges the community to accept these two meetings to do more comprehensive planning than we usually do, and to get the greater OB community "buy-in."  Her proposal is not about the $ aspect.~~</span>~~		Angela G. - proposes to add two pre-planning meetings to S17 WG schedule to deal with issues of accountability, transparency, POC inclusion and political analysis. She "does not like how the proposal went down," and urges the community to accept these two meetings to do more comprehensive planning than we usually do, and to get the greater OB community "buy-in."  Her proposal is not about the $ aspect.

	~~<span style="font-size:small">~~Noah - seems that the already scheduled S17 $ WG meetings would be a reat place to have open dialogue about intentionality. The S17 affinity group outreach was above and beyond usual proposal process including community forum and other listemails, and FaceBook posting. The $7K can be spent in a # of ways and the intention is to bring in other activist communities, beyond OB. It's important to make sure this event (S17 and planning) is accessible to a wider variety of populations.~~</span>~~		Noah - seems that the already scheduled S17 $ WG meetings would be a reat place to have open dialogue about intentionality. The S17 affinity group outreach was above and beyond usual proposal process including community forum and other listemails, and FaceBook posting. The $7K can be spent in a # of ways and the intention is to bring in other activist communities, beyond OB. It's important to make sure this event (S17 and planning) is accessible to a wider variety of populations.

	Angela - to Noah, your response to me reflects that you did not hear me. I like your thoughts, but one of my points is about establishing criteria and mechanisms of accountability, in regards to the $. Could this happen at the S17 $ WG meetings? She understands that the working group grew out of an affinity group.		Angela - to Noah, your response to me reflects that you did not hear me. I like your thoughts, but one of my points is about establishing criteria and mechanisms of accountability, in regards to the $. Could this happen at the S17 $ WG meetings? She understands that the working group grew out of an affinity group.
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	<div style="margin-left: 40px">1. Overall we thought it was a good proposal, and supported the basic idea of having a discussion very soon about how OB deals with larger money requests. <br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><span class="il">2</span>.<span style="font-family: monospace"></span> We thought that the issue of whether Angela's proposal applied to the S17 funds was beside the point; we thought the discussion should be about possbile new proceedures for all larger requests.<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px">3.<span style="font-family: monospace"></span> Members strongly  endorsed the idea that making distinctions between the many smaller money requests and the very few really large ones was very proper and legitimate, especially in consideration of the rapidly shrinking OB account.<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px">4. With regard to  specific<span style="font-family: monospace"><span style="font-family: Arial,Verdana,sans-serif"></span></span>questions raised by the S17 proposal as a current case of a very large money request: many group members were concerned that this was a large request for money to be spent outside of Boston; it was also pointed out<span style="font-family: monospace"></span>that very cheap transport to NYC is available, that in general OB has expected members to raise money to cover their own transport costs, and that the money  requested seemed to be well in excess of the amount that would be needed for only basic transit expenses.<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px">5. Members<span style="font-family: monospace"></span> believed that OB should be Boston-focused in its spending; members noted that there are many immediate and longer term needs, including a place for OB meetings after the summer. Members noted that OB will have a<span style="font-family: monospace"></span> birthday of its own to celebrate around the time of OWS, and that most of OB members would be here- and that  planning our own Dewey Squae birthday should have priority.<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px">6. Members hoped that OB would take more initiative in putting together positive, community building projects in the metro area, of the type that will help build our support among the rest of the 99% that are not Occupiers. <span style="font-family: monospace"></span>We would like to find ways for Occupy to play a positive role on issues like housing, education, unemployment, of immediate concern to "plain Bostonians."<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px">7. Looking at the types of requests that ought to have priority, members expressed prefernce for solid, well<span style="font-family: monospace"></span> defined projects with clear and realistic objectives. Members recalled the limited results of actions like "Shut Down the Corporations Day", which shut no corporations. Again with reference to the S17 proposal, aimed at "Shutting Down Wall St.", it was doubted that this was a realistically achievable objective. Questions were also raised about whether the actual shut-down of Wall Street should it be accomplished, would actually be well received by the 99% - or whether they would be angered at  actions that might in the short term worsen the state of ouralready troubled economy -- and so, the actions may further the distance between Occupy and the 99%.<br/></div>		<div style="margin-left: 40px">1. Overall we thought it was a good proposal, and supported the basic idea of having a discussion very soon about how OB deals with larger money requests. <br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><span class="il">2</span>.<span style="font-family: monospace"></span> We thought that the issue of whether Angela's proposal applied to the S17 funds was beside the point; we thought the discussion should be about possbile new proceedures for all larger requests.<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px">3.<span style="font-family: monospace"></span> Members strongly  endorsed the idea that making distinctions between the many smaller money requests and the very few really large ones was very proper and legitimate, especially in consideration of the rapidly shrinking OB account.<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px">4. With regard to  specific<span style="font-family: monospace"><span style="font-family: Arial,Verdana,sans-serif"></span></span>questions raised by the S17 proposal as a current case of a very large money request: many group members were concerned that this was a large request for money to be spent outside of Boston; it was also pointed out<span style="font-family: monospace"></span>that very cheap transport to NYC is available, that in general OB has expected members to raise money to cover their own transport costs, and that the money  requested seemed to be well in excess of the amount that would be needed for only basic transit expenses.<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px">5. Members<span style="font-family: monospace"></span> believed that OB should be Boston-focused in its spending; members noted that there are many immediate and longer term needs, including a place for OB meetings after the summer. Members noted that OB will have a<span style="font-family: monospace"></span> birthday of its own to celebrate around the time of OWS, and that most of OB members would be here- and that  planning our own Dewey Squae birthday should have priority.<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px">6. Members hoped that OB would take more initiative in putting together positive, community building projects in the metro area, of the type that will help build our support among the rest of the 99% that are not Occupiers. <span style="font-family: monospace"></span>We would like to find ways for Occupy to play a positive role on issues like housing, education, unemployment, of immediate concern to "plain Bostonians."<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"> </div><div style="margin-left: 40px">7. Looking at the types of requests that ought to have priority, members expressed prefernce for solid, well<span style="font-family: monospace"></span> defined projects with clear and realistic objectives. Members recalled the limited results of actions like "Shut Down the Corporations Day", which shut no corporations. Again with reference to the S17 proposal, aimed at "Shutting Down Wall St.", it was doubted that this was a realistically achievable objective. Questions were also raised about whether the actual shut-down of Wall Street should it be accomplished, would actually be well received by the 99% - or whether they would be angered at  actions that might in the short term worsen the state of ouralready troubled economy -- and so, the actions may further the distance between Occupy and the 99%.<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><br/></div><div>Group 2 -<br/></div><div><br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px">1. Values are important and should be discussed.<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px">2.  Set aside 2 GAs for these conversations<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px">3. Each person from OB who wants to go to S17 needs to earn $30 to pay for the trip.<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><br/></div><div>Group 3 -<br/></div><div><br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px">1) it's important to establish criteria, we have horizontal democracy but it is hard to do.<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px">2) OB has done limited values work, before, reference statement of Purpose, Nonviolence, etc. <br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px">3) Values is a difficult topic, but if the community took the time to go through a process it would help us become a tighter community and would guide our decisions and actions. In tight anarchist grous who have done values work and have agreed upon guiding principles, when someone acts autonomously, there is no concern, for all members of the group trust each other to act in accordance of those values and principles. <br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px">4) concerns raised that we can agree on tactics, but not on actions<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px">5) $ and values are two separate topics and too big for one discussion<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px">6) the proposal is about discussing politica framing for organizing, though there is no certainty that we will agree, yet this also establishes values forspending and promtes accountability<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px">7) let's create an anonymous survey on OB's politics to get a sense of the range of opinions and ideologies<br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><br/></div><div style="margin-left: 40px">8. OB has been active, and coherence is important. planning for S17 can help with that, analysis can happen, but (at times) our discussions are adversarial. we need to plan to keep people coming and looking forward to it. Weare dead if we can't keep dispersing $ and palnning, if we slow down we may die. Let's find a pace we can all work with.<br/></div>
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