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| == Oct 30 2011 ==
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| 14:32:04 ross: we're doing introductions at the meeting...now
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| 14:32:15 kizmut: The moderator set the rule to only allow people involved in that part of the agenda to speak, but someone -m the room.
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| 14:32:23 seekr: WEll, maybe it's best to hold meetings in private rooms where people aren't allowed to participate or vote unless they are known - and can be assured to know what's going on.
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| 14:32:27 kizmut: ...and it wasn't yman who did it.
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| 14:33:03 farmerbob: ross: at e5?
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| 14:33:05 seekr: Well, it may have been atom who gave voice to KeKe and myself - I'd have to check my log file.
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| 14:33:19 kizmut: The wule was just that seekr. yman created the rule and it made sense, but someone -m the room.
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| 14:33:22 seekr: As for the others you referred to, I can't say.
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| 14:33:24 kizmut: *rule
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| 14:33:36 ross: Ross, grainne, brandon, stephen, ravi, martin,
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| 14:33:45 ross: farmerbob: yes we are at e5
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| 14:34:04 farmerbob: ross: should be there. but would be coughing all over everybody
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| 14:34:13 kizmut: seekr- We must stop. The OBIT meeting has assembled.
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| 14:34:30 ross: Mike K...farmerbob consider yourself here!
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| 14:34:32 seekr: kizmut, Yes. That's why I've grown quiet. :)
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| 14:34:55 seekr: kizmut, But thanks much for patiently explaining things to me!
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| 14:34:58 lovecrime|netbook: it's all intros right now
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| 14:35:12 kizmut: certainly
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| 14:35:34 ross: Mike K says he wants to act as a liason between all the other tech groups in the occupy movement.
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| 14:35:58 kizmut: Hoe many are there?
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| 14:36:01 kizmut: *How
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| 14:36:04 lovecrime|netbook: ~13
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| 14:36:10 kizmut: wow
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| 14:36:41 ross: dana teaches at mass art in a tech area of the school.
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| 14:37:18 ross: dana...puts power utilization on the agenda.
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| 14:37:47 ross: noah, working with facilitation and ideas, and to work in the future on the wiki. (which he puts on the agenda.
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| 14:37:50 ross: )
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| 14:39:26 ross: stewart has spent much time working on tech...hasn't really figured out where he fits with the tech team yet.
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| 14:39:57 ross: jarod lovecrime|netbook wants an occupyboston email...into everything and not great at anything.
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| 14:40:37 ross: stephan is hanging out visiting brandon.
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| 14:41:00 ross: Agenda:
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| 14:41:09 ross: 1. Power
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| 14:41:15 ross: 2. Wiki
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| 14:41:23 ross: 3. Process
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| 14:41:33 ross: 4. Cloudflare
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| 14:41:58 ross: 5. Livestream
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| 14:42:53 ross: 6. Working group web developent
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| 14:43:23 smant: ross, I got my phone hooked up to the livestream apparently, I can livestream marches/events where livestreaming off a phone would be of use. I wouldn't mind testing it out at some point. Don't know if/how that helps you :-P
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| 14:44:00 ross: smant: great!
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| 14:44:54 smant: The wiki on the subject is clearly for iOS though, and some instructions didn't seem to apply to Android. I'm not a iClown :(
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| 14:45:50 ross: Ideas wants to have some way to have people add comments to the wiki where they do not need to register or login... $inputBox is one extension.
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| 14:46:09 ross: The easiest way for people to just add ideas would be something like input box.
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| 14:46:19 brandon: mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:InputBox
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| 14:47:13 ross: wants to have a way to communicate with someone who can install a module.
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| 14:48:53 ross: Wants to create a set of tags to do research with them.
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| 14:49:46 ross: Want people to tag their own documents...thinking about a gamified way to connect the tigs.
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| 14:50:16 ross: Wants people to be able to offer input on the ways tags are intertwined and connected.
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| 14:51:02 ross: Would like to have the input box be on the frontpage and the user input would be added to the pages with those tags.
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| 14:52:56 ross: Ravi: sounds like the problem is that people want to become editors ... just add a comment on the site...but comments create significant problems.
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| 14:54:24 ross: what if instead of changing the wiki...we just add a link to the webpage to comment on a blog.
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| 14:54:37 ross: brandon: says it would be trivial to set this up on the wiki.
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| 14:55:43 farmerbob: so we want people to contribute to the wiki without registering? or is there some other distinction i'm missing
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| 14:55:46 farmerbob: ?
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| 14:56:22 ross: farmerbob: that's the idea...but not to edit pages.
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| 14:56:44 farmerbob: disqus?
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| 14:56:53 brandon: disqus isn't a bad idea
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| 14:57:14 ross: now we're suggesting that instead of the content being stored on the wiki it would be better faster to do a link out to the webpage.
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| 14:59:36 ross: so we will create a development environment on the wiki.
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| 15:00:04 lovecrime|netbook: disqus is an interesting idea
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| 15:00:12 ross: noah wants to experiment with different ideas.
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| 15:00:16 lovecrime|netbook: who owns the tech for disqus?
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| 15:00:17 kizmut: The wiki is also used for posting proposals for example the GA.
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| 15:01:21 ross: farmerbob: we're bringing up discus I didn't know it was a platform.
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| 15:01:42 alwillis: You probably want Intense Debate instead of Disqus: http://intensedebate.com/
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| 15:02:43 farmerbob: i don't know. i threw that out there, but i don't really know what the application is...
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| 15:02:45 lovecrime|netbook: concern that disqus is proprietary
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| 15:02:50 ross: noah wants this to be integrated with the wiki.
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| 15:04:21 brandon: medaiwiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenID
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| 15:04:24 ross: suggestion to implement openID on the media wiki.
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| 15:04:50 farmerbob: can we narrow the focus here a bit? what's the desired functionality? or are these unrelated features?
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| 15:05:21 ross: openID was a suggestion to make login easier.
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| 15:06:33 farmerbob: we went from comment intake to implementing openid...(for what it's worth, my experience hasn't indicated that many people actually *use* openid when you offer it)
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| 15:07:08 ross: noah will link to the blog post.
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| 15:07:26 ross: Action:
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| 15:07:43 ross: 2. Development environment of wiki.
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| 15:08:08 lovecrime|netbook: farmerbob: check pm
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| 15:08:15 ross: 3. Add openid, inputbox, and look into forms .
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| 15:10:34 farmerbob: is there an option in mediawiki to just install all modules that exist?
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| 15:11:13 brandon: farmerbob: :D
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| 15:13:56 brandon: Talking about Process/Cloudflare now
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| 15:14:19* farmerbob raises hand.
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| 15:15:47 farmerbob: 1) *all* (in|out)bound web traffic (to|from) *.occupyboston.org is flowing through cloudflare.com
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| 15:16:21 farmerbob: 2) dns records for *.occupyboston.org are pointing to occupyboston.org (tightly related to #1)
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| 15:16:23@marxistvegan: Ross is talking about the cloudflare and explaining what cloudflare does
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| 15:17:10 farmerbob: 3) i didn't see a single mention of this on the list, where we were all given the sense that we needed to work toward being more self-sufficient and secure in providing infrastructure for OB, etc.
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| 15:18:19 farmerbob: 4) this amounts to voluntarily putting a third party in the middle of all our web traffic. and it seems to have been done unilaterally.
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| 15:18:25 brandon: Ross says finance wants a secure subdomain for sensitive documents and that traffic would also pass through these servers
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| 15:19:04 farmerbob: (#2, the second occupyboston.org should say cloudflare.com)
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| 15:20:38 ross: g|mobile: says there are two things. MF/PL was an active decision about security, and the issue of not having a chance to decide upon the process.
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| 15:21:02 ross: brandon: says there was no consensus about the decision.
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| 15:21:51 farmerbob: i didn't even see any *discussion* much less *consensus*
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| 15:29:50 ross: sorry farmerbob we're trying to develop a process now.
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| 15:30:47 ross: what criteria for individual action.
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| 15:31:28 ross: Anything Involving information security must be a consensus decision.
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| 15:39:37 ross: talking about a three level process...Large decisions such as DNS, Mid-level changes need an email list consensus, and individual actions that can be made without approval.
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| 15:40:52 ross: <ross> talking about a three level process...Large decisions such as DNS,
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| 15:40:53 ross: Mid-level changes need an email list consensus, and individual actions
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| 15:40:53 ross: that can be made without approval. [15:39]
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| 15:40:53 ross:
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| 15:41:38 ross: if you are modifying the route of traffic, you must have 8 person in person consensus.
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| 15:42:49 ross: for a mid-level decision you should have 8 person consensus on the email list. if someone suggests that a mid-level decision is actually a big decision it must be treated as such.
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| 15:56:45 ndmc: Major Decision Process (This is a living Document) In the interest of both transparency and inclusion, major decisions about our online resources (such as DNS routing, hosting, and SSL implementation) must be decided through consensus in an in-person working group meeting with at least 8 people. Less important decisions that do not affect routing or data security must be supported by 8 OBIT WG members on the email list or the IRC.
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| 15:57:18 ndmc: above proposal was consenesd on by OBIT WG 10/30/11
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| 16:00:14 farmerbob: is there to be any discussion of this specific matter, the cloudflame situation?
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| 16:00:26 brandon: farmerbob: we're talking about it right now
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| 16:01:22 ross: ravi wants to table the discussion...stephen is arguing that cloudflare sends us back to where we started with wordpress.org
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| 16:01:56 farmerbob: table the discussion? until when?
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| 16:02:10 ross: whenever it fits ravi's schedule better.
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| 16:02:28 farmerbob: it's *worse* than wordpress.org, because it's all the subdomains...
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| 16:03:04 farmerbob: frankly, this is a more pressing matter than the question of putting an input box on the wiki, yet we had time for that...
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| 16:05:09 ross: it was because noah had to leave early.
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| 16:06:01 farmerbob: understood. but this seems to be a high priority issue, especially considering the man-hours contributed in switching stuff from wordpress.com and google groups only to have *all* the traffic routed through a third-party
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| 16:07:21 ross: I agree...
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| 16:24:20 ross: okay we just voted on asking gregg to point the ns records to mayfirst.org.
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| 16:24:40 ross: reached consensus
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| 16:25:36 ross: dana is telling us where we are with the pedal units. There are three on the ground at camp right now. The inverters and one of the batteries got stolen, and so they sat not working for a few days.
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| 16:26:06 ross: Decided that some of the problems about power on camp are not technical but social problems.
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| 16:26:16 kizmut: I am impressed that someone got away with a battery.
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| 16:26:26 ross: lol
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| 16:26:36 kizmut: Is the outlet on the building still dead?
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| 16:26:55 kizmut: I believe the coffee pot blew the breaker.
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| 16:27:07 ross: people are concerned that they need cell phones for marches, specifically for direct action.
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| 16:27:25 ross: the kitchen also wants a good method for lighting...using 12 volt power.
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| 16:27:36 kizmut: I told Alex to write down his proposal for a family plant.
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| 16:27:47 ross: they have done this with new led technology.
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| 16:28:16 kizmut: I take it he hasn't shared it yet.
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| 16:28:29 ross: want to get pedal power to charge the batteries.
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| 16:28:48 ross: medical tent and food powered.
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| 16:28:54 kizmut: I've seen the LED's. they definitely need more of them.
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| 16:29:02 ross: need to determine who else needs power.
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| 16:29:16 ross: also we need another repeater for the network.
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| 16:30:06 kizmut: Perhaps relocate a repeater for optimal coverage?
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| 16:30:53 ross: another idea is to have a mobile charger.
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| 16:31:24 ross: this also solves the security problem.
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| 16:34:13 kizmut: There's a company that sells a portable solar and VAWT charging station.
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| 16:34:27 kizmut: It is weatherproof.
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| 16:43:12 kizmut: http://envirosponsible.com/Wind_Generators.html
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| 16:43:30 farmerbob: ross: matt and i talked about putting together backpacks to act as mobile charging stations. we were shot down repeatedly.
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| 16:44:14 ross: farmerbob: dana has talked about this as well.
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