Talk:Green Rainbow Party Platform Working Group - Revision history

Joanna herlihy at 16:28, 18 September 2012

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	He shows how the first is plundered and the last, inflated beyond any ability to repay, and how just measuring overall wealth obscures flows between these three forms of capital.		He shows how the first is plundered and the last, inflated beyond any ability to repay, and how just measuring overall wealth obscures flows between these three forms of capital.
	Is this anything we want to address?		Is this anything we want to address?

	~~+ Symbols to use in discussion?~~
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	~~signing [[User:Joanna herlihy\|Joanna herlihy]] ([[User talk:Joanna herlihy\|talk]]) 12:23, 18 September 2012 (EDT)~~

Joanna herlihy at 16:23, 18 September 2012

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	He shows how the first is plundered and the last, inflated beyond any ability to repay, and how just measuring overall wealth obscures flows between these three forms of capital.		He shows how the first is plundered and the last, inflated beyond any ability to repay, and how just measuring overall wealth obscures flows between these three forms of capital.
	Is this anything we want to address?		Is this anything we want to address?

			+ Symbols to use in discussion?
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			signing [[User:Joanna herlihy\|Joanna herlihy]] ([[User talk:Joanna herlihy\|talk]]) 12:23, 18 September 2012 (EDT)

Joanna herlihy: /* Preamble, Peace */

2012-09-14T22:24:26Z

Preamble, Peace

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	== Preamble, Peace ==		== Preamble, Peace ==

	[Joanna: Who added 'together in peace'? That carries the idea away from what government can do to help all to thrive, aside from reforming law enforcement, maybe. The intro can't have many specifics or it loses its pace.] [BrianC: following phrase doesn't connect with preceding phrase][Danny: I didn't add it but I think placing of 'peace' is appropriate; it relates to mention of 'violence' 8 words earlier.],		[Joanna: Who added 'together in peace'? That carries the idea away from what government can do to help all to thrive, aside from reforming law enforcement, maybe. The intro can't have many specifics or it loses its pace.] [BrianC: following phrase doesn't connect with preceding phrase][Danny: I didn't add it but I think placing of 'peace' is appropriate; it relates to mention of 'violence' 8 words earlier.] [Joanna: I added "violence" in place of "unfairness", which Terra questioned. I withdraw aeverything.]

	== Preamble, Taxation, Accumulated Wealth ==		== Preamble, Taxation, Accumulated Wealth ==

Joanna herlihy: /* Preamble, Taxation, Accumulated Wealth */

2012-09-14T22:21:50Z

Preamble, Taxation, Accumulated Wealth

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	== Preamble, Taxation, Accumulated Wealth ==		== Preamble, Taxation, Accumulated Wealth ==

	[Joanna: If we think gov't has role in equalizing income and enriching opportunity, there is need for revenues to do it with, but maybe we can leave that unsaid. ~~Alternative sentence: "WHERE SOCIAL RELATIONS ARE BLIGHTED BY INEQUALITY, ALIENATION, AND VIOLENCE [changed back to unfairness?], WE SEEK TO BUILD HEALTHY COMMUNITIES WHERE ALL MAY THRIVE."]~~		[Joanna: If we think gov't has role in equalizing income and enriching opportunity, there is need for revenues to do it with, but maybe we can leave that unsaid.

	[BrianC: the phrase 'taxing accumulated wealth' isn't specific enough, as I see it. We should shift taxes from wages and sales to polluting resource use, specifically. [Joanna: Specific types of taxation should go in body of text under 'rational taxation'.] [Brian: Let's leave taxation out of this paragraph on peace and equality]. [Joanna: This paragraph was not intended to be about peace and equality, but about what government can do for society to which it answers.] [Danny: I think that 'peace' and taking care of the vulnerable need to be a part of the preamble. 'A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.' The concept of 'self reliance' does not make sense to the most vulnerable: prisoners, many hospital patients, etc.]		[BrianC: the phrase 'taxing accumulated wealth' isn't specific enough, as I see it. We should shift taxes from wages and sales to polluting resource use, specifically. [Joanna: Specific types of taxation should go in body of text under 'rational taxation'.] [Brian: Let's leave taxation out of this paragraph on peace and equality]. [Joanna: This paragraph was not intended to be about peace and equality, but about what government can do for society to which it answers.] [Danny: I think that 'peace' and taking care of the vulnerable need to be a part of the preamble. 'A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.' The concept of 'self reliance' does not make sense to the most vulnerable: prisoners, many hospital patients, etc.]

Joanna herlihy: /* Preamble, Mentioning Commons in Preamble */

2012-09-14T22:19:43Z

Preamble, Mentioning Commons in Preamble

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	== Preamble, Mentioning Commons in Preamble ==		== Preamble, Mentioning Commons in Preamble ==

	[Terra: do we want to say something about wanting a "strong [[http://wiki.occupyboston.org/wiki/Commons commons]]"?] [Joanna: Why here?] [T: It's core to the root of what I think David's point is...the illegal government subjugating the rights of humans and eco-systems to profit]		[Terra: do we want to say something about wanting a "strong [[http://wiki.occupyboston.org/wiki/Commons commons]]"?] [Joanna: Why here?] [T: It's core to the root of what I think David's point is...the illegal government subjugating the rights of humans and eco-systems to profit][Joanna: commons is a set of things, however you define it--but what does "strong" imply?]

	== Preamble, Encouraging local economies ==		== Preamble, Encouraging local economies ==

Briancady413: added note

2012-09-08T17:59:02Z

added note

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			BrianC:
			Wikipedia worked when the people who made the changes weren't trained or oriented ahead of time, nor did they have to agree together on what should be said before editing, so we really don't need to, and shouldn't say:

			:Before participating in the edit, please contact volunteer @ occupyboston.org. It's important for the editing group to have read through the background info and be up to speed on what the group is going. ...
			[[User:Briancady413\|Briancady413]] ([[User talk:Briancady413\|talk]]) 13:59, 8 September 2012 (EDT)


	Thanks for setting up discussion page, Brian.		Thanks for setting up discussion page, Brian.

Joanna herlihy at 15:04, 29 August 2012

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 Thanks for setting up discussion page, Brian.
-Joanna: I hope that the thrust of the preamble will be argument that GRP approach works better than status quo, assuming that readers already want a just society and sustainable economy. Arguments I hoped would be imbedded in preamble are (crudely):
+Joanna: I hope that the thrust of the preamble will be argument that GRP approach works better than status quo, assuming that readers already want a just society and sustainable economy. Platform did agree that we want the platform to be concise, readable, interesting, understandable, and attractive to potential members, voters and candidates, and provide elucidation of rationale for a Green-Rainbow program… So how can we say how GRP would work?
-REALM                     THEY                        GRP
+I'm still attached to a simpler preamble format which we could polish, in case we want that:
 "Green-Rainbow values rest on understanding the interconnectedness of everything on Earth, respect for life, its creativity, and the capacities of human beings. Our Ten Key Values (link) imply a vision of the common good and offer guidance for the pathway.

Joanna herlihy at 14:56, 29 August 2012

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	Thanks for setting up discussion page, Brian.		Thanks for setting up discussion page, Brian.

			Joanna: I hope that the thrust of the preamble will be argument that GRP approach works better than status quo, assuming that readers already want a just society and sustainable economy. Arguments I hoped would be imbedded in preamble are (crudely):

			REALM THEY GRP

			Gov't functioning use same old ways wants people's participation,
			altho new conditions & more review, and adjustment
			responsibilities arise

			Economy accept & work within thinks globally, acts locally
			corporate oligarchy, gov't should guard commons
			current world order

			Society to counter effects of sees healthy communities as
			above policies and other base -- gov't must equalize
			changing conditions rights & opportunities of all
			use limiting measures,
			e.g. welfare & policing


			Platform consensus in spring, 2012:

			We said that we want the platform to be concise, readable, interesting, understandable, and attractive to potential members, voters and candidates, and provide elucidation of rationale for a Green-Rainbow program…

			Simpler preamble format we could polish, in case we want that:

			"Green-Rainbow values rest on understanding the interconnectedness of everything on Earth, respect for life, its creativity, and the capacities of human beings. Our Ten Key Values (link) imply a vision of the common good and offer guidance for the pathway.

			"Formed in 2002 by the merger of Massachusetts Green Party and the Rainbow Coalition on the basis of their shared values and aspirations, (footnote/link to merger statement of 2002), the Green-Rainbow Party of Massachusetts supports the values espoused by the Green Party of the United States and Green parties worldwide.

			"While governments are strangled by special interests, we seek ways for all residents of the Commonwealth to bring their reason, wisdom and energy to work towards a sustainable future.

			"When economies are staggering from speculation in a worldwide financial system controlled by a powerful few, we recognize the interdependence of all on Earth and the role of local and international cooperation in safeguarding the ecosystems on which life depends.

			Where social relations are blighted by inequality, discouragement, and violence, we seeks mean to enable all to thrive by providing for basic needs and nurturing healthy communities."


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Joanna herlihy at 03:41, 29 August 2012

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	Thanks for setting up discussion page, Brian~~. I'm kind of confused. Most of the discussions are empty. I respond here about more than preface, because I see no entries on what is noted as {edit} by main text~~.		Thanks for setting up discussion page, Brian.

	~~It takes a lot of steps to do this, but seems better than obscuring flow of text by entering comments on text in [].~~		Notes moved from end of text:

	Regarding the preamble, my intent was that it carry the idea of three realms of human endeavor and measures relevant to a political party in those realms. Following, I post original paragraph from preface and comments:


	Where social relations are blighted by inequality, lack of opportunity and violence, we seek means to enable all to thrive together in peace [Joanna: Who added 'together in peace'? That carries the idea away from what government can do to help all to thrive, aside from reforming law enforcement, maybe. The intro can't have many specifics or it loses its pace.] [BrianC: following phrase doesn't connect with preceding phrase], shifting to revenues from taxing resource use and accumulated wealth. [[Taxation Based on Accumulated Wealth\|taxing accumulated wealth]]. [Joanna: If we think gov't has role in equalizing income and enriching opportunity, there is need for revenues to do it with, but maybe we can leave that unsaid. Alternative sentence: "WHERE SOCIAL RELATIONS ARE BLIGHTED BY INEQUALITY, ALIENATION, AND VIOLENCE, WE SEEK MEANS TO ENABLE ALL TO THRIVE."]
	[BrianC: the phrase 'taxing accumulated wealth' isn't specific enough, as I see it. We should shift taxes from wages and sales to polluting resource use, specifically. [Joanna: Specific types of taxation should go in body of text under 'rational taxation'.] [Brian: Let's leave taxation out of this paragraph on peace and equality]. [Joanna: This paragraph was not intended to be about peace and equality, but about what government can do for the society to which it answers.]


	~~See my note at~~ end of ~~current~~ text ~~+ Brian's note, looking for 3 way division~~:
	"[Joanna note: I withdraw the alternative organization I had suggested, hoping that preface can carry the ideas of ecological wisdom, respect for diversity, etc. being relevant to everything, with special attention to government, economy, and society. I tried to streamline preface. Right now, links and comments need to be digested to enable flow.] [BrianC: One of the decisions we did come to was to use the three-part division of the platform when writing. I realize, with curiousity, that we're neglecting that decision.]"		"[Joanna note: I withdraw the alternative organization I had suggested, hoping that preface can carry the ideas of ecological wisdom, respect for diversity, etc. being relevant to everything, with special attention to government, economy, and society. I tried to streamline preface. Right now, links and comments need to be digested to enable flow.] [BrianC: One of the decisions we did come to was to use the three-part division of the platform when writing. I realize, with curiousity, that we're neglecting that decision.]"

Briancady413: /* Preamble, Taxation, Accumlated Wealth */

2012-08-28T13:51:51Z

Preamble, Taxation, Accumlated Wealth

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	[Joanna: Who added 'together in peace'? That carries the idea away from what government can do to help all to thrive, aside from reforming law enforcement, maybe. The intro can't have many specifics or it loses its pace.] [BrianC: following phrase doesn't connect with preceding phrase][Danny: I didn't add it but I think placing of 'peace' is appropriate; it relates to mention of 'violence' 8 words earlier.],		[Joanna: Who added 'together in peace'? That carries the idea away from what government can do to help all to thrive, aside from reforming law enforcement, maybe. The intro can't have many specifics or it loses its pace.] [BrianC: following phrase doesn't connect with preceding phrase][Danny: I didn't add it but I think placing of 'peace' is appropriate; it relates to mention of 'violence' 8 words earlier.],

	== Preamble, Taxation, ~~Accumlated~~ Wealth ==		== Preamble, Taxation, Accumulated Wealth ==

	[Joanna: If we think gov't has role in equalizing income and enriching opportunity, there is need for revenues to do it with, but maybe we can leave that unsaid. Alternative sentence: "WHERE SOCIAL RELATIONS ARE BLIGHTED BY INEQUALITY, ALIENATION, AND VIOLENCE [changed back to unfairness?], WE SEEK TO BUILD HEALTHY COMMUNITIES WHERE ALL MAY THRIVE."]		[Joanna: If we think gov't has role in equalizing income and enriching opportunity, there is need for revenues to do it with, but maybe we can leave that unsaid. Alternative sentence: "WHERE SOCIAL RELATIONS ARE BLIGHTED BY INEQUALITY, ALIENATION, AND VIOLENCE [changed back to unfairness?], WE SEEK TO BUILD HEALTHY COMMUNITIES WHERE ALL MAY THRIVE."]

	[BrianC: the phrase 'taxing accumulated wealth' isn't specific enough, as I see it. We should shift taxes from wages and sales to polluting resource use, specifically. [Joanna: Specific types of taxation should go in body of text under 'rational taxation'.] [Brian: Let's leave taxation out of this paragraph on peace and equality]. [Joanna: This paragraph was not intended to be about peace and equality, but about what government can do for society to which it answers.] [Danny: I think that 'peace' and taking care of the vulnerable need to be a part of the preamble. 'A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.' The concept of 'self reliance' does not make sense to the most vulnerable: prisoners, many hospital patients, etc.]		[BrianC: the phrase 'taxing accumulated wealth' isn't specific enough, as I see it. We should shift taxes from wages and sales to polluting resource use, specifically. [Joanna: Specific types of taxation should go in body of text under 'rational taxation'.] [Brian: Let's leave taxation out of this paragraph on peace and equality]. [Joanna: This paragraph was not intended to be about peace and equality, but about what government can do for society to which it answers.] [Danny: I think that 'peace' and taking care of the vulnerable need to be a part of the preamble. 'A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.' The concept of 'self reliance' does not make sense to the most vulnerable: prisoners, many hospital patients, etc.]
			BrianC: I vote we wait to mention taxation until after the preamble, and so urge us to delete from 'Shift... through the line.

	== Preamble, Fairness ==		== Preamble, Fairness ==