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What do you want to get out of the meeting? <br> | |||
* Cal - How are we going to work together as a group? How are we going? | |||
* Aria - We are moving toward a mission statement - the way we formulate strategy | |||
What do you want to get out of the meeting? | |||
Cal - How are we going to work together as a group? How are we going? | |||
Aria - We are moving toward a mission statement - the way we formulate strategy | |||
is to collect information as a means of collecting strategy. | is to collect information as a means of collecting strategy. | ||
Once we get hard objectives then we will evaluate the data to get people | Once we get hard objectives then we will evaluate the data to get people | ||
thinking about goals and objectives. Direction of the mission then agreement of | thinking about goals and objectives. Direction of the mission then agreement of | ||
the objectives. | the objectives. | ||
Can the group be nimble? | |||
Individuals verse institutions (Example Abolish all meat farms) How to? | Can the group be nimble? (Agreement)<br> | ||
Education for people - reaching out to individuals. | * Individuals verse institutions (Example Abolish all meat farms) How to? | ||
Karen - Look at people as human beings to make change - confusion of our | * Education for people - reaching out to individuals. | ||
* Karen - Look at people as human beings to make change - confusion of our | |||
process. Would like to give power to the people and not institutions. | process. Would like to give power to the people and not institutions. | ||
More concrete goals. World peace good goal but hard to strategize. What are | More concrete goals. World peace good goal but hard to strategize. What are | ||
specific things we can strategize. | specific things we can strategize. | ||
6:38pm Talking about lingo | |||
When answering the questions about what lingo: Not understanding the difference | 6:38pm Talking about lingo <br> | ||
* When answering the questions about what lingo: Not understanding the difference | |||
between achieving world peace and a Constitutional Amendment as they are both | between achieving world peace and a Constitutional Amendment as they are both | ||
"pie in the sky" | "pie in the sky" as expressed by Karen. | ||
as expressed by Karen. | * Terra - We are looking to facilitate legislative actions through education. | ||
Terra - We are looking to facilitate legislative actions through education. | |||
Individual action as a category that can be "bubbled on" from the grassroots up. | Individual action as a category that can be "bubbled on" from the grassroots up. | ||
Karen - Does not believe amending the Constitution is enough for change. | * Karen - Does not believe amending the Constitution is enough for change. | ||
Chris - Institutions and Individuals - Individuals are a big force as consumers. | * Chris - Institutions and Individuals - Individuals are a big force as consumers. | ||
6:48pm Deciding what we are going to do next | |||
Karen - Wants to empower individuals to affect change - to do things | 6:48pm Deciding what we are going to do next <br> | ||
Aria - At the end of this we should have a list of goals for people to take | * Karen - Wants to empower individuals to affect change - to do things | ||
individual action. | * Aria - At the end of this we should have a list of goals for people to take individual action. | ||
Karen - Clarifying? Is the purpose of this call to create a new political party? | * Karen - Clarifying? Is the purpose of this call to create a new political party? | ||
Aria - What does Occupy want? | * Aria - What does Occupy want? | ||
Terra - The roadmap is a collection of ideas - where are people's head's going - | * Terra - The roadmap is a collection of ideas - where are people's head's going - | ||
collective think - the roadmap are things that can happen legislatively as well | collective think - the roadmap are things that can happen legislatively as well | ||
as more - two roadmaps one for legislative change and one for post legislative | as more - two roadmaps one for legislative change and one for post legislative | ||
change | change | ||
6:55pm | |||
Polar - We don't need to make the distinction of individual verse institution - | 6:55pm<br> | ||
* Polar - We don't need to make the distinction of individual verse institution - | |||
reality based change not simply "empower individuals" something more specific | reality based change not simply "empower individuals" something more specific | ||
If something doesn't represent something that is in a "realty zone" then it | If something doesn't represent something that is in a "realty zone" then it | ||
shouldn't be on the list. | shouldn't be on the list. | ||
* Iwanka - Where is viability directed? (Answer: Why mention world peace and | |||
then take our group seriously) | then take our group seriously) | ||
Aria - Not talking about what talking about how | * Aria - Not talking about what talking about how. Ending poverty in the world doesn't fit the criteria so we shouldn't include it. | ||
Ending poverty in the world doesn't fit the criteria so we shouldn't include it. | * Michael - question about the survey verse having a goal like ending corporate | ||
Michael - question about the survey verse having a goal like ending corporate | |||
persons | persons | ||
Aria - The survey is a mid step before the national gathering to collect information | * Aria - The survey is a mid step before the national gathering to collect information | ||
Cal - What are the steps we are going to do for a goal if we picked one | * Cal - What are the steps we are going to do for a goal if we picked one | ||
thing before natgat | thing before natgat | ||
Karen - What's she's feeling is missing - her concern - tons of surveys done | * Karen - What's she's feeling is missing - her concern - tons of surveys done | ||
asking questions - feels whoever shows up on a call determines the agenda - we | asking questions - feels whoever shows up on a call determines the agenda - we | ||
should go back and see what people thought when as a group and cite it - | should go back and see what people thought when as a group and cite it - | ||
* Aria - Abandon the process and see how we can advise those at natgat could do x | |||
Aria - Abandon the process and see how we can advise those at natgat could do x | |||
y or z thing one option - second option bring the results of a survey with us to | y or z thing one option - second option bring the results of a survey with us to | ||
see where the "umff" is - throwing this out there as possibilities as were | see where the "umff" is - throwing this out there as possibilities as were | ||
things to go | things to go | ||
Cal - It a solution not either or - more national input verse clumps of people | * Cal - It a solution not either or - more national input verse clumps of people | ||
who show up in places - most people outside Occupy want the movement to focus | who show up in places - most people outside Occupy want the movement to focus | ||
Polar - If Karen is right why bother with surveys - we are a working group | * Polar - If Karen is right why bother with surveys - we are a working group | ||
associated with Occupy - Occupy is a loosely linked chain with each group having | associated with Occupy - Occupy is a loosely linked chain with each group having | ||
a mission - the work we choose to do is valid - come up with a product to bring | a mission - the work we choose to do is valid - come up with a product to bring | ||
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we don't turn about 100 million people in this society. Serious movement | we don't turn about 100 million people in this society. Serious movement | ||
doesn't identify with pipe dreams. | doesn't identify with pipe dreams. | ||
Karen - She thought this was the national strategy group - she thought this | * Karen - She thought this was the national strategy group - she thought this | ||
groups purpose was to see what people wanted and bring a proposal to natgat and | groups purpose was to see what people wanted and bring a proposal to natgat and | ||
build a strategic plan - I don't think a survey is the way through it - what is | build a strategic plan - I don't think a survey is the way through it - what is | ||
lacking is the political will - by political I mean individuals not a list serve | lacking is the political will - by political I mean individuals not a list serve | ||
- Interested in bringing a strategic plan to national gathering | - Interested in bringing a strategic plan to national gathering | ||
Terra - Believes we have been preparing proposals to bring to the natgat - | * Terra - Believes we have been preparing proposals to bring to the natgat - | ||
individual action verse legislative what percent of our effort will be put into each | individual action verse legislative what percent of our effort will be put into each | ||
* Aria - What we should do is take the data we have now and narrow it down to a | |||
Aria - What we should do is take the data we have now and narrow it down to a | |||
number - say 12 and present that to natgat as a means of crowd sourcing - we | number - say 12 and present that to natgat as a means of crowd sourcing - we | ||
want to know what they want - | want to know what they want - | ||
Michael - Believes there should be one main focus of the movement and show | * Michael - Believes there should be one main focus of the movement and show | ||
how that one thing connects to many things | how that one thing connects to many things | ||
Cal - Had a vision on how the movement focused on one thing and achieved that | * Cal - Had a vision on how the movement focused on one thing and achieved that | ||
one thing and use that to achieve another thing - wasn't for focusing on one | one thing and use that to achieve another thing - wasn't for focusing on one | ||
thing but now believes the movement should focus on one thing and thinks that a | thing but now believes the movement should focus on one thing and thinks that a | ||
strategy group should make that recommendation at natgat | strategy group should make that recommendation at natgat | ||
Polar - One broad objective corporate ownership of the country under that | * Polar - One broad objective corporate ownership of the country under that | ||
corporate personhood - media, commons - did start off as Occupy Wall Street not | corporate personhood - media, commons - did start off as Occupy Wall Street not | ||
Occupy End of War - framing our project as one thing such as corporate ownership | Occupy End of War - framing our project as one thing such as corporate ownership | ||
of the country and go from there | of the country and go from there | ||
* Aria - Believes that the people who attend the natgat are the people who are | |||
Aria - Believes that the people who attend the natgat are the people who are | |||
doing the work - if we were to say bring to natgat ending corporate person but | doing the work - if we were to say bring to natgat ending corporate person but | ||
don't bring an income guarantee and a proportional representative | don't bring an income guarantee and a proportional representative | ||
Cal - Many things you just said fall into corporate power - most things with the | * Cal - Many things you just said fall into corporate power - most things with the | ||
economy - unions - wages | economy - unions - wages | ||
Dennis - For years we have a one sided top down class war - they are stopping | * Dennis - For years we have a one sided top down class war - they are stopping | ||
everything including environmental stuff - paid off by lobbyists - if we can | everything including environmental stuff - paid off by lobbyists - if we can | ||
centralize it and fit a lot of different issues that show it has to do with the | centralize it and fit a lot of different issues that show it has to do with the | ||
controls of the corporations | controls of the corporations | ||
Polar - Like the idea of an umbrella to affect a lot aspects - what is it to be | * Polar - Like the idea of an umbrella to affect a lot aspects - what is it to be | ||
a fully realized human being? | a fully realized human being? | ||
Michael - Government in the Future by Prof. Chomsky has in it about about true | * Michael - Government in the Future by Prof. Chomsky has in it about about true | ||
human action is that which flows from inter impulse - the true end of humanity | human action is that which flows from inter impulse - the true end of humanity | ||
is to inquire and create not be a cog in a machine of production | is to inquire and create not be a cog in a machine of production | ||
Terra - likes how the energy is converging on a short list | * Terra - likes how the energy is converging on a short list | ||
Aria - Basic income guarantee - abolish corporate person - set aside first use | * Aria - Basic income guarantee - abolish corporate person - set aside first use | ||
privilege of common land with first use privilege of disenfranchised people | privilege of common land with first use privilege of disenfranchised people | ||
Polar - Human Personhood | * Polar - Human Personhood | ||
* Karen - Proposed three things - need to shift power - what is power - | |||
Karen - Proposed three things - need to shift power - what is power - | |||
dismantling the corporate system - realize people's own human potential | dismantling the corporate system - realize people's own human potential | ||
Cal - not imposing a plan on other people - Terra planned a debrief at the end | Cal - not imposing a plan on other people - Terra planned a debrief at the end | ||
of the call | of the call | ||
Aria - What and how is very important - what is missing is how are we going to | * Aria - What and how is very important - what is missing is how are we going to | ||
get there - proposal the mission of this group to put forth objectives of how | get there - proposal the mission of this group to put forth objectives of how | ||
will Occupy bring about a new world | will Occupy bring about a new world | ||
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corporations own the government (8:04pm Media campaign about the irony of human | corporations own the government (8:04pm Media campaign about the irony of human | ||
personhood believing that it can reach people) | personhood believing that it can reach people) | ||
Karen - I was proposing not just destructing but human values and creativity and | * Karen - I was proposing not just destructing but human values and creativity and | ||
natural law | |||
Michael - We can not fail at abolishing corporate persons - we need to continue | * Michael - We can not fail at abolishing corporate persons - we need to continue | ||
until we succeed at abolishing corporate persons - we will not be able to do | until we succeed at abolishing corporate persons - we will not be able to do | ||
anything about the environment until we abolish corporate persons - the | anything about the environment until we abolish corporate persons - the | ||
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need to as long as corporations are people embracing environmental destruction | need to as long as corporations are people embracing environmental destruction | ||
as money making opportunities | as money making opportunities | ||
Aria - come up with a short list would be a great mission for this group - I | * Aria - come up with a short list would be a great mission for this group - I | ||
hope we can settle that as a mission | hope we can settle that as a mission | ||
Karen - concur that we need a narrower list - not a survey - merit in exhaustive | Karen - concur that we need a narrower list - not a survey - merit in exhaustive | ||
list on paper - to then narrow | list on paper - to then narrow | ||
8:05pm | |||
* 8:05pm | |||
Debrief | Debrief | ||
8:30pm | |||
Home Work: Go on Ether Pad and share what the issues are - edit and figure it | * 8:30pm Home Work: Go on Ether Pad and share what the issues are - edit and figure it out throughout the week - figure out when the next call is next Monday or the | ||
out throughout the week - figure out when the next call is next Monday or the | |||
Monday after | Monday after | ||
Notetaker: Michael |
Latest revision as of 22:02, 20 May 2013
5/20/13 6-8pm Call
What do you want to get out of the meeting?
- Cal - How are we going to work together as a group? How are we going?
- Aria - We are moving toward a mission statement - the way we formulate strategy
is to collect information as a means of collecting strategy. Once we get hard objectives then we will evaluate the data to get people thinking about goals and objectives. Direction of the mission then agreement of the objectives.
Can the group be nimble? (Agreement)
- Individuals verse institutions (Example Abolish all meat farms) How to?
- Education for people - reaching out to individuals.
- Karen - Look at people as human beings to make change - confusion of our
process. Would like to give power to the people and not institutions. More concrete goals. World peace good goal but hard to strategize. What are specific things we can strategize.
6:38pm Talking about lingo
- When answering the questions about what lingo: Not understanding the difference
between achieving world peace and a Constitutional Amendment as they are both "pie in the sky" as expressed by Karen.
- Terra - We are looking to facilitate legislative actions through education.
Individual action as a category that can be "bubbled on" from the grassroots up.
- Karen - Does not believe amending the Constitution is enough for change.
- Chris - Institutions and Individuals - Individuals are a big force as consumers.
6:48pm Deciding what we are going to do next
- Karen - Wants to empower individuals to affect change - to do things
- Aria - At the end of this we should have a list of goals for people to take individual action.
- Karen - Clarifying? Is the purpose of this call to create a new political party?
- Aria - What does Occupy want?
- Terra - The roadmap is a collection of ideas - where are people's head's going -
collective think - the roadmap are things that can happen legislatively as well as more - two roadmaps one for legislative change and one for post legislative change
6:55pm
- Polar - We don't need to make the distinction of individual verse institution -
reality based change not simply "empower individuals" something more specific If something doesn't represent something that is in a "realty zone" then it shouldn't be on the list.
- Iwanka - Where is viability directed? (Answer: Why mention world peace and
then take our group seriously)
- Aria - Not talking about what talking about how. Ending poverty in the world doesn't fit the criteria so we shouldn't include it.
- Michael - question about the survey verse having a goal like ending corporate
persons
- Aria - The survey is a mid step before the national gathering to collect information
- Cal - What are the steps we are going to do for a goal if we picked one
thing before natgat
- Karen - What's she's feeling is missing - her concern - tons of surveys done
asking questions - feels whoever shows up on a call determines the agenda - we should go back and see what people thought when as a group and cite it -
- Aria - Abandon the process and see how we can advise those at natgat could do x
y or z thing one option - second option bring the results of a survey with us to see where the "umff" is - throwing this out there as possibilities as were things to go
- Cal - It a solution not either or - more national input verse clumps of people
who show up in places - most people outside Occupy want the movement to focus
- Polar - If Karen is right why bother with surveys - we are a working group
associated with Occupy - Occupy is a loosely linked chain with each group having a mission - the work we choose to do is valid - come up with a product to bring to natgat that represents the knowledge base and skill set of the people in this group - I think the focus is "Who are we" - The movement accomplishes nothing if we don't turn about 100 million people in this society. Serious movement doesn't identify with pipe dreams.
- Karen - She thought this was the national strategy group - she thought this
groups purpose was to see what people wanted and bring a proposal to natgat and build a strategic plan - I don't think a survey is the way through it - what is lacking is the political will - by political I mean individuals not a list serve - Interested in bringing a strategic plan to national gathering
- Terra - Believes we have been preparing proposals to bring to the natgat -
individual action verse legislative what percent of our effort will be put into each
- Aria - What we should do is take the data we have now and narrow it down to a
number - say 12 and present that to natgat as a means of crowd sourcing - we want to know what they want -
- Michael - Believes there should be one main focus of the movement and show
how that one thing connects to many things
- Cal - Had a vision on how the movement focused on one thing and achieved that
one thing and use that to achieve another thing - wasn't for focusing on one thing but now believes the movement should focus on one thing and thinks that a strategy group should make that recommendation at natgat
- Polar - One broad objective corporate ownership of the country under that
corporate personhood - media, commons - did start off as Occupy Wall Street not Occupy End of War - framing our project as one thing such as corporate ownership of the country and go from there
- Aria - Believes that the people who attend the natgat are the people who are
doing the work - if we were to say bring to natgat ending corporate person but don't bring an income guarantee and a proportional representative
- Cal - Many things you just said fall into corporate power - most things with the
economy - unions - wages
- Dennis - For years we have a one sided top down class war - they are stopping
everything including environmental stuff - paid off by lobbyists - if we can centralize it and fit a lot of different issues that show it has to do with the controls of the corporations
- Polar - Like the idea of an umbrella to affect a lot aspects - what is it to be
a fully realized human being?
- Michael - Government in the Future by Prof. Chomsky has in it about about true
human action is that which flows from inter impulse - the true end of humanity is to inquire and create not be a cog in a machine of production
- Terra - likes how the energy is converging on a short list
- Aria - Basic income guarantee - abolish corporate person - set aside first use
privilege of common land with first use privilege of disenfranchised people
- Polar - Human Personhood
- Karen - Proposed three things - need to shift power - what is power -
dismantling the corporate system - realize people's own human potential Cal - not imposing a plan on other people - Terra planned a debrief at the end of the call
- Aria - What and how is very important - what is missing is how are we going to
get there - proposal the mission of this group to put forth objectives of how will Occupy bring about a new world Polar - In response to Karen's idea we are back to everything again and I think it is too broad - what started Occupy Wall Street was the financial collapse and disenfranchised everybody but the bankers and nothing has been fixed because the corporations own the government (8:04pm Media campaign about the irony of human personhood believing that it can reach people)
- Karen - I was proposing not just destructing but human values and creativity and
natural law
- Michael - We can not fail at abolishing corporate persons - we need to continue
until we succeed at abolishing corporate persons - we will not be able to do anything about the environment until we abolish corporate persons - the environment is truly an inclusive issue and we can not affect the change as we need to as long as corporations are people embracing environmental destruction as money making opportunities
- Aria - come up with a short list would be a great mission for this group - I
hope we can settle that as a mission Karen - concur that we need a narrower list - not a survey - merit in exhaustive list on paper - to then narrow
- 8:05pm
Debrief
- 8:30pm Home Work: Go on Ether Pad and share what the issues are - edit and figure it out throughout the week - figure out when the next call is next Monday or the
Monday after
Notetaker: Michael