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6-8pm Call
 
6-8pm Call
  
What do you want to get out of the meeting?* Cal - How are we going to work together as a group?  How are we going?
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What do you want to get out of the meeting? <br>
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* Cal - How are we going to work together as a group?  How are we going?
 
* Aria - We are moving toward a mission statement - the way we formulate strategy  
 
* Aria - We are moving toward a mission statement - the way we formulate strategy  
 
is to collect information as a means of collecting strategy.
 
is to collect information as a means of collecting strategy.
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the objectives.
 
the objectives.
  
Can the group be nimble? (Agreement)
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Can the group be nimble? (Agreement)<br>
 
* Individuals verse institutions (Example Abolish all meat farms)  How to?   
 
* Individuals verse institutions (Example Abolish all meat farms)  How to?   
 
* Education for people - reaching out to individuals.
 
* Education for people - reaching out to individuals.
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specific things we can strategize.
 
specific things we can strategize.
  
* 6:38pm  Talking about lingo
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6:38pm  Talking about lingo <br>
When answering the questions about what lingo:  Not understanding the difference  
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* When answering the questions about what lingo:  Not understanding the difference  
 
between achieving world peace and a Constitutional Amendment as they are both  
 
between achieving world peace and a Constitutional Amendment as they are both  
"pie in the sky"
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"pie in the sky" as expressed by Karen.
as expressed by Karen.
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* Terra - We are looking to facilitate legislative actions through education.   
Terra - We are looking to facilitate legislative actions through education.   
 
 
Individual action as a category that can be "bubbled on" from the grassroots up.
 
Individual action as a category that can be "bubbled on" from the grassroots up.
Karen - Does not believe amending the Constitution is enough for change.
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* Karen - Does not believe amending the Constitution is enough for change.
Chris - Institutions and Individuals - Individuals are a big force as consumers.
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* Chris - Institutions and Individuals - Individuals are a big force as consumers.
6:48pm  Deciding what we are going to do next
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Karen - Wants to empower individuals to affect change - to do things
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6:48pm  Deciding what we are going to do next <br>
Aria - At the end of this we should have a list of goals for people to take  
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* Karen - Wants to empower individuals to affect change - to do things
individual action.
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* Aria - At the end of this we should have a list of goals for people to take individual action.
Karen - Clarifying? Is the purpose of this call to create a new political party?
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* Karen - Clarifying? Is the purpose of this call to create a new political party?
Aria - What does Occupy want?
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* Aria - What does Occupy want?
Terra - The roadmap is a collection of ideas - where are people's head's going -  
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* Terra - The roadmap is a collection of ideas - where are people's head's going -  
 
collective think - the roadmap are things that can happen legislatively as well  
 
collective think - the roadmap are things that can happen legislatively as well  
 
as more - two roadmaps one for legislative change and one for post legislative  
 
as more - two roadmaps one for legislative change and one for post legislative  
 
change
 
change
6:55pm
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Polar - We don't need to make the distinction of individual verse institution -  
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6:55pm<br>
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* Polar - We don't need to make the distinction of individual verse institution -  
 
reality based change not simply "empower individuals" something more specific
 
reality based change not simply "empower individuals" something more specific
 
If something doesn't represent something that is in a "realty zone" then it  
 
If something doesn't represent something that is in a "realty zone" then it  
 
shouldn't be on the list.
 
shouldn't be on the list.
7pm Aria is breaking up - can you hear me now
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* Iwanka - Where is viability directed?  (Answer:  Why mention world peace and  
One hour into to call
 
Bianca - Where is viability directed?  (Answer:  Why mention world peace and  
 
 
then take our group seriously)
 
then take our group seriously)
Aria - Not talking about what talking about how
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* Aria - Not talking about what talking about how. Ending poverty in the world doesn't fit the criteria so we shouldn't include it.
Ending poverty in the world doesn't fit the criteria so we shouldn't include it.
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* Michael - question about the survey verse having a goal like ending corporate  
Michael - question about the survey verse having a goal like ending corporate  
 
 
persons
 
persons
Aria - The survey is a mid step before the national gathering to collect information
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* Aria - The survey is a mid step before the national gathering to collect information
Cal - What are the steps we are going to do for a goal if we picked one  
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* Cal - What are the steps we are going to do for a goal if we picked one  
 
thing before natgat
 
thing before natgat
Karen - What's she's feeling is missing - her concern - tons of surveys done  
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* Karen - What's she's feeling is missing - her concern - tons of surveys done  
 
asking questions - feels whoever shows up on a call determines the agenda - we  
 
asking questions - feels whoever shows up on a call determines the agenda - we  
 
should go back and see what people thought when as a group and cite it -
 
should go back and see what people thought when as a group and cite it -
7:12pm
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* Aria - Abandon the process and see how we can advise those at natgat could do x  
Aria - Abandon the process and see how we can advise those at natgat could do x  
 
 
y or z thing one option - second option bring the results of a survey with us to  
 
y or z thing one option - second option bring the results of a survey with us to  
 
see where the "umff" is - throwing this out there as possibilities as were  
 
see where the "umff" is - throwing this out there as possibilities as were  
 
things to go
 
things to go
Cal - It a solution not either or - more national input verse clumps of people  
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* Cal - It a solution not either or - more national input verse clumps of people  
 
who show up in places - most people outside Occupy want the movement to focus
 
who show up in places - most people outside Occupy want the movement to focus
Polar - If Karen is right why bother with surveys - we are a working group  
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* Polar - If Karen is right why bother with surveys - we are a working group  
 
associated with Occupy - Occupy is a loosely linked chain with each group having  
 
associated with Occupy - Occupy is a loosely linked chain with each group having  
 
a mission - the work we choose to do is valid - come up with a product to bring  
 
a mission - the work we choose to do is valid - come up with a product to bring  
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we don't turn about 100 million people in this society.  Serious movement  
 
we don't turn about 100 million people in this society.  Serious movement  
 
doesn't identify with pipe dreams.
 
doesn't identify with pipe dreams.
Karen - She thought this was the national strategy group - she thought this  
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* Karen - She thought this was the national strategy group - she thought this  
 
groups purpose was to see what people wanted and bring a proposal to natgat and  
 
groups purpose was to see what people wanted and bring a proposal to natgat and  
 
build a strategic plan - I don't think a survey is the way through it - what is  
 
build a strategic plan - I don't think a survey is the way through it - what is  
 
lacking is the political will - by political I mean individuals not a list serve  
 
lacking is the political will - by political I mean individuals not a list serve  
 
- Interested in bringing a strategic plan to national gathering
 
- Interested in bringing a strategic plan to national gathering
Terra - Believes we have been preparing proposals to bring to the natgat -  
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* Terra - Believes we have been preparing proposals to bring to the natgat -  
 
individual action verse legislative what percent of our effort will be put into each
 
individual action verse legislative what percent of our effort will be put into each
7:26pm
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* Aria - What we should do is take the data we have now and narrow it down to a  
Aria - What we should do is take the data we have now and narrow it down to a  
 
 
number - say 12 and present that to natgat as a means of crowd sourcing - we  
 
number - say 12 and present that to natgat as a means of crowd sourcing - we  
 
want to know what they want -
 
want to know what they want -
Michael - Believes there should be one main focus of the movement and show  
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* Michael - Believes there should be one main focus of the movement and show  
 
how that one thing connects to many things
 
how that one thing connects to many things
Cal - Had a vision on how the movement focused on one thing and achieved that  
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* Cal - Had a vision on how the movement focused on one thing and achieved that  
 
one thing and use that to achieve another thing - wasn't for focusing on one  
 
one thing and use that to achieve another thing - wasn't for focusing on one  
 
thing but now believes the movement should focus on one thing and thinks that a  
 
thing but now believes the movement should focus on one thing and thinks that a  
 
strategy group should make that recommendation at natgat
 
strategy group should make that recommendation at natgat
Polar - One broad objective corporate ownership of the country under that  
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* Polar - One broad objective corporate ownership of the country under that  
 
corporate personhood - media, commons - did start off as Occupy Wall Street not  
 
corporate personhood - media, commons - did start off as Occupy Wall Street not  
 
Occupy End of War - framing our project as one thing such as corporate ownership  
 
Occupy End of War - framing our project as one thing such as corporate ownership  
 
of the country and go from there
 
of the country and go from there
7:35pm
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* Aria - Believes that the people who attend the natgat are the people who are  
Aria - Believes that the people who attend the natgat are the people who are  
 
 
doing the work - if we were to say bring to natgat ending corporate person but  
 
doing the work - if we were to say bring to natgat ending corporate person but  
 
don't bring an income guarantee and a proportional representative
 
don't bring an income guarantee and a proportional representative
Cal - Many things you just said fall into corporate power - most things with the  
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* Cal - Many things you just said fall into corporate power - most things with the  
 
economy - unions - wages
 
economy - unions - wages
Dennis - For years we have a one sided top down class war - they are stopping  
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* Dennis - For years we have a one sided top down class war - they are stopping  
 
everything including environmental stuff - paid off by lobbyists - if we can  
 
everything including environmental stuff - paid off by lobbyists - if we can  
 
centralize it and fit a lot of different issues that show it has to do with the  
 
centralize it and fit a lot of different issues that show it has to do with the  
 
controls of the corporations
 
controls of the corporations
Polar - Like the idea of an umbrella to affect a lot aspects - what is it to be  
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* Polar - Like the idea of an umbrella to affect a lot aspects - what is it to be  
 
a fully realized human being?
 
a fully realized human being?
Michael - Government in the Future by Prof. Chomsky has in it about about true  
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* Michael - Government in the Future by Prof. Chomsky has in it about about true  
 
human action is that which flows from inter impulse - the true end of humanity  
 
human action is that which flows from inter impulse - the true end of humanity  
 
is to inquire and create not be a cog in a machine of production
 
is to inquire and create not be a cog in a machine of production
Terra - likes how the energy is converging on a short list
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* Terra - likes how the energy is converging on a short list
Aria - Basic income guarantee - abolish corporate person - set aside first use  
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* Aria - Basic income guarantee - abolish corporate person - set aside first use  
 
privilege of common land with first use privilege of disenfranchised people
 
privilege of common land with first use privilege of disenfranchised people
Polar - Human Personhood
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* Polar - Human Personhood
7:45pm
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* Karen - Proposed three things - need to shift power - what is power -  
Karen - Proposed three things - need to shift power - what is power -  
 
 
dismantling the corporate system - realize people's own human potential
 
dismantling the corporate system - realize people's own human potential
 
Cal - not imposing a plan on other people - Terra planned a debrief at the end  
 
Cal - not imposing a plan on other people - Terra planned a debrief at the end  
 
of the call
 
of the call
Aria - What and how is very important - what is missing is how are we going to  
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* Aria - What and how is very important - what is missing is how are we going to  
 
get there - proposal the mission of this group to put forth objectives of how  
 
get there - proposal the mission of this group to put forth objectives of how  
 
will Occupy bring about a new world
 
will Occupy bring about a new world
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corporations own the government (8:04pm Media campaign about the irony of human  
 
corporations own the government (8:04pm Media campaign about the irony of human  
 
personhood believing that it can reach people)
 
personhood believing that it can reach people)
Karen - I was proposing not just destructing but human values and creativity and  
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* Karen - I was proposing not just destructing but human values and creativity and  
human law
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natural law
Michael - We can not fail at abolishing corporate persons - we need to continue  
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* Michael - We can not fail at abolishing corporate persons - we need to continue  
 
until we succeed at abolishing corporate persons - we will not be able to do  
 
until we succeed at abolishing corporate persons - we will not be able to do  
 
anything about the environment until we abolish corporate persons - the  
 
anything about the environment until we abolish corporate persons - the  
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need to as long as corporations are people embracing environmental destruction  
 
need to as long as corporations are people embracing environmental destruction  
 
as money making opportunities
 
as money making opportunities
Aria - come up with a short list would be a great mission for this group - I  
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* Aria - come up with a short list would be a great mission for this group - I  
 
hope we can settle that as a mission
 
hope we can settle that as a mission
 
Karen - concur that we need a narrower list - not a survey - merit in exhaustive  
 
Karen - concur that we need a narrower list - not a survey - merit in exhaustive  
 
list on paper - to then narrow
 
list on paper - to then narrow
8:05pm
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* 8:05pm
 
Debrief
 
Debrief
8:30pm
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Home Work:  Go on Ether Pad and share what the issues are - edit and figure it  
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* 8:30pm Home Work:  Go on Ether Pad and share what the issues are - edit and figure it out throughout the week - figure out when the next call is next Monday or the  
out throughout the week - figure out when the next call is next Monday or the  
 
 
Monday after
 
Monday after
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Notetaker: Michael

Latest revision as of 22:02, 20 May 2013

5/20/13 6-8pm Call

What do you want to get out of the meeting?

  • Cal - How are we going to work together as a group? How are we going?
  • Aria - We are moving toward a mission statement - the way we formulate strategy

is to collect information as a means of collecting strategy. Once we get hard objectives then we will evaluate the data to get people thinking about goals and objectives. Direction of the mission then agreement of the objectives.

Can the group be nimble? (Agreement)

  • Individuals verse institutions (Example Abolish all meat farms) How to?
  • Education for people - reaching out to individuals.
  • Karen - Look at people as human beings to make change - confusion of our

process. Would like to give power to the people and not institutions. More concrete goals. World peace good goal but hard to strategize. What are specific things we can strategize.

6:38pm Talking about lingo

  • When answering the questions about what lingo: Not understanding the difference

between achieving world peace and a Constitutional Amendment as they are both "pie in the sky" as expressed by Karen.

  • Terra - We are looking to facilitate legislative actions through education.

Individual action as a category that can be "bubbled on" from the grassroots up.

  • Karen - Does not believe amending the Constitution is enough for change.
  • Chris - Institutions and Individuals - Individuals are a big force as consumers.

6:48pm Deciding what we are going to do next

  • Karen - Wants to empower individuals to affect change - to do things
  • Aria - At the end of this we should have a list of goals for people to take individual action.
  • Karen - Clarifying? Is the purpose of this call to create a new political party?
  • Aria - What does Occupy want?
  • Terra - The roadmap is a collection of ideas - where are people's head's going -

collective think - the roadmap are things that can happen legislatively as well as more - two roadmaps one for legislative change and one for post legislative change

6:55pm

  • Polar - We don't need to make the distinction of individual verse institution -

reality based change not simply "empower individuals" something more specific If something doesn't represent something that is in a "realty zone" then it shouldn't be on the list.

  • Iwanka - Where is viability directed? (Answer: Why mention world peace and

then take our group seriously)

  • Aria - Not talking about what talking about how. Ending poverty in the world doesn't fit the criteria so we shouldn't include it.
  • Michael - question about the survey verse having a goal like ending corporate

persons

  • Aria - The survey is a mid step before the national gathering to collect information
  • Cal - What are the steps we are going to do for a goal if we picked one

thing before natgat

  • Karen - What's she's feeling is missing - her concern - tons of surveys done

asking questions - feels whoever shows up on a call determines the agenda - we should go back and see what people thought when as a group and cite it -

  • Aria - Abandon the process and see how we can advise those at natgat could do x

y or z thing one option - second option bring the results of a survey with us to see where the "umff" is - throwing this out there as possibilities as were things to go

  • Cal - It a solution not either or - more national input verse clumps of people

who show up in places - most people outside Occupy want the movement to focus

  • Polar - If Karen is right why bother with surveys - we are a working group

associated with Occupy - Occupy is a loosely linked chain with each group having a mission - the work we choose to do is valid - come up with a product to bring to natgat that represents the knowledge base and skill set of the people in this group - I think the focus is "Who are we" - The movement accomplishes nothing if we don't turn about 100 million people in this society. Serious movement doesn't identify with pipe dreams.

  • Karen - She thought this was the national strategy group - she thought this

groups purpose was to see what people wanted and bring a proposal to natgat and build a strategic plan - I don't think a survey is the way through it - what is lacking is the political will - by political I mean individuals not a list serve - Interested in bringing a strategic plan to national gathering

  • Terra - Believes we have been preparing proposals to bring to the natgat -

individual action verse legislative what percent of our effort will be put into each

  • Aria - What we should do is take the data we have now and narrow it down to a

number - say 12 and present that to natgat as a means of crowd sourcing - we want to know what they want -

  • Michael - Believes there should be one main focus of the movement and show

how that one thing connects to many things

  • Cal - Had a vision on how the movement focused on one thing and achieved that

one thing and use that to achieve another thing - wasn't for focusing on one thing but now believes the movement should focus on one thing and thinks that a strategy group should make that recommendation at natgat

  • Polar - One broad objective corporate ownership of the country under that

corporate personhood - media, commons - did start off as Occupy Wall Street not Occupy End of War - framing our project as one thing such as corporate ownership of the country and go from there

  • Aria - Believes that the people who attend the natgat are the people who are

doing the work - if we were to say bring to natgat ending corporate person but don't bring an income guarantee and a proportional representative

  • Cal - Many things you just said fall into corporate power - most things with the

economy - unions - wages

  • Dennis - For years we have a one sided top down class war - they are stopping

everything including environmental stuff - paid off by lobbyists - if we can centralize it and fit a lot of different issues that show it has to do with the controls of the corporations

  • Polar - Like the idea of an umbrella to affect a lot aspects - what is it to be

a fully realized human being?

  • Michael - Government in the Future by Prof. Chomsky has in it about about true

human action is that which flows from inter impulse - the true end of humanity is to inquire and create not be a cog in a machine of production

  • Terra - likes how the energy is converging on a short list
  • Aria - Basic income guarantee - abolish corporate person - set aside first use

privilege of common land with first use privilege of disenfranchised people

  • Polar - Human Personhood
  • Karen - Proposed three things - need to shift power - what is power -

dismantling the corporate system - realize people's own human potential Cal - not imposing a plan on other people - Terra planned a debrief at the end of the call

  • Aria - What and how is very important - what is missing is how are we going to

get there - proposal the mission of this group to put forth objectives of how will Occupy bring about a new world Polar - In response to Karen's idea we are back to everything again and I think it is too broad - what started Occupy Wall Street was the financial collapse and disenfranchised everybody but the bankers and nothing has been fixed because the corporations own the government (8:04pm Media campaign about the irony of human personhood believing that it can reach people)

  • Karen - I was proposing not just destructing but human values and creativity and

natural law

  • Michael - We can not fail at abolishing corporate persons - we need to continue

until we succeed at abolishing corporate persons - we will not be able to do anything about the environment until we abolish corporate persons - the environment is truly an inclusive issue and we can not affect the change as we need to as long as corporations are people embracing environmental destruction as money making opportunities

  • Aria - come up with a short list would be a great mission for this group - I

hope we can settle that as a mission Karen - concur that we need a narrower list - not a survey - merit in exhaustive list on paper - to then narrow

  • 8:05pm

Debrief

  • 8:30pm Home Work: Go on Ether Pad and share what the issues are - edit and figure it out throughout the week - figure out when the next call is next Monday or the

Monday after

Notetaker: Michael