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'''This is the main page for Winterization and Fire Safety issues.''' | '''This is the main page for Winterization and Fire Safety issues.''' | ||
'''Announcements''' | |||
[[Urgently-needed Items, approved for Emergency Funding by GA 10/27|Emergency Items 10/28]] | |||
==People== | '''There are 3 primary concerns for winter:''' | ||
*People - keeping us warm (clothing, etc.) | |||
*Shelter - needs to be warm and sturdy (resist snow load, wind, etc.) | |||
*Safety - fire and carbon monoxide, snow removal, preventing slipping on ice, etc. | |||
== People<br/> == | |||
[http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/11/1025212/-Cold-weather-tips-for-protesters Important cold weather practices] | [http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/11/1025212/-Cold-weather-tips-for-protesters Important cold weather practices] | ||
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Information we need: | Information we need: | ||
* How many people in camp need better warm clothing? | *How many people in camp need better warm clothing? | ||
* What do they need? Socks? Undershirts? Pant layers? Shoes? Mittens, hats, etc.? | *What do they need? Socks? Undershirts? Pant layers? Shoes? Mittens, hats, etc.? | ||
Clothing Solutions: | Clothing Solutions: | ||
* Polypropylene layers under regular clothing. Look for items with a NSN number (military issue). Look for wool and thermals underwear too. | *Polypropylene layers under regular clothing. Look for items with a NSN number (military issue). Look for wool and thermals underwear too. | ||
* Waterproof shoes/boots. Wear boots LARGER than your normal size - more room for extra socks, extra space = insulation, ability to move toes and improve circulation. | *Waterproof shoes/boots. Wear boots LARGER than your normal size - more room for extra socks, extra space = insulation, ability to move toes and improve circulation. | ||
* Space blankets hooded and regular all weather blankets NASA TECH wind H2O reflect 90%of body heat, 5x7 hooded: [http://warmers.com/ItemDetails.aspx?itemid=MPISB&pkey=Products%7cOutdoor+Gear%7cSPACE+Brand+Hooded+All-Weather+Blanket&pval=0%7c77%7cMPISB&pIds=Showcase%7cCategoryID%7citemid Examples here; also emergency blankets and bags] | *Space blankets hooded and regular all weather blankets NASA TECH wind H2O reflect 90%of body heat, 5x7 hooded: [http://warmers.com/ItemDetails.aspx?itemid=MPISB&pkey=Products%7cOutdoor+Gear%7cSPACE+Brand+Hooded+All-Weather+Blanket&pval=0%7c77%7cMPISB&pIds=Showcase%7cCategoryID%7citemid Examples here; also emergency blankets and bags] | ||
Keeping warm while sitting or lying down: | Keeping warm while sitting or lying down: | ||
* Layers of corrugated cardboard, or even newspapers. Wrap in plastic to keep it from getting wet and then frozen. | *Layers of corrugated cardboard, or even newspapers. Wrap in plastic to keep it from getting wet and then frozen. | ||
* Foil bubble home insulation. Regular bubblewrap, even. | *Foil bubble home insulation. Regular bubblewrap, even. | ||
* Foam sheets or blocks (styrofoam). | *Foam sheets or blocks (styrofoam). | ||
Additional solutions: | Additional solutions: | ||
* Hot beverages available | *Hot beverages available | ||
* Hot food | *Hot food | ||
* Warming stations .. possibly use the hot manhole covers for a "sauna" room. | *Warming stations .. possibly use the hot manhole covers for a "sauna" room. | ||
* We can also use solar heat gain for daytime comfort. Clear plastic roofs with windbreaking sides make for good comfort on sunny days. | *We can also use solar heat gain for daytime comfort. Clear plastic roofs with windbreaking sides make for good comfort on sunny days. | ||
==Shelter== | == Shelter == | ||
Information we need: | Information we need: | ||
* How many people intend to camp through the winter? | *How many people intend to camp through the winter? | ||
* What ordinances do we need to keep in mind? | *What ordinances do we need to keep in mind? | ||
* What are the costs to build or buy shelters? | *What are the costs to build or buy shelters? | ||
* If we are building, do we have enough people to do that? | *If we are building, do we have enough people to do that? | ||
* What is the process for shelters needing construction? | *What is the process for shelters needing construction? | ||
Concerns: | Concerns: | ||
* Will it hold up in strong winds? | *Will it hold up in strong winds? | ||
* Will it keep water out, both on top/sides and floor? | *Will it keep water out, both on top/sides and floor? | ||
* How do we hold tents down - can't drive stakes very deeply in the ground here; can't drive stakes through the paved areas at all. | *How do we hold tents down - can't drive stakes very deeply in the ground here; can't drive stakes through the paved areas at all. | ||
* City may not allow tents larger than 10x10 without a permit | *City may not allow tents larger than 10x10 without a permit | ||
* Can we provide any kind of safe heat source (don't want open flame)? | *Can we provide any kind of safe heat source (don't want open flame)? | ||
* Fire Department does not want open flame - risk of fire, and is concerned about carbon monoxide poisoning as well. | *Fire Department does not want open flame - risk of fire, and is concerned about carbon monoxide poisoning as well. | ||
Structure Solutions: | Structure Solutions: | ||
* Floors made with a layer of hay with plywood or tarps over it. This will allow water to flow under the floor. PROBLEM: Hay is a fire hazard. | *Floors made with a layer of hay with plywood or tarps over it. This will allow water to flow under the floor. PROBLEM: Hay is a fire hazard. | ||
* Floors made with pallets, with plywood over top. Put tents up on these. | *Floors made with pallets, with plywood over top. Put tents up on these. | ||
* Large military issue tents - can be used for kitchen, other working groups, group sleeping (need to provide separate sleeping areas based on gender). Could put small tents inside larger tents. Look for NSN number for good, 4-season tents | *Large military issue tents - can be used for kitchen, other working groups, group sleeping (need to provide separate sleeping areas based on gender). Could put small tents inside larger tents. Look for NSN number for good, 4-season tents | ||
* Cots - get people off the ground while sleeping. What about hammocks? | *Cots - get people off the ground while sleeping. What about hammocks? | ||
* Shelters can be weighted down with sandbags, buckets filled with concrete, containers filled with water. | *Shelters can be weighted down with sandbags, buckets filled with concrete, containers filled with water. | ||
* Kitchen tent needs to be fully enclosed - not just warmth but to help keep rodents out. | *Kitchen tent needs to be fully enclosed - not just warmth but to help keep rodents out. | ||
* Little well insulated sleeping pods .. with wheels .. tiny house on wheels .. not a "structure" but a sleeping-barrow. example: [[http://karmacarpentry.com/WoodsyWagon.png]] | *Little well insulated sleeping pods .. with wheels .. tiny house on wheels .. not a "structure" but a sleeping-barrow. example: [[http://karmacarpentry.com/WoodsyWagon.png]] | ||
* Inflatable structures... custom made or purchased .. dead air space can provide insulation .. flexible, not rigid structures, may avoid troubles with authorities, can be combined with other ideas, such as wheeled platforms. | *Inflatable structures... custom made or purchased .. dead air space can provide insulation .. flexible, not rigid structures, may avoid troubles with authorities, can be combined with other ideas, such as wheeled platforms. | ||
Heat and Fire Solutions | Heat and Fire Solutions | ||
* DO NOT let trash build up! Especially paper, cardboard (i.e. signs), fabric. | *DO NOT let trash build up! Especially paper, cardboard (i.e. signs), fabric. | ||
* NO SMOKING NEAR COMBUSTIBLES. | *NO SMOKING NEAR COMBUSTIBLES. | ||
* Heat: "catalytic propane heaters" do NOT have open flames and provide heat. I think the fire department warned against open flames. Well catalytic may be our answer. | *Heat: "catalytic propane heaters" do NOT have open flames and provide heat. I think the fire department warned against open flames. Well catalytic may be our answer. | ||
* Carbon monoxide detectors are cheap and will protect against CO poisoning. This will satisfy the fire department, and will prevent any of us from dying, both of which are good. | *Carbon monoxide detectors are cheap and will protect against CO poisoning. This will satisfy the fire department, and will prevent any of us from dying, both of which are good. | ||
==Safety== | == Safety == | ||
* Where will all the snow go? | *Where will all the snow go? | ||
* Removing snow from gravel path could be special challenge; not so easy to shovel. | *Removing snow from gravel path could be special challenge; not so easy to shovel. | ||
* Paths made of pallets and plywood will probably be slippery. What can we use instead of wooden surfaces? | *Paths made of pallets and plywood will probably be slippery. What can we use instead of wooden surfaces? | ||
==Resources== | == Resources == | ||
'''Please update this with URLs as appropriate''' | '''Please update this with URLs as appropriate''' | ||
* Government surplus - auction sites. Use our funds to acquire lots of tents this way. | *Government surplus - auction sites. Use our funds to acquire lots of tents this way. | ||
* Donations - ask for items with NSN numbers | *Donations - ask for items with NSN numbers | ||
* Hilton's Tent City? Need to visit in person to see what they have:[http://www.hiltonstentcity.com/store.htm http://www.hiltonstentcity.com/store.htm] | *Hilton's Tent City? Need to visit in person to see what they have:[http://www.hiltonstentcity.com/store.htm http://www.hiltonstentcity.com/store.htm] | ||
== Meeting Minutes == | == Meeting Minutes == | ||
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*[https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=gmail&attid=0.1&thid=1334918516d64f77&mt=application/msword&url=https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui%3D2%26ik%3D5aeeba4bf1%26view%3Datt%26th%3D1334918516d64f77%26attid%3D0.1%26disp%3Dsafe%26realattid%3Df_guarp5wg0%26zw&sig=AHIEtbS7KFlqzx14oPuuh_b1nex6ZPziww&pli=1 Oct 27] | *[https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=gmail&attid=0.1&thid=1334918516d64f77&mt=application/msword&url=https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui%3D2%26ik%3D5aeeba4bf1%26view%3Datt%26th%3D1334918516d64f77%26attid%3D0.1%26disp%3Dsafe%26realattid%3Df_guarp5wg0%26zw&sig=AHIEtbS7KFlqzx14oPuuh_b1nex6ZPziww&pli=1 Oct 27] | ||
==Further Links & Ideas== | == Further Links & Ideas == | ||
*Simple idea: http://archrecord.construction.com/news/daily/archives/2010/100511shigeru_ban_shelters/slide.asp?slide=5 | *Simple idea: [http://archrecord.construction.com/news/daily/archives/2010/100511shigeru_ban_shelters/slide.asp?slide=5 http://archrecord.construction.com/news/daily/archives/2010/100511shigeru_ban_shelters/slide.asp?slide=5] | ||
*Hoop House: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glp4LgOWtCo | *Hoop House: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glp4LgOWtCo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glp4LgOWtCo] | ||
*Mobile Tent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH7V3f7tbko | *Mobile Tent: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH7V3f7tbko%7C+%7Camp%7C+%7Cfeature=share http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH7V3f7tbko%7C+%7Camp%7C+%7Cfeature=share] | ||
*Bike pullable expanding shelter: http://Bike%20pullable%20expanding%20shelter | *Bike pullable expanding shelter: [http://Bike%20pullable%20expanding%20shelter http://Bike%20pullable%20expanding%20shelter] | ||
*Collapsible Tent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gb6y6ikiTE | *Collapsible Tent: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gb6y6ikiTE%7C+%7Camp%7C+%7Cfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gb6y6ikiTE%7C+%7Camp%7C+%7Cfeature=related] | ||
*Bike Pullable Hard Tent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAa56PpGoRY | *Bike Pullable Hard Tent [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAa56PpGoRY%7C+%7Camp%7C+%7Cfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAa56PpGoRY%7C+%7Camp%7C+%7Cfeature=related] | ||
*Coffee Cart http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRUZnIKNL54 | *Coffee Cart [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRUZnIKNL54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRUZnIKNL54] | ||
*Bike House/Cart: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyn8J8-q8EM | *Bike House/Cart: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyn8J8-q8EM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyn8J8-q8EM] | ||
*Soup Cart Carafe that can be pulled by a bike: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRUZnIKNL54 | *Soup Cart Carafe that can be pulled by a bike: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRUZnIKNL54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRUZnIKNL54] | ||
*Fireproofing with Alum http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFnKZqHimaU | *Fireproofing with Alum [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFnKZqHimaU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFnKZqHimaU] | ||
*Hydroponic Tent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yra0g5uOXhQ | *Hydroponic Tent [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yra0g5uOXhQ%7C+%7Camp%7C+%7Cfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yra0g5uOXhQ%7C+%7Camp%7C+%7Cfeature=related] | ||
*City Food http://www.growmycitygreen.com/ | *City Food [http://www.growmycitygreen.com/ http://www.growmycitygreen.com/] | ||
*Small scale prototype for Large Aramid Resin Embedded Mesh Umbrellas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDqCG2bUFIQ | *Small scale prototype for Large Aramid Resin Embedded Mesh Umbrellas [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDqCG2bUFIQ%7C+%7Camp%7C+%7Cfeature=relmfu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDqCG2bUFIQ%7C+%7Camp%7C+%7Cfeature=relmfu] | ||
*Cheap Solar: [http://www.harborfreight.com/45-watt-solar-panel-kit-90599.html?utm_medium=cse | *Cheap Solar: [http://www.harborfreight.com/45-watt-solar-panel-kit-90599.html?utm_medium=cse%7C+%7Camp%7C+%7Cutm_source=googlebase%7C+%7Camp%7C+%7Chft_adv=40010%7C+%7Camp%7C+%7Cmr:trackingCode=66720F9E-782A-E011-B31E-001B2163195C%7C+%7Camp%7C+%7Cmr:referralID=NA At Harbor Freight] | ||
*Greenhouse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ODRUvok0XE | *Greenhouse: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ODRUvok0XE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ODRUvok0XE] | ||
*Thermal Mass Green House http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Br6QCS5VGA | *Thermal Mass Green House [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Br6QCS5VGA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Br6QCS5VGA] | ||
*PolyCarbonate Sheet [http://www.gemplers.com/product/171483-6X12/Triple-Wall-8mm-Clear?sku=171483-6X12 | *PolyCarbonate Sheet [http://www.gemplers.com/product/171483-6X12/Triple-Wall-8mm-Clear?sku=171483-6X12%7C+%7Camp%7C+%7Csrc=25SEFGL%7C+%7Camp%7C+%7Cci_src=14110944%7C+%7Camp%7C+%7Cci_sku=171483 Source] | ||
*Embedded Aramind Rope With Epoxy to make trusses. [http://www.unicahome.com/p3133/droog-design/cappellini-knotted-chair-by-marcel-wanders.html Source] | *Embedded Aramind Rope With Epoxy to make trusses. [http://www.unicahome.com/p3133/droog-design/cappellini-knotted-chair-by-marcel-wanders.html Source] | ||
*Stronger than steel rope: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDJ3QjvRZT0 | *Stronger than steel rope: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDJ3QjvRZT0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDJ3QjvRZT0] | ||
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''Based on: [http://occupyboston.wikispaces.com/Winterization Winterization at wikispaces]'' | ''Based on: [http://occupyboston.wikispaces.com/Winterization Winterization at wikispaces]'' | ||
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Prices/links (sorry don't know where to put this): | Prices/links (sorry don't know where to put this): | ||
rddusa.com | rddusa.com GP tent 16x32' = $980 | ||
GP tent 16x32' = $980 | |||
Armytents.com | Armytents.com GP 16x32 = 795 | ||
GP 16x32 = 795 | |||
(have more places to check prices up and will put hose up soon if they are better) | (have more places to check prices up and will put hose up soon if they are better) | ||
hqcompany.com | hqcompany.com Boots = 30 | ||
Boots = 30 | |||
gr8gear.com | gr8gear.com Boots = 20 | ||
Boots = 20 | |||
Amazon.com | Amazon.com Poly pro bottom = 17+ pp top = 17+ Mil Sleep system= 108+ | ||
Poly pro bottom = 17+ | |||
pp top = 17+ | |||
Mil Sleep system= 108+ | |||
majorsurplus.com | majorsurplus.com mummy bag= 40 bivy cover= 60 thermal t+b= 22 tent 17' 10 person= 500 18x32= 800 | ||
mummy bag= 40 | |||
bivy cover= 60 | |||
thermal t+b= 22 | |||
tent 17' 10 person= 500 | |||
18x32= 800 | |||
ebay | ebay Mil sleep system= 80+ | ||
Mil sleep system= 80+ | |||
campmore.com | campmore.com Eureka wild basin 0 degree bag= 60 | ||
Eureka wild basin 0 degree bag= 60 | |||
Military iso mat (sleeping mat)= 10 (available at many places at that price) | Military iso mat (sleeping mat)= 10 (available at many places at that price) | ||
I put similar items at various prices because we may not be able to get the full amount we need from one site. I'll look into the links John posted tomorrow. | I put similar items at various prices because we may not be able to get the full amount we need from one site. I'll look into the links John posted tomorrow. | ||
Revision as of 10:30, 28 October 2011
This is the main page for Winterization and Fire Safety issues.
Announcements
There are 3 primary concerns for winter:
- People - keeping us warm (clothing, etc.)
- Shelter - needs to be warm and sturdy (resist snow load, wind, etc.)
- Safety - fire and carbon monoxide, snow removal, preventing slipping on ice, etc.
People
Important cold weather practices
Information we need:
- How many people in camp need better warm clothing?
- What do they need? Socks? Undershirts? Pant layers? Shoes? Mittens, hats, etc.?
Clothing Solutions:
- Polypropylene layers under regular clothing. Look for items with a NSN number (military issue). Look for wool and thermals underwear too.
- Waterproof shoes/boots. Wear boots LARGER than your normal size - more room for extra socks, extra space = insulation, ability to move toes and improve circulation.
- Space blankets hooded and regular all weather blankets NASA TECH wind H2O reflect 90%of body heat, 5x7 hooded: Examples here; also emergency blankets and bags
Keeping warm while sitting or lying down:
- Layers of corrugated cardboard, or even newspapers. Wrap in plastic to keep it from getting wet and then frozen.
- Foil bubble home insulation. Regular bubblewrap, even.
- Foam sheets or blocks (styrofoam).
Additional solutions:
- Hot beverages available
- Hot food
- Warming stations .. possibly use the hot manhole covers for a "sauna" room.
- We can also use solar heat gain for daytime comfort. Clear plastic roofs with windbreaking sides make for good comfort on sunny days.
Shelter
Information we need:
- How many people intend to camp through the winter?
- What ordinances do we need to keep in mind?
- What are the costs to build or buy shelters?
- If we are building, do we have enough people to do that?
- What is the process for shelters needing construction?
Concerns:
- Will it hold up in strong winds?
- Will it keep water out, both on top/sides and floor?
- How do we hold tents down - can't drive stakes very deeply in the ground here; can't drive stakes through the paved areas at all.
- City may not allow tents larger than 10x10 without a permit
- Can we provide any kind of safe heat source (don't want open flame)?
- Fire Department does not want open flame - risk of fire, and is concerned about carbon monoxide poisoning as well.
Structure Solutions:
- Floors made with a layer of hay with plywood or tarps over it. This will allow water to flow under the floor. PROBLEM: Hay is a fire hazard.
- Floors made with pallets, with plywood over top. Put tents up on these.
- Large military issue tents - can be used for kitchen, other working groups, group sleeping (need to provide separate sleeping areas based on gender). Could put small tents inside larger tents. Look for NSN number for good, 4-season tents
- Cots - get people off the ground while sleeping. What about hammocks?
- Shelters can be weighted down with sandbags, buckets filled with concrete, containers filled with water.
- Kitchen tent needs to be fully enclosed - not just warmth but to help keep rodents out.
- Little well insulated sleeping pods .. with wheels .. tiny house on wheels .. not a "structure" but a sleeping-barrow. example: [[1]]
- Inflatable structures... custom made or purchased .. dead air space can provide insulation .. flexible, not rigid structures, may avoid troubles with authorities, can be combined with other ideas, such as wheeled platforms.
![[1]](http://karmacarpentry.com/WoodsyWagon.png){kind=link}
Heat and Fire Solutions
- DO NOT let trash build up! Especially paper, cardboard (i.e. signs), fabric.
- NO SMOKING NEAR COMBUSTIBLES.
- Heat: "catalytic propane heaters" do NOT have open flames and provide heat. I think the fire department warned against open flames. Well catalytic may be our answer.
- Carbon monoxide detectors are cheap and will protect against CO poisoning. This will satisfy the fire department, and will prevent any of us from dying, both of which are good.
Safety
- Where will all the snow go?
- Removing snow from gravel path could be special challenge; not so easy to shovel.
- Paths made of pallets and plywood will probably be slippery. What can we use instead of wooden surfaces?
Resources
Please update this with URLs as appropriate
- Government surplus - auction sites. Use our funds to acquire lots of tents this way.
- Donations - ask for items with NSN numbers
- Hilton's Tent City? Need to visit in person to see what they have:http://www.hiltonstentcity.com/store.htm
Meeting Minutes
Further Links & Ideas
- Simple idea: http://archrecord.construction.com/news/daily/archives/2010/100511shigeru_ban_shelters/slide.asp?slide=5
- Hoop House: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glp4LgOWtCo
- Mobile Tent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH7V3f7tbko%7C+%7Camp%7C+%7Cfeature=share
- Bike pullable expanding shelter: http://Bike%20pullable%20expanding%20shelter
- Collapsible Tent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gb6y6ikiTE%7C+%7Camp%7C+%7Cfeature=related
- Bike Pullable Hard Tent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAa56PpGoRY%7C+%7Camp%7C+%7Cfeature=related
- Coffee Cart http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRUZnIKNL54
- Bike House/Cart: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyn8J8-q8EM
- Soup Cart Carafe that can be pulled by a bike: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRUZnIKNL54
- Fireproofing with Alum http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFnKZqHimaU
- Hydroponic Tent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yra0g5uOXhQ%7C+%7Camp%7C+%7Cfeature=related
- City Food http://www.growmycitygreen.com/
- Small scale prototype for Large Aramid Resin Embedded Mesh Umbrellas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDqCG2bUFIQ%7C+%7Camp%7C+%7Cfeature=relmfu
- Cheap Solar: At Harbor Freight
- Greenhouse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ODRUvok0XE
- Thermal Mass Green House http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Br6QCS5VGA
- PolyCarbonate Sheet Source
- Embedded Aramind Rope With Epoxy to make trusses. Source
- Stronger than steel rope: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDJ3QjvRZT0
Based on: Winterization at wikispaces
Prices/links (sorry don't know where to put this):
rddusa.com GP tent 16x32' = $980
Armytents.com GP 16x32 = 795
(have more places to check prices up and will put hose up soon if they are better)
hqcompany.com Boots = 30
gr8gear.com Boots = 20
Amazon.com Poly pro bottom = 17+ pp top = 17+ Mil Sleep system= 108+
majorsurplus.com mummy bag= 40 bivy cover= 60 thermal t+b= 22 tent 17' 10 person= 500 18x32= 800
ebay Mil sleep system= 80+
campmore.com Eureka wild basin 0 degree bag= 60
Military iso mat (sleeping mat)= 10 (available at many places at that price)
I put similar items at various prices because we may not be able to get the full amount we need from one site. I'll look into the links John posted tomorrow.