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In attendance: Jay, john m, greg m, tara, Jorge, patti, Patrick, glenn, wildebeest, monica, eric, martin,  
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Liam, Bobbi
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In attendance: Jay, john m, greg m, tara, Jorge, patti, Patrick, glenn, wildebeest, monica, eric, martin, Liam, Bobbi
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Jay - did not get to requirements for use of the space
 
Jay - did not get to requirements for use of the space
 
Wk grp space etc
 
Wk grp space etc
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Recap of properties  looked at: Jorge john and jay
 
Recap of properties  looked at: Jorge john and jay
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Jorge - got an email from somebody at community gathering  about what we would  like to see in an HQ
 
Jorge - got an email from somebody at community gathering  about what we would  like to see in an HQ
 
A number and info of a prop owner, I will forward his info to the grp
 
A number and info of a prop owner, I will forward his info to the grp
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Bobbi - what kind of  
 
Bobbi - what kind of  
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Jorge - warehouses, etc so end: cheap, looking for low-maintenance  tenants
 
Jorge - warehouses, etc so end: cheap, looking for low-maintenance  tenants
 
617 332 1250 isaac beck
 
617 332 1250 isaac beck
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Greg: Jorge, want to call him?
 
Greg: Jorge, want to call him?
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Jorge - yes
 
Jorge - yes
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Greg - we had talked about  hey paul we want to go look at this number
 
Greg - we had talked about  hey paul we want to go look at this number
 
[Paul Johnston] We called already, the brokers will ask the owners if they will consider year leases inst of 3 yr leases
 
[Paul Johnston] We called already, the brokers will ask the owners if they will consider year leases inst of 3 yr leases
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liam - he said it’s useless to  these property-owners till we decide on organizational and payment issues
 
liam - he said it’s useless to  these property-owners till we decide on organizational and payment issues
 
There’s a 501c3 that we need to talk to
 
There’s a 501c3 that we need to talk to
 
[united for a fair economy, brian miller] if we show them that we have the money, they  wd sign a lease?
 
[united for a fair economy, brian miller] if we show them that we have the money, they  wd sign a lease?
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tara:  I’m anti-501c3 for occ bos; we would  become a fundraising org, so we should partner w a 501c3
 
tara:  I’m anti-501c3 for occ bos; we would  become a fundraising org, so we should partner w a 501c3
 
we would have to agree on some liability issues, eg insurance rider
 
we would have to agree on some liability issues, eg insurance rider
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jay -  partnership w a 501c3 would have to be agreed by GA
 
jay -  partnership w a 501c3 would have to be agreed by GA
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patti - if it was united for a fair economy,  
 
patti - if it was united for a fair economy,  
 
they would be responsible, we’d give them the $
 
they would be responsible, we’d give them the $
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greg – I had a half-hour conversation at the media tent
 
greg – I had a half-hour conversation at the media tent
 
would you consider this? And miller said he “could probably sell it to my board”
 
would you consider this? And miller said he “could probably sell it to my board”
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tidewss found might be interested in sponsoring
 
tidewss found might be interested in sponsoring
 
but united for a fair economy is the only one who I’ve asked to sign a lease.
 
but united for a fair economy is the only one who I’ve asked to sign a lease.
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Tara - Language that you use in agreements w larger  501c3s is important under state law
 
Tara - Language that you use in agreements w larger  501c3s is important under state law
 
Loose wording, avoid certain terms
 
Loose wording, avoid certain terms
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Greg - I think the pieces are be a little bit clearer about the uses of the spaces, money
 
Greg - I think the pieces are be a little bit clearer about the uses of the spaces, money
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Wildebeest -  does anybody know what we will get for our money?
 
Wildebeest -  does anybody know what we will get for our money?
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Patti - the office where I work is 5 6 7 8000/mo
 
Patti - the office where I work is 5 6 7 8000/mo
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John m - 25 / sq ft
 
John m - 25 / sq ft
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Rachel - 17 is low and most of those places don’t look like places where you would want to be
 
Rachel - 17 is low and most of those places don’t look like places where you would want to be
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Wildebeest
 
Wildebeest
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Jay recapping last week
 
Jay recapping last week
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Uses: work groups, ga, etc
 
Uses: work groups, ga, etc
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Signs, library
 
Signs, library
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Especially access to a kitchen for food
 
Especially access to a kitchen for food
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Speaking to people who have been to ows, 2 main groups: sis  [logistics] and food
 
Speaking to people who have been to ows, 2 main groups: sis  [logistics] and food
 
In the uses of space, e5 has 6 occupy Boston groups tonight, so wg space would be essential
 
In the uses of space, e5 has 6 occupy Boston groups tonight, so wg space would be essential
 
Space in designated area for info in the front so people could see when they come in
 
Space in designated area for info in the front so people could see when they come in
 
150 ppl cd fit in about 1200 sq. ft. incl stage [community church]
 
150 ppl cd fit in about 1200 sq. ft. incl stage [community church]
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Wildebeest - has anybody seen ows donations, since the camp went down…?
 
Wildebeest - has anybody seen ows donations, since the camp went down…?
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Liam - They had  a half million we had 50000
 
Liam - They had  a half million we had 50000
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Greg - if there was that much space, if we use that 1200-1400 , how many wgs cd we have at a time there?
 
Greg - if there was that much space, if we use that 1200-1400 , how many wgs cd we have at a time there?
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Jay - I had done a layout: 4 dedicated spaces 250 sf for wgs, and I had designated logistics, food, and media
 
Jay - I had done a layout: 4 dedicated spaces 250 sf for wgs, and I had designated logistics, food, and media
 
That leaves another 250-500 that cd be broken up to a couple of smaller spaces of 10-20 people in each
 
That leaves another 250-500 that cd be broken up to a couple of smaller spaces of 10-20 people in each
 
I was working on an open space with partitions.
 
I was working on an open space with partitions.
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Liam - people want spaces for media, radio, etc to work
 
Liam - people want spaces for media, radio, etc to work
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Greg - if we cd get those numbers down
 
Greg - if we cd get those numbers down
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Jay: ask how much would a wg require?
 
Jay: ask how much would a wg require?
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John murphy –  
 
John murphy –  
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Greg I  agree that there are core wgs that need space
 
Greg I  agree that there are core wgs that need space
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John - the medics shouldn’t be sharing w the sign tent
 
John - the medics shouldn’t be sharing w the sign tent
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Patti - there is a lot of space that landlords will build out to yr specifications
 
Patti - there is a lot of space that landlords will build out to yr specifications
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Greg - if you didn’t ask for that maybe they would be more agreeable to month to month
 
Greg - if you didn’t ask for that maybe they would be more agreeable to month to month
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Bobbi - have we thought about what heat will cost?
 
Bobbi - have we thought about what heat will cost?
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Jay - some props I was just browsing say that all costs are included.
 
Jay - some props I was just browsing say that all costs are included.
 
On some leases, you only pay what you use
 
On some leases, you only pay what you use
 
Triple net lease, you pay association fees, you pay taxes, also snow removal
 
Triple net lease, you pay association fees, you pay taxes, also snow removal
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Greg - that’s the norm for a lot of office space
 
Greg - that’s the norm for a lot of office space
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Jay - we spoke of finding a distressed owner, under threat of foreclosure, because no tenants for so long
 
Jay - we spoke of finding a distressed owner, under threat of foreclosure, because no tenants for so long
 
Probably more likely give a better deal
 
Probably more likely give a better deal
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Bobbi - cd we find out if it would be foreclosed while we were in it?
 
Bobbi - cd we find out if it would be foreclosed while we were in it?
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Jay - would under threat
 
Jay - would under threat
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Martin - told about a tour that I took. I saw a church at Andrew Square station, big, open, space for gas, kitchen, office space,  
 
Martin - told about a tour that I took. I saw a church at Andrew Square station, big, open, space for gas, kitchen, office space,  
 
They’re willing to sell or lease, maybe the 3 of us, or anybody who wants to come
 
They’re willing to sell or lease, maybe the 3 of us, or anybody who wants to come
 
I took a lot of pics from there  
 
I took a lot of pics from there  
 
It’s not abandoned, but vacant
 
It’s not abandoned, but vacant
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Greg - on other follow up, raw space, owners will build out, we talked to our union friends, who are willing to do that
 
Greg - on other follow up, raw space, owners will build out, we talked to our union friends, who are willing to do that
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Jay - as long as you get permits, and have licensed ppl do it, owners like that
 
Jay - as long as you get permits, and have licensed ppl do it, owners like that
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Patti – there are a lot of different technologies for moving walls and multiple uses.
 
Patti – there are a lot of different technologies for moving walls and multiple uses.
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John - From the door to the bookcases and to the door [here], about 1700 sf
 
John - From the door to the bookcases and to the door [here], about 1700 sf
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John - 2000 ought to be the minimum
 
John - 2000 ought to be the minimum
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Greg - I envision a multifloor space
 
Greg - I envision a multifloor space
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Jorge - are we assuming that
 
Jorge - are we assuming that
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John - we cd just move the chairs away for a ga
 
John - we cd just move the chairs away for a ga
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Jay - we cd have gas in several neighborhoods
 
Jay - we cd have gas in several neighborhoods
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Jorge - facilitation is working on this in terms of a road-show ga…
 
Jorge - facilitation is working on this in terms of a road-show ga…
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Greg -  the core groups who need space, logistics, medical, media, food
 
Greg -  the core groups who need space, logistics, medical, media, food
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Jay - logistics, medical, media, food
 
Jay - logistics, medical, media, food
Patti - my question is for medical, what are they actually gonna do in that space, because if they’re actually going to be practicing medicine in that space, that cd be an issue.
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Patti - my question is for medical, what are they actually gonna do in that space, because if they’re actually going to be practicing medicine in that  
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space, that cd be an issue.
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Jay - same thing as on a march, first aid and call EMS.
 
Jay - same thing as on a march, first aid and call EMS.
 
In general, they would have information
 
In general, they would have information
  
 
Patti - but not like a clinic or anything
 
Patti - but not like a clinic or anything
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Jay - no, maybe first aid,
 
Jay - no, maybe first aid,
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Greg – if there’s a thousand there, what’s a storefront size?
 
Greg – if there’s a thousand there, what’s a storefront size?
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Jay - about 750
 
Jay - about 750
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Greg – so about 3000 not 2000
 
Greg – so about 3000 not 2000
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John - is that the minimum we’re looking for?
 
John - is that the minimum we’re looking for?
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Jorge - so do we know the potential rents on a 3000 sf space?
 
Jorge - so do we know the potential rents on a 3000 sf space?
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Jay - there’s a space in the so end, it’s 4500 sf, for $5000, sorry, its down Harrison ave, a loft
 
Jay - there’s a space in the so end, it’s 4500 sf, for $5000, sorry, its down Harrison ave, a loft
 
How long will that last for this amount?
 
How long will that last for this amount?
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Bobbi - we also want space for a library, it’s nice to have a storefront, but we need to be sure it’s up to code. We can’t afford to buy stuff that’s up to code
 
Bobbi - we also want space for a library, it’s nice to have a storefront, but we need to be sure it’s up to code. We can’t afford to buy stuff that’s up to code
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Greg - we need a lounge
 
Greg - we need a lounge
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Bobbi - we cd sell flowers
 
Bobbi - we cd sell flowers
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Eric - by next winter, we would have a plan of business. Why can’t we have more autonomous actions? If it’s all occupy boston, there would be issues of liability.
 
Eric - by next winter, we would have a plan of business. Why can’t we have more autonomous actions? If it’s all occupy boston, there would be issues of liability.
 
Locking into rent for longer than 3 months, not good. I have ideas to get us through the winter months I will get to later
 
Locking into rent for longer than 3 months, not good. I have ideas to get us through the winter months I will get to later
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John m – we cd have one place downtown where people cd go through and donations, and we cd have another place, like in jp, much less expensive
 
John m – we cd have one place downtown where people cd go through and donations, and we cd have another place, like in jp, much less expensive
 
If we go out of core boston, 99% chance that we’ll stay
 
If we go out of core boston, 99% chance that we’ll stay
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Bobbi - I’ll explore Cambridge and Somerville
 
Bobbi - I’ll explore Cambridge and Somerville
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John - donations are down.
 
John - donations are down.
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Wildebeest – let’s go back to what we had, let’s set up somewhere else, if it was good  before, why not now?
 
Wildebeest – let’s go back to what we had, let’s set up somewhere else, if it was good  before, why not now?
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Greg - I don’t think you’re alone, others have the same idea
 
Greg - I don’t think you’re alone, others have the same idea
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Wildebeest – I would need some help  
 
Wildebeest – I would need some help  
 
I was an occupier not a paper occupier but a real occupier
 
I was an occupier not a paper occupier but a real occupier
 
What makes you think they will pay our rent?
 
What makes you think they will pay our rent?
 
Dude , were falling apart
 
Dude , were falling apart
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Jay - the march aspect as the visibility, it’s almost impossible to do right now. Work groups aren’t working together
 
Jay - the march aspect as the visibility, it’s almost impossible to do right now. Work groups aren’t working together
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Patrick - you need the visual
 
Patrick - you need the visual
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Eric - occubagos would be visible. The other thing what about the donations of space.
 
Eric - occubagos would be visible. The other thing what about the donations of space.
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Greg  
 
Greg  
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Eric - till we get some
 
Eric - till we get some
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Liam - we desperately need something that’s high profile. As far as movement building, high profile, I think that it’s a death throw to move to a distant place. It has to be in boston and sustainable
 
Liam - we desperately need something that’s high profile. As far as movement building, high profile, I think that it’s a death throw to move to a distant place. It has to be in boston and sustainable
 
Wildebeest – you want them to pay charity for rent, food, we might as well be adopted
 
Wildebeest – you want them to pay charity for rent, food, we might as well be adopted
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Greg - if there’s a space for a center, and there is also work that gets us out of dependency, that creates revenue, and acts as a magnet for people to come check us out.
 
Greg - if there’s a space for a center, and there is also work that gets us out of dependency, that creates revenue, and acts as a magnet for people to come check us out.
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Wildebeest – I love the idea, I just don’t think it’s feasible
 
Wildebeest – I love the idea, I just don’t think it’s feasible
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Jay – it’s not charity. I was on the sidewalk every day. Thousands of people pulled up and gave us stuff and said it was because they couldn’t be here.
 
Jay – it’s not charity. I was on the sidewalk every day. Thousands of people pulled up and gave us stuff and said it was because they couldn’t be here.
 
It’s tough for the public. They don’t know where we are
 
It’s tough for the public. They don’t know where we are
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We just have to commit ourselves to that process
 
We just have to commit ourselves to that process
 
I’ve also been filming with a coop in Venezuela
 
I’ve also been filming with a coop in Venezuela
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Greg - we need to be out of here at 930?
 
Greg - we need to be out of here at 930?
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Jay - we did see the outsides, I have 30 on a list, and we found 13 more properties in that vicinity
 
Jay - we did see the outsides, I have 30 on a list, and we found 13 more properties in that vicinity
 
There was about 10 that I pretty much circled all the ones that had potential enough that we talked about them, so I took a note
 
There was about 10 that I pretty much circled all the ones that had potential enough that we talked about them, so I took a note
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Greg - cd you tell if it was more than one floor?
 
Greg - cd you tell if it was more than one floor?
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Jay - you could see stairways
 
Jay - you could see stairways
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Greg - what characteristics drove this top ten list?
 
Greg - what characteristics drove this top ten list?
 
There was something that grabbed you about it.
 
There was something that grabbed you about it.
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Liam - I know the back story on rogers jewelry
 
Liam - I know the back story on rogers jewelry
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Greg - I got a question for you guys.
 
Greg - I got a question for you guys.
 
You’re poised to type this list up?
 
You’re poised to type this list up?
 
It’s ready to go to paul so he could find a list of brokers?
 
It’s ready to go to paul so he could find a list of brokers?
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Patti - when you go through a broker it’s more expensive because the landlord has to pay the broker
 
Patti - when you go through a broker it’s more expensive because the landlord has to pay the broker
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John - we should go to the neighbors  
 
John - we should go to the neighbors  
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Greg - they will say talk to the brokers
 
Greg - they will say talk to the brokers
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Jay - there was literally maybe three main realty companies
 
Jay - there was literally maybe three main realty companies
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Bobbi - do we want retail, industrial…?
 
Bobbi - do we want retail, industrial…?
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Randy - did we talk to e5 and get their advice?
 
Randy - did we talk to e5 and get their advice?
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Liam - yes
 
Liam - yes
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John - so our next step is create a next meeting date b4 we leave, and should we make another list?
 
John - so our next step is create a next meeting date b4 we leave, and should we make another list?
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Greg - as much as I want to be here, I think we should expand a little bit
 
Greg - as much as I want to be here, I think we should expand a little bit
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Patti – there’s a lot of empty office space in the north end; there’s one on causeway street empty for 8 yrs
 
Patti – there’s a lot of empty office space in the north end; there’s one on causeway street empty for 8 yrs
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Martin – here’s a website that will give you all the information
 
Martin – here’s a website that will give you all the information
 
http://www.cityofboston.gov/assessing/search/
 
http://www.cityofboston.gov/assessing/search/
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Patti - also see registry of deeds
 
Patti - also see registry of deeds
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John - so does anybody want to go out and look at other real estate?
 
John - so does anybody want to go out and look at other real estate?
 
Create another list.
 
Create another list.
 
I’m just pissed that we don’t have a place
 
I’m just pissed that we don’t have a place
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Eric - john you were mentioning places outside of downtown boston. How far?
 
Eric - john you were mentioning places outside of downtown boston. How far?
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John - kenmore has a lot of foot traffic, north station, other train stations.
 
John - kenmore has a lot of foot traffic, north station, other train stations.
 
We’re spending money, but we’re not taking in money, we have no fundraising
 
We’re spending money, but we’re not taking in money, we have no fundraising
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Monica - let’s do fundraising
 
Monica - let’s do fundraising
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Greg - I disagree. We should find a place. We should figure out what we can afford and ask donors for help
 
Greg - I disagree. We should find a place. We should figure out what we can afford and ask donors for help
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Martin – there’s a difference between fundraising at dewey, $20 at a time, and big donors
 
Martin – there’s a difference between fundraising at dewey, $20 at a time, and big donors
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Monica - we want big donors, it’s less work.
 
Monica - we want big donors, it’s less work.
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Greg - it’s pretty much 50-50 between the box and the wepay
 
Greg - it’s pretty much 50-50 between the box and the wepay
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Aria - I was a professional fund raiser for ten years
 
Aria - I was a professional fund raiser for ten years
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Aria - 20 percent goes to overhead, the rest goes to the cause.
 
Aria - 20 percent goes to overhead, the rest goes to the cause.
 
Fundraising gets you toward structure
 
Fundraising gets you toward structure
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Liam - we already have some donors identified.  
 
Liam - we already have some donors identified.  
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Aria - Fundraising seems to happen without you realizing it
 
Aria - Fundraising seems to happen without you realizing it
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Greg - next meeting either Friday or Monday. Will we have anything to talk about by friday?
 
Greg - next meeting either Friday or Monday. Will we have anything to talk about by friday?
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John - we could come saturday morning.
 
John - we could come saturday morning.
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Jay - 4:00 Monday next meeting.
 
Jay - 4:00 Monday next meeting.

Latest revision as of 19:41, 4 January 2012

dec 28 2011

In attendance: Jay, john m, greg m, tara, Jorge, patti, Patrick, glenn, wildebeest, monica, eric, martin, Liam, Bobbi

Jay - did not get to requirements for use of the space Wk grp space etc

Recap of properties looked at: Jorge john and jay

Jorge - got an email from somebody at community gathering about what we would like to see in an HQ A number and info of a prop owner, I will forward his info to the grp

Bobbi - what kind of

Jorge - warehouses, etc so end: cheap, looking for low-maintenance tenants 617 332 1250 isaac beck

Greg: Jorge, want to call him?

Jorge - yes

Greg - we had talked about hey paul we want to go look at this number [Paul Johnston] We called already, the brokers will ask the owners if they will consider year leases inst of 3 yr leases

liam - he said it’s useless to these property-owners till we decide on organizational and payment issues There’s a 501c3 that we need to talk to [united for a fair economy, brian miller] if we show them that we have the money, they wd sign a lease?

tara: I’m anti-501c3 for occ bos; we would become a fundraising org, so we should partner w a 501c3 we would have to agree on some liability issues, eg insurance rider

jay - partnership w a 501c3 would have to be agreed by GA

patti - if it was united for a fair economy, they would be responsible, we’d give them the $

greg – I had a half-hour conversation at the media tent would you consider this? And miller said he “could probably sell it to my board” talked to haymarket fund, jp tidewss found might be interested in sponsoring but united for a fair economy is the only one who I’ve asked to sign a lease.

Tara - Language that you use in agreements w larger 501c3s is important under state law Loose wording, avoid certain terms

Greg - I think the pieces are be a little bit clearer about the uses of the spaces, money

Wildebeest - does anybody know what we will get for our money?

Patti - the office where I work is 5 6 7 8000/mo

John m - 25 / sq ft

Rachel - 17 is low and most of those places don’t look like places where you would want to be

Wildebeest

Jay recapping last week

Uses: work groups, ga, etc

Signs, library

Especially access to a kitchen for food

Speaking to people who have been to ows, 2 main groups: sis [logistics] and food In the uses of space, e5 has 6 occupy Boston groups tonight, so wg space would be essential Space in designated area for info in the front so people could see when they come in 150 ppl cd fit in about 1200 sq. ft. incl stage [community church]

Wildebeest - has anybody seen ows donations, since the camp went down…?

Liam - They had a half million we had 50000

Greg - if there was that much space, if we use that 1200-1400 , how many wgs cd we have at a time there?

Jay - I had done a layout: 4 dedicated spaces 250 sf for wgs, and I had designated logistics, food, and media That leaves another 250-500 that cd be broken up to a couple of smaller spaces of 10-20 people in each I was working on an open space with partitions.

Liam - people want spaces for media, radio, etc to work

Greg - if we cd get those numbers down

Jay: ask how much would a wg require?

John murphy –

Greg I agree that there are core wgs that need space

John - the medics shouldn’t be sharing w the sign tent

Patti - there is a lot of space that landlords will build out to yr specifications

Greg - if you didn’t ask for that maybe they would be more agreeable to month to month

Bobbi - have we thought about what heat will cost?

Jay - some props I was just browsing say that all costs are included. On some leases, you only pay what you use Triple net lease, you pay association fees, you pay taxes, also snow removal

Greg - that’s the norm for a lot of office space

Jay - we spoke of finding a distressed owner, under threat of foreclosure, because no tenants for so long Probably more likely give a better deal

Bobbi - cd we find out if it would be foreclosed while we were in it?

Jay - would under threat

Martin - told about a tour that I took. I saw a church at Andrew Square station, big, open, space for gas, kitchen, office space, They’re willing to sell or lease, maybe the 3 of us, or anybody who wants to come I took a lot of pics from there It’s not abandoned, but vacant

Greg - on other follow up, raw space, owners will build out, we talked to our union friends, who are willing to do that

Jay - as long as you get permits, and have licensed ppl do it, owners like that

Patti – there are a lot of different technologies for moving walls and multiple uses.

John - From the door to the bookcases and to the door [here], about 1700 sf

John - 2000 ought to be the minimum

Greg - I envision a multifloor space

Jorge - are we assuming that

John - we cd just move the chairs away for a ga

Jay - we cd have gas in several neighborhoods

Jorge - facilitation is working on this in terms of a road-show ga…

Greg - the core groups who need space, logistics, medical, media, food

Jay - logistics, medical, media, food

Patti - my question is for medical, what are they actually gonna do in that space, because if they’re actually going to be practicing medicine in that space, that cd be an issue.

Jay - same thing as on a march, first aid and call EMS. In general, they would have information

Patti - but not like a clinic or anything

Jay - no, maybe first aid,

Greg – if there’s a thousand there, what’s a storefront size?

Jay - about 750

Greg – so about 3000 not 2000

John - is that the minimum we’re looking for?

Jorge - so do we know the potential rents on a 3000 sf space?

Jay - there’s a space in the so end, it’s 4500 sf, for $5000, sorry, its down Harrison ave, a loft How long will that last for this amount?

Bobbi - we also want space for a library, it’s nice to have a storefront, but we need to be sure it’s up to code. We can’t afford to buy stuff that’s up to code

Greg - we need a lounge

Bobbi - we cd sell flowers

Eric - by next winter, we would have a plan of business. Why can’t we have more autonomous actions? If it’s all occupy boston, there would be issues of liability. Locking into rent for longer than 3 months, not good. I have ideas to get us through the winter months I will get to later

John m – we cd have one place downtown where people cd go through and donations, and we cd have another place, like in jp, much less expensive If we go out of core boston, 99% chance that we’ll stay

Bobbi - I’ll explore Cambridge and Somerville

John - donations are down.

Wildebeest – let’s go back to what we had, let’s set up somewhere else, if it was good before, why not now?

Greg - I don’t think you’re alone, others have the same idea

Wildebeest – I would need some help I was an occupier not a paper occupier but a real occupier What makes you think they will pay our rent? Dude , were falling apart

Jay - the march aspect as the visibility, it’s almost impossible to do right now. Work groups aren’t working together

Patrick - you need the visual

Eric - occubagos would be visible. The other thing what about the donations of space.

Greg

Eric - till we get some

Liam - we desperately need something that’s high profile. As far as movement building, high profile, I think that it’s a death throw to move to a distant place. It has to be in boston and sustainable Wildebeest – you want them to pay charity for rent, food, we might as well be adopted

Greg - if there’s a space for a center, and there is also work that gets us out of dependency, that creates revenue, and acts as a magnet for people to come check us out.

Wildebeest – I love the idea, I just don’t think it’s feasible

Jay – it’s not charity. I was on the sidewalk every day. Thousands of people pulled up and gave us stuff and said it was because they couldn’t be here. It’s tough for the public. They don’t know where we are

Liam – the reason that I am really stressing the coop is because I’ve been part of two, in NYC, built housing for 25000 people, a café, a used clothing store. We just have to commit ourselves to that process I’ve also been filming with a coop in Venezuela

Greg - we need to be out of here at 930?

Jay - we did see the outsides, I have 30 on a list, and we found 13 more properties in that vicinity There was about 10 that I pretty much circled all the ones that had potential enough that we talked about them, so I took a note

Greg - cd you tell if it was more than one floor?

Jay - you could see stairways

Greg - what characteristics drove this top ten list? There was something that grabbed you about it.

Liam - I know the back story on rogers jewelry

Greg - I got a question for you guys. You’re poised to type this list up? It’s ready to go to paul so he could find a list of brokers?

Patti - when you go through a broker it’s more expensive because the landlord has to pay the broker

John - we should go to the neighbors

Greg - they will say talk to the brokers

Jay - there was literally maybe three main realty companies

Bobbi - do we want retail, industrial…?

Randy - did we talk to e5 and get their advice?

Liam - yes

John - so our next step is create a next meeting date b4 we leave, and should we make another list?

Greg - as much as I want to be here, I think we should expand a little bit

Patti – there’s a lot of empty office space in the north end; there’s one on causeway street empty for 8 yrs

Martin – here’s a website that will give you all the information http://www.cityofboston.gov/assessing/search/

Patti - also see registry of deeds

John - so does anybody want to go out and look at other real estate? Create another list. I’m just pissed that we don’t have a place

Eric - john you were mentioning places outside of downtown boston. How far?

John - kenmore has a lot of foot traffic, north station, other train stations. We’re spending money, but we’re not taking in money, we have no fundraising

Monica - let’s do fundraising

Greg - I disagree. We should find a place. We should figure out what we can afford and ask donors for help

Martin – there’s a difference between fundraising at dewey, $20 at a time, and big donors

Monica - we want big donors, it’s less work.

Greg - it’s pretty much 50-50 between the box and the wepay

Aria - I was a professional fund raiser for ten years

Aria - 20 percent goes to overhead, the rest goes to the cause. Fundraising gets you toward structure

Liam - we already have some donors identified.

Aria - Fundraising seems to happen without you realizing it

Greg - next meeting either Friday or Monday. Will we have anything to talk about by friday?

John - we could come saturday morning.

Jay - 4:00 Monday next meeting.