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| Meeting notes for November 13th, 2011: | | == Ideas WG Meeting and Discussion Notes == |
| [[ideas working group notes 11/13]]
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| | * [[Ideas Working Group - OB in 3--6 Months II - 16 May 2012]] |
| | * [[Ideas Working Group - OB in 3--6 Months - 2 May 2012]] |
| | * [[Ideas Working Group - Anti-Oppression, Consensus, Tactical Diversity 18 April 2012]] |
| | * [[Ideas Working Group - Autonomy And Consent 11 April 2012]] |
| | * [[Ideas Working Group - Diversity of Tactics 3/21/2012]] |
| | * [[Ideas Working Group Discussion on Diversity of Tactics 3/7/2012]] |
| | * [[Ideas Working Group Meeting Notes 2/15/2012]] |
| | * [[Ideas Candidate, Elections, and Occupy Discussion 2/8/2012]] |
| | * [[Ideas working group notes 2/1/2012]] |
| | * [[Ideas working group notes 1/18/2012]] |
| | * [[Public Discussion - Friday, 18 November 2011]] |
| | * [[Public Discussion - Wednesday, 16 November 2011]] |
| | * [[Ideas working group notes 11/13/2011]] |
| | * [[Public Discussion - Friday, 11 November 2011]] |
| | * [[Ideas working group notes 11/9/2011]] |
| | * [[Public Discussion - Friday, November 4 2011]] |
| | * [[Upcoming Public Discussions]] (needs updating) |
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| Meeting notes for November 9th, 2011
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| -there was a particularly important facilitation meeting that went on for a few hours, so it ate up the ideas meeting (I was the only one). But I did talk to a gentleman that wanted to give his idea to us. It is a mock letter that he wrote, and he was thinking that a sign or some campaign using the letter might be helpful:
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You will soon be hearing from our lobbyists directing you to sponsor legislation amending the <span class="il" style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">Pledge</span> of <span class="il" style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">Allegiance</span> to the Flag. What the country now needs is a<span class="il" style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">pledge</span> that more accurately reflects the realities of today's America and our control over it. We believe the following revision will accomplish the desired effect:</div><div><br/></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 14px; font-size: 12px;">'''I <span class="il" style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">PLEDGE</span> <span class="il" style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">ALLEGIANCE</span>'''</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 14px; font-size: 12px;">'''TO THE FLAG'''</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 14px; font-size: 12px;">'''OF THE CORPORATE STATE OF AMERICA'''</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 14px; font-size: 12px;">'''AND TO THE PLUTOCRACY'''</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 14px; font-size: 12px;">'''- FOR WHICH IT NOW STANDS -'''</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 14px; font-size: 12px;">'''PILLAGING THE NATION'''</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 14px; font-size: 12px;">'''UNDER MAMMON'''</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 14px; font-size: 12px;">'''FACELESS AND INVISIBLE'''</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 14px; font-size: 12px;">'''WITH LIBERTY FOR THE RICH'''</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 14px; font-size: 12px;">'''AND JUSTICE FOR NONE'''</div></div><div><span style="font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 14px;"></span><br/></div><div><span style="font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 14px; font-size: 12px;">Be sure to include a provision in the bill </span><span style="font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 14px; font-size: 12px;">mandating daily recitation of the revised <span class="il" style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">pledge</span> of<span class="il" style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204);">allegiance</span> in the nation's schools. This will serve to instruct America's youth about the kind of society they will inherit.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 14px; font-size: 12px;"></span><br/></div><div><span style="font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 14px; font-size: 12px;">In Solidarity,</span></div><div><span style="font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 14px; font-size: 12px;"></span><br/></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px;"><font face="Noteworthy">Forbes</font></span></div><div><span style="font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 14px; font-size: 12px;"></span><br/></div><div><span style="font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 14px; font-size: 12px;">Forbes Morgan-Sachs,</span></div><div><span style="font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; line-height: 14px; font-size: 12px;">Chairman and CEO</span></div></div></blockquote><div style="word-wrap: break-word;"><div><span style="font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 14px;">The Bankfein-Bandit Group</span></div><div><br/></div><div><br/></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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| '''Friday, November 4, 7-9 in the GA Area''' Topics:
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| *Overall Strategy
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| *Specific Actions & Tactics (formation of task forces to implement the best ones!)
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| *Addressing the growing divisions and promoting unity within the movement
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| *See Notes from [[11/4 Meeting]]
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| <br/>IDEAS WORKING GROUP PUBLIC DISCUSSION 11/4
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| Forest –overview of what the ideas group is—not decision makers, but aiming to create times and spaces for discussion *Want to create the right structures that would allow people to start initiatives on their own-working groups, task forces. *We don’t talk about ideas, we talk about facilitating discussion. Marty—Tonight’s discussion-- experiment with open space *The premise is that everyone has something to bring to the table--whoever comes, are the right people, whatever happens is the only thing that could have, when it starts is the right time, when its over its over. loosely structure topics, then invite you all to prompt discussion *“Law of two feet” –don’t like the discussion, must use their feet to move to a more productive place. Invite a stack system, Introduce the three points of discussion and then start--this meeting has three themes—overall strategy for occupy boston, specific actions and tactics, addressing the growing divisions in our movement/promoting Unity in our movement. Forest—This is also in regards to online offline, onsite, offsite, seeing and doing divides. Marty—Introduction of marker and paper, idea of stepping into different spots for discussion ((Interruption))—Announcement about stolen green fly and orange footprint of tent, camper traveling from Canada—contact info at Logistics. ((Interruption))—Man talking about Mitt Romney, fall river, paper clips on the poor’s teeth(?) Want to organize a “strike team” about this. Duncan—Want to discuss shift from old paradigm to new paradigm ((distinguished location for small discussion)) Oryan (sp?) – Want to have a discussion on unity – functionally—look at spokes-council model @ occupy wall street—could talk more broadly about this—discussion on functional unity ((distinguished location for small discussion)) Chris – Marching to the school board meeting and protesting the closing of schools –connect with more local issues—especially poor working class and communities of color—local issues action ((distinguished location for small discussion)) Individual –talk about the camp itself to increase communication—to help us all get along a little better—((went to oryans group with functional unity)) Tom – in the labor working group—forming more practical links with labor groups—interested in occupy oakland resolution supporting the occupation of foreclosed properties—may fit in with local issues, fits in with anti-oppression ((opted to join local issue group)) Forest—temp check to see if everyone had a group they wanted to meet with—looked good
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| Individual – has anybody planned for thanksgiving— Marty—Point of information-- we are invited to the American Indian national day of mourning—more info available….Remember the law of two feet – move freely! ((Small group discussions split off )) …. ((Small group discussions report back)) Two Individuals representing Group 3 - local issues Occupy the DOE success in NY—“it was beautiful” Defending foreclosures—we need to organize a working group around this—intent to come to GA on Sunday with a statement and proposal on it ((Point of Information)) – vida urbana Response– meeting with them on Monday--Occupy Oakland passed a res in their GA—we support the occupation of foreclosed properties—“if there are people without homes, there should not be homes without people” POI – there is an existing listserv that sends out announcements – foreclosure defense Monday meetings POI – SF has a service that is basically mass text message – we could use this (RECORDED DIALOGUE TO BE TRANSCRIBED...)
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| **NOTES ON POSTERS**
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| Local Issues & Actions Poster Notes: Educations/Schools Healthcare Foreclosures/Defense Living wages/working conditions MassUniting—Jason Stephany GA Resolution in solidarity w/people facing foreclosure/bank action, encouraging such people to contact #OB-- #OB will join other orgs in mobilizing people to defend others in foreclosed homes Ambassadors/Delegates from #OB to attend community meetings (like school committee meetings) (mobilizations to such meetings, & mic-check to disrupt/make statement, joined by community members?) Occupying public spaces/buildings (like public representatives/politicians offices) & opening them up for GA’s/consensus/true democracy—GA in city hall? Walking picket lines getting involved in local labor issues Occupying empty/foreclosed homes? Phone # for emergency foreclosure assistance Campaign for “vacancy tax” to prevent foreclosed homes from sitting vacant Pressure on sheriff’s departments to keep them from enforcing evictions? Work w/City Life but as broader coalition?
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| <br/>Old paradigm/New Paradigm Poster Notes (written as an idea map): Old paradigm/New Paradigm Working together Emphasize commonality Realization of collective consciousness Unity Everyone has a place Greater awareness of interdependence Cosmological shift Finding a path of love Forging tribes Transformation of species Come from the heart Accelerated change Occupations are manifestation machines Better communication People need to come to terms with change Some people do not understand that humans are not inherently bad Moving past domination Moving towards cooperation Different societies have different tendencies Realizing our commonality We’re all in this together Big shift coming to a head Inreach convincing each other of our common goals Big picture common denominator Human connections Less value on work (“success”)
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| Unity Group Poster Notes: UNITY… Functional groups Campers Passive but concerned—mobilizable Web interactions—wiki, boards Trying to come at key moments Framework Moblize, make decisions Non-hierarchical possible? Passing things in GA—hard, now near impossible Interactions with other occupy groups Fragmentation “off-putting” There is unity….Brendan Spokesperson Perceived as fractioned—come out with mission How could spokes-model aid long-distance participation? Constellation & spokesperson model compatible Frustration with communication/ability to get involved Boycotts effective, Demands→success Google groups Laboratory for democracy Not easy (external communications) → wiki Get mission statement → GA ideas process Give options for how to get involved Demoralized, no solution evident, keeps people away Goal—open the discussion Frag→ stay open & friendly Reps to Philly, july 4, 2012 Not enough doers, no project managers….can’t just say this is broken…not democracy Constellation? Model for social change Consensus/new process is a demand Problems only unify to a point
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